Disappointed that private individuals can purchase housing plots in 5.35

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

Being on a low population world I might have a chance to score me a house. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone buys a house and goes right into the PF and tries to sell it immediately for Gil. It really wouldn’t surprise me.

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How would they even do that unless they do like a fake fc and sell the house as part of fc?

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Originally Posted by Seddrinth

How would they even do that unless they do like a fake fc and sell the house as part of fc?

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There are a number of people with low level chars and rank 6 fcs who solely use them to buy and resell fcs with houses.

Honestly, I think Housing in general could use some updates. But individuals deserve just as much chance at getting houses as Free Companies, because housing is something really appealing to work towards.

Now having said that, I personally think players should be limited to a single house per server, shared across their characters. In addition, instead of "Personal housing" and "Free Company housing", they should all be privately-owned, and the FC leader simply flags a house to be treated as "FC housing".

That would A) cut down on "selling" Free Companies with houses, and B) limit players to a single house, instead of technically being able to own two (on the same character, no less!).

Honestly, while I like my current house (one of the beach-front ones in the Mist), I'm REALLY excited about Ishgard getting a housing area... whenever that is. I just hope it's a little less... depressing? I'd love a little more "Christmas/winter wonderland" vibe, just my personal preference

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Originally Posted by Nabril

I'll comment about it not being social...
So? What are private individuals supposed to do? All hang out with the entire server in a very crowded Limsa Laminsa at the Aetherite? Yuck! Gross! Listen to the endless spam of the RMT, the stupid competition of who can spam the most annoying emotes, and the awful conversation that is just utter nonsense? No thank you! I like my house and apartment!

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I usually begin and end my "day" in Eulmore where there's no RMT crap, and very little emote spam. When I need to go to Limsa, I just put chat in battle mode to silence all the regular chat garbage. I don't "hang out" anywhere though. When I've done what I need to do, I log off.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Finally, most private individuals already belong to an FC. They already enjoy the content that FC housing brings: such as gardening, airships, and decoration. Allowing them to get another house just for themselves is unfair to FCs who do not have a house yet.

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You can use the garden or decorate in an FC only if the leader lets you, probably with restrictions. You can use a personal house any way you want. As-is, I've been in my FC house about 3 times, just to see what it looks like, but I have no other reason to be there.

My very first house was bought before I was a crafter. I've since lost it due to a break I took. Then, my wife and I got together and bought a second one BEFORE we got serious about crafting.

Put out the damn effort and stop demonizing us who do. This is incredibly dumb and lazy.

Individuals = Not fine
FCs with 1 person = fine

Gotta love the backhanded argument by the OP

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

You can use the garden or decorate in an FC only if the leader lets you, probably with restrictions. You can use a personal house any way you want. As-is, I've been in my FC house about 3 times, just to see what it looks like, but I have no other reason to be there.

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I am a FC leader. I wouldn't feel comfortable allowing EVERYONE having access to decoration and garden. I tend not to trust everyone (learned the hard way).

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Originally Posted by Luna-M

I am a FC leader. I wouldn't feel comfortable allowing EVERYONE having access to decoration and garden. I tend not to trust everyone (learned the hard way).

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I understand this and I agree with this logic. Besides, having many people decorate will only result in conflict and chaos. This is all the more reason player housing is important for individuals who wanna decorate their own space (without being restricted by the tiny space of apartments or FC rooms).

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Originally Posted by Eien713

I understand this and I agree with this logic. Besides, having many people decorate will only result in conflict and chaos. This is all the more reason player housing is important for individuals who wanna decorate their own space (without being restricted by the tiny space of apartments or FC rooms).

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I bought my first fc room because the fc house I was using at the time was horrendously furnished. Too many people had furnishing permissions and this resulted in horribly clashing decor and some criminal clipping. I found it so unpleasant to look at I got myself a fc room to have an indoor space that looked halfway decent.

Also that fc had drama due to too many players having furnishing permissions. Someone started removing furniture without telling anyone and this started a massive fight. We never figured out who did it. I was so thankful that my rank had no furniture permissions so I was left entirely out of that mess. Still wasn't nice to watch though.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

You can use the garden or decorate in an FC only if the leader lets you, probably with restrictions. You can use a personal house any way you want. As-is, I've been in my FC house about 3 times, just to see what it looks like, but I have no other reason to be there.

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You can always join another FC to gain access to content you want.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

You can always join another FC to gain access to content you want.

