It’s 2021 now and we still do not have Race Restrictions REMOVED from Hempen Clothes

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Originally Posted by Vickii

Very odd. I see the heavensturn helmet. I can only imagine you’re talking about the crypt mask which is current tier for MCH.

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The forum loads differently for different people. Hence the disconnect in your current outfit of choice.

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I’m also a chick, and if I wanted to play the sims I’d play the sims. Many of us play this game seriously and not to dress up in Limsa and do whatever you guys do there.

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Again assuming that I hang around Limsa all the time? I actually don’t. I tend to stay to myself and hang out at my personal house or FC house. Don’t care to hang around in the city-states. Much like I don’t care what other people do with their characters. And who’s to say I don’t play this game seriously? How do you know how I play the game? Can we stop with the baseless assumptions? Like where are you even getting this crap from?

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But again this is my point, you get aggressive very quickly if anyone suggests your opinion is not the only one that matters so many of us stay quiet. But there’s no real evidence that you’re more representative of the fanbase than me.

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BRUHHH. I get aggressive very quickly? Dude, you literally assumed my gender in your first response to me (I’m assuming based off your last response and this one that you were lumping me in with the “grown men” statement), and then accused me of having a fetish (because...I play a Miqo’te?). Who’s the aggressive one in this scenario?

All I did was 1., point out the irony of some of your statements condemning glamour tastes, and 2., ask you to provide evidence to your assertions of “many of us” and “a lot of players”. I’m providing evidence based on what I see here—the platform the developers provided for player feedback. What evidence are you providing? Other than saying I’m the loud minority, but not really providing anything to give credence to that. And then hand-wave it all away with the “there’s no real evidence that you’re more representative of the fanbase than me” argument.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

The forum loads differently for different people. Hence the disconnect in your current outfit of choice.



Again assuming that I hang around Limsa all the time? I actually don’t. I tend to stay to myself and hang out at my personal house or FC house. Don’t care to hang around in the city-states. Much like I don’t care what other people do with their characters. And who’s to say I don’t play this game seriously? How do you know how I play the game? Can we stop with the baseless assumptions? Like where are you even getting this crap from?



BRUHHH. I get aggressive very quickly? Dude, you literally assumed my gender in your first response to me (I’m assuming based off your last response and this one that you were lumping me in with the “grown men” statement), and then accused me of having a fetish (because...I play a Miqo’te?). Who’s the aggressive one in this scenario?

All I did was 1., point out the irony of some of your statements condemning glamour tastes, and 2., ask you to provide evidence to your assertions of “many of us” and “a lot of players”. I’m providing evidence based on what I see here—the platform the developers provided for player feedback. What evidence are you providing? Other than saying I’m the loud minority, but not really providing anything to give credence to that. And then hand-wave it all away with the “there’s no real evidence that you’re more representative of the fanbase than me” argument.

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Never assumed your gender. I made a very true statement that there’s weird guys in this game that like playing dress up. You assumed I was talking about you. I was not.

But let’s move on, because as I said from the start, you’re not willing to regard anything but your own opinion. Have a nice evening.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

But it’s true. Have you been to Limsa? It’s full of people with silly glamours doing ERP and god knows what.

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Most of the people on Gilgamesh and Sargatanas that are AFK in Limsa are usually AFK with their Ultimate titles and weapons out. But let’s just make more blanket statements.

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And these people think they are the ‘community’ and everything should be catered to them. Whilst there’s a whole bunch of other cities where we wear the actual armour and stuff in the game and play it a bit more seriously.

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I guess you’ve never been to the Quicksand on Balmung or Mateus....

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Why do you feel that all of those opinions shouldn’t matter just because you shout a bit louder?

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Why do you feel like opposing opinions to yours shouldn’t matter? That’s the definite vibe I’m getting from you. That, and you condemn anyone who doesn’t play the game as you think they should play, based off your responses in this thread. Why does it matter what someone puts on their character that they pay for? Why does it matter what they do in game? Is it causing you harm?

Honestly, this quoted statement could be turned right around and applied to you. You’re condemning our opinions—calling us the “loud minority”, belittling us with baseless assumptions and insults—and then saying that your opinion and those of “the more serious players” should matter more.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

Never assumed your gender. I made a very true statement that there’s weird guys in this game that like playing dress up. You assumed I was talking about you. I was not.

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Considering you directly accused me of having a fetish, I just assumed you were also lumping me into your statement about how it’s “grown men with weird fetishes”. My apologies for making an assumption—but you’ve yet to apologize for your assuming I have a fetish based on I don’t even know what reason. And whose to say that there aren’t “weird women” that like to play dress up? Or is this only a problem if the person is a male? Again: WHY DOES IT MATTER TO YOU SO MUCH WHAT PEOPLE DO WITH THEIR CHARACTERS THAT THEY PAY FOR?

