Stuff like THIS is the reason Housing is a Joke -- SE please do something about this!

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

This exactly this, I have been playing since 2015 I created my FC on 01/01/2016 and still have not gotten an FC house. I am basically packing up to move to dynamis knowing I am losing a 9 year old FC and over 200 friends some who I have been friends with for over 2500+ 3000+ days because as you know majority of them will just stay on their home server and not bother DC hoping just to say hi and hang out.

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My sympathies! Yeah, it's like telling the WoL, "Hey---you can move to this new planet out there and build your dream home... but forget about your Scion friends, because they have things they're doing back on the home world, and won't be visiting you much. If at all."

I mean... a central core of the story is the FRIENDSHIPS, right? It's kind of like asking the WoL to give up their besties, in order to have their own home. When said Scion besties, visiting YOU, can't access a lot of stuff from their home-world... like mail, retainers (and gil stored on them), etc. Sigh.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

an Instance is an Instance

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You are focusing too much on the exact terminology people are using. They are wrong about the exact mechanisms behind the housing process, but this is because they aren't programmers, the point they are trying to get across is that they think the way things work currently with housing wards with neighborhoods, is a terrible way to handle things, and they'd prefer houses that exist in a vacuum without anyone around them, but are still fully functional compared to current housing, and are in turn available to all.

Literally everything is an instance in this game, Limsa Lominsa Lower Decks, literally the most populated map in the game at any given time, is an instance, to laser focus on the the one detail in their argument that sounds off is dishonest, people are merely unaware of the exact mechanisms behind the game, but that doesn't make their feelings and opinions on the state of things invalid.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

This exactly this, I have been playing since 2015 I created my FC on 01/01/2016 and still have not gotten an FC house. I am basically packing up to move to dynamis knowing I am losing a 9 year old FC and over 200 friends some who I have been friends with for over 2500+ 3000+ days because as you know majority of them will just stay on their home server and not bother DC hoping just to say hi and hang out.

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Before you move, have you tried creating or moving an alt to Dynamis? I would suggest you do that first, I sent my main alt to Seraph when it went live and I was able to get an S tier (P60) mansion plot in Shiro. I was able to enjoy housing for over a year and a half until my OG main won her personal large in Exodus after trying for over 7 years when I won it last early June. Having my home in Dynamis to tinker around with and decorate made the wait much more bearable until my OG main won her plot.



If you do decide to move your main to Dynamis, choose one of the new worlds like Cuchulainn, Golem or Rafflessia since those have tons of mediums and even a few mansion plots up for grabs. Kraken and Seraph don't have the Road to 90 buff too if you care about that and they will also cost you money to move there while the rest of the Dynamis worlds would be free. Seraph will be nearly as bad as Behe if you intend to get a FC plot larger than a small and it's worse for trying to get any plot for a personal plot.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

an Instance is an Instance, the only thing that would be loss is their ability to live track gardens and orchestrations, but in reality those can be stored as a SQL entry and next time the instance is loaded it just does a check on how long as passed since the last time the instance was loaded vs how long x garden should take to grow.



This exactly this, I have been playing since 2015 I created my FC on 01/01/2016 and still have not gotten an FC house. I am basically packing up to move to dynamis knowing I am losing a 9 year old FC and over 200 friends some who I have been friends with for over 2500+ 3000+ days because as you know majority of them will just stay on their home server and not bother DC hoping just to say hi and hang out.

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No offense but considering the population of Behemoth, if you havent gotten a house neither under the placard system or the lottery system, you are doing something very wrong, even people on Balmung have gotten larges and mediums and it has a gigantic amount of bids, far more than any of Behemoth's plots, so you are either lying or making it far worse than it is.

9 years without a single medium or large win is quite literally impossible.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

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I guess I could have used more words but I am trying to get across the point that what they are asking for is not instances but segregation/privacy. They ask for instances but they are already instanced and an instance is an instance no matter how you look at it.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

No offense but considering the population of Behemoth, if you havent gotten a house neither under the placard system or the lottery system, you are doing something very wrong, even people on Balmung have gotten larges and mediums and it has a gigantic amount of bids, far more than any of Behemoth's plots, so you are either lying or making it far worse than it is.

9 years without a single medium or large win is quite literally impossible.

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Oh yes when there has been no housing available for over a year and auto demo keep getting turned off for months and months and months at a time with no end in sight. https://i.imgur.com/n8nAe2D.png

Not like I can't afford it,
https://i.imgur.com/Hp6Ucji.png

When a medium shows up if its unrestricted 80+ bids if it's FC only MINIMUM 45+ bids

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Originally Posted by Rinoa_353

Before you move, have you tried creating or moving an alt to Dynamis? I would suggest you do that first, I sent my main alt to Seraph when it went live and I was able to get an S tier (P60) mansion plot in Shiro. I was able to enjoy housing for over a year and a half until my OG main won her personal large in Exodus after trying for over 7 years when I won it last early June. Having my home in Dynamis to tinker around with and decorate made the wait much more bearable until my OG main won her plot.



