SCH need buffs

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

All that you end up doing is throwing them at Energy Drain, is that really all that fun?

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Like Broil III, just pressing ED several times in a row times in a row isn't all that fun. But it was something, desperately something. When we had the choice between Lustrate and Indom vs. ED and Bane with Sacred Soil being the wild card I found myself trying to plan ahead about it's usage in packs. Falls quite flat on bosses, but now the balance on "use it for healing or damage/mp regen" is disproportionate toward healing. Excog and Sacred Soil always gets a Stack each every AF minute for just how much they heal and in solo or situations you are on top of falls down to pressing ED three times in a row.

The same reason I liked the idea of having two gauges: Fey Dawn and Fey Dusk, one for Eos (healing, Fey Blessing and Union) and one for Selene, that you could spend on offence or buffs. Both would increase by 10 from AF use, but Dusk Fey would also increase with Broils and dot ticks. So you could get Dusk faster but also spend it quicker while Dawn was as we have now. I discarded the thought because then our current gauge would still be at 100% most of the time.

So would rather that tie into Aetherflow usage being a choice, tough or easy depending on the situation, and add things like spend an AF that has no benefit other than give 50 Fey Gauge, and then of course also add something to spend it on faster. Like Eos and Selene used to be, let every resource at our disposal have some direct opposites.

It is the idea that we would have as many healing choices as damage or utility choices per AF stack that at first glance it's obvious you save them for healing going in first time and the damage/utility for solo. But then as repetition sets in you start finding usage for the damage/utility in packs and on bosses as you grow on the job.

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Originally Posted by Sloprano

Like Broil III, just pressing ED several times in a row times in a row isn't all that fun. But it was something, desperately something. When we had the choice between Lustrate and Indom vs. ED and Bane with Sacred Soil being the wild card I found myself trying to plan ahead about it's usage in packs. Falls quite flat on bosses, but now the balance on "use it for healing or damage/mp regen" is disproportionate toward healing. Excog and Sacred Soil always gets a Stack each every AF minute for just how much they heal and in solo or situations you are on top of falls down to pressing ED three times in a row.

The same reason I liked the idea of having two gauges: Fey Dawn and Fey Dusk, one for Eos (healing, Fey Blessing and Union) and one for Selene, that you could spend on offence or buffs. Both would increase by 10 from AF use, but Dusk Fey would also increase with Broils and dot ticks. So you could get Dusk faster but also spend it quicker while Dawn was as we have now. I discarded the thought because then our current gauge would still be at 100% most of the time.

So would rather that tie into Aetherflow usage being a choice, tough or easy depending on the situation, and add things like spend an AF that has no benefit other than give 50 Fey Gauge, and then of course also add something to spend it on faster. Like Eos and Selene used to be, let every resource at our disposal have some direct opposites.

It is the idea that we would have as many healing choices as damage or utility choices per AF stack that at first glance it's obvious you save them for healing going in first time and the damage/utility for solo. But then as repetition sets in you start finding usage for the damage/utility in packs and on bosses as you grow on the job.

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I still think that it's more fun than spamming Broil, especially since you can weave it since it's an OGCD.
But it's not a fun choice to make imo and it also costs a healing spell.

Even if you don't need to heal and keep spamming Grace on WHM it doesn't cost a healing spell and still deals more damage than Misery, but if you do use your healing spells then it still leads up to Misery ( which is also an AoE ability on top of that too ) + you have Assize.
That's more interesting at least imo than how Energy Drain works now.

At least with two stacks, one defensive and one offensive it'd be guaranteed damage and something that you could weave in and then the choice could still be there if the defensive ones were consumed afterwards by Energy Drain.

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

I'm against it because I like risk and reward gameplay. Do I risk this energy drain to get more damage + getting more mana or do I save it for an indom? And no, I don't think current SCH is fun, I think it's boring as hell with the changes they've made and have been VERY vocal about it. Taking away what little risk it still has left is a terrible idea.