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But let’s move on, because as I said from the start, you’re not willing to regard anything but your own opinion. Have a nice evening.

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Just gonna repeat this here:

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Honestly, this quoted statement could be turned right around and applied to you. You’re condemning our opinions—calling us the “loud minority”, belittling us with baseless assumptions and insults—and then saying that your opinion and those of “the more serious players” should matter more.

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I don’t think we can have any sort of constructive conversation given that each retort you make towards me is full of nothing but assumptions and insults towards anyone who doesn’t play as you think they should.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

maybe if you weren’t so hostile more people would share their views and I think you’d be surprised.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

A lot of these players are grown men with weird fetishes

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Originally Posted by Vickii

That’s a bit difference from you having a bunny/cat/maid fetish.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

But it’s true. Have you been to Limsa? It’s full of people with silly glamours doing ERP and god knows what.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

You’re sounding like left wing twitter. I remember people going on and on about brexit/Trump and how they were absolutely right and the majority and then when they both lost they were stunned.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

I could make a thread right now ‘who doesn’t want FF overrun by stupid cat girls in bikinis’

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Originally Posted by Vickii

I’m sorry, you play dress up and ERP all you want..

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Hmmmm. I wonder...

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

@reivaxe — Except the hempen gear does not racially define any of the races. There is nothing about any of them that makes them inherently Hyuran or Miqo’te or Au Ra or whatever. They are underwear sets that existed in 1.0 and were ported over as is with the rest of the gear from that time. But they have never been what defined the races, or even the culture surrounding the races.

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This is factually wrong.
I'm by no means a lore expert but for the time I was a Highlander I did learn a thing or two about them and "With a spiritual tradition dating back to times of yore, Highlanders are known to sport wood-carved talismans woven into their underclothes". This is reflected in them legit having a wooden talisman in their hempen top for both genders.

Now, is that true for every other group? IDK, don't know their lore and never looked into it. To me it's likely partly an aesthetics choice to enhance and promote the traits they based the races upon ... like them thinking that FemRoe underwear should look like a wrestle's could be because they're the biggest, buffest race/ Elezen having the classy, elegent underwear cause they're the elegant ones/ Lala having modest, cute underwear cause they're the lil cute people or Draggo girls having a teddy nightwear to play up and enhance or push the fact that they're based on succubus and Jpop idols.
These are all valid reasons to do this seeing as, again, the concept is to play up the themes and aesthetics unique to them. But at the VERY least Highlander underwear is based on their cultural lore.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

This is factually wrong.
I'm by no means a lore expert but for the time I was a Highlander I did learn a thing or two about them and "With a spiritual tradition dating back to times of yore, Highlanders are known to sport wood-carved talismans woven into their underclothes". This is reflected in them legit having a wooden talisman in their hempen top for both genders.

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This means that the talismans are lore appropriate, not the clothes themselves. Based off of this statement, could put them on the Miqo’te hempen top and it would make no difference. Remove the talisman from the Highlander hempen garb, and it’s just garb. If it cannot sustain its cultural significance when you remove the talisman, then the clothes themselves are not culturally significant.

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Now, is that true for every other group? IDK, don't know their lore and never looked into it. To me it's likely partly an aesthetics choice to enhance and promote the traits they based the races upon ... like them thinking that FemRoe underwear should look like a wrestle's could be because they're the biggest, buffest race/ Elezen having the classy, elegent underwear cause they're the elegant ones/ Lala having modest, cute underwear cause they're the lil cute people or Draggo girls having a teddy nightwear to play up and enhance or push the fact that they're based on succubus and Jpop idols.
These are all valid reasons to do this seeing as, again, the concept is to play up the themes and aesthetics unique to them. But at the VERY least Highlander underwear is based on their cultural lore.

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Miqo’te hempen clothes have no cultural significance to them. Lore-wise, Seekers and Keepers are very different in terms of their history and traditions, but both are considered to be hunters. A halter top and panties doesn’t do anything to enhance either of the clans’ cultural traits. The lore book only makes mention of starting race gear with regards to all races—for Miqo’te, it cites how they are loose fitting and not bulky to allow for free range of movement—and it does make mention that holes are cut out of the bottoms to accommodate their tails, something their hempen gear doesn’t have. For Au Ra, the lorebook directly contradicts the idea of them being cute J-pop girls, as it cites that their racial starting gear is supposed to represent “rugged strength” (more specifically referencing how the gear is ripped and torn—something that applies to both male and female garb).

