Serious note -Why so many toxic players lately?

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Jesus...



Something is very messed up with you if you honestly think that Dragonblanco conducted themselves in a toxic manner. There is no arguing about it or discussing why OP was not toxic. If you believe that they were toxic then intelligent discussions are not really your thing.

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Get it right. I don't blame the other player for thinking the OP was being passive agressive by how they phrased their requests. It was an understandable misunderstanding.

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Originally Posted by MrMagic

Get it right. I don't blame the other player for thinking the OP was being passive agressive by how they phrased their requests. It was an understandable misunderstanding.

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Yep. However, I did not acknowledge this event in particular. I largely went by the thread title. More often than not, anyone creating a thread like this saying "why is everyone so dang toxic all of a sudden?!" often has some not so carefully hidden skeletons in their closets, often trying to cover up their own behavior which is similar to what they are accusing others of. It comes to the surface very quickly. I've been around the block more than a few times. I know how this works. lol

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Isn't the OP allowed to have a bad reaction after being ignored? I have kicked and would kick people who are playing bad and refusing to communicate. I am your party member, you treat me as if I don't exist. Okay, then you don't exist as well, begone from the party.

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Just to play advocate;

Ain't anyone else entitled to express how they felt about the OP's tone? Ain't they entitled to point out that two wrongs don't make a right? Why would anyone have to blindly agree with the given OP about something? Can't they disagree, even if it's a bit harsh? Wouldn't it be reasonable to expect when one make blanket statements or comes off with a tone with a chip on their shoulder that folks ain't going to like them?

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yep. However, I did not acknowledge this event in particular. I largely went by the thread title. More often than not, anyone creating a thread like this saying "why is everyone so dang toxic all of a sudden?!" often has some not so carefully hidden skeletons in their closets, often trying to cover up their own behavior which is similar to what they are accusing others of. It comes to the surface very quickly. I've been around the block more than a few times. I know how this works. lol

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Been around that block too many times myself. You can spot them a mile away. For anyone interested, check the post history and you will see a common theme throughout most threads created. You cannot miss it.

I’ve had someone tell me something like that on chat “I don’t care if you don’t speak proper english, just do your job” I was a new player and thought that was very rude. That person harassed me through the whole raid but thanks to the more experienced players they kicked him out of the group on our last boss. It all depends on how you express yourself. Most players are nice and will stick for those being harassed or mistreated.

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Originally Posted by Tux13s

they kicked him out of the group on our last boss.

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I'm sorry you had such an experience. Yet another good use of the kick function: poetic justice.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

Is Dragonblanco the new Titanmen alt? This honestly feels like another bait thread that'll end up in a war between "you don't pay my sub" types and "you should have stop licking paint" types.

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lol this is precisely what i was thinking about.

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

lol this is precisely what i was thinking about.

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Considering they abandoned the thread and haven't been back since I'm a little suspicious myself.

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Originally Posted by MrMagic

Get it right. I don't blame the other player for thinking the OP was being passive agressive by how they phrased their requests. It was an understandable misunderstanding.

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Yes, you don't blame the other player because you empathize with them, because you have probably done a similar thing in the past and might do it again.

"You literally caused someone to be salty", the OP is not their mother and what they said is perfectly fine if the person they were talking to is not suffering from insecurities. And that DNC suffering from insecurities is not the OP's fault yet people here blame them for not taking into account that the person they might be talking to is a complete snowflake.

For all I know I can tell you straight up that you are bad and not even bother with giving you advice on how to play your role unless you ask for it and even kick you if I get a snarky remark from you when you don't know the basics of your class. Happened with a couple of tanks. And here, the OP who is trying to initiate a normal discussion is being labeled as toxic by the same breed of DPS players they encountered in DF. Truly disgusting that you are of a great multitude.

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Originally Posted by Shinxwildflower

Just to play advocate;

Ain't anyone else entitled to express how they felt about the OP's tone? Ain't they entitled to point out that two wrongs don't make a right? Why would anyone have to blindly agree with the given OP about something? Can't they disagree, even if it's a bit harsh?

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I know that the OP is allowed to do a lot more than just being upset that they got ignored. Kick them or leave yourself. Don't waste your time with garbages. Say all you want to say and move on.

Two wrongs make a right in some cases btw. It is wrong to have cancer but at the same, it is wrong to cut open a human body which is what is happening during surgery.