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Assuming FC leader allow that, it not very common unless you're close to them and or have their trust.
As a FC leader myself I only allow decoration privileges to one of my officers which i known for years.
Garden I allow others upon request but generally it only me who has the interest in it.

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Originally Posted by Luna-M

Assuming FC leader allow that, it not very common unless you're close to them and or have their trust.
As a FC leader myself I only allow decoration privileges to one of my officers which i known for years.
Garden I allow others upon request but generally it only me who has the interest in it.

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That is unfortunate but there are plenty of FCs that allow members to decorate.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

That is unfortunate but there are plenty of FCs that allow members to decorate.

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I would have to see proof of that. Most FC's will have a theme so allowing all members to place or decorate randomly would end up looking disordered and a disaster. Now, certainly, I can see some that may not care, but I do not believe it would be that common. Use of the FC house yes, get your own room yes, the ability to decorate and/or remove whatever you wanted, I suspect is going to be limited

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

The last time new housing wards were available, it was limited to FCs at first and everything was fine. On all but the most populated servers plots remained available for individuals when it's their turn. Now, however, it seems that FCs need to compete with private individuals for housing. Not only is this unjust as it rewards rich individual players with huge amounts of gil and punish FCs with mostly casual players trying to amass their gil together to purchase a house together, we also cannot forget that individual housing are intentionally limited.

They cannot use airships or submersibles because SE decided that there needs to be a penalty to individual housing to disincentivize private players from purchasing them and nudge them towards grouping together in free company housing to enjoy the social aspect of the game. Private housing is anti-social, while free company housing is social. This is one reason why we should be prioritizing free company housing before personal housing.

Furthermore, allowing private housing to go first means it disproportionately rewards private crafters and/or gatherers who have the means to make the most gil, which is unfair to players who are more casual. It might not seem apparent why this is the case at first, but consider this scenario: a medium housing plot goes for sale at 17.5M gil, which is a huge sum of gil for all but the most dedicated of players. A private crafter or gatherer can easily afford that gil, and veteran players who have played this game for years can easily afford that even without crafting/gathering. But to casual players who play this game for a few hours per week, that amount of gil is an extreme cost. Now, an FC with 10 casual players can afford that cost by paying 1.75M gil each, which is more on the affordable side that even most casual players can afford. So if SE allows private individuals to purchase housing at the same time as FCs, that means more casual players who may not have that much gil are disadvantaged while players who are already very rich are advantaged.

Finally, most private individuals already belong to an FC. They already enjoy the content that FC housing brings: such as gardening, airships, and decoration. Allowing them to get another house just for themselves is unfair to FCs who do not have a house yet.

I hope SE will seriously reconsider this decision.

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Why are houses not just instanced? This would SAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE. I know it has been asked before, but the "why" it hasn't been done, has never been answered.

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Originally Posted by SavishSalacious

Why are houses not just instanced? This would SAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE. I know it has been asked before, but the "why" it hasn't been done, has never been answered.

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If you haven't figured it out its the best way to get the a person to stick with a sub. Limit something and put a timer on it so if they cancel their sub, they have a set number of days to return or they loose it. Given the housing is a finite number,you have somewhat of a guarantee that you are going to have a base number of subs. Make it unlimited and there is no incentive to stay subbed.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

The last time new housing wards were available, it was limited to FCs at first and everything was fine. On all but the most populated servers plots remained available for individuals when it's their turn. Now, however, it seems that FCs need to compete with private individuals for housing. Not only is this unjust as it rewards rich individual players with huge amounts of gil and punish FCs with mostly casual players trying to amass their gil together to purchase a house together, we also cannot forget that individual housing are intentionally limited.

They cannot use airships or submersibles because SE decided that there needs to be a penalty to individual housing to disincentivize private players from purchasing them and nudge them towards grouping together in free company housing to enjoy the social aspect of the game. Private housing is anti-social, while free company housing is social. This is one reason why we should be prioritizing free company housing before personal housing.

Furthermore, allowing private housing to go first means it disproportionately rewards private crafters and/or gatherers who have the means to make the most gil, which is unfair to players who are more casual. It might not seem apparent why this is the case at first, but consider this scenario: a medium housing plot goes for sale at 17.5M gil, which is a huge sum of gil for all but the most dedicated of players. A private crafter or gatherer can easily afford that gil, and veteran players who have played this game for years can easily afford that even without crafting/gathering. But to casual players who play this game for a few hours per week, that amount of gil is an extreme cost. Now, an FC with 10 casual players can afford that cost by paying 1.75M gil each, which is more on the affordable side that even most casual players can afford. So if SE allows private individuals to purchase housing at the same time as FCs, that means more casual players who may not have that much gil are disadvantaged while players who are already very rich are advantaged.