On the topic of aesthetic choices to enhance/promote traits of the race, this argument falls flat when none of the tailed races have hempen clothes that do anything to enhance one of the prominent physical features that makes them very different from other races in the game. As for elegance, elegance is independent of race, in my opinion. I believe the lore book describes Elezens as pretentious instead of elegant. I suppose if you wanted to stretch with the whole “elf” lore that exists in other fandoms—but I cannot say for certain if that was the developers’ mindset with regards to Elezens as they are in the XIV universe. I don’t find anything particularly elegant enough about their hempen gear to advocate for it to being racially locked.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

You did so while also accusing me of having a bunny/cat/maid fetish. Or started berating me and others for not playing the game “seriously” or how you think we should play. You don’t know how I play this game at all—or anyone else for that matter—yet that didn’t stop you from attacking people that don’t play like you think they should.

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This is interesting ... I think you need to step back a bit.

Reading how your interaction went it started like this ...

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Originally Posted by Vickii

Problem with the ff community is they kinda ignore that on some topics such as this and job specific armour and gender locking things, that there’s just as many people in favour of that stuff as against.

I don’t like what highlanders got for the Hempen set. But I do like having race specific clothing and would like some more.

I guess this is why the devs aren’t changing it.

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This is frankly true, just cause you "can't IMAGINE why anyone would want restrictions" doesn't mean that's the common PoV on it. I'm proof of this as well as many others, I want MORE race restricted gear.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

How do you know this? Because in a thread that says ‘unlock the items’ most people who post are in favour of it? Yes because this is kinda a non conflict community in the main. And if I were to post a ‘don’t unlock the items’ thread it would get attacked.

No offence but I can’t help believe that you’re the loud minority here. Many of us don’t want to see people walking around in silly clothes, it’s bad enough already tbh. A lot of these players are grown men with weird fetishes, and honestly there’s a lot of us would just rather the game stay away from this stuff.

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This is also very true, the OF are mostly a cesspool of whining as it seems to have created a culture where people only come here to air grievances about something or troll. This does not mean that those feelings are the commonly held belief among the millions of players. So just cause you see people cheering for topics like this doesn't mean most players want it or even care about it.

I can't personally say how many people care about XYZ but I do know that of all the FB groups and Discords and reddits and in game chats I'm a part of these kinda things are never bitched about. I've legit seen someone accuse someone in a group of modding because they had an Elezen with the Hempen top on ... that person had never seen an elezen wearing one. That's the last time I remember anyone even commenting on these underwear outside of the OF.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

This is frankly true, just cause you "can't IMAGINE why anyone would want restrictions" doesn't mean that's the common PoV on it. I'm proof of this as well as many others, I want MORE race restricted gear.

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Except the removal of these restrictions has been brought up numerous times with some threads reaching over 300 likes. Before you dismiss likes, the devs have repeatedly said they use likes as a way to gauge player interest in a particular subject. When the overwhelming opinion between here, reddit and other online forums is one-sided, it stands to reason that is the general average. If nothing else, you need some form of statistical evidence to argue that stance isn't the majority—which hasn't been provided. Put simply, your assumption is based on... nothing. The assumption players want less restriction is clearly displayed online.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

This is also very true, the OF are mostly a cesspool of whining as it seems to have created a culture where people only come here to air grievances about something or troll. This does not mean that those feelings are the commonly held belief among the millions of players. So just cause you see people cheering for topics like this doesn't mean most players want it or even care about it.

I can't personally say how many people care about XYZ but I do know that of all the FB groups and Discords and reddits and in game chats I'm a part of these kinda things are never bitched about. I've legit seen someone accuse someone in a group of modding because they had an Elezen with the Hempen top on ... that person had never seen an elezen wearing one. That's the last time I remember anyone even commenting on these underwear outside of the OF.

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Be that as it may, these opinions aren't unique to the official forums. You also cannot simply dismiss a clear majority opinion with no rebuttal beyond "well, I don't think they represent the playerbase." At least not when the argument is so one-sided. A prime example would be Eureka. Near universally despised online, some people kept insisting that didn't represent the actual playerbase. Lo and behold, not only did the devs acknowledge many of the flaws players highlighted but made numerous changes entirely based on that vocal criticism.

In other words, the online responses are what the developers have to go on for feedback. Hence why they ask players to voice their opinions. If you aren't, well, you can't complain when they change things based on something you never spoke up about or against.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

This is interesting ... I think you need to step back a bit.

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Why do I need to step back? The poster you’re quoting came at me with assumptions and insults the minute I contested their opinions. That’s what the statement you quoted from me is referencing. In none of their responses to me where they exactly respectful—not even their first response to me, which is when they started going on about “grown men with weird fetishes”, and then it devolved into them telling me I had a weird fetish simply because I disagree with the hempen sets being racially locked. I wasn’t even discussing other kinds of glamour—I’ve always been primarily talking about the hempen sets because that’s what this thread is about. .