Sure you can disagree all you want and falsely accuse them of being a troll and toxic. People are allowed to be wrong. People are generally wrong about lots of stuff. But no, their actions are not reasonable.

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Wouldn't it be reasonable to expect when one make blanket statements or comes off with a tone with a chip on their shoulder that folks ain't going to like them?

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Reason or "reasonable" is not some shared warped perception of the masses. Reason is created from logical thinking which many people fail to do with consistency. Unless someone has been part of the FFXIV forums for a while they will see that a lot of these responses are not in any way reasonable but when you get to know the community for a while you will understand that this is their understanding of "reasonable" which is baffling to anyone still sound of mind.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Considering they abandoned the thread and haven't been back since I'm a little suspicious myself.

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Do you really expect people to continue wasting their time with the forum after seeing how most people reply? Just imagine for one second that the OP is actually being genuine. What reason do they have to continue reading BS page after page?

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Are two months considered that long ago? It's only time passing, it would still be the same thing if it happened yesterday. There has always been a constant influx of new players you just couldn't notice it.

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Two months is longer than you can keep milk in the fridge, long enough to need another haircut, 4 paychecks, 2 mortgage payments, 2 Overwatch events. Yes, 2 months is considered a long time by lots of people. It would NOT be the same thing if it happened yesterday. Can you seriously consider what someone said they were doing two months ago to be binding to their behavior today? If I said two months ago (more mind you in my case) that I didn't want to eat watermelon and then today said I wanted to , would I have been lying or being facetious about it? If someone says something EVER do they have to stick to it forever regardless of changes in circumstance and information?

In those two months the subscribers to FFXIV have grown by nearly 2 million, compared to the preceding months where it was growing but not nearly at the same exponential rate.. so I would say it has been a notable difference in the recent growth rather than the steady growth from earlier. Enough that someone who plays and visits the forums regularly like myself might notice and factor it into decisions or observations.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Yes, I am when I decide to be, towards to people who deserve excessive vindictive criticism from me. And you are one of those. Though I wouldn't say that vindictive is the right word here. I interact with different people differently, in the way I feel like it.

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Great, you be who are, that's very noble and all, but vindictive is a very appropriate word here. Take a look at the definition and you'll see. You wanted revenge and held on to it for two months for a forum comment. You were then willing to attack and try to "expose" someone who said something unpleasant to you and frame them as lying about something they never claimed to be an absolute value and which was contextual. As the famous disney movie sings: LET IT GO. Stress is bad for you and holding on to hate is poison.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

And btw, people who are following someone else's recommendation for whom to have discussions with and with whom you shouldn't, are not really smart. You worded your sentence in a negative way, am I supposed to feel bad about not getting Krotoan's recommendations? I don't understand why?

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I'm well aware you're unlikely to care what I think about you, I'm just summarizing.
If there was any sort of apology forthcoming it definitely wouldn't be after you decide to hold a grudge like that.


You don't even know me and I'm betting you've done lasting damage to yourself through stress just thinking about me. I'm not worth this, nobody is.

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Originally Posted by Dragonblanco

I've been watching the forums a bit and seeing how dungeon runs have been. It seems like the friendly and sociable FFXIV I knew and love is slowly getting a lot of toxicity in it. It's happened in many different ways, with some being worse than others. The incident leading me to post on this was a more toned down one, but still stupid.

Tonight's issue is I was in a roulette, I saw that our Dancer not using Dance Partner. I asked if they didn't have it at the level we were synced at or if perhaps they forgot to use it? Literally just asking because I couldn't remember and figured it's possible they just completely forgot for one reason or another. I mean, I've seen tanks forget to put on tank stance, scholars forget to bring out their fairy, and all sorts of little things. They didn't respond at all, so I said, "ok, I guess you don't speak English or chose to ignore me." At that point, they exploded as if I had been calling them all sorts of names and telling them how to play, telling me to mind my role.

I mean, ffs...really? Just curious if a lot of you are noticing the same issues?

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I guess you've been living under a rock—this game has a lot of toxicity all over the place.

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Originally Posted by Lunalepsy

I guess you've been living under a rock—this game has a lot of toxicity all over the place.