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Well, we disagree on that.
I think that my suggestion would speed things up a little and make SCH more involved even if just a little.
And with my second suggestion that the Defensive ones could still be consumed the choice and risk would still be there.
You'd simply have 3 guaranteed for Energy Drain and 3 that could be used on both Energy Drain and healing like the ones we have now. Basically 3 new ones on top of the ones we have now, but offensive only.
Even if you keep spamming Grace you're not actually giving up on a charge that can be used for healing, but if you use Energy Drain then you do.
And the choice that is presented isn't really that interesting to begin with imo.

Scholar's performance is fine. What we need back is our old gameplay. I miss micromanaging Lily and having an actual DPS rotation.

I was a sch main and was so until shB. I hate the class now... they've removed the unique traits for eos and Selene. Basically stupefied our ability to do damage with the removal of all the Dots but one. Sch is so boring and underpowered now that I can't even bring my self to play it at all. Shadowflare gone... miasma gone... and all the fun.

I'll throw in my two cents:

For anyone who is struggling with MP on a scholar: You are doing it wrong.
For anyone who is bored with scholar and thinks it has nothing to do and it's boring: You're doing it wrong and obviously not utilizing all of your faeries abilities.

SO many times as a tank main I was AFRAID every single time I had a scholar in my group. I was constantly low on HP having to heal myself (Paladin)
I was having to use CD's when I shouldn't have had to use them just to keep from dying.
I feared for my pixel life on trash pulls (NOT pulling multiple groups at the same time. Just one trash pack.)

There's nothing wrong with scholar other than maybe its cast time needs to be reduced for broil and the damage needs to be increased both on it and the dot. I'd like to see another dot be given back to them or an instant cast damage ability with a short CD to weave inbetween broils and energy drain.

If you're having trouble healing on a scholar or keeping MP: I still stand by my statement, you are SORELY doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by Angellos

For anyone who is bored with scholar and thinks it has nothing to do and it's boring: You're doing it wrong and obviously not utilizing all of your faeries abilities.

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I think you missed the point behind the complaints of sch being boring. Basically, if you use your faerie properly you pretty much have nothing else to do but mash your one dps button (which is the boring part).

Also for the love of what's good on this earth. Don't heal yourself constantly as a paladin, you aren't doing anyone a service, especially not your healer. Just die/wipe and let your healer readjust. If the healer is seriously struggling non-stop then yeah, either heal or pull smaller, but that's usually pretty rare. Besides, if you're low on HP and still have the time to cast a heal on yourself then you probably weren't in great danger in the first place. You can bet that if my tank heals himself for no good reason I'll just let him do it and heal even less.
Not saying you don't have good reason, but too often do I see tanks freak out because they're sitting at 40% HP.

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Originally Posted by Angellos

I'll throw in my two cents:

There's nothing wrong with scholar other than maybe its cast time needs to be reduced for broil and the damage needs to be increased both on it and the dot. I'd like to see another dot be given back to them or an instant cast damage ability with a short CD to weave inbetween broils and energy drain.

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We dont need reduced cast time because we have ruin 2 for weaving.
What is the point of ruin 2 if you can weave ogcd in every broil?

If you increase SCH damage it will move the complain to WHM like in SB because people will prefer AST + SCH combo.
Currently, healer is in a good balance compared to WH or SB.
We just need QOL improvement for our fairy.

In the end, being mechanically sound/functional or accessible doesn't mean sweet FA if its about as fun as watching paint dry on an ugly wall.

Sure people have their various visions for what something should be; but I simply don't entertain that the current vision can possibly be that for anyone. In most cases I think people who are happy with the so called 'accessibility' now are mixing up the satisfaction of it being 'shallow and easy' with it being distinct and thematic. If something is so stripped down that if you dropped the scholar title and dressed it differently; it could practically be anything at all, you've gone and goofed to an epic level. Why even call it scholar, or assign any real notion of it being the tactical thinking persons job? There's more thinking to be done, in going to the bathroom at this point for goodness sakes.