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This is frankly true, just cause you "can't IMAGINE why anyone would want restrictions" doesn't mean that's the common PoV on it. I'm proof of this as well as many others, I want MORE race restricted gear.

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I’m making my statements based on what I see on this platform, as stated in my previous posts. If you were actually analyzing the conversation between myself and Vickii, you would see that I mention that multiple times. The people that post on here are generally in favor of wanting the hempen sets unlocked. Every time they are brought up, most posts in the threads are in favor of them being unlocked. I also didn’t say anything about being unable to “imagine why anyone would want restrictions”. That’s simply you putting words in my mouth.

You ignored in my first response to Vickii where I said if they could give races sets that are designed to be culturally appropriate for them (or even the different clans, since, as I said, clans also differ in their lore), then I’m fine with that. However, I also made mention that culture in this game seems to be primarily divided based on region and less on races—there are exceptions with the few homogenous racial communities we see in this game (primarily Raen and Xaela), but most regions are made of different races, so they do not racially homogenize the gear. Instead they homogenize it based on the regions (i.e., Ul’dah, Limsa, Gridania, Ishgard, etc.). Lore-wise it might not even be possible to create racially homogenized gear outside of those few communities that are mostly homogenous. Which you have the Xaela with their own gear—but then again, said gear is also available to everyone via Bardam’s Mettle and the mid-tier SB crafting/gathering gear. The Raen use gear from one of the Little Ladies’ Day events prior to SB even releasing (I think it was the 2016 event).

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This is also very true, the OF are mostly a cesspool of whining as it seems to have created a culture where people only come here to air grievances about something or troll. This does not mean that those feelings are the commonly held belief among the millions of players. So just cause you see people cheering for topics like this doesn't mean most players want it or even care about it.

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While the OF has certainly degraded in quality, there are still valid suggestions and complaints present. And it is also the official platform that SE recommends players use (despite us knowing that they also browse the FFXIV subreddit). And even though the forums are the minority, it’s what the developers have to go on with regards to playerbase opinions. If those that don’t post don’t air their opinions (or non-opinions), well it’s a moot point. The developers don’t know. You and I don’t know. So how can we even take them into account? This is the feedback the developers see. It’s what they have to go on.

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I can't personally say how many people care about XYZ but I do know that of all the FB groups and Discords and reddits and in game chats I'm a part of these kinda things are never bitched about. I've legit seen someone accuse someone in a group of modding because they had an Elezen with the Hempen top on ... that person had never seen an elezen wearing one. That's the last time I remember anyone even commenting on these underwear outside of the OF.

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Again, what people talk about in private communities isn’t want the developers (or even myself) see. This is the platform they have. This is the feedback they see. Based on what I have seen here, the majority of the feedback is for unlocking the racial sets.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

This means that the talismans are lore appropriate

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Lets not play obtuse here. The Talisman is apart of their underwear and from their lore that outright states they wear this woven into their underwear, you legit said none of them had any cultural meaning or significance/ connection. Ya wrong. (Also, the fact that it's race and clan locked would imply that all hempen tops/ bottoms designs are customary for those who wear them. As in, by being race locked the game's saying "it's customary for these people in this culture to wear this under their outter clothing" aka implied lore ... cause not everyone is going to have descriptions of underwear in their lore but the game can show it. Yeah, ya know .. it can work that way. This can be the game's way of saying that these are lore-wise what your character would wear as w/e race cause it is their customary garments )

"B-B-But if you gave them DIFFERENT underwear they could still change it to have the talisman on it" so you want to divorce the elements behind their racial underwear that connect it directly to their culture just so everyone can have some version of BDSM gear and then make a version of EVERY other underwear that has a sizable wooden talisman in the center of the chest, woven into it?

That's silly.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Lets not play obtuse here. The Talisman is apart of their underwear and from their lore that outright states they wear this woven into their underwear, you legit said none of them had any cultural meaning or significance/ connection. Ya wrong. (Also, the fact that it's race and clan locked would imply that all hempen tops/ bottoms designs are customary for those who wear them. As in, by being race locked the game's saying "it's customary for these people in this culture to wear this under their outter clothing" aka implied lore ... cause not everyone is going to have descriptions of underwear in their lore but the game can show it. Yeah, ya know .. it can work that way. This can be the game's way of saying that these are lore-wise what your character would wear as w/e race cause it is their customary garments ).

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Apparently, this significance meant nothing when the developers ported the Hyur and Roegadyn sets over to Viera and Hrothgar. Are you going to argue these four races just happened to share a similar enough culture... for their underwear?