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I seem to miss all that you run into then. I hardly find... "a lot"

I went to respond to lot of people yesterday but I guess I exceeded a post limit. So I'm going to do a "generic" thing here to address everything at once. I appreciate all of you who have answered the question. Obviously a lot of us are split on our view of communities. Perhaps some are more sensitive than others, maybe it's luck, it could be differences in servers/data centers, etc. Regardless, my aim with this thread wasn't to have people arguing back and forth or to have anyone trolling. Yes, I fell into a couple traps and argued back, which I shouldn't have done either.

On a second note, my example wasn't fully descriptive. I can't post the words used or anything as it's a ToS thing. I dumbed it down to the most basic. A lot of people who told me not to assume did much the same thing, making assumptions of how many times I asked, how long I waited before making the comment about being ignored or they don't speak English, etc. That said, lesson I learned is I need to stop giving examples and just ask questions because otherwise a lot of the trolls and other people here will look at trying to twist things to cause conflict. Which that, in itself, I call a bit of toxicity. A toxic community is one that turns things into arguments, shaming, disrespect, lacks empathy, etc. Why do those things fit into being called toxic? Toxic = very harmful or unpleasant in a pervasive or insidious way. Those behaviors and attitudes are very harmful to community and success in a MMORPG. Games like FFXIV focus on all the opposite aspects, so anything to detract from the game's build and community would be called toxic.

Almost done here....I get it, some of you felt my example had me as slightly toxic. I see that comes from misunderstandings among other things. I mean, everyone has their own level of comfort and sometimes the most innocent thing can be offensive to another. Like in some countries a "thumbs up" means "Ok" but in other countries it means "up yours!" As they say, "different strokes for different folks." However, that argument works both ways. I could have been more patient or not said something, but it takes other people to know some people are either ignorant or may just be trying to be helpful. Someone asking a question or making a suggestion is something to also be patient and understanding on. In fact, the basis of this game is that you can talk and be friendly with each other, you offer support, and so much more.

I'm not going to be commenting or posting further on this thread, but feel free to continue the conversation without me. Last thing I'm going to say is that I hope more of you can try to hear people out and be more understanding. The amount of "it's a troll" or "it's a Titanmen alt!" is also a bit toxic. There are people looking to have legit conversations but people are quick to bully and bash using someone else from the past as an excuse. Evaluate each post separately. Remember, trolls look for conflict. So you only feed them when you start being negative to others. At least, that's how I see it.

I hope y'all have fun! Enjoy the game and try to help others do the same.

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Originally Posted by Lunalepsy

I guess you've been living under a rock—this game has a lot of toxicity all over the place.

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My definition of toxicity must be different than yours then because I don't see it.

Rude folks, sure. Stupid people, sure. Toxic? Nope.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

You don't even know me and I'm betting you've done lasting damage to yourself through stress just thinking about me. I'm not worth this, nobody is.

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No, I haven't. I just remember more stuff and a lot of details. People might think that I am wasting my time remembering excessive details but it helps me build a better understanding of the world in general.

If I get into the philosophical point of view two months are not always considered a lot of time by most people. It really depends on the context.

I am most definitely not holding grudges since I am not emotionally invested with you. You are just one of the curiosities I met when I came into this forum. A curiosity because the perception I was trying to project was very different from what you received so I wanted to know and understand the cause of the distortion. Not everyone needs to be holding grudges to remember past events. Some people are different than you.

Anyway, it is really odd for me when people say that wanting revenge and holding a grudge is a very bad thing to do. At what point does revenge become justice and justice becomes revenge. One of the main differences is that justice is rational, revenge is emotional. But when you are both emotional and rational what is it called or is the general understanding that emotions don't co-exist with logic? In my opinion, justice and revenge are the same thing with different labels which only serves to segregate the slightly different outcomes. Justice - do smth bad on someone bad to establish order into a society, revenge - do smth bad on someone bad to establish order into to your own personal life. But because you can do the latter without exactly resorting to revenge then revenge all of a sudden becomes a bad thing and justice a good thing. Many structures of society are just silly. "Justice can do what revenge does but revenge can't do what justice does" is probably what people think because justice is a slightly more complicated structure that originates from revenge and requires the participation of more people but actually this is not really true in all cases. Regardless of how justice is perceived if you think that revenge is inherently bad or a wrong thing to do then you are indirectly saying that justice is wrong. A lot of people will not go to court if feelings of resentment and hatred were not driving their actions. They want revenge and people just paint it with the fancy word justice and make people associate the good type of revenge with the one which involves society. But if you dare to presume that you know better than society then you are one step away from "receiving justice" for disrupting the established order. This only encourages follower behaviour and as a result, it is common for people to not think with their own heads.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

If I get into the philosophical point of view two months are not always considered a lot of time by most people. It really depends on the context.

