Pole Dance Emote and Furnishing: When Do We Get It?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Except it wouldn't because they mostly have different skeletons (as in model rigging) and proportions. I'm betting swapping the animations for the pole dance into the ganglier or tinier races looks odd with no adjustment.

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Was just about to say this. There are tons of clothing mods, animation mods, ect. But they're for what people request, which usually does not include Roe, male elezen, or popotos.

There's a mod that changes 2B's dress to a tunic, but I believe it only works on certain races, and is aimed at females wearing it, not male unless it was updated. Because that would require more work and may not be a perfect product. True, what we are given is also not perfect, but it meets a standard that someone above Yoshi-P said yes to.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Was just about to say this. There are tons of clothing mods, animation mods, ect. But they're for what people request, which usually does not include Roe, male elezen, or popotos.

There's a mod that changes 2B's dress to a tunic, but I believe it only works on certain races, and is aimed at females wearing it, not male unless it was updated. Because that would require more work and may not be a perfect product. True, what we are given is also not perfect, but it meets a standard that someone above Yoshi-P said yes to.

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I know this might come off as offensive to modders, and I mean no disrespect, but sometimes I think they're becoming a detriment to this community. It's not necessarily about what they do, but players who see their work seem to develop unrealistic expectations of the developers. They think the dev team can create the same thing with ease. Yet, the mods are always client-side and don't factor in combining with other gear pieces in the game. Then there's also about how they interact with the world, with things like physics or wind. I've noticed mods always change the entire outfit on the character and are never matched with other items in the game. I think they're a bad way to expect anything from the dev team.

I'd rather not go through a city and see a third or more of the people pole dancing, but that's just me.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

never, I highly doubt square would like to encourage this kind of activity.

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Well, they added this to NPCs in Eulmore, why it wouldn't be a possibility for players?

I'd love it tbh. Give the regular Beehive dance as a Ballroom Ettiquete, and the pole dance as a furnishing that triggers that dance animation with interaction.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

I know this might come off as offensive to modders, and I mean no disrespect, but sometimes I think they're becoming a detriment to this community. It's not necessarily about what they do, but players who see their work seem to develop unrealistic expectations of the developers. They think the dev team can create the same thing with ease. Yet, the mods are always client-side and don't factor in combining with other gear pieces in the game. Then there's also about how they interact with the world, with things like physics or wind. I've noticed mods always change the entire outfit on the character and are never matched with other items in the game. I think they're a bad way to expect anything from the dev team.

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I don't think they're a detriment, but I do think that they are a symptom of bigger issues like poor character customization, low res textures, etc. SE is not giving people the options they want, so modders are taking matters into their own hands. I don't mod anything other than games like Skyrim, but I can see why people might not be satisfied with what the devs are giving them. People want options. SE doesn't provide players with all that many.

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Originally Posted by goob

I'd rather not go through a city and see a third or more of the people pole dancing, but that's just me.

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Imagine going through housing and you end up in a house that has been remade into a stripper club. Dancing poles on bar counters, round tables or on a central stage, curtained 'red rooms' for 'private shows' and for 'photographic scenes'.

RP servers will have a field trip with this debauchery.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Imagine going through housing and you end up in a house that has been remade into a stripper club. Dancing poles on bar counters, round tables or on a central stage, curtained 'red rooms' for 'private shows' and for 'photographic scenes'.

RP servers will have a field trip with this debauchery.

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Don't they already do this though?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Don't they already do this though?

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For sure. I'm not even on an RP server and I've wandered into more than a few houses with stages in their basements before we'd even seen the Beehive, some with back rooms or changing rooms, seating, and of course there are dozens of bath houses. The seediest by far utilized the pudding rug for SFX. I remember it having a nice balcony setup though.

It'd definitely be nice to have classier options with Eulmore themed furnishings.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Imagine going through housing and you end up in a house that has been remade into a stripper club. Dancing poles on bar counters, round tables or on a central stage, curtained 'red rooms' for 'private shows' and for 'photographic scenes'.

RP servers will have a field trip with this debauchery.