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Except the removal of these restrictions has been brought up numerous times with some threads reaching over 300 likes.

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More than 300 people play this game.

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Before you dismiss likes, the devs have repeatedly said they use likes as a way to gauge player interest in a particular subject. When the overwhelming opinion between here, reddit and other online forums is one-sided, it stands to reason that is the general average.

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300 people are not the overwhelming arvg between OF, Reddit and other forums. Not to mention Jpn and other languages on the OF and other gathering places that they would have to also be looking at.

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If nothing else, you need some form of statistical evidence to argue that stance isn't the majority—which hasn't been provided.

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You got that mixed up.

The onus is on you to prove that this is something "Most people who play this game care about". This is your claim. I legit said that I can't possibly know how many people want xyz but I know what I want, I've seen proof that I'm not alone and of all the gathering places I go to for talk of this game the OF is the only place I've seen people bother bringing this up.

You point to a topic "over 300 likes" ... ok. If you think saying "there's at least 303 of us!" sounds lame then I get why you would want to inflate this into an issue everyone agrees on. Doesn't make it true though.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Lets not play obtuse here. The Talisman is apart of their underwear and from their lore that outright states they wear this woven into their underwear, you legit said none of them had any cultural meaning or significance/ connection. Ya wrong.

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This sounds like a very hand-wavey way to dismiss my argument. It’s not playing obtuse. The lorebook mentions the talismans as the significant part of the Highlander culture. Not the clothes they weave them into. Remove the talismans, and the clothes are no longer significant to the race. There’s nothing saying that they weave them into this “BDSM-esque” (as you described it) gear.

Take another culturally significant piece of clothing and compare: the kimono for example. If you take away the obi from the kimono, it doesn’t make the kimono any less culturally significant to Japanese culture (or the obi, for that matter). The hempen sets, on the other hand, have no record of history. They aren’t mentioned in the lore book. There’s no in-game lore explaining why they are the way they are—not even an hand-wavey explanation, and this game has plenty of those. Only the talismans are worth mentioning in the lorebook. The racial starter gear is mentioned over the racial hempen sets. At the end of the day, it’s just underwear.

That you’re clinging to one very loose instance of cultural significance for hempen sets doesn’t really work when every other hempen set is not culturally significant outside of what players may head-canon. And head-canons are not canonical in the XIV universe.

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(Also, the fact that it's race and clan locked would imply that all hempen tops/ bottoms designs are customary for those who wear them. As in, by being race locked the game's saying "it's customary for these people in this culture to wear this under their outter clothing" aka implied lore ... cause not everyone is going to have descriptions of underwear in their lore but the game can show it. Yeah, ya know .. it can work that way. This can be the game's way of saying that these are lore-wise what your character would wear as w/e race cause it is their customary garments )

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This argument falls flat when Viera shares the Hyuran hempen set. And the Hrothgar share Roegadyn gear. Are you going to just make an implication that they just happen to share their set with another race? Again, there isn’t anything racially significant about these sets. They’re just underwear. You’re clinging to the notion of head-canoning that this is what each race wears as their underwear. At the end of the day, it’s a head canon if there’s nothing within the game’s lore to ultimately support it. Which there really isn’t.

Your argument for keeping these sets locked is clinging to straws. Opinions on elegance; tying characteristics into races (i.e., elegance, cuteness); views on what you think the races are inspired by. Head-canons. None of these are particularly strong enough, in my opinion, to support why these sets should remain locked. Especially when they’ve already thrown out the locks on the two new races, anyways. And that has very little to do with the other issues surrounding them, before that’s brought up again.

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"B-B-But if you gave them DIFFERENT underwear they could still change it to have the talisman on it" so you want to divorce the elements behind their racial underwear that connect it directly to their culture just so everyone can have some version of BDSM gear and then make a version of EVERY other underwear that has a sizable wooden talisman in the center of the chest, woven into it?

That's silly.

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The point I was making was, again, the talismans are what are important. Not what they are attached to. If the underwear itself was so important, one would think it would be made mention of alongside the talismans. Or even displayed in the lorebook because it does display significant pieces of gear to both races and jobs. But no, it’s just a generic statement about undergarments. Which could really be anything.

And hey, more gear options mean more options in general, so, since you suggested it, I’m all for it. Why not have more options? Isn’t that what you ultimately want? More options?

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

The onus is on you to prove that this is something "Most people who play this game care about". This is your claim. I legit said that I can't possibly know how many people want xyz but I know what I want, I've seen proof that I'm not alone and of all the gathering places I go to for talk of this game the OF is the only place I've seen people bother bringing this up.

