Viera can't use the new Modern Aesthetics - Modern Legend

This patch made me switch back to Duckwight. New hair is unusable, new dungeon head gear is unusable, and viera/horthgar got nothing new added.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I mean... Isn't it something like only 3% of the playerbase playing as Viera?

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You're in big trouble with math, my friend.
Based on the census, the total number of active players is 551026. 62841 of them are Viera. This is about 11.4% of the active playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Aelissa

You're in big trouble with math, my friend.
Based on the census, the total number of active players is 551026. 62841 of them are Viera. This is about 11.4% of the active playerbase.

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I think I may have taken from total players, rather than active. I don't care to check or contest the point though, I think my point still stands even at 11% of the playerbase being Viera, although as I said the point was mostly made in jest.

It's the third most popular female race. Only miqo and au ra are more popular than viera. Do you really think they don't deserve attention from SE?

Not sure how I can say it much more clearly than I already have;

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Not that I disagree with the sentiment that this is laziness on SEs part

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As I said, I simply found it funny to call a niche piece of content a "waste" when Viera hairstyles are also going to be an incredibly niche addition to spend resources on, even taking that 11.4% of the playerbase as Viera, how many would actually like and use the new hairstyle? Same goes for hats, really. Much like Performance, it's all very niche content to work on. To call Performance a "waste of resources" at the expense of Viera options is simply funny to me, because the exact same can be said in reverse, and it's likely not even the case given the differences between the two (Performance additions are largely sound/UI related, hairstyles/hats are model related).

Now does that mean I don't think Hrothgar and Viera should get new options? Not at all. Every other race did, so the two new races should too. The reality of the situation is that the two new races are apparently harder to model for though, personally don't see that being the case for Viera (at least with regards to hairstyles, hats I can see causing problems), but it's the excuse SE has give an they're apparently working on it. As I said though, they set themselves up for failure with this and I expect to see this kind of thread pop up every patch, I don't disagree with the sentiment but if we're going to act like this is a burning priority above other forms of content which are for everyone? Yeah I'm gonna find that funny.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

This patch made me switch back to Duckwight. New hair is unusable, new dungeon head gear is unusable, and viera/horthgar got nothing new added.

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Heard they're not as popular as they're quacked up to be.

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Originally Posted by Kazgrel

Heard they're not as popular as they're quacked up to be.

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It doesn't help that new races aren't implemented in a memorable way, either. In WoW, each playable race - even the minor ones - get their own starter zone that gives players a sense of what they're like, how their society operates and what their lore is. FFXIV doesn't really do that - which is one of the reasons why I play as a Hyur.

My interest in Au Ra only really came as of Stormblood when we actually went to see their homeland for ourselves. Prior to that they were barely present in the game world. Viera and Hrothgar are much the same way, they feel tacked on and there's no real story to them so far. Just a few brief scraps.

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Originally Posted by Icycrits

I understand that Viera were just a last minute addition to the game in order to appease the fanbase, and I'm really happy they did add them even in their extremely limited forms.

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Viera as a playable race was decided upon before they finalized that the SB raids were going to be Ivalice themed. They're halfbaked, yeah, but by no means a last min addition.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It doesn't help that new races aren't implemented in a memorable way, either. In WoW, each playable race - even the minor ones - get their own starter zone that gives players a sense of what they're like, how their society operates and what their lore is. FFXIV doesn't really do that - which is one of the reasons why I play as a Hyur.

My interest in Au Ra only really came as of Stormblood when we actually went to see their homeland for ourselves. Prior to that they were barely present in the game world. Viera and Hrothgar are much the same way, they feel tacked on and there's no real story to them so far. Just a few brief scraps.

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It did a better job in giving each race a distinctive feel and presence in the setting. You have to dig deep for most races in XIV, and I reckon it's because they wanted the city-states to be more prominent in terms of origins... which is a pity.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

It did a better job in giving each race a distinctive feel and presence in the setting. You have to dig deep for most races in XIV, and I reckon it's because they wanted the city-states to be more prominent in terms of origins... which is a pity.

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Yeah, unfortunately they didn't really make the city-states equally relevant - Ul'dah received the lion's share of attention throughout the MSQ's with Limsa and Gridania playing much smaller roles.

Yoshi-p just made a statement regarding ishgard restoration but no mention about the 2 new races hairstyles future or plans for them at all so i guess viera/hrothgar are either dead on arrival or way way low priority atm.