Finally, most private individuals already belong to an FC. They already enjoy the content that FC housing brings: such as gardening, airships, and decoration. Allowing them to get another house just for themselves is unfair to FCs who do not have a house yet.

I hope SE will seriously reconsider this decision.

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Extremely valid point, but couldn't they just reduce the price of the plots this time around?

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I would have to see proof of that. Most FC's will have a theme so allowing all members to place or decorate randomly would end up looking disordered and a disaster. Now, certainly, I can see some that may not care, but I do not believe it would be that common. Use of the FC house yes, get your own room yes, the ability to decorate and/or remove whatever you wanted, I suspect is going to be limited

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I've been in a lot of FCs, and there's no single standard. Each was run so differently that I still can't really even determine what "plenty of FCs" do.

That said, I've never seen one that just let anyone decorate a house. I've been in a few that let several people do it, and it was never a problem. For the most part, nobody really even wanted to, and those that did maybe just did minor tweaks here and there, or installed a Wheel Stand because nobody else thought to, or just wanted to set up a new thing they got. I'm sure there are FC's that have tried this and had it blow up in their face. But there are a number of ways players can screw an FC, and this is a minor one.

I was in one where only the top two in the FC could decorate the house, and they just never did so. The house was largely a disaster. I hated going there. They'd have had little to lose letting at least one more rank (which was only a few more people because they also didn't really promote) have decoration privileges.

like i said before if a FC cannot competitive with an individually player for a house then they do not deserve to get a house, seriously, as a player that own a solo FC and get my FC house all by myself, i never understand the cry of other FC that cannot get a FC house even they have more member than mine, just stop to be stinky and give bunch of your FC member a right to purchase house, then send them out for the mission

there is no point to limit the new house buyig for FC before other player, that sound dumb

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Originally Posted by ShariusTC

like i said before if a FC cannot competitive with an individually player for a house then they do not deserve to get a house, seriously, as a player that own a solo FC and get my FC house all by myself, i never understand the cry of other FC that cannot get a FC house even they have more member than mine, just stop to be stinky and give bunch of your FC member a right to purchase house, then send them out for the mission

there is no point to limit the new house buyig for FC before other player, that sound dumb

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FC houses serve a purpose. Solo player houses do not. FCs should absolutely get first dibs.

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Originally Posted by ZattanaWen

FC houses serve a purpose. Solo player houses do not. FCs should absolutely get first dibs.

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sure they does different, but they share the same housing plot, so give someone an advance to get house over other because they are too lazy to get a house for themsevle is unfair for solo player, every should have equal chance in that thing

That first line of your post OP, this is misinformation.

in 5.2 the new wards were available to only FC's AND Private house RELOCATION at the start. So no, it wasn't only FCs.

Still, otherwise i agree. Its just going to be a bumrush for which bots can buy the most houses the quickest. If SE doesn't do exactly what they did last time, suddenly we'll be seeing housing plots for sale being advertised by RMT bots.

The system is terrible, but locking individual players out of it isn't the answer, it just creates different problems.

Until they address single-player FCs' property rights it doesn't make sense to give FCs priority over individual players.

This is not the Housing forum. Please keep discussions like this over in the Housing forum. I come to General Discussion to escape this crap.

I’d prefer it the other way around. Player housing for players. Tired of not being able to get a house because some people who own FCs use them for obscure content.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

I’d prefer it the other way around. Player housing for players. Tired of not being able to get a house because some people who own FCs use them for obscure content.

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I'm a firm believer in everyone (literally everyone) having a chance at a house, so this band-aid fix coming with the next patch is something I support.

I mean.. I don’t mind FCs having a house but the idea that they should get priority never sits well with me. Same with how all the workshop/submarine content is literally never seen by barely anyone asides from the owner/generals of that FC.

I get that they wanted to expand FC content but in that case the gardening and the submarine stuff should be open to all the players in the FC and not just whoever the company says. As it stands they’re gating individual players from ever having more than a small house and even that seems ubobtainable right now.

When I did have a house I enjoyed the gardening side of it. This is being denied to almost every player. FCs imo should really be little more than a chat and should be entirely optional but they decided to gate great buffs and player housing behind it.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

I mean.. I don’t mind FCs having a house but the idea that they should get priority never sits well with me. Same with how all the workshop/submarine content is literally never seen by barely anyone asides from the owner/generals of that FC.