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When you bring up a counter argument, it’s your job to support your counter argument. Saying, “Well I know Discord and FB groups that don’t care about this” doesn’t really cut it because you aren’t providing any proof. Meanwhile, myself or anyone else could at least link the threads here with their likes. Scoff at them all you want, but developers take likes into account on here. No one is saying only 300 people play this game. That’s ridiculous. They’re showing a post that got significant traction with regards to this forum liking system. Not every post hits that high number.

I could tell you that most of the people in my Discords want it unlocked. Doesn’t mean that I’m suddenly right because I’m not providing any statistics or evidence to back up my statements. The same applies to you. Hence why I kept my argument to this platform—as the official platform and one that can offer readily available numbers and evidence. Even if it is in the form of likes that you’re scoffing at.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

But one could look at them and say "Viera and Hrothgar's default clothing is basically kink lingerie. They only started wearing underwear after encountering other races .." to explain that. Cause they truly do wear the least of any race for their default clothing which may very well indicate that they do not normally wear underwear in their culture and only adjusted to it in the new environment.

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This is a head-canon. That doesn’t make it true to the lore. If you have to head-canon things to support your arguments, then you have a poor argument.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

More than 300 people play this game.

300 people are not the overwhelming arvg between OF, Reddit and other forums. Not to mention Jpn and other languages on the OF and other gathering places that they would have to also be looking at.

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You missed the point. A statistical average does not require everyone participate. In fact, you typically need only a small amount to determine the likelihood. Case in point, people complained relentlessly about Monk yet it never garnered a thread with this much support. By your logic, the devs should have ignored it since "more than x numbers play Monk." Basically, you've dismissed any sort of feedback as this argument could be applied to literally everything.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

You got that mixed up.

The onus is on you to prove that this is something "Most people who play this game care about". This is your claim. I legit said that I can't possibly know how many people want xyz but I know what I want, I've seen proof that I'm not alone and of all the gathering places I go to for talk of this game the OF is the only place I've seen people bother bringing this up.

You point to a topic "over 300 likes" ... ok. If you think saying "there's at least 303 of us!" sounds lame then I get why you would want to inflate this into an issue everyone agrees on. Doesn't make it true though.

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Actually, the onus is on you to provide evidence of a rebuttal. Linking to a thread with 300 likes is evidence that shows a sizeable portion of players want this change. Once again, the developers have outright said they use likes as a way to gauge player interest.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

We all know why the 2 newest races got cheated outta gear. (some would call them half done, I simply say they were poorly excused and poorly planned ideas. I mean, if hats and hair weren't important enough to deal with then ...).

But one could look at them and say "Viera and Hrothgar's default clothing is basically kink lingerie. They only started wearing underwear after encountering other races .." to explain that. Cause they truly do wear the least of any race for their default clothing which may very well indicate that they do not normally wear underwear in their culture and only adjusted to it in the new environment.

Take your pick, idc.

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This is a giant headcanon. You have literally nothing to base this off but your own assumption. If you need to make this much of a reach to justify your argument, you have a poor argument.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Apparently, this significance meant nothing when the developers ported the Hyur and Roegadyn sets over to Viera and Hrothgar. Are you going to argue these four races just happened to share a similar enough culture... for their underwear?

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We all know why the 2 newest races got cheated outta gear. (some would call them half done, I simply say they were poorly excused and poorly planned ideas. I mean, if hats and hair weren't important enough to deal with then ...).

But one could look at them and say "Viera and Hrothgar's default clothing is basically kink lingerie. They only started wearing underwear after encountering other races .." to explain that. Cause they truly do wear the least of any race for their default clothing which may very well indicate that they do not normally wear underwear in their culture and only adjusted to it in the new environment.

Take your pick, idc.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

We all know why the 2 newest races got cheated outta gear. (some would call them half done, I simply say they were poorly excused and poorly planned ideas. I mean, if hats and hair weren't important enough to deal with then ...).

But one could look at them and say "Viera and Hrothgar's default clothing is basically kink lingerie. They only started wearing underwear after encountering other races .." to explain that. Cause they truly do wear the least of any race for their default clothing which may very well indicate that they do not normally wear underwear in their culture and only adjusted to it in the new environment.

Take your pick, idc.

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I mean, you can't argue lore on one hand and then headcanon with the other, that's both hypocritical and undermining your own argument. By that logic, since Viera and Horth "saw underwear" and started using it, you could argue that OTHER RACES "saw the others' underwear" and wanted to use them.