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Two months is not a lot of time in a lifetime or say an education, however it is a lot of time to hold on to hurt feelings from a mildly insulting forum post on a video game forum or to hold somebody to a comment made in context of the moment. The idea that you are now trying to say "two months is the same as yesterday" is pretty ridiculous. Two months may be a short time (btw.. about 2 and a HALF months really.. ) in certain perspectives but it is still a sizeable chunk of time and as I cited what happened during those two months specificially, I.E. an exponentially huge growth of the FFXIV playerbase, a lot can happen in 2 months.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

I am most definitely not holding grudges since I am not emotionally invested with you. You are just one of the curiosities I met when I came into this forum. A curiosity because the perception I was trying to project was very different from what you received so I wanted to know and understand the cause of the distortion. Not everyone needs to be holding grudges to remember past events. Some people are different than you.

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Yet you specifically came in here to have a "gotcha" moment. Not to clarify anything. Just "you said this two months ago but you've said you're doing this now". You then proceeded to try and characterize me as "arrogant" for maintaining my original stance and clarifying my perspective as well as my statement of what you were observably doing.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Anyway, it is really odd for me when people say that wanting revenge and holding a grudge is a very bad thing to do. At what point does revenge become justice and justice becomes revenge. One of the main differences is that justice is rational, revenge is emotional. But when you are both emotional and rational what is it called or is the general understanding that emotions don't co-exist with logic? In my opinion, justice and revenge are the same thing with different labels which only serves to segregate the slightly different outcomes. Justice - do smth bad on someone bad to establish order into a society, revenge - do smth bad on someone bad to establish order into to your own personal life. But because you can do the latter without exactly resorting to revenge then revenge all of a sudden becomes a bad thing and justice a good thing. Many structures of society are just silly. "Justice can do what revenge does but revenge can't do what justice does" is probably what people think because justice is a slightly more complicated structure that originates from revenge and requires the participation of more people but actually this is not really true in all cases. Regardless of how justice is perceived if you think that revenge is inherently bad or a wrong thing to do then you are indirectly saying that justice is wrong. A lot of people will not go to court if feelings of resentment and hatred were not driving their actions. They want revenge and people just paint it with the fancy word justice and make people associate the good type of revenge with the one which involves society. But if you dare to presume that you know better than society then you are one step away from "receiving justice" for disrupting the established order. This only encourages follower behaviour and as a result, it is common for people to not think with their own heads.

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Trying to frame someone as a liar over an old forum comment that is irrelevant in current context is not "justice". It's petty revenge and not justified in any way.


This is getting old and is far too much of this thread. I'm done. Enjoy your last word, whatever you choose to post.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Yes, you don't blame the other player because you empathize with them, because you have probably done a similar thing in the past and might do it again.

"You literally caused someone to be salty", the OP is not their mother and what they said is perfectly fine if the person they were talking to is not suffering from insecurities. And that DNC suffering from insecurities is not the OP's fault yet people here blame them for not taking into account that the person they might be talking to is a complete snowflake.

For all I know I can tell you straight up that you are bad and not even bother with giving you advice on how to play your role unless you ask for it and even kick you if I get a snarky remark from you when you don't know the basics of your class. Happened with a couple of tanks. And here, the OP who is trying to initiate a normal discussion is being labeled as toxic by the same breed of DPS players they encountered in DF. Truly disgusting that you are of a great multitude.

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Ha ha no. Speculate all you wish about what I do. I'm allowed to be objective.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

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People have different perceptions of time. Get over it. I wouldn't have even started the discussion if you didn't use caps to push your understanding that two months is a lot of time for me to remember something in the past. No, they are not. Ten years are not. I can also tell why past, present and future are the same things but then I will only get a reply saying "my egg is going to spoil tomorrow"

"Albert Einstein once wrote: People like us who believe in physics know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. Time, in other words, he said, is an illusion."