If you do decide to move your main to Dynamis, choose one of the new worlds like Cuchulainn, Golem or Rafflessia since those have tons of mediums and even a few mansion plots up for grabs. Kraken and Seraph don't have the Road to 90 buff too if you care about that and they will also cost you money to move there while the rest of the Dynamis worlds would be free. Seraph will be nearly as bad as Behe if you intend to get a FC plot larger than a small and it's worse for trying to get any plot for a personal plot.

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I had an alt for a long time on Maduin who had a medium but I did not use it often enough to justify stealing a medium from someone else who would hopefully get more use from it instead of logging in once a week to do enclave hand-ins and walk in the house and leave (it was even fully furnished cause I stopped playing my main for a few months) but I went back to my main and I really don't play alts when there's already so much to do on the main and all my friends on my main and I am not looking to juggle two friend groups.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

I guess I could have used more words but I am trying to get across the point that what they are asking for is not instances but segregation/privacy. They ask for instances but they are already instanced and an instance is an instance no matter how you look at it.



Oh yes when there has been no housing available for over a year and auto demo keep getting turned off for months and months and months at a time with no end in sight. https://i.imgur.com/n8nAe2D.png

Not like I can't afford it,
https://i.imgur.com/Hp6Ucji.png

When a medium shows up if its unrestricted 80+ bids if it's FC only MINIMUM 45+ bids

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Before SE put auto demo constantly on pause, there was ~~7 year and half to 8 years, even if there's 100 bids, there is no way you lost under both placard and under lottery both, I'm sorry.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Before SE put auto demo constantly on pause, there was ~~7 year and half to 8 years, even if there's 100 bids, there is no way you lost under both placard and under lottery both, I'm sorry.

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uhm I had a personal house back in HW but I did not have an FC house if I made it sound like I could afford a housing during that period I am sorry I was merely meaning I have been around that long. I still have a small personal. However I was not able to afford until after the housing changed to lottery and I do no appreciate you saying "there is no way you lost under lottery" because that is literally a gamble and there is and never will be a guarantee that you win ever especially when 80+ people are bidding at the same time as you for the plot you want, not to mention you can't bid on multiple plots just one a week.

I'm not going around on alt's with billions of gil buying up FC's and owning wards, like some disgusting players do.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

uhm I had a personal house back in HW but I did not have an FC house if I made it sound like I could afford a housing during that period I am sorry I was merely meaning I have been around that long. I still have a small personal. However I was not able to afford until after the housing changed to lottery and I do no appreciate you saying "there is no way you lost under lottery" because that is literally a gamble and there is and never will be a guarantee that you win ever especially when 80+ people are bidding at the same time as you for the plot you want, not to mention you can't bid on multiple plots just one a week.

I'm not going around on alt's with billions of gil buying up FC's and owning wards, like some disgusting players do.

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if I made it sound like I could afford a housing during that period I am sorry I was merely meaning I have been around that long

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That's a big difference though, your original post sounded like you had entered housing for that long be it for FC or personal and through lottery or placard, I am not defending the terrible housing system (especially the lottery, placard was better, even if people hate to admit it) but you havent been trying for housing for that long which imo needed clarification.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

That's a big difference though, your original post sounded like you had entered housing for that long be it for FC or personal and through lottery or placard, I am not defending the terrible housing system (especially the lottery, placard was better, even if people hate to admit it) but you havent been trying for housing for that long which imo needed clarification.

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If that is how me saying that I created my FC on 01/01/2016 and I still have yet to get an FC house was taken it's my bad for poor wording I just meant I have had my FC for that long and in that time of building up Gil to get a house at each corner I have been unable to attain a house be it because of how expensive they were and or the unluck with lottery. however on Behemoth which I have resided since 2015 it's rare to see mediums and larges available even when auto demo is enabled.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

If that is how me saying that I created my FC on 01/01/2016 and I still have yet to get an FC house was taken it's my bad for poor wording I just meant I have had my FC for that long and in that time of building up Gil to get a house at each corner I have been unable to attain a house be it because of how expensive they were and or the unluck with lottery. however on Behemoth which I have resided since 2015 it's rare to see mediums and larges available even when auto demo is enabled.

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Fair, I still dont think going to Dynamis is the right choice, you'll end up on a dead/dying DC that people are avoiding like a plague because its just never going to grow to a fully functional DC, most people also wont care enough to come over through DC travel just to visit, decision is up to you really, but I'd advice agaisnt it

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

...(especially the lottery, placard was better, even if people hate to admit it)....