I'm against the notion that it's a lore issue when there's really only a sample of one "lore-appropriate" against eight "lore-ignoring" (and I say ignoring as meaning "having no connection to established lore"). Because it also opens the floodgates to another issue that's recieved complaints from the playerbase: that being, Highlander Males' lack of eyebrows. While it's lore-stated that Highlanders shaved off their eyebrows because of the fall of Ala Mhigo, it puts the PC in a position where EVERY Highlander is Ala Mhigan, which, as has been another circular argument in the Male Viera thread, the PC does not have a backstory bound by the lore (except the very spoiler-y revelations from patch 5.3, but those are so far back and don't actually make a difference to the WoL's current...er... y'know my meaning without a spoiler-box) and can be from anywhere and have whatever backstory-moving on.

A "lore" excuse for UNDERWEAR feels... silly, and I say silly specifically in a game with a flying snowman mount. The PC can already use other "underwear-like" pieces like the appropriately-named Lord's Drawers/Lady's Knickers/Healer's Culottes while being a Highlander, without the wooden talismans, so we can't excuse TWO races' "well, that's development for ya, what're you gonna do" use of another races' smallclothes while enforcing "everyone should wear their racial panties, because lore" because of ONE.

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You missed the point. A statistical average does not require everyone participate.

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I never said it requires everyone, but 300 is a veeeeery small amount of the player base of millions. You didn't even compare it to the number of people who bother coming to the forums.

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Case in point, people complained relentlessly about Monk yet it never garnered a thread with this much support. By your logic, the devs should have ignored it since "more than x numbers play Monk." Basically, you've dismissed any sort of feedback as this argument could be applied to literally everything.

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This is a lie LMAO
Mnk has been meemed about in tons of circles, from reddit to twitch to twitter to discords. Even big streamers who SE pay attention to who use to love Mnk talk about it's state. It is (or was) statistically the least popular/ played/ leveled full job. They have had toooons of feed back saying people aren't happy with Mnk.

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Actually, the onus is on you to provide evidence of a rebuttal.

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Naaaaah, if I told you that there's actually a spaghettis monster in the sky you wouldn't have to be the one working day and night to prove that's NOT the case lol
Onus is always on the 1 making the claim.

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I never said it requires everyone, but 300 is a veeeeery small amount of the player base of millions. You didn't even compare it to the number of people who bother coming to the forums.

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Large enough to provide an adequate sample size considering that thread garnered more support than the gender restrictions and many job change requests.

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This is a lie LMAO
Mnk has been meemed about in tons of circles, from reddit to twitch to twitter to discords. Even big streamers who SE pay attention to who use to love Mnk talk about it's state. It is (or was) statistically the least popular/ played/ leveled full job. They have had toooons of feed back saying people aren't happy with Mnk.

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And yet none of its threads attracted 300 likes. Regardless, you're starawmanning. We're specifically talking about like ratios not everything encompassing the Internet. I also have a bridge to sell if you think the dev team pays even the slightest attention to Twitch outside watching it for entertainment. If they did, they wouldn't design healers the way they have considering nearly every streamer complains about them.

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Naaaaah, if I told you that there's actually a spaghettis monster in the sky you wouldn't have to be the one working day and night to prove that's NOT the case lol
Onus is always on the 1 making the claim.

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Providing a thread with several hundred likes is evidence, especially because the dev team has routinely said they consider like ratios an endorsement. The onus shifts onto you to offer a counterargument. And no, your friends on discord and Facebook won't suffice.

What if a highlander couple adopted a male au ra? He wouldn't be able to wear the talisman. His parents might think he's rejecting their culture but really he's just physically unable to put it on.

Most of the miqo'te tribes seem to wear subligars, but their racial underwear is lacy boyshorts. But you don't ever see lace poking out from under their subligars so they clearly aren't wearing them. But then they aren't really underwear, are they? Technically I think subligaria is ancient roman underwear. So then what are these lacy boyshorts? Pajamas? Formal wear? When should a miqo'te wear them? I need to know!

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What if a highlander couple adopted a male au ra? He wouldn't be able to wear the talisman. His parents might think he's rejecting their culture but really he's just physically unable to put it on.

Most of the miqo'te tribes seem to wear subligars, but their racial underwear is lacy boyshorts. But you don't ever see lace poking out from under their subligars so they clearly aren't wearing them. But then they aren't really underwear, are they? Technically I think subligaria is ancient roman underwear. So then what are these lacy boyshorts? Pajamas? Formal wear? When should a miqo'te wear them? I need to know!

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I dont really know if it would make sense lore wise for a higlander couple to adopt an au ra, considering how few of them there are in almost the entire world excpet the steppes and a few other places, but I do agree the miqote underwear is strange imo

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Originally Posted by TrenDeca

For those of you who are new and don’t understand what I’m talking about, there are race restrictions on all Hempen clothing in ffxiv. Hempen camise and Pantalettes all have different designs based on your race in game. Many people wished for that to be removed so for example, Miqote can wear Hyur Hempen clothing.