For someone like me (who plays various titles rather than complain too much 'most' of the time); I think current scholar will be my example for a long time, of dumbing down gone way too far. You can't toss out a playstyle that was ingrained into a community both practically and with lore support - and then say 'hey enjoy your brainless 1 button festival hurr durr'. Fortunately the pain on the Japanese forums is real, so if anyone gets a bone from all this it should be you. Assuming SE have the fortitude to eat humble pie before the healer demographic becomes a ghost town ofcourse.

Never underestimate those who like a challenge or to push a class. Because its actually those who give beginners something to aspire to be. Something all too readily overlooked in the genre - and with Yoshi P saying he wants new players to see vets 'flying around' in rebuilt ARR as inspiration; something he should bare in mind. For it is the healer mindset (persona), that best lends to the types of people he would want flying around in the first place.

After reading all 9 pages of complaints I decided to do 1 single expert roulette as healer 481ilvl, as alt as it gets. SCH.

While healing wasn't difficult, it wasn't fun either. I tried to find out what about it was not fun, was it too easy ? too homogenized ? yes, yes it was.

So I decided to start using only Physik to heal that should make things more fun..right? well..Broil, Physik, broil, physik, you get my point.

No matter how much they buff, no matter how much they change things it will still be a boring chore, that's what healing is, a chore.

I tried to like it I really did, and it wasn't that it's not effective...it's that you are playing the game with training wheels, I was standing in aoes just so I had a reason to use my lustrates (and because I'm uninterested in DF mechanics).

I knew it wasn't going to be a great time but I didn't know it was going to be thaaat not great of a time.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

I knew it wasn't going to be a great time but I didn't know it was going to be thaaat not great of a time.

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Now take your long term main player, envision their repeats ad nauseam and you have the rationale behind none of my SCH friends even playing the game anymore. Ain't it fun.

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Originally Posted by Mindiori

Now take your long term main player, envision their repeats ad nauseam and you have the rationale behind none of my SCH friends even playing the game anymore. Ain't it fun.

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It's me but I only play Scholar because I don't trust anyone else to heal and WHM's aesthetic is trash.

Well I'm certainly no career healer (more like the slave of a few lol) but even I found SCH fun once. A big stress on the 'once'. Can't even really bring myself to bother anymore. Sure, some will find me melodramatic on that front but what can I say. I'm easily bored by things that are shallow, even if that depth can be considered superfluous sometimes, its still a whole lot better than the thumb twiddling, might as well just watch netflix set up, that we seem to have now.

I could say against myself, that as a non-heals main that I simply happen to clash with the new 'heals only' ideal. But then I look around, see so many who seem to share the idea that eliminating DPS fails to address the fact that full healing isn't even close to realized here yet and shake my head. I have this feeling that either they revert the simplification to an extent, or lose too many subs the next time before they manage to get this new system going. The design just isn't built into the game well enough to warrant heal strain. If it was, we'd just have a whole new gen of accessibility complaints until the only heals on offer was like it is in those 'other' titles. A odd passive heal here and there and using pots. No trinity needed.

To put it into perspective for non-Scholar players, most of us want our old playstyle back. And what this entails is thusly.

1) Faerie management, Eos and Selene used to have different abilities and their own GCD that we had to manage in tandem with our own for maximum effectiveness. Targeted embraces were a thing of beauty, and Whispering Dawn/Fey Illumination were much more responsive at the time because of this. We also used to have neat utility once upon a time in the form of Fey Covenant, which was raid-wide magic mitigation via Eos.

2) Our dots were an integral part of our playstyle and a huge part of what kept Scholar interesting in the ridiculous amount of downtime this game promoted: It was a game of managing multiple timers for various different iterations of dots. I was personally fondest of this in Heavensward when we had everything from Thunder and Aero to Miasma 2 and could spread our dots with Bane. Though I will say points in Stormblood's favour, because using miasma 2 for weaving in Stormblood was probably an unintentional stroke of brilliance on SE's part. I think I speak for everyone when I say that the majority of Scholar players want this back the most.