If you want to get a better understanding of what reality is learn from those who are studying reality. And please stop projecting yourself as a victim of some nonexistent random gotcha moment you think I think I had. Reap what you sow.

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Originally Posted by MrMagic

Ha ha no. Speculate all you wish about what I do. I'm allowed to be objective.

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Yes, you are allowed, yet you refused to be.

Saying that the OP is responsible for causing someone else to be salty with the words she said she used is the same as saying that it is my fault that I am not choosing my words carefully when talking to some arrogant nobody. Yes, it is my fault for breathing as well. If you want to be objective then be objective. Just because you know that someone is going to respond in a certain way does not mean that you should be fine with the way they are responding. People who dislike getting real advice about how to play their role are toxic. Their behavior is detrimental to themselves and those around them. The OP worded the title of the thread in a wrong way because the truth is, these types of players have always been around but since they are new, they didn't know that.

No, I've not seen a change. It's the same as I always see, a greeting, then a goodbye at the end, as in most leveling dungeons. In Praetorium you'll usually get some fun chatter as everyone settles down for another 45 minute rerun of Praetorium the Movie, same to a lesser extent in Castrum. Toxicity is a once in a blue moon encounter for me, has been for the year I've played now.

Yes time could be seen as the one of the earliest forms of something that is socially construct we have collectively created its meaning and importance so yes everyone could have a different view as to what a long time and not. In short yesh it is an illusion but like most illusions it does provide a sense of control and comfort.

That is the same for justice and revenge it is all relative to the person at hand. End of the day if we want to play along with those in our society we either have to play nice with the majority or expect that our views will be seen as not normal to the relative status quo. In short I agree in my view the OP was not toxic but I could see how the general community would view how they phrased it was. So OP has a choice to either conform or just be seen as toxic by the community at large. I prefer the latter.

In the end as stated before yes sure time is an illusion but that illusion for many provides comfort just like the people that will view what the OP did as toxic because it goes against what they view is a comfortable or appropriate way to deal with someone in a social context. Anyone who deviates from that normal threatens to shatter their illusion of the community and that is scary for some.

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Originally Posted by Dragonblanco

I'm not going to be commenting or posting further on this thread, but feel free to continue the conversation without me. Last thing I'm going to say is that I hope more of you can try to hear people out and be more understanding. The amount of "it's a troll" or "it's a Titanmen alt!" is also a bit toxic. There are people looking to have legit conversations but people are quick to bully and bash using someone else from the past as an excuse. Evaluate each post separately. Remember, trolls look for conflict. So you only feed them when you start being negative to others. At least, that's how I see it.

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Fair enough. You'll have to forgive some of us for being a little suspicious though! Still, that doesn't change my view on the topic.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

No, I've not seen a change. It's the same as I always see, a greeting, then a goodbye at the end, as in most leveling dungeons. In Praetorium you'll usually get some fun chatter as everyone settles down for another 45 minute rerun of Praetorium the Movie, same to a lesser extent in Castrum. Toxicity is a once in a blue moon encounter for me, has been for the year I've played now.

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Been the same way in the 8 years I've been playing as well. :p

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Saying that the OP is responsible for causing someone else to be salty with the words she said she used is the same as saying that it is my fault that I am not choosing my words carefully when talking to some arrogant nobody.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

People who dislike getting real advice about how to play their role are toxic. Their behavior is detrimental to themselves and those around them.

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given that other people you talk to tend to be arrogant nobodies, who exactly are YOU that they should have to listen to literally anything you have to say ? i'll even give you that not listening to advice is detrimental but you know what ? take it as part of the experience, never associate with these same people again, be done with the problem. acting with hostility only fuels the fire and makes you no better because now you are both toxic.

sorry but if a crazy person on the street starts screaming at you you don't "win" by screaming louder than them.

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

given that other people you talk to tend to be arrogant nobodies, who exactly are YOU that they should have to listen to literally anything you have to say ? i'll even give you that not listening to advice is detrimental but you know what ? take it as part of the experience, never associate with these same people again, be done with the problem. acting with hostility only fuels the fire and makes you no better because now you are both toxic.

sorry but if a crazy person on the street starts screaming at you you don't "win" by screaming louder than them.