This has been highly requested for years, and has gone unanswered for a very long time. It’s unclear whether the dev team is working on this in 6.0 or if they decided to abandon the idea all together....

Judging by the recent Mogstation outfits, I assume their side focus is on glamour now, so what gives? (The lewd open buttoned shirt and the school girl outfit)

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Simple, really. The "Many" people you claim that want this isn't as many as you think. It's like an ant yelling at a giant. Or who knows, 6.0 may surprise us.

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I dont really know if it would make sense lore wise for a higlander couple to adopt an au ra, considering how few of them there are in almost the entire world excpet the steppes and a few other places, but I do agree the miqote underwear is strange imo

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i mean a miqote adopted a highlander (minfillia). its not out of the question in somewhere like ul dah which is probably full of orphans

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Originally Posted by TrenDeca

For those of you who are new and don’t understand what I’m talking about, there are race restrictions on all Hempen clothing in ffxiv. Hempen camise and Pantalettes all have different designs based on your race in game. Many people wished for that to be removed so for example, Miqote can wear Hyur Hempen clothing.

This has been highly requested for years, and has gone unanswered for a very long time. It’s unclear whether the dev team is working on this in 6.0 or if they decided to abandon the idea all together....

Judging by the recent Mogstation outfits, I assume their side focus is on glamour now, so what gives? (The lewd open buttoned shirt and the school girl outfit)

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The year has nothing to do with it,(Seriously its such and such a year make this happen is trite and overused) But limitations of old code will always be a thing.

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The year has nothing to do with it,(Seriously its such and such a year make this happen is trite and overused) But limitations of old code will always be a thing.

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And the fact that there were TONS of kinks to work out from having the staff transition from office work to working from home. That delays quite a bit when they are unable to connect properly, or having issues that IT has to solve for dozens of people, on a "as it appears" basis. I remember a post, that a community mod posted in, saying that it was being looked at. So it likely will happen, but I can guarantee it's not an urgent item to be dealt with, but rather a when they have time item.

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More race specific gear, not less!

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I don't know where people decide to make bizarre requests like this, but in a game where I can do or have anything on a single character, having race specific clothing is weird and out of place. The same piece getting a slightly different design to accommodate for tails or horns or whatever? Sure. But just locking clothes out based on race? No thanks.

*Sees all the discourse approve*
...Okay... :B
I'm pro-unlocking the hempen clothes, by the way... >w>

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The year has nothing to do with it,(Seriously its such and such a year make this happen is trite and overused) But limitations of old code will always be a thing.

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If Blizzard could untangle their spaghetti to increase the basic backpack size even after explicitly stating that it was impossible, then Square should also be perfectly capable of rewriting their code to lessen arbitrary restrictions.

Almost sounds like they either lost their source code or wrote this in assembly...

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The year has nothing to do with it,(Seriously its such and such a year make this happen is trite and overused) But limitations of old code will always be a thing.

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I don't think it would be a big problem code-wise. It's more likely a workflow/logistics sort of thing. If they've decided to do it it's probably low priority and continually being pushed down the to-do list by other new gear.

OKAY, this is getting OUT OF HAND. The top I need for this new glam IS the miqo'te hempen top!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/16...c4b6d870a5.gif

I... just... want... to... glam..

I wasted 300k on a stupid black dye, on a stupid top, that doesn't WORK. Actually I wasted 600k, and 2 million, on the stupid hat, stupid sneakers, that I can't WEAR since I can't get the top I need.

Stop trying to change FF14 into your game. You're just a visitor, not an owner.

Yup, should totally make this their #1 priority.

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OKAY, this is getting OUT OF HAND. The top I need for this new glam IS the miqo'te hempen top!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/16...c4b6d870a5.gif

I... just... want... to... glam..

I wasted 300k on a stupid black dye, on a stupid top, that doesn't WORK. Actually I wasted 600k, and 2 million, on the stupid hat, stupid sneakers, that I can't WEAR since I can't get the top I need.

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You needed it so bad that you made the switch.

Edit: that you were "forced" to switch. My bad.

That's how they get you.

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You needed it so bad that you made the switch.

Edit: that you were "forced" to switch. My bad.

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Yes. It's a sad state I have been reduced to. All for the sake of glam.. I had to see what my finished glam looked like. At. All. Costs. A high price to pay.

If I could have used the miqo'te hempen top, I wouldn't have to play as this.. Remember me, remember that I once lived.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yes. It's a sad state I have been reduced to. All for the sake of glam.. I had to see what my finished glam looked like. At. All. Costs. A high price to pay.

If I could have used the miqo'te hempen top, I wouldn't have to play as this.. Remember me, remember that I once lived.

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Oh dear... RIP SturmChurro, may they ever rest in pieces