I get that they wanted to expand FC content but in that case the gardening and the submarine stuff should be open to all the players in the FC and not just whoever the company says. As it stands they’re gating individual players from ever having more than a small house and even that seems ubobtainable right now.

When I did have a house I enjoyed the gardening side of it. This is being denied to almost every player. FCs imo should really be little more than a chat and should be entirely optional but they decided to gate great buffs and player housing behind it.

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One problem is that most people are doing FC's wrong.

Ideally, the average FC should be somewhat smallish (<30-40 people). The problem is that this game hemorrhages players, and FCs need to overrecruit just so they can manage half a dozen people on at any given time. The gigantic FCs that max out membership and have 30-40 people online at once....those FCs have nothing to offer most players. Certainly no sense of community, because it's just a bunch of people shouting over each other, and the owners couldn't give less of a toss about the people joining.

With smaller FCs, the chance for everyone to contribute increases. I agree that it'd be nice for everyone to get a chance to do the sub/airship stuff, or the gardening. It'd be great if the FC house offered sort of pseudo-instanced pieces (i.e. everyone has their own garden and whatnot). The sub/airships are costly enough that they're supposed to require the help of a bunch of people from the FC to acquire materials, but in my last FC I pretty much was able to manage all that stuff myself (though in this case it's because literally nobody else wanted to.) And I enjoyed that aspect, and it does bum me out that the FC I'm in currently keeps that stuff out of the hands of all but the top 2-3 people (enough that I've had one foot out the door almost from the day I joined.)

Not to mention they removed the last requirement for collaboration when they let the workshops function with just one person. I actually liked that because it forced us to get other people involved (even if we had to bribe them), and it punished all those phony 1-person FCs that frankly shouldn't be allowed to exist.

As expected, this decision meant that the moment I logged into the game, all the plots are already taken by rich private crafters for their private housing, depriving me and my 9 friends in my FC of housing content.

Considering that there's nothing stopping one account from making eight FCs on each of their different characters on a server and buying up plots outside of gil and luck, I don't think your problem should be with private individuals buying their first house, whether or not they're also in an FC, but with the people who go around bragging about using loopholes to get their 4th.

There are countless reasons someone who is or isn't in an FC might want private housing. There are also countless ways people have abused FC housing to deny them and other first time home owner FCs a shot at owning and decorating a house. Anger should be aimed at the easy to abuse systems in place and the toxic players who want to hoard a limited resource, not some disappointed player who wanted their first plot as badly as you do.

I am disapointed that people could buy a plot and relocate straight away. It made a mess out of everything including for FC's.

You guys are falling for Titanman's alt troll post here. Dude is just trying to get people riled like usual.

Disappointed that private individuals can purchase housing plots in 5.35


Thats a stupid joke. Be Disappointed at SE for this shit show called housing. Look FFXIV got like what around 18mil players thats great nice job btw (its doesnt matter if you loose a couple of them i guess). Anyway all server together its 68 (correct me if im wrong) so it comes down to around 264706 players at each server (if all server were equaly populated) and even its just half of them wanted a house right, it would be 132352 ppl against 5760 avaible plots (60 plots*24 districts* 4 citys). so this housing options was a dogshit idea day 1. But what do i know, ppl complaining about but still paying for it, if it was realy that bad than stop paying for it. its every time the same rage quit post and at the end of the day no one care as long as you pay for you playtime.

Yes, now I have to camp a sign for up to 24 hours and probably get sniped over dinner :(

Personally, I think houses should ONLY be treated as Personal/Individual housing. Allow the FC leader to "tag" a member's house as the "Free Company house", allowing all members to teleport there. However, if that player leaves the FC, they would take their house with them.

It might not sound awesome, but it would alleviate the buying and selling of "Free Companies with houses".

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Originally Posted by Terin

Personally, I think houses should ONLY be treated as Personal/Individual housing. Allow the FC leader to "tag" a member's house as the "Free Company house", allowing all members to teleport there. However, if that player leaves the FC, they would take their house with them.

It might not sound awesome, but it would alleviate the buying and selling of "Free Companies with houses".

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Yeah at this point any solution will be better than none.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Also, no, not everyone in an FC gets to enjoy that content. All of that stuff is usually limited to a small circle of friends at most.

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This.
I am in an FC that does the sub/ship thing for years. Outside of requests for craft materials I've never seen anything worthwhile come of these voyages.

Imho, they are way overrated.