Housing crisis

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Originally Posted by Moerdeth

So we are the same I guess. You call me childish I am observing your actions, you said I am incapable of understanding respect, I said "small thinker" I am observing your actions, you say I am not willing to listen but I have read and listened to every one of your words. I am sorry for offending you also!

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I am not Setesh. Please look at usernames before replying.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Just gitgud at placard extreme and lottery later at Endwalker, also wishing you all to get the house plot wherever the location is :)

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"gitgud at placard extreme" doesn't do much when in the end it's RNG that dictates the winner. People are bad at "placard extreme" have won simply because they showed up and clicked at the right moment.

It's both sad and irritating that this game has such a mess of a system for acquiring housing when other MMOs have shown it does not need to be this way. Their housing generates just as much discussion except that discussion is players sharing all the creative things they've done with their housing instead of focusing around whether or not they can even get a house.

The wards were a good base concept implemented badly. The common area for housing is a great idea for player socialization. Spreading out all the houses between 192 common areas per world (soon to become 240 common areas in 6.1) is not. What SE should have done was instanced the housing plots while leaving common areas in the ward uninstanced. Then players would be encountering each other as they go to and from their houses. As much as players trash apartments as housing, I see more players coming and going from the apartment building where I have the apartments for my alts in a week than I've seen passing by my main's house in 2 years. It happens because it's a common area acting as a portal to the instanced housing.

It's pretty sad that I can sit in the yard of my house, do a player search and see all of 60-80 other players listed as being in the same housing district - and knowing that those 60-80 players are spread between 48 different zones so at most there might be one or two others in my own ward (and likely on the far side where they won't see me and I won't see them). I don't live in a neighborhood, I live in a ghost town. It might be a more colorful ghost town in better repair than typical but it's just as devoid of life.

Someone call 911, Jojoya's overdosing on their own koolaid once more.

The only housing crisis is the complete dumpster fire of housing acquisition. I'm tired of hearing how awesome housing is with having absolutely zero chance of ever obtaining one. This having to click a placard for hours garbage hoping you click at the exact right moment to beat out the other people fighting for the same plot is just that...garbage. I love this game to death, it's my home now, but the housing system is truly awful. Can't even get an apartment on my server...so everything in the game remotely related to owning a house might as well not exist, even training my chocobo or changing its color.

For all it's faults, ESO's base-game housing system is fantastic and should be used as a model for other games. I owned dozens of homes in that game and had already fully decorated several of them.

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Originally Posted by Big_Bap

Someone call 911, Jojoya's overdosing on their own koolaid once more.

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How so exactly? Which part do you disagree with?

beginning to think the troll had a good fishing trip...

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

The only housing crisis is the complete dumpster fire of housing acquisition. I'm tired of hearing how awesome housing is with having absolutely zero chance of ever obtaining one. This having to click a placard for hours garbage hoping you click at the exact right moment to beat out the other people fighting for the same plot is just that...garbage. I love this game to death, it's my home now, but the housing system is truly awful. Can't even get an apartment on my server...so everything in the game remotely related to owning a house might as well not exist, even training my chocobo or changing its color.

For all it's faults, ESO's base-game housing system is fantastic and should be used as a model for other games. I owned dozens of homes in that game and had already fully decorated several of them.

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I do agree with you, ESO did housing right. Trophy's from clearing dungeons and raids. I displayed them all. I had 18 houses. That was my end game. FFXIV could learn a thing or two from that housing system.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

I do agree with you, ESO did housing right. Trophy's from clearing dungeons and raids. I displayed them all. I had 18 houses. That was my end game. FFXIV could learn a thing or two from that housing system.

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I'll be honest ffxiv has the worst housing possible. Even dcuo has it better, I can't think of one worse than ffxivs.

Its not that what they did is "bad", its just the system is made to screw people over be it luck etc. That they throw out just for idk how many percent but its lower than 69% of players on each world.

They need to pick a month and only work on housing plots/zones if they are going to keep up with a system that screws over the majority of players wanting in on that content.

The sad thing is they seem to put more work into pvp which most people seem to not care about one way or another. Than housing that has massive amount people caring about it.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

I do agree with you, ESO did housing right. Trophy's from clearing dungeons and raids. I displayed them all. I had 18 houses. That was my end game. FFXIV could learn a thing or two from that housing system.