Remember the good old days when everyone got two new hairstyles? Or when four hairstyles were released, two for men and two for women? Or hell, when they came out with unique hairstyles, but at least everyone got one? Yea, I remember that.

Wow.
I could have sworn they said they would add new hair styles and
add more headgear for them in 5.1. Where are they?

The radio silence crap is getting annoying, but thanks for the random add-ons to our characters
voices literally no one asked for.

I assumed it wouldn't work when they didn't advertise them with it. That's the key lol, if you don't see them wearing a head gear in the promo screen shots you can assume it's not gonna work on them.

Anyway, I guess this clears it up for everyone. They said Viera and Hrothgar are getting new unique hair, so don't expect them to get the shared ones even if they're new.

Which is kinda funny, I looked closely at this hair on my kitty gal and then at a Viera with "the short hair style" and ... there's not much of a difference other than this one looks way more interesting. Nothing about it screams "WOULD CLIP THROUGH EARS"so yeah, I think its safe to say they don't intend to have either of the races use shared styles.

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Originally Posted by Dalmacus

Yoshi-p just made a statement regarding ishgard restoration but no mention about the 2 new races hairstyles future or plans for them at all so i guess viera/hrothgar are either dead on arrival or way way low priority atm.

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They've made like 2-3 statements about this. They are making new unique hairstyles for them and also new faces for Hrothgar. When that will come out? Who knows.

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Originally Posted by Nane-chan

Remember the good old days when everyone got two new hairstyles? Or when four hairstyles were released, two for men and two for women? Or hell, when they came out with unique hairstyles, but at least everyone got one? Yea, I remember that.

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I member that, when I logged in, went to check haircuts, no BS, no stupid lock behind dead-on-arrival content, I had all the stuff available either from simple quests or from the get go.

Alas, they need to keep those content relevant somehow...I mean you think Eureka would've survived more than, hmm, a day without knowing they had so much extra content behind? Cause I'm sure that relics alone wouldn't and not only it wouldn't survive long, but that's what has been happening for years and it will happen again with eureka 2.0

yeah so much fun...I'm out.

Just saying, there is new mobile game from SE and new project they working on, but hiring a moders, that already worked with game files and models is impossible and expensive. Seems like Japan have problems with outsourcing and freelancing, while milking FFXIV to its maximum.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Not sure how I can say it much more clearly than I already have;



As I said, I simply found it funny to call a niche piece of content a "waste" when Viera hairstyles are also going to be an incredibly niche addition to spend resources on, even taking that 11.4% of the playerbase as Viera, how many would actually like and use the new hairstyle? Same goes for hats, really.

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And yet, they add those hairstyles and hats for races that a less played than Vieras, like Elezen or Roe, even thoug it adds works for them to make it match the head shape (especially for Elezen and their pointy ears).

The older hairstyles and hats I can understand being delayed as that's busy work that's outside the scope of whatever the team has to focus on for each patch release, hence it'd get shoved to the back-burner more often than not. I don't like it, but I can accept it to a certain extent. When it comes to new hair and hats however I really don't think they have any excuses anymore. This is content that's being developed specifically within the scope of the patch cycle. It's being edited and made to work with every other race concurrently and they can't be bothered to make it work for Viera as well? I would love to hear the explanation for this but I doubt we'll ever be given one.

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Originally Posted by Celef

And yet, they add those hairstyles and hats for races that a less played than Vieras, like Elezen or Roe, even thoug it adds works for them to make it match the head shape (especially for Elezen and their pointy ears).

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That's simply false though... All previous races have essentially the same shape head, with the extra work being (as you said) just the ears, which is a simple case of some races having pointier ears than others (or ears in a different place/shape for Miqote). Other than that it's simply taking the same model of headgear and scaling it to the different sizes for different races. It's also something they've had years of experience working with, making something work for Miqote is an easy job for them because of that. Meanwhile Viera/Hrothgar are somewhat radically different and new, they have relatively no experience modeling gear/hairstyles for them. They're still working out how to do that with Viera/Hrothgar, while with Miqote/etc they've known what to do for well over half a decade.

Hrothgar have an entirely different head/face structure, which is why it is so much extra work to work headgear for them. Viera, while I'm fairly certain have a similar (though still somewhat different) head shape to the other races, have not only massive ears, but massive ears you can customize. They're similar to Miqote in a lot of regards, except their ears are bigger, so the whole ear-condom idea Miqote get stuