If this game truly listens to it's comunity PLEASE make Viera able to wear head gear!

I do really do not buy much off the mogstation, just wondering does the new equipment that comes on the mogstation also work with Veria or Hothgar? Or is it too soon to tell since the everything put on so far was already in production before they were added.

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Originally Posted by lalin

i was hopeful , but patch notes are out and there is nothing about viera/hrothgar:(

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did you forgot viera/hrothgar mannequins :p /jk

but yeah to be honest THIS is the case where hair (ear) clipping "bug" will help them a lot but they just didnt do it

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Originally Posted by gumas

did you forgot viera/hrothgar mannequins :p /jk

but yeah to be honest THIS is the case where hair (ear) clipping "bug" will help them a lot but they just didnt do it

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Actually i don't know why they bothered with mannequin for viera/hrothgar. I mean you can't even display hats/helms on them...

Because a character is only made out of hats and helmets. It's not like the developers said the new races will come with less usable hats and helmets...oh wait...they did! Always fun to see when players start to cry and demanding change on stuff that was clear before they bought into it.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Because a character is only made out of hats and helmets. It's not like the developers said the new races will come with less usable hats and helmets...oh wait...they did! Always fun to see when players start to cry and demanding change on stuff that was clear before they bought into it.

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It's also not like they said they knew it was an issue and would work to alleviate it, right? Oh wait, they did.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Because a character is only made out of hats and helmets.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

It's also not like they said they knew it was an issue and would work to alleviate it, right? Oh wait, they did.

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It's not like they haven't done so or have established a time period to do it. Oh wait, there were headgear modified for Hroth and Viera, and they haven't said how long they'd take to do it.

As usual, a case of players crying "I want X NOW!!"

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

It's not like they haven't done so or have established a time period to do it. Oh wait, there were headgear modified for Hroth and Viera, and they haven't said how long they'd take to do it.

As usual, a case of players crying "I want X NOW!!"

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Where did I say they missed a deadline? I don't even personally care about hats as much as more hairstyles, but the poster was referring to the races coming out at launch with less. Duh, we knew that. It's August 2020 now and even before COVID they've done zip.

Asking them to shed some light on development and when we might expect something after a year isn't unreasonable. They could simply say we're working on it and it's been delayed and hope to have something for you by 5.xx. Would that be so terrible? Not addressing it at all is just disappointing to many of us who love the races and would like to see some additions.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Asking them to shed some light on development and when we might expect something after a year isn't unreasonable. They could simply say we're working on it and it's been delayed and hope to have something for you by 5.xx. Would that be so terrible? Not addressing it at all is just disappointing to many of us who love the races and would like to see some additions.

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No-no, that's exactly the same as throwing yourself on the floor and having a tantrum because we can't have it today. Apparently. :confused:

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

It's not like they haven't done so or have established a time period to do it. Oh wait, there were headgear modified for Hroth and Viera, and they haven't said how long they'd take to do it.

As usual, a case of players crying "I want X NOW!!"

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Yeah, don't tell your summoner friends about the egi that they promised in 3.5, 4.0 and still nothing as of today. Phew, SQEX really dodge one there!

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Originally Posted by Dalmacus

Yeah, don't tell your summoner friends about the egi that they promised in 3.5, 4.0 and still nothing as of today. Phew, SQEX really dodge one there!

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Well they never established a time period to do it in, so it's perfectly fine!

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

i feel like if they were gonna add it they would actually advertise it, like as a point, rather than just slipping it in. Or at least show it off more, it is pretty heavily requested. I'd laugh if they would just casually slip it in a patch. :p

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yoshida would take a portion of the live letter talking about stickers / butts or even random things but never about the issue with hrothgar/viera , yes they would say we are working on it .. and that's it i don't think the ffxiv team are taking this issue seriously since it's not gameplay related , so if we ever get anything we will know through the live letter . but i hope i am wrong :(

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Because a character is only made out of hats and helmets. It's not like the developers said the new races will come with less usable hats and helmets...oh wait...they did! Always fun to see when players start to cry and demanding change on stuff that was clear before they bought into it.

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well if you don't know yoshida DID say that these two races will be getting new stuff and also yoshid NEVER said that these two races will not have the mogstation hairstyles < we only knew after we got the races and tried it for ourselves :)
i also don't understand why are you so mad about it ? if people want to cry so the devs can hear us and fix this problem let them cry it won't affect you in anyway will it? :D

I wonder how many would be bothered by the resulting clipping issues if they just implemented the headgear wholesale. Can't imagine a scenario where people would be okay if the ears were hidden since you would otherwise just be playing as an elezen. Legit curious. If you play a bunny let me know, would you accept getting headgear if there was clipping issues that resulted?

Considering how much already clips anyway? I'm fine with it. It'd just be like trying to find something on my Miqo'te that doesn't clip too horribly with her tail.

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Originally Posted by Osteichthyes

I wonder how many would be bothered by the resulting clipping issues if they just implemented the headgear wholesale. Can't imagine a scenario where people would be okay if the ears were hidden since you would otherwise just be playing as an elezen. Legit curious. If you play a bunny let me know, would you accept getting headgear if there was clipping issues that resulted?

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They seem to be fine letting some pretty important equipment like artifact gear clip like crazy, and just about everything else besides, so that ship has already sailed.

They edit hats/helmets sometimes to go around features like Au ra horns
https://i.imgur.com/HbNTMgH.png
Adjusted so the horns wouldn't clip; if you understand how it would clip how the female Roegadyn has it.
They could do the same edits on Viera hats (making them smaller/larger on Viera to work around things a little bit).
Clipping is not a really good excuse, I'd rather they say they don't have the time to do it than look for cheap excuses like "it would look weird on Viera heads." What looks weird to one person looks great to another. What's really bizarre to me is the Shadowbringers situation, they should've been adjusting those on Viera/Hrothgar, and stuff like Mogstation hats/helmets.

Like I get that making older gear would take more time to get it all, but new headgear should 100% always be made for all races barring gender locks. That would be like not making Miqo'te not have access to new leg gear because tail clipping and saying YOLO, its old content now, not fixing it.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

They edit hats/helmets sometimes to go around features like Au ra horns
https://i.imgur.com/HbNTMgH.png
Adjusted so the horns wouldn't clip; if you understand how it would clip how the female Roegadyn has it.
They could do the same edits on Viera hats (making them smaller/larger on Viera to work around things a little bit).
Clipping is not a really good excuse, I'd rather they say they don't have the time to do it than look for cheap excuses like "it would look weird on Viera heads." What looks weird to one person looks great to another. What's really bizarre to me is the Shadowbringers situation, they should've been adjusting those on Viera/Hrothgar, and stuff like Mogstation hats/helmets.

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Well, you know how when you put your hand on the top of the head of a rabbit their ears actually lay back? They could do it here with all the hats/helms. Upon equipping hats/helm their ears will be sticking down backwards of the hats/helm at the back instead. Irregardless of the ear types of course.

What I find surprising is that the newly added headpieces aren't modeled for Viera and/or Hrothgar. The huge backlog of pieces I can understand, but you'd think they'd at least make the new stuff ready for all since they're already working on them.

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Originally Posted by CocoAthaela

What I find surprising is that the newly added headpieces aren't modeled for Viera and/or Hrothgar. The huge backlog of pieces I can understand, but you'd think they'd at least make the new stuff ready for all since they're already working on them.

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Yeah, that is super annoying. I hoped new items would work at least.

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Originally Posted by Osteichthyes

If you play a bunny let me know, would you accept getting headgear if there was clipping issues that resulted?

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Yeah? Like 70% of anything I can equip clips. Sometimes with itself.

I mean...the developers said they will add more stuff over time for the new races. That was a public statement way before we were able to create Viera and Hrothgar. Now crying about this is like buying icecream with a flavour you hate and then crying about that, was clear before and it's clear now they will do that stuff over time. If you can't deal with that play Miqo'te or any other race.

they always said it would be handles at a later date but it seems like they're always consistently behind on everything that cosmetics is getting the shaft repeatedly.
Considering almost everything new is unusable too they're just making the mountain bigger for themselves by not reducing the backlog at all at regular intervals

new hairstyles all being unusable is even worse than new headgear though imo
if you cant even manage to do the necessary modifications on stuff being currently created... may as well just send fantasias to everyone and remove the races with an apology. Second class citizens in an mmo is some really weird stuff

Could be bedcause we have a giant corona crisis going on and they actually need to focus on stuff that affects all players like msq etc.

Naaah, i know that sounds absurd, why would they focus on the maingame instead of on some stuff they said they do later but didn't gave people a date cause maybe they knew it takes time and other stuff is more important.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Could be bedcause we have a giant corona crisis going on and they actually need to focus on stuff that affects all players like msq etc.