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I really should post a couple screenshots of those homes. It's the one thing I miss from that game.

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Originally Posted by FusiaRain

I'll be honest ffxiv has the worst housing possible. Even dcuo has it better, I can't think of one worse than ffxivs.

Its not that what they did is "bad", its just the system is made to screw people over be it luck etc. That they throw out just for idk how many percent but its lower than 69% of players on each world.

They need to pick a month and only work on housing plots/zones if they are going to keep up with a system that screws over the majority of players wanting in on that content.

The sad thing is they seem to put more work into pvp which most people seem to not care about one way or another. Than housing that has massive amount people caring about it.

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I think housing has got way more work then PvP. They are always adding stuff to housing all the time, they will have literally done nothing in PvP for over two years. The only things more abandon then PvP are Grand Companies and squadrons(they couldn't add more missions and rewards at least). Also sucks they have intentionally sat on Ishgard housing for almost a year as well. They should be required to add new housing wards every patch till they can say everyone who earned/wants one has got one.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

I think housing has got way more work then PvP. They are always adding stuff to housing all the time, they will have literally done nothing in PvP for over two years. The only things more abandon then PvP are Grand Companies and squadrons(they couldn't add more missions and rewards at least). Also sucks they have intentionally sat on Ishgard housing for almost a year as well. They should be required to add new housing wards every patch till they can say everyone who earned/wants one has got one.

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New items added on isnt really more work thats basically the same as a new armor piece, pvp has many zones, many different victorys etc plus the gear id say it has gotton more.

A new system is a slight amount but I would hardly call that "work" A new item here and there is a bit meha to call it putting work into it.

HUD needs to intervene!

As an owner of 3 houses currently, all I can say is system is working as intended.

While the shortage is the fault of the devs for bowing to pressure from the player base (massive price reduction and allowing private ownership) , it is by no means impossible to get a house.

Moreover, with EW’s lotto system and additional entire housing district it will only become even easier to attempt to get a house.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

As an owner of 3 houses currently, all I can say is system is working as intended.

While the shortage is the fault of the devs for bowing to pressure from the player base (massive price reduction and allowing private ownership) , it is by no means impossible to get a house.

Moreover, with EW’s lotto system and additional entire housing district it will only become even easier to attempt to get a house.

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If one person can get 3 houses with such limited space compared to amount of people on the server is intended.

That is horrible design either that are really stupid development planning.


Regardless their intention doesnt mean a thing when it obviously has kassive proplems they should use their brains and drop that intention for one that works

Thing is, game did not wait for you to put up housing, and for a long time there were a ton of avalaible plots on servers no one wanted.
How can you blame someone for buying multiples plots when absolutly no one wanted it back then ? And on what base should they give up now ?
That's easy to cry nowadays, but the housing situation wasn't like that at all when it came out and during the few first years of it.

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Originally Posted by Izscha

Thing is, game did not wait for you to put up housing, and for a long time there were a ton of avalaible plots on servers no one wanted.
How can you blame someone for buying multiples plots when absolutly no one wanted it back then ? And on what base should they give up now ?
That's easy to cry nowadays, but the housing situation wasn't like that at all when it came out and during the few first years of it.

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Using your logic if someone is being lazy and standing in aoes I can insult them as much as I want since noone else will be honest with them. I love half sided logics

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Originally Posted by FusiaRain

Using your logic if someone is being lazy and standing in aoes I can insult them as much as I want since noone else will be honest with them. I love half sided logics

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You can and that's what i do, dont see where you're going there.

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Originally Posted by Izscha

You can and that's what i do, dont see where you're going there.