3) Shields used to scale much higher. This is just a consequence of how big numbers have gotten and kind of overlaps with Astro, but shielding, in general, has become a lot less valuable with each expansion. We also can't spread Critlos anymore, which sucks - and SE knows that it sucks. This was only changed because of shield to get LB cheese on fights like Omega Savage.

If I forgot anything, feel free to tack it on. I just know my major pain points with the class. In all, it's fair to say that Old Scholar was a deep, complex animal - and it was considered one of the best-designed jobs in the game for a reason.

People who cry for buffs usually haven’t dedicated the time to study and actually learn that jobs full capabilities. I’m sure it felt good to rant though. Forum therapy ftw

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Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

People who cry for buffs usually haven’t dedicated the time to study and actually learn that jobs full capabilities. I’m sure it felt good to rant though. Forum therapy ftw

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Most of the people on the thread and on the healer forums in general, aren't even asking for buffs, they're just asking to not be bored out of their skull with a class that has nothing to do but spam 1 button.

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Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

People who cry for buffs usually haven’t dedicated the time to study and actually learn that jobs full capabilities. I’m sure it felt good to rant though. Forum therapy ftw

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This forum is complaining about gameplay. Every single one of these threads has been purely about the regression healers have gone through in the name of balance. Healers are perfectly balanced right now. That isn’t the problem. Numbers are easy to adjust anyways. The problem, through and through, is healers are bored, and leaving because of it.

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Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

People who cry for buffs usually haven’t dedicated the time to study and actually learn that jobs full capabilities. I’m sure it felt good to rant though. Forum therapy ftw

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Has to be amongst the most hilarious drivel I've read lately sheesh. What 'full capabilities' would someone need to learn and study exactly? The job is so gutted its about as difficult as wiping your nose. If you need to dedicate time to the current SCH or most of the other dumbed down classes in any capacity at all, then you are simply cognitively impaired or heavily agenda biased. We are talking about MMO roles in a game for goodness sakes, not composing for the philharmonic. I've had friends who played scholar from the start truly 'rant' (and justly so I believe) and they would be in place to know it inside and out. Not maining something, isn't quite the same as being out in the real world and not having the same academic degree someone else does lol. Sorry but do keep some perspective. Even the better games of this generation are pretty tame compared to the effort involved and muscle memory of the pre-naga generation. I mean I had to effectively touch type with no global cooldown 10 years ago. A far more 'hardcore' experience if we must resort to that, than the laughing stock you call difficult today.

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Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

People who cry for buffs usually haven’t dedicated the time to study and actually learn that jobs full capabilities. I’m sure it felt good to rant though. Forum therapy ftw

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I can't tell if you're responding to me, so I'll simply ask - did you even read the majority of posts from dedicated scholar players? Because if you did, your reading comprehension needs work.

They at the very least need a better AOE. Shadow Flare or Miasma II (maybe renamed) are miles better than Art of War which is underwhelming compared to Distant Casting Gravity or Stunning Holy, and healers being that close to trash isn’t good.

For real give us shadow flare back

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Shadow Flare or Miasma II (maybe renamed) are miles better than Art of War

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I see this quite a bit and it's not really true.

Miasma II - 100 potency instant damage plus 4 ticks of 25 potency damage over time totaling 200 potency per target but only the 100 potency can be spammed. It's effectively 125 potency per cast if spammed (slightly less due to GCD and server tick being not quite equal.) Combined with Shadowflare at 50 potency per tick for 5 ticks it bumps it up to 175 effective potency per tick (again, slightly less due to server tick vs. GCD.)
Art of War - 160 potency instant damage that is 100% spammable.