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Or... people who just like that sort of thing? I put a strip club in the basement of one of my larges and don't RP in it. I just like the idea that the Free Company my WoL represents is full of degenerates.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Or... people who just like that sort of thing? I put a strip club in the basement of one of my larges and don't RP in it. I just like the idea that the Free Company my WoL represents is full of degenerates.

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If its just for sheer decoration, then that would be fine.
But they want the animations as well. And that is a whole different can of worms to be opened.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Imagine going through housing and you end up in a house that has been remade into a stripper club. Dancing poles on bar counters, round tables or on a central stage, curtained 'red rooms' for 'private shows' and for 'photographic scenes'.

RP servers will have a field trip with this debauchery.

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That wouldn't bother me. I've RP'd in other games. I don't RP here but also don't care if people do. If I walk into a house and someone tried to convert it into an S&M dungeon, more power to them lol

I don't care if dozens of people get together in a house and are doing pole dancing or stripping or giving massages or getting into some heavy ERP as long as I don't have to see any of that in public areas.

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Originally Posted by goob

That wouldn't bother me. I've RP'd in other games. I don't RP here but also don't care if people do. If I walk into a house and someone tried to convert it into an S&M dungeon, more power to them lol

I don't care if dozens of people get together in a house and are doing pole dancing or stripping or giving massages or getting into some heavy ERP as long as I don't have to see any of that in public areas.

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Yes, yes this. It's private. They could lock their doors, or have them open. Someone chose to stick around and watch instead of leaving. And if they don't like it, they need to get over it.

I don't like how many houses are barren or have gaudy, ugly furnishing set ups. But hey, that's my opinion and I'm free to not just walk into other players' homes any time.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Regardless of what people on here say about pole dancing or of it's real-life use, it's used as a sexually suggestive dance within the context of the game. And it doesn't appear like it's going to deviate from that use. It doesn't even need to, given how minuscule it is. If people want to dance, just do it at the beehive.

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1. The dances in the Beehive are hardly suggestive, unless the person watching is incredibly sheltered. They're a cutesy twist on the real thing.
2. The intent would be entirely dependent on the player's agency; you can't blindly assume that everyone using it has salacious intentions. I'm sure more people bikini tank for the irony than sexual gratification; why would this be any different? I mean I cosplay as everyone's favorite lingerie android while tanking just because 2B's outfit is cute as opposed to becoming yet another tin can with footballer pauldrons.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

1. The dances in the Beehive are hardly suggestive, unless the person watching is incredibly sheltered. They're a cutesy twist on the real thing.

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They're meant to be a little suggestive I think, but not too much. They obviously wouldn't want to push it too far which could push their rating from T to M. It falls under the "suggestive themes" in the game's rating which isn't a huge deal. There's a lot of suggestive themes in this game if people pay close attention. They just don't always make it blatantly obvious.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They're meant to be a little suggestive I think, but not too much. They obviously wouldn't want to push it too far which could push their rating from T to M. It falls under the "suggestive themes" in the games rating which isn't a huge deal. There's a lot of suggestive themes in this game if people pay close attention. They just don't always make it blatantly obvious.

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The /manderville is more suggestive than those because at least you're gyrating those hips. Quest line's word's, not mine.

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Originally Posted by Gula

The /manderville is more suggestive than those because at least you're gyrating those hips. Quest line's word's, not mine.

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You are probably right, but the Manderville dance is too epic to actually be rated. No mere mortal can perform this dance with grace and poise.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

1. We're not talking about the Gold Saucer.

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Cute, still relevant.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

2. I don't think someone asking a question after reading an article on Kotaku and Yoshida being confused counts as a fiasco, but okay.

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And where did the fellow get this information from? I'll give you a clue, It Starts with Ko and ends with Taku.

But if you want the game to have a reputation for the normies, carry on.

Late to the conversation but if people really want it, why not? It's a dance and while it does have a sexual nature about it, there's more to it than that. Pole dancing is for entertainment and is considered art. Yes some may see it as sexual but who cares? Final fantasy games are notorious for hiding erotic and sexual themes in games. It's not uncommon and people need to stop acting like one dance is going to make it more noticeable. If it wasn't noticable already..

As for the emote itself- maybe it could be a reward of some sort or on mogstation, so no one feels like they have to get it if they dont want it. Hell, even something where you click on the pole itself and you do a small swing on it or something. I think it would be fun.

Personally I want the dance they're using the back.

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Originally Posted by Magnedeus

Ask yourself this: Do you really wanna see a poledancing lala?

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If it was Tatar-

*koff* *koff*

I mean no, of course not.

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Originally Posted by TheForce

In my opinion, there are much more important matters to attend to, for example, my Sheltron still does nothing against Critical Attacks...I'd personally appreciate if devs would address things like that before deciding if they want to make WoLs strippers or not.

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Force, you do know that the people who make /emotes are a different department than the people who focus on mechanics, right?

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

I know this might come off as offensive to modders, and I mean no disrespect, but sometimes I think they're becoming a detriment to this community. It's not necessarily about what they do, but players who see their work seem to develop unrealistic expectations of the developers. They think the dev team can create the same thing with ease. Yet, the mods are always client-side and don't factor in combining with other gear pieces in the game. Then there's also about how they interact with the world, with things like physics or wind. I've noticed mods always change the entire outfit on the character and are never matched with other items in the game. I think they're a bad way to expect anything from the dev team.

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I agree. Let me backup on that statement.

It is in no way a judgement on the modders. They simply wish to improve the game in someway. But, their work does undermine the relationship the customer base has with Square Enix.

People naturally see a modder do something with relative easy and assume the reason a particular issue is still in the game is due to apathy or incompetence of the devs. When nothing could be further from the truth.

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Originally Posted by Estiban

Late to the conversation but if people really want it, why not?

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Combined with dumb suggestions like:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ike-characters

People wonder why we cant have nice things.

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Originally Posted by Razard

Combined with dumb suggestions like:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ike-characters

People wonder why we can't have nice things.

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We have a rogedyne's ton of nice things. Nice things are added just about every update. What are you going on about?

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

We have a rogedyne's ton of nice things. Nice things are added just about every update. What are you going on about?

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It's a turn of phrase, darling. Do keep up.

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Originally Posted by Razard

It's a turn of phrase, darling. Do keep up.

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*snerk*

Hahahahaha! You got me.

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Originally Posted by Razard

Combined with dumb suggestions like:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ike-characters

People wonder why we cant have nice things.

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Uh yeah, because dance and pedophilia are totally the same thing. /nope

I’m kind of surprised the amount people who seem to be bothered by this idea. Ehh I’m down for it, just another goofy emote to throw on the pile lol

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

No, but I want to see a poledancing male Roe in a bunny outfit ♥

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That sure would be a strong pole

Well, it's not an emote you could use anywhere, in the middle of a city or during a Duty, unless a magical pole suddenly appears before our character can start dancing, which could be kinda interesting and weird at the same time. Then there's the idea of making it as an emote only usable if you have a pole in your house, which would make more sense and prevent its spam in the outside. BUT, then we'll see many complains about how unfair is for all the people who don't have a house to not being able to have that emote (and we all know even people who won't like that emote will complain about that, because unfairly locked content)

I just want the dance the miqo is doing on the stage. Buck the pole dance... give me the stage dance SE :O

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Originally Posted by lolicon09

BUT, then we'll see many complains about how unfair is for all the people who don't have a house to not being able to have that emote (and we all know even people who won't like that emote will complain about that, because unfairly locked content)

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Apartments exist.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Apartments exist.

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Aren't apartments also limited to like 90 rooms per building, or something?

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Originally Posted by lolicon09

Aren't apartments also limited to like 90 rooms per building, or something?

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They're not really 'limited' since I'm fairly certain there's apartments free on pretty much every single server. There's two apartment blocks in each ward, multiple wards in each housing district...and four different housing districts as of the time of this post. Even if that isn't the case and apartments somehow run out, there's the backup option of Free Company personal rooms to fall back on.

Obviously the sweet spot is to have a personal house, but nobody really stands to lose out on anything other than outdoor furnishing when it comes to housing decorations.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

They're not really 'limited' since I'm fairly certain there's apartments free on pretty much every single server. There's two apartment blocks in each ward, multiple wards in each housing district...and four different housing districts as of the time of this post. Even if that isn't the case and apartments somehow run out, there's the backup option of Free Company personal rooms to fall back on.

Obviously the sweet spot is to have a personal house, but nobody really stands to lose out on anything other than outdoor furnishing when it comes to housing decorations.

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seeing how people always complain about not enough houses, i thought those were also in shortage

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Originally Posted by lolicon09

seeing how people always complain about not enough houses, i thought those were also in shortage

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Apartments aren't, just houses. You can head even to a high pop world like Balmung and find plenty of available apartments if you're willing to check ward subdivisions instead of going to ward 1, looking at the apartment building, seeing it full and going "whelp, can't even get an apartment!"

I think people forget there are over 15,000 apartments on each world. SE has also said in the past that would be fairly easy for them to increase the number of apartments in each building if demand exceeded supply. It's been more than 3 years since apartments were added and we still haven't reached that point.

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Originally Posted by lolicon09

seeing how people always complain about not enough houses, i thought those were also in shortage

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Nope. We are floating in apartments.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

They're not really 'limited' since I'm fairly certain there's apartments free on pretty much every single server. There's two apartment blocks in each ward, multiple wards in each housing district...and four different housing districts as of the time of this post. Even if that isn't the case and apartments somehow run out, there's the backup option of Free Company personal rooms to fall back on.

Obviously the sweet spot is to have a personal house, but nobody really stands to lose out on anything other than outdoor furnishing when it comes to housing decorations.

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SE is mocking me, because half their holiday decor is outdoor furnishings!

"SE please indulge in my fetishization of my character"

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Originally Posted by Bloodmoon

The Beehive in Eulmore's Canopy showcases some NPCs dancing on stage, others pole dancing. When I saw this back in June I delighted and said to myself that is great. I can't wait for those emotes to get added, along with a pole dancing housing item. I figured it was a given these would be offered up sometime in the near future.

Short and sweet: give us a quest line attached to the Beehive, offer them as Crafter Scrip rewards, or just put them on the MogStation and take my money already!

It seems I was wrong how quickly we'd get these additions, if at all, so I'm just throwing it out there, and feel free to show your support on this thread! And to the FFXIV Forum community, was there something you felt was a no-brainer to be offered in the game that seems to have fallen through the cracks? Let's hear it! :)

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No, thanks.

They did it because it's NPCs. Something under control.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Uh yeah, because dance and pedophilia are totally the same thing. /nope

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Oh wow. This post was dumb and naive. even by this forums standards.

Ignoring your attempt to decouple the "dance" from its connotations. Can you honestly say with a straight face that this emote would not be exploited? We've already had controversies surroundng not only FC brothels but a mod that... exploits a certain underage character. You think that the suggestive poses wouldn't flood the internet within a day.

It's just a "Ban This Sick Filth" or "Won't Somebody Pleeeeaaaseee Think of the Children" Article waiting to happen.

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Originally Posted by Shinklet

"SE please indulge in my fetishization of my character"

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Ok boomer. Maybe do some research on pole fitness and pole art before commenting like it's purely for something 18+.

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Originally Posted by Razard

Oh wow. This post was dumb and naive. even by this forums standards.

Ignoring your attempt to decouple the "dance" from its connotations. Can you honestly say with a straight face that this emote would not be exploited? We've already had controversies surroundng not only FC brothels but a mod that... exploits a certain underage character. You think that the suggestive poses wouldn't flood the internet within a day.

It's just a "Ban This Sick Filth" or "Won't Somebody Pleeeeaaaseee Think of the Children" Article waiting to happen.

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to be totally fair, it's not like we are forced to go to those FCs. All the people whowho visit those places do it because they want. Also, let's be honest, the only way you'll easily see NSFW FFXIV stuff is if you already follow certain type of people in social networks, so no one will throw it in our faces unless we seek for it first. Hell, i follow some of that people on twitter and yet i've never seen anything about that mod you talk about. I know about it's existence because someone mentioned it in this forum