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My point is its called common courtesy, and not being a selfish jerk.. Tbh its funny degending it when ppl hate "toxicity"

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Originally Posted by FusiaRain

My point is its called common courtesy, and not being a selfish jerk.. Tbh its funny degending it when ppl hate "toxicity"

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You dont own others anything, you pay your sub like everyone else and in no way you must put up with what others wants.
It's not because today ppl want house that you must give up yours to please strangers you'll never talk to.
There were there when the house was avalaible, they got it and they keep it that's a pretty basic logic.
Must be hard to cry for everything that you dont have and others do because they were there before you.
And i'm not "ppl" i have my own view on stuff, others may dislike insults but i dont have any problem with it whatsoever, you would roast me right there call me all names with everything you could think of i would just laugh and move on, and not reporting you because it seems pointless to me.
Yes ppl like that do exist :D

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Originally Posted by Izscha

You dont own others anything, you pay your sub like everyone else and in no way you must put up with what others wants.
It's not because today ppl want house that you must give up yours to please strangers you'll never talk to.
There were there when the house was avalaible, they got it and they keep it that's a pretty basic logic.
Must be hard to cry for everything that you dont have and others do because they were there before you.
And i'm not "ppl" i have my own view on stuff, others may dislike insults but i dont have any problem with it whatsoever, you would roast me right there call me all names with everything you could think of i would just laugh and move on, and not reporting you because it seems pointless to me.
Yes ppl like that do exist :D

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Its not about that but if they going to be jerk hording it they should lose the report button and desever every attack they get jerks should feel the price of being jerks.

If your going to follow your ways completely you have my respect. Those who dont well you know.

I have a hard time understanding your "hording it" what do that means in this context ?
And to me being able to report someone that isn't botting/ cheating is a joke, and that's why i never use it.

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Originally Posted by Izscha

Thing is, game did not wait for you to put up housing, and for a long time there were a ton of avalaible plots on servers no one wanted.
How can you blame someone for buying multiples plots when absolutly no one wanted it back then ? And on what base should they give up now ?
That's easy to cry nowadays, but the housing situation wasn't like that at all when it came out and during the few first years of it.

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It doesn't matter what things were like 5 years ago. What matters is what things are like now.. The player base has been growing much faster the last few years compared to the initial growth in ARR and HW. It's doubled just in the last 18 months and yet during that time we've only had 3 new wards with subdivisions added.

Most players aren't trying to have houses taken away from those who obtained them fairly under the rules at the time of purchase (though I'll admit there are a vocal few who ask for it). Even if those houses were taken away, it would be a drop in the bucket compared to existing demand. It would not solve anything.

What we want is for SE to fix the system so every player who wants a house can get one as long as they meet the purchase requirements and have the gil. That cannot happen with the current ward system, especially if the FFXIV player base continues to grow as it has in the last 3 years. The active player population has doubled in size during that time, and we don't know how many new and returning players are going to add to the numbers once Endwalker launches.

We want the system to serve all the players, not just the few blessed by RNG.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It doesn't matter what things were like 5 years ago. What matters is what things are like now.. The player base has been growing much faster the last few years compared to the initial growth in ARR and HW. It's doubled just in the last 18 months and yet during that time we've only had 3 new wards with subdivisions added.

Most players aren't trying to have houses taken away from those who obtained them fairly under the rules at the time of purchase (though I'll admit there are a vocal few who ask for it). Even if those houses were taken away, it would be a drop in the bucket compared to existing demand. It would not solve anything.

What we want is for SE to fix the system so every player who wants a house can get one as long as they meet the purchase requirements and have the gil. That cannot happen with the current ward system, especially if the FFXIV player base continues to grow as it has in the last 3 years. The active player population has doubled in size during that time, and we don't know how many new and returning players are going to add to the numbers once Endwalker launches.

We want the system to serve all the players, not just the few blessed by RNG.

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I dont disagree with that, at all while i clearly dont care about housing in the first place.
My answer was only to the one i quoted and was aggresive towards someone that just said that they got 3 houses, and i know a ton of ppl that did the same back at when it was possible.
Blame SE all you want, but not the players who played fair and square.

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Originally Posted by Izscha

I dont disagree with that, at all while i clearly dont care about housing in the first place.
My answer was only to the one i quoted and was aggresive towards someone that just said that they got 3 houses, and i know a ton of ppl that did the same back at when it was possible.
Blame SE all you want, but not the players who played fair and square.