Art of War is objectively better than Miasma II on its own. The combination of Shadowflare and Miasma II is better than Art of War dps-wise, but only barely and the main advantage to the two old spells being that there's a ticking 75 potency that keeps going if you take a GCD to heal. Miles better they are not, however. When you add in Bane is when it becomes miles better (which frankly was what made Scholars OP in all previous expansions.) That said, I definitely miss the Bane/Miasma/Shadowflare days because it was interesting to play. The actual issue with Art of War (and all healer DPS kits these days) is that it is the only GCD button we press during AoE barring the very occasional GCD heal that needs to go out. Single target adds in Biolysis but that's a single button press once every 30s and it's back to Broil spam. It's boring. We're not asking for a full rotation kit like a DPS or even like a tank, but something more than one spell to spam and one DoT would be nice. Energy Drain sort of helps, but while ideally it gets used as a DPS ability it's often spent on healing instead.

P.S. they already did rename Miasma II: it's called Art of War now. If they brought Miasma II back in some form it would likely just be Art of War with an added DoT and reduced up-front potency.

P.P.S. Art of War isn't that bad compared to the other healer versions. It has more potency (they only do 140) and is instant cast allowing for very easy use of all the oGCD abilities that Scholar has. AST with all of it's oGCDs can only do that for 25% of the time and WHM will always clip oGCDs when Holy spamming even when using their haste buff since it reduces both the cast and recast equally.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

I see this quite a bit and it's not really true.

Miasma II - 100 potency instant damage plus 4 ticks of 25 potency damage over time totaling 200 potency per target but only the 100 potency can be spammed. It's effectively 125 potency per cast if spammed (slightly less due to GCD and server tick being not quite equal.) Combined with Shadowflare at 50 potency per tick for 5 ticks it bumps it up to 175 effective potency per tick (again, slightly less due to server tick vs. GCD.)
Art of War - 160 potency instant damage that is 100% spammable.

Art of War is objectively better than Miasma II on its own. The combination of Shadowflare and Miasma II is better than Art of War dps-wise, but only barely and the main advantage to the two old spells being that there's a ticking 75 potency that keeps going if you take a GCD to heal. Miles better they are not, however. When you add in Bane is when it becomes miles better (which frankly was what made Scholars OP in all previous expansions.) That said, I definitely miss the Bane/Miasma/Shadowflare days because it was interesting to play. The actual issue with Art of War (and all healer DPS kits these days) is that it is the only GCD button we press during AoE barring the very occasional GCD heal that needs to go out. Single target adds in Biolysis but that's a single button press once every 30s and it's back to Broil spam. It's boring. We're not asking for a full rotation kit like a DPS or even like a tank, but something more than one spell to spam and one DoT would be nice. Energy Drain sort of helps, but while ideally it gets used as a DPS ability it's often spent on healing instead.

P.S. they already did rename Miasma II: it's called Art of War now. If they brought Miasma II back in some form it would likely just be Art of War with an added DoT and reduced up-front potency.

P.P.S. Art of War isn't that bad compared to the other healer versions. It has more potency (they only do 140) and is instant cast allowing for very easy use of all the oGCD abilities that Scholar has. AST with all of it's oGCDs can only do that for 25% of the time and WHM will always clip oGCDs when Holy spamming even when using their haste buff since it reduces both the cast and recast equally.

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The main thing that made Miasma II better is that it had single target applications as well as aoe. In single target it was better to weave with M2 over Ruin II, but it had the risk of A) you needing to get closer and B) more Mana cost. It added on SCH's risk/reward gameplay, something Art of War does not replicate in the slightest.

I think the worst part about AoW, if it were added on top of what SCH already had, I'd have said it was a great addition. Spamming a dot in AoE situations never felt right, and art of war would have fixed that. The problem is that it wasn't added on top, it outright replaced everything.

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

The main thing that made Miasma II better is that it had single target applications as well as aoe. In single target it was better to weave with M2 over Ruin II, but it had the risk of A) you needing to get closer and B) more Mana cost. It added on SCH's risk/reward gameplay, something Art of War does not replicate in the slightest.

I think the worst part about AoW, if it were added on top of what SCH already had, I'd have said it was a great addition. Spamming a dot in AoE situations never felt right, and art of war would have fixed that. The problem is that it wasn't added on top, it outright replaced everything.