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Since you are asking: I am what I am. If you ask my sister she will tell you that I am nice. If you ask the last person I voted to kick from a dungeon they will tell that I am not nice. It doesn't matter. Also, I never said that the other people I talk with tend to be arrogant nobodies, I only gave an example.

Yes, you don't win arguments by screaming. The moment the other side has lost it I already won. Here it must be noted that being not nice =/= screaming. In any case, what value do I get from arguing with arrogant people in dungeons? Such discussions don't teach me anything new and people can't really talk a lot in there so what's the point besides saying something more than "hi", "hey X, start playing, ty" / "Y, stop trolling", "bye".

And no, acting with hostility frees up pent-up frustration. I'd rather be toxic to people who deserve it in online games than buckle it all up and then lash out from the tiniest things IRL because of something that happened in a game. I play a game to enjoy it first and foremost, someone who disrupting that enjoyment already has a lost a significant amount of respect from me. They don't need or should listen to anything I say and this is the reason why I usually don't enter into a discussion with that type of people in dungeons. One to two messages at best. I will ask you why you are eating AoE on mob pulls as a tank in level 80 dungeon and have the battle mentor status on and then vote to kick you if you repeat the same thing. There is nothing really to talk about. If I am already asking you a particular question like this it's because the majority of the tanks I have played with are not doing what you are doing. So I am not used to you and I don't have a reason to become used to you unless you give me a good one. Silence is always a wrong answer.

I don't really think that pretending to be done with a problem is the same as dealing with it.

i don't want to read all these pages, but i did read the first one. i get the OP isn't going to be here, but maybe they'll read this, or someone else will

whenever i see an increase of bad behavior, i check if it's free login period. it is currently free login period

there are many prospective players so i try to be nice and helpful, but fact of the matter is, a lot of people are just passing through with no intention of sticking around, so they don't care about any repercussions

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Since you are asking: I am what I am. If you ask my sister she will tell you that I am nice. If you ask the last person I voted to kick from a dungeon they will tell that I am not nice. It doesn't matter. Also, I never said that the other people I talk with tend to be arrogant nobodies, I only gave an example.

Yes, you don't win arguments by screaming. The moment the other side has lost it I already won. Here it must be noted that being not nice =/= screaming. In any case, what value do I get from arguing with arrogant people in dungeons? Such discussions don't teach me anything new and people can't really talk a lot in there so what's the point besides saying something more than "hi", "hey X, start playing, ty" / "Y, stop trolling", "bye".

And no, acting with hostility frees up pent-up frustration. I'd rather be toxic to people who deserve it in online games than buckle it all up and then lash out from the tiniest things IRL because of something that happened in a game. I play a game to enjoy it first and foremost, someone who disrupting that enjoyment already has a lost a significant amount of respect from me. They don't need or should listen to anything I say and this is the reason why I usually don't enter into a discussion with that type of people in dungeons. One to two messages at best. I will ask you why you are eating AoE on mob pulls as a tank in level 80 dungeon and have the battle mentor status on and then vote to kick you if you repeat the same thing. There is nothing really to talk about. If I am already asking you a particular question like this it's because the majority of the tanks I have played with are not doing what you are doing. So I am not used to you and I don't have a reason to become used to you unless you give me a good one. Silence is always a wrong answer.

I don't really think that pretending to be done with a problem is the same as dealing with it.

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Hey when I am healing I want the tank to eat damage at 80 it gives me something to do. :P

Solely my experience but I haven’t experienced any increase in toxicity. Actually I haven’t dealt with much at all lately.

I am glad that so far, I have been 100% wrong thinking that the influx of players (especially from you know where) would be an increase in toxic behavior.

I haven't experienced any of that yet and that gives me renewed hope for the gaming community overall!

OP's posts in this thread are a major self report.

If in a day you meet one toxic player, they are probably toxic.
If you meets lots of toxic players, it's likely you are the toxic one.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

I am glad that so far, I have been 100% wrong thinking that the influx of players (especially from you know where) would be an increase in toxic behavior.

I haven't experienced any of that yet and that gives me renewed hope for the gaming community overall!

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For those coming directly from WoW, it is probably liberating to experience an MMO that doesn't make you feel like you have a second job. :p

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

For those coming directly from WoW, it is probably liberating to experience an MMO that doesn't make you feel like you have a second job. :p

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Now it's more schoolwork because you have to sit through endless story after story via each patch update. We came from 2nd job to back to school.