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Wasn't being aggressive, just being honest but if your going to white knight their bs "intention in the same post you brag about 3" you deserver some aggression however I wasnt the only aggression was towards devs

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Originally Posted by FusiaRain

My point is its called common courtesy, and not being a selfish jerk.. Tbh its funny degending it when ppl hate "toxicity"

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People with grandfathered homes aren't selfish jerks. They played by the rules at the time and I might add that alts still can't share houses. You can share a house with your friends but not with yourself that's wonderful and still hasn't been fixed. You want to blame someone you blame SE not the user following the rules by enabling multiple purchases and by not allowing users to share and use their own house. And I might add we are allowed to buy houses on different servers as well. That didn't change with the new rules for 6.1. That is within the rules and many of us with alts have taken advantage of that feature. YOU don't have to like it and YOU do not set the standards for morality here in the least.

SE has set a new set of rules which people should and will follow. If those rules change again in the future it's not on the users now following them who should be chastised and belittled for what they are permitted to do.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

People with grandfathered homes aren't selfish jerks.

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Except it is selfish to lay claim to more than your fair share of a highly limited resource. There's no penalty to demolish their excess houses - so by default keeping them is the selfish option. People really want to twist selfish into some hilarious slur against house hoarders and take greater offense to the word than anything else when the very basic behavior on display is, indeed, selfish. Owning a private FC just for yourself is selfish - and I say that as someone who has a private FC and has been trying to get a house for it. If you don't like being called selfish for doing selfish things, there's only one course of option to take: stop doing selfish things. Otherwise you kind of have to learn to live with it because lmao at trying to demand people not be allowed to voice their opinions on matters that actually do impact them. If you don't want people to judge you for your exploitation of the rules, stop doing it. Because yeah, you're selfish. Every word of your post oozes selfish entitlement and it's hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Dewslam

Except it is selfish to lay claim to more than your fair share of a highly limited resource

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According to you. I would say it's selfish to expect to have people give up something they earned fair and square. Not happening and SE has recognized that it's unfair to penalize those people for having more than one and as such has grandfathered them.

Is it wrong to own more than one on different servers too? Should people check with you first to be sure what they do when following the rules is OK? SE had the the option to limit one house per account with the new rules and they chose not to. So you want to demonize them too with your little morality filter?

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

According to you. I would say it's selfish to expect to have people give up something they earned fair and square.

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We can debate whether they earned it fair and square but you're not wrong, it is selfish to expect someone to give up a house so I can have one; and I'll be pretty open about being selfish. I want a house, I want raid gear, minions and mounts - I mash that need button every time something drops. But no one is outright expecting them to give up their houses. Certainly some people want them to. But keeping extra houses they don't need is quite literally the selfish option. The selfless option, of course, being to give the plots up to the community at large and dusting their hands of it. You seem to struggle with the idea that being selfish isn't the same thing as being malicious. You don't have to be acting to deprive others to be selfish, just acting out of self interest rather than communal interest.

Square Enix grandfathered in house ownership in a time when the game's community was far smaller and the housing system in far less of a demand, the changes being made in 6.0 and beyond show that they're displaying far less of a tolerance for people who play the "there are no rules against this..." game and general community response seems to indicate higher approval of that path than if they were to loosen it back up and let a select handful of people selfishly hoard everything. You can cry about people demonizing you or judging you all you want but all I really have to say in response to that is that hey, there are no rules against subjective moral and ethical judgements or opinions. You chose to do something you clearly knew would rankle others, then double down on it when challenged. If you can't handle the idea of people disapproving of the things you do, don't do them.

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Originally Posted by Dewslam

We can debate whether they earned it fair and square but you're not wrong,

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No I'm not thank you for agreeing.

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Originally Posted by Dewslam

You chose to do something you clearly knew would rankle others, then double down on it when challenged. If you can't handle the idea of people disapproving of the things you do, don't do them.

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Can't handle it? Don't presuppose how I feel about comments like yours.

You still haven't answered this question directly

"Is it wrong to own more than one on different servers too? Should people check with you first to be sure what they do when following the rules is OK? SE had the the option to limit one house per account with the new rules and they chose not to."

Maybe you should direct your comments/ethical morality and outrage at SE who has the option to fix the housing problem but to date has chosen not to do so instead of trying to demonize those who simply follow the rules.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

No I'm not thank you for agreeing.



Can't handle it? Don't presuppose how I feel about comments like yours.

You still haven't answered this question directly

"Is it wrong to own more than one on different servers too? Should people check with you first to be sure what they do when following the rules is OK? SE had the the option to limit one house per account with the new rules and they chose not to."

Maybe you should direct your comments/ethical morality at SE who has the option to fix the housing problem but to date has chosen not to do so instead of trying to demonize those who simply follow the rules.

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You know, it's just easier for them to target players because they can attack them directly here, something they can't do about SE in any way.
They can cry about it there, but they know that it will fall in a deaf hear and that the devs do what they want to do, while getting answers from other players here is way easier and they can vent that way.
And you should know that this kind is only good at attacking, and even more say stuff like "yeah it must be like that" while if they were the ones having multiples houses they would not speak about it at all and stay hidden, it's always like that.
Easy to blame when you're the one that has nothing, wont say anything if you're the one that have the stuff.

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Originally Posted by FusiaRain

If one person can get 3 houses with such limited space compared to amount of people on the server is intended.

That is horrible design either that are really stupid development planning.


Regardless their intention doesnt mean a thing when it obviously has kassive proplems they should use their brains and drop that intention for one that works

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The situation as it exists is a textbook example of "Be careful what you wish for".

Originally a Large Plot on Tonberry (where I am) went for between 100,000,000-125,000,000 gil. On Balmug it would go for as much as 312,500,000 gil.
Players complained it was too expensive, so it became very cheap (and easier to buy).
Then players wanted personal housing, so you got a double whammy of more demand and incredibly cheap prices.

The devs did what the players wanted, which they shouldn't have. But they did, and these are the consequences.

https://www.dualshockers.com/static/...singPrices.jpg

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Originally Posted by Dewslam

We can debate whether they earned it fair and square but you're not wrong, it is selfish to expect someone to give up a house so I can have one; and I'll be pretty open about being selfish.

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Nothing wrong with wanting a house, but unfortunately you're on Balmung. As for fair and square, it used to be in the wild west of FFXIV you could buy as many houses as you could afford- another oversight by the devs no doubt. As it so happens I've downsized from 5 houses over my years, giving away to friends (not selling).

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

No I'm not thank you for agreeing.



Can't handle it? Don't presuppose how I feel about comments like yours.

You still haven't answered this question directly

"Is it wrong to own more than one on different servers too? Should people check with you first to be sure what they do when following the rules is OK? SE had the the option to limit one house per account with the new rules and they chose not to."

Maybe you should direct your comments/ethical morality and outrage at SE who has the option to fix the housing problem but to date has chosen not to do so instead of trying to demonize those who simply follow the rules.

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They aren't the one blaming everyone but themselves for their choices.

Why is it that the have's seem to be telling the have nots to stop complaining about something they would like but aren't able to attain to be quiet and stop making your opinion known or requesting change? All we are asking for is a way that everyone can enjoy the content without removing anything from any one of those telling us to be quiet.
Please just let us ask for improvements.
We let everyone keep the houses they own no problem even if you own 3 or 5 homes it doesn't matter to me. I think that an instanced system for individual home owners where they can decorate their own space that you can pick your frontage whether it be waterfront, city, garden, desert,( insert here idea's could be endless for the unique feeling)and take their friends to up to 24 people max for house design comp's, private parties, role play, etc! It opens up crafting, housing items, gathering for items, seed, and gardening, all while saving everyone bag space on furniture items they have been saving in game for when they finally manage to get a home.
Who doesn't want more bag space?
I am not trying to attack anyone who already has a home. Please don't attack me for wanting the same chance to play the way I would like. This also removes the ability for RMT to buy houses and increase the prices like was the case in the past.
This would also add a number of new houses for FC in the housing district as the single players give up their homes during the 45 day away period to continue having common area's, street parties with other FC's, FC housing comp's and take literally nothing from anyone who already owns a plot and wants to keep it.
Is this something you all may think would be agreeable? What is the down side if any?

You can't be mad at those who were grandfathered in. It serves no purpose other than to make them feel bad. Going forward with a limited resource you either have to have a system that is fair for all or increase the resource. In this case it needs to be both. We know they are adding more wards and introducing a lottery system. The lottery system alone tells me the increase in housing with be a drop in the bucket. I have hope with the main story arc coming to a close I hope they have had time to work on the things that are QOL in game. Housing can be a big thing just like glamours are. Many people love decorating homes. So much potential there. I am not overly upset about housing and have played many games that didn't have housing and still enjoyed them for what they were. I really wish the devs would take a look at ESO housing the community that has sprung up around housing and building is truly amazing. People build onto and add so many great things. There are streamers who do nothing but tour the amazing builds and themed contests. My wish is for them to expand on the neighborhood theme by holding events in neighborhoods to attract people to actually live in the neighborhood they have a house in. There is potential in housing.