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This,

Also, don't forget Miasma II was 200 pot against the 260 from broil II making it a better weaving tool than the current iteration of ruin II, and on single target required you to pay closer attention to the timers as a result. Add the melee flavor to it and it overall had more depth than AoW. I was actually expecting them to double down on sch as the melee healer but alas I was sorely disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

The main thing that made Miasma II better is that it had single target applications as well as aoe. In single target it was better to weave with M2 over Ruin II, but it had the risk of A) you needing to get closer and B) more Mana cost. It added on SCH's risk/reward gameplay, something Art of War does not replicate in the slightest.

I think the worst part about AoW, if it were added on top of what SCH already had, I'd have said it was a great addition. Spamming a dot in AoE situations never felt right, and art of war would have fixed that. The problem is that it wasn't added on top, it outright replaced everything.

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A thing to remember, it looks like they didn't want any healer to have AoE DoT's. Also taken away was Bane from Sch and Aero III from WHM that were AoE DoT's. It wasn't just SCH that lost AoE DoT and the only healer that didn't was AST.

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Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia

A thing to remember, it looks like they didn't want any healer to have AoE DoT's. Also taken away was Bane from Sch and Aero III from WHM that were AoE DoT's. It wasn't just SCH that lost AoE DoT and the only healer that didn't was AST.

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Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. Taking away Aero III from WHM was just as stupid as taking away miasma II, miasma, and bane from SCH

Scholar needs new dps actions and buffed

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. Taking away Aero III from WHM was just as stupid as taking away miasma II, miasma, and bane from SCH

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I won't argue that. Would have made more sense to give AST an AoE DoT instead. Nice seeing a SCH main say that for a change instead of "they gave us WHM rotation" which is entirely false with WHM losing Aero III. WHM and AST also lost DoTS in SB when Aero II and Combust II just became upgrades, similar to Miasma's potency being put into a single DoT on SCH.

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Originally Posted by Jadeconl

Scholar needs new dps actions and buffed

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Scholar needs its heart and brain given back so that it just has some damn diversity and personality. But then on their current track, you could say that for half the classes they braniac'd in the expac lol.

Hi all,

wanted to share my thoughts about the job as well.
I am newcomer to ShB, main SCH, more of a casual player, but I aim to do good what I do.
SCH is my favourite job, the idea of preventing and mitigating damage corresponds to me very well... but it definitely should be in many aspects reworked.
My main claims are these three:

Claim 1: as many have said in this very thread before, it would be nice to have some, at least minimal, DPS rotation. Not Bio > broil 3 > broil > broil > broil > ...

Claim 2: Eos and Selene should act differently, otherwise it is just plain... weird. Why have two fairies when they are exactly the same?
Or, if it _is_ just a glamour for fairy, then, I don't know... add 5-6 another coloured versions...

And Claim 3, most important: after level 52 and Indom Scholar doesn't really get any new interesting healing spells.
Almost all of the new abilities and mechanics are just extensions or augmentations of the old ones.
Deployment/Emergency - are they new? No, they just improve efficiency of Adlo/Succor.
Dissipation? No, it has no value on its own, it just gives you more Lustrates/Indoms/whatever.
Excog - that one is new.
Chain Stratagem - new, but rather plain and not healing.
Aetherpact - 50/50, it is kinda new, but it really is just empowered micro-ed Embrace.
Recitation - No, it just improves old spells.
Fey Blessing - No, it is Indom No. 2.
Seraph things - No, it is improved ol' fairy and Indom No. 3.

Is there really no chance for some interesting, brand new healing mechanic? Is it so hard to think it up? I can imagine a lot of interesting variants right away. E.g.:
- A healing/shielding spell that ticks when teammate moves, the more and faster the stronger the heal...
- A spell that randomly places healing AoEs around, which activate and heal/shield upon touching them...
- A spell that gives a fat chunck of shields but absolutely no healing...
- An ability that for some time heals team to the % of damage you deal... or vice versa, that damages enemies to the % of HP you heal...
- A healing spell with undefined cast time that will be cast when you move, and heals/shields proportionally to the time you spent on it...