Naaah, i know that sounds absurd, why would they focus on the maingame instead of on some stuff they said they do later but didn't gave people a date cause maybe they knew it takes time and other stuff is more important.

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Nowhere did they state that content was cut out because of corona
Instead what they said was that they had to delay the patch for 2 months (more like 2.5 months).

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Originally Posted by Osteichthyes

If you play a bunny let me know, would you accept getting headgear if there was clipping issues that resulted?

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Absolutely, if my dress can slice a horse in half and 1 of the hairstyles specifically made to fit for, and on, Viera stabs through my collarbone I'm not worried about ear clipping. I'm also not even super against hiding the ears in certain hats, but I can see why they won't go that route as we don't have any other immediately identifying features.

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Originally Posted by tdb

How many weeks would you like the next content patch to be delayed so Viera headgear can be modeled and added to the game?

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Instead of redesigning all the headgear to fit, just use the existing models for Elezen and let the ears clip through the headgear, or disappear the ears when wearing them. (player choice)

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

Instead of redesigning all the headgear to fit, just use the existing models for Elezen and let the ears clip through the headgear, or disappear the ears when wearing them. (player choice)

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They could tie it to the visor "table" in the database/server. Visor on = hides the ears, Visor off = shows ears clipping through. That would satisfy the people who die if they see clipping and those who understand we're playing Clipping Fantasy XIV.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Could be bedcause we have a giant corona crisis going on and they actually need to focus on stuff that affects all players like msq etc.

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I don't think that was part of it, at least not at the start. They probably had some chances to add a couple more before the world went to crap but they didn't. Now? Yeah, there's probably no chance if they continue to be 2 months behind for the foreseeable future. Because of current events, I get it. Like someone said though, by NOT adding current items to the list of things Viera/Hrothgar can wear, they are only pushing themselves further behind than they are already.

All about the "Glam" before the game. Dev's precious attention could be spent elsewhere. If cosmetics are a priority for you, feel free to disagree.

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Originally Posted by Nolan-VersaillesOdinFFXI

All about the "Glam" before the game. Dev's precious attention could be spent elsewhere. If cosmetics are a priority for you, feel free to disagree.

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Agree. Seems that this is more of a dress-up doll game for many.

We don't have any data (marketing resources) as to what matters most to paying FFXIV subscribers, only Square enix knows. But just from a very basic analysis of the forum and reddit (countless of glamour/gpose based posts) you'll notice how important the dress-up doll aspect of the game is. For me personally it's up there with the category called "content accessibility."

I played Viera for a while and I loved it. I’m also a glam lover, I must confess.
I perfectly understand the ressource consuming issue to adapt the old stuff. We were warned about this, fair enough.

But as so many people underlined it already, it’s not normal for new haircuts and new gears. By doing this, I felt kind of “punished” for playing Viera. Let’s not talk about Mogstation items...
And they are adding much work on their backs for the future, Vahlnir has got a valid point here.

Just wanted to bring this back to say that Viera can wear the DRG helmet that drops in the new 5.3 dungeon. So we got something lmao. I don't have a picture, but it covers our whole head and just our ears clip through.

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Originally Posted by jetfire117

Just wanted to bring this back to say that Viera can wear the DRG helmet that drops in the new 5.3 dungeon. So we got something lmao. I don't have a picture, but it covers our whole head and just our ears clip through.

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That dropped for me, thought it was really weird that I could see it. I wonder if they just forgot to force-hide it for Viera? Hot-fix incoming lol.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

That dropped for me, thought it was really weird that I could see it. I wonder if they just forgot to force-hide it for Viera? Hot-fix incoming lol.

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Can you imagine? That's when I'll know that we can probably wear a lot of headgear but they don't want us too for some reason lol.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

That dropped for me, thought it was really weird that I could see it. I wonder if they just forgot to force-hide it for Viera? Hot-fix incoming lol.

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Is it this one?

https://i.redd.it/xfncc6yekfg51.png

(credit to u/Puzzleheaded_Sorbet on Reddit, if they care)

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Is it this one?

https://i.redd.it/xfncc6yekfg51.png

(credit to u/Puzzleheaded_Sorbet on Reddit, if they care)

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Viera get a helmet that actually works... and it's butt ugly!

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Viera get a helmet that actually works... and it's butt ugly!

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I don't love the design either, just surprised it actually shows. People in the thread were arguing face masks and crowns always worked, but this looks like it's supposed to cover the top too yet Viera can wear it.

More generally though I don't think it looks much worse than Au Ra horns sticking through helmets.