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Originally Posted by Shinxwildflower

Now it's more schoolwork because you have to sit through endless story after story via each patch update. We came from 2nd job to back to school.

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Story? In a heavily story based MMO?

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Story? In a heavily story based MMO?

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Sorry, can't hear you with Mr. Edgly Edgelord over here going on about how evil he is as we stand here watch doing nothing to stop him for the 10th time.

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Are they? Because I've been playing the game for a month now, and the most "toxic" behavior I've witnessed is people simply remaining silent during a dungeon/trial/raid.

Honestly if we had something to complain about this game, the community would be far below the main problem.

Been finding nothing but mostly wholesome/helpful people so far, so, yeah, love you guys :)

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Story? In a heavily story based MMO?

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Ha! I know, right? I grew up playing the FF games (since back to the 1st), and one of the things I’ve loved about the entire series is the amazing stories.

I personally have been LOVING the stories in FFXIV so far, and am taking my sweet time playing through the game so that I can even enjoy the side stories that flesh out the main story because I’m enjoying it so much.

I hope SE continues this fantastic trend of incredible storytelling!!!

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Originally Posted by Awha

Hey when I am healing I want the tank to eat damage at 80 it gives me something to do. :P

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This is how I thought at first as well. But I eventually adjusted to what the game is expecting me to do - spam gcd damage spells. I would cast a cure II for someone who is apologetic and visibly lagging but not for a mentor. No way.

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

acting with hostility only fuels the fire and makes you no better because now you are both toxic.

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Hostility is not inherently bad btw. It is an essential part of a full-filling life. The very things you consist of are constantly being hostile towards foreign objects and cells who deviate from following the rules within your body. Trying to live without being hostile is a fallacy. Life is not about obtaining absolute peace. When you are dead you will have plenty of it. So people who are pretending to be okay with things when they are not really okay with things are trying to be dead while they are still alive. Someone ignoring me in a dungeon affects me, bad gameplay affects me, living things react to disturbances, dead things are okay with everything.

The only toxic thing I have seen lately is a hundred people trying to deafen and blind you while you try to accept the Jumping Puzzle quest at the golden saucer.

Always was, OP. It wasn't as much in our faces until recently.

Perspective, that is the word. Given the medium in which we communicate in game mostly it is hard. We don't have those visual cues to tell us what is going on with the other person we are trying to communicate with. Patience is what we all need. Maybe the person had something going on in the background that drew their attention. We just don't know. I try to answer people in chat sometimes I ignore the chat because the most recent game I came from chat was rather rude mostly (ESO) yes it's a plague there too. Try and have patience and understanding, if someone is rude ignore them. Don't let these things stress you, people will always be people. I hope if I ever appear rude to someone they would say hey why don't you answer me? I would apologize and try to read the chat. Just know we never know what is going on in the background. Maybe someone's kid or dog knocked over something, or someone has distracted that person. We just don't know. I would rather give the benefit of the doubt than think badly until it's proven the person is being a butthole.

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Originally Posted by Xathyr

Are they? Because I've been playing the game for a month now, and the most "toxic" behavior I've witnessed is people simply remaining silent during a dungeon/trial/raid.

Honestly if we had something to complain about this game, the community would be far below the main problem.

Been finding nothing but mostly wholesome/helpful people so far, so, yeah, love you guys :)

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At high ilevel players are more particular but rd really just about understanding battles. If you want to be a farmer you really need to know the boss by memory, where you stand and what combos to use. I find that some people get frustrated when others simply die, which in my opinion is some kind of mental toxicity. Making mistakes is fine, but when you take it out on other players it’s discouraging. And actually, a lot of higher level players know this and it’s sad that they develop a false elitist attitude. Everyone is learning here, since it’s such a big game. I think the vastness encourages players to return back, but when your groups continually end on sour notes it begs the question of worth. I think the quality of game content outweighs the negativity, but the effort to be a team by all players will always pose as a difficulty. Perhaps it’s the game design itself, a lot of people blame pf. I don’t think many people who can teach are willing to help starting out players - this could be another part of why the game is seen as toxic. But I’ve mostly tried to figure out everything by myself. It definitely comes from someone thinking they know more than you on a game that’s really pretty much free roaming.