Edit: Mordeth I don't think instance housing would work here, the reason being they specifically wanted it to be like a neighborhood and it would require more servers and would change the whole concept of housing, that said I think they could add more wards and apartments. It's not wrong to want a house and I understand how you feel. I just feel like it's not as much of a priority for them.

I agree there are so many avenues that housing opens up for other activities to happen.

Thanks Snorky, I gave you a thumbs up, glad that you are presenting some good ideas!

To really make an end run on housing fair, would not be to take away houses from current owners, but to remove all the gil from the game so that nobody has any when the next set of houses drops.

Obviously never gonna happen, but the processes by which people attain gil are going to be curtailed before a lot more houses get added. It's too easy for multi-billionaire players to control the housing market, even with current controls.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

To really make an end run on housing fair, would not be to take away houses from current owners, but to remove all the gil from the game so that nobody has any when the next set of houses drops.

Obviously never gonna happen, but the processes by which people attain gil are going to be curtailed before a lot more houses get added. It's too easy for multi-billionaire players to control the housing market, even with current controls.

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I have several hundreds of millions and i should loose it because housing ? What if i dont give a heck about housing i must loose it because "muh me want house muh"
You need to read what fairness is about because you clearly have no idea what it is.
Each time i read you it's just terrible stuff that comes out of it, dunno if that's the persona you try to have here but damn you're really consistant when it comes to bad ideas.

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Originally Posted by Izscha

I have several hundreds of millions and i should loose it because housing ? What if i dont give a heck about housing i must loose it because "muh me want house muh"
You need to read what fairness is about because you clearly have no idea what it is.
Each time i read you it's just terrible stuff that comes out of it, dunno if that's the persona you try to have here but damn you're really consistant when it comes to bad ideas.

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They took gil away from us already once. Housing tied to gil is bad it promotes rmt, they needed a better system. But that boat has sailed.

As the owner of multiple houses, my solution is simple:

1) Make the island getaway thing include instanced housing.
2) Remove the option to even buy a house for individuals in wards. From here on out, all ward-houses are for FCs
3) Require some sort of minimum activity level via the FC's accumulated points (the currency we use for submarines, etc). Make that work in a way we spend that currency automatically to "pay rent". Nothing insane, but enough that a small house would require 3-4 people actually playing the game regularly. Maybe as many as 10 for a large. (This would require tweaking as to how that currency is generated).
4) Remove demolition timers entirely, as it'd work on the currency instead.
5) If/when that housing currency hits zero, you get the 45 day notice to demolition.
(I don't really have a good answer on how to have individuals grandfathered in pay "rent")

Do that, and I happily give up everything but my FC house.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

They took gil away from us already once. Housing tied to gil is bad it promotes rmt, they needed a better system. But that boat has sailed.

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That boat has indeed sailed. You will no longer be able to RMT easily once EW arrives, with the exception of buying/selling an entire FC itself. Moving from one plot to another uses the same lotto system as a new homeowner. No more swooping in.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

I think they could add more wards and apartments.

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You've been around, so you probably already know this, so more of a reply to people asking "why don't they just add more districts?".
The best way to get more housing wards is to buy stuff on the mogstation. More wards are a money sink for FFXIV as they are a huge cost to put in infrastructure (servers) and maintain them without any profits coming in. It's a zero-gain economically for the game. The last 1/3 of housing districts was paid for entirely by mogstation purchases.

Perhaps ffxiv would be willing to give you back the Gil for your house so you don't lose out? Or you can just keep the house until you decide you would rather move to the instanced housing? Maybe there could be some unique incentive for current single home owners who decide to switch to instanced housing along with all their gil that would represent some form of reborn aspect? Would that be something you would consider by any chance? Also the instanced housing wouldn't require you to stay subbed at least every 45 days and you wouldn't have to worry about losing your housing items ever? What do you guys think?