I don't want to say that I want exactly those, no. I'm just giving an example that tons of interesting spells still can be invented and introduced.
They will require testing and balancing, of course - but I would like very much to see something like this on Scholar.

And small additional Claim 4: why, oh why during the whole long ShB storyline, where a lot of content is associated with faerie folk, not a single darn cutscene is altered when you play Scholar? =( Not even a bit? Is it really okay, Square Enix? =(

A question to the raiding Scholars in this forum: What use has Aetherpact in Eden savage? Or the fairy gauge in general? Beside the Fey Blessing I just dont get this Gauge to a good use in E6S. Beside that, Aether Pact just feels in general way too weak for being something like the ultimate skill in a Scholar's Toolbar.

Dont you think that too ? Are you happy with Aetherpact/Fairy Gauge?

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Originally Posted by Talec

A question to the raiding Scholars in this forum: What use has Aetherpact in Eden savage? Or the fairy gauge in general? Beside the Fey Blessing I just dont get this Gauge to a good use in E6S. Beside that, Aether Pact just feels in general way too weak for being something like the ultimate skill in a Scholar's Toolbar.

Dont you think that too ? Are you happy with Aetherpact/Fairy Gauge?

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Honestly, it has uses, but, I have to remind myself I have it. Most of the time it sits on full because I can't think of a good use for it.

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Originally Posted by Talec

A question to the raiding Scholars in this forum: What use has Aetherpact in Eden savage? Or the fairy gauge in general? Beside the Fey Blessing I just dont get this Gauge to a good use in E6S. Beside that, Aether Pact just feels in general way too weak for being something like the ultimate skill in a Scholar's Toolbar.

Dont you think that too ? Are you happy with Aetherpact/Fairy Gauge?

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It's pretty solid to heal through autos, saving your cohealer the need to use their own regen. Am I happy with it? Don't know, I can't say that its complete garbage as it is kind of good but at the same time it could be slightly better than it currently is. I'm not quite sure if scholar needs more healing tools/power in its current kit.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

I see this quite a bit and it's not really true.

Miasma II - 100 potency instant damage plus 4 ticks of 25 potency damage over time totaling 200 potency per target but only the 100 potency can be spammed. It's effectively 125 potency per cast if spammed (slightly less due to GCD and server tick being not quite equal.) Combined with Shadowflare at 50 potency per tick for 5 ticks it bumps it up to 175 effective potency per tick (again, slightly less due to server tick vs. GCD.)
Art of War - 160 potency instant damage that is 100% spammable.

Art of War is objectively better than Miasma II on its own. The combination of Shadowflare and Miasma II is better than Art of War dps-wise, but only barely and the main advantage to the two old spells being that there's a ticking 75 potency that keeps going if you take a GCD to heal. Miles better they are not,
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Another of Shadowflare's main bonuses was the Slow that it provided against attacking mobs. That slow often times made it better to use than sacred soil in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

P.S. they already did rename Miasma II: it's called Art of War now. If they brought Miasma II back in some form it would likely just be Art of War with an added DoT and reduced up-front potency.

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That's all they had to do to Miasma II to balance it. Make the initial hit low enough and the dot big enough to provide a good benefit and stop it from being spammed. That's it.

This expanasion has been a mess. Astro should have gotten an AoE DoT too instead of butchering the other healer's kits. I would have really enjoyed getting a ground targeted Meteor Shower for Astro that functioned like the oGCD version of Shadow Flare. Something they could weave in for extra damage in single target and multi target scenarios. Scholar should have gotten Art of War in addition to Miasma 2 and all there DoTs and Bane so we actually have a rotation for AoE. We'd get Art of War at 45 and Meteor Shower and Miasma 2 could have been Heavenward abilities. WHM should have gotten a trait to turn Fluid Aura into an AoE attack as well at higher levels since they were so committed to keeping it but made it functionally useless for whatever reason. All the healers should have grown into better and more unique variations of playstyles but we went the opposite direction and made them all identically terrible.