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Big nope from me: I joined while the placard system was still active, and it was awful. Literally 3-4 people in our FC showing up, clicking like mad, house after house, and never even landing a small for us. Some of us got carpal-tunnel type issues from hours of clicking. When they changed to the lottery, it did take a few times but eventually we landed a small, and were able to use it for multiple things including birthday parties for members.

BUT, I've also been trying for a Med or Large for a personal (I want to make a museum space) for most of that time, and nope. The zone where I have a small rarely even has smalls come open at this point, and with Demo being turned off for so many MONTHS now, nothing really comes available. We very much need more housing on existing worlds where wards are full, but also, again, I think we need a new type of neighborhood in which you buy a large-sized plot (where *all* the plots are large), then can *pick* the size of house you put on it. Them just adding more wards with only 3 larges and 3 mediums means those go quick, and then (like on Dynamis) the smalls stand empty for a long time.

Yes, doing a new neighborhood design IS a lot of work... but IMO the changes would pay off for SE and fix a lot of the problems, and they could limit it to 20 houses per neighborhood to cut back on how much data each one would require, and just do more of them to make up numbers.

Don't get me wrong: I appreciate the Demo-pausing for RL disasters, but SE lets the pause run for way too long---months? But Demo is a small band-aid for a big problem, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Nana_Bear

Big nope from me: I joined while the placard system was still active, and it was awful. Literally 3-4 people in our FC showing up, clicking like mad, house after house, and never even landing a small for us. Some of us got carpal-tunnel type issues from hours of clicking. When they changed to the lottery, it did take a few times but eventually we landed a small, and were able to use it for multiple things including birthday parties for members.

BUT, I've also been trying for a Med or Large for a personal (I want to make a museum space) for most of that time, and nope. The zone where I have a small rarely even has smalls come open at this point, and with Demo being turned off for so many MONTHS now, nothing really comes available. We very much need more housing on existing worlds where wards are full, but also, again, I think we need a new type of neighborhood in which you buy a large-sized plot (where *all* the plots are large), then can *pick* the size of house you put on it. Them just adding more wards with only 3 larges and 3 mediums means those go quick, and then (like on Dynamis) the smalls stand empty for a long time.

Yes, doing a new neighborhood design IS a lot of work... but IMO the changes would pay off for SE and fix a lot of the problems, and they could limit it to 20 houses per neighborhood to cut back on how much data each one would require, and just do more of them to make up numbers.

Don't get me wrong: I appreciate the Demo-pausing for RL disasters, but SE lets the pause run for way too long---months? But Demo is a small band-aid for a big problem, IMO.

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People were supposed to only be there in "prime time" which was not 24 hrs long (thank god for that) it basically had a timespan of about 2 hours and that time had the biggest chance for the house to become available, the problem was that people camped for 10+ hours straight.

Also yeah I'm sorry, I'd rather be agaisnt like 20 or 30 people at a house instead of 500, but thats just me, some people just like to have absolutely no odds to ever win anything I guess.

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Originally Posted by Miohazuki

Instanced is a garbage system .it did not look great in eso .it will not look good in wow either . Xiv has one of the best housing system

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I swear some of y'all have the literacy skills of an elementary schooler.

LOTRO has neighborhoods. When those neighborhoods fill up a new neighborhood is generated.

WoW will work the same way.

Neither of these games is ESO which is instanced housing where the house instanced and there for the location is shared. That's a different system. Do you understand? Like can you read?

XIV's is objectively one of the worst in terms of accessibility and is already being beaten at it's own game by LOTRO- with WoW directly taking aim at bascially everything that sucks at FFXIV's housing. Now, WoW's isn't out yet- so we'll see what monkey paw curl blizzard manages but their current planned housing is much better already.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

People were supposed to only be there in "prime time" which was not 24 hrs long (thank god for that) it basically had a timespan of about 2 hours and that time had the biggest chance for the house to become available, the problem was that people camped for 10+ hours straight.

Also yeah I'm sorry, I'd rather be agaisnt like 20 or 30 people at a house instead of 500, but thats just me, some people just like to have absolutely no odds to ever win anything I guess.

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IIRC it's not people, it's auto-clickers for the old method, so that's closer to 0% compared to now, it'd be more fair since everyone has 1 chance unless you've pooled FC gil together for more members to bid.

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

IIRC it's not people, it's auto-clickers for the old method, so that's closer to 0% compared to now, it'd be more fair since everyone has 1 chance unless you've pooled FC gil together for more members to bid.

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Still had more chances with a few auto clickers than 500 "real" people, but okay lol

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Still had more chances with a few auto clickers than 500 "real" people, but okay lol

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I always lost those click battles so while the lotto system isn't perfect, it has done away with having to camp at a plot hoping you beat the auto clickers and bots. I won my P28 mansion in LB like two weeks before DT came out, so many people and FC's were bidding on my plot after they showed off the Country walls and there were over 250 bids too, so it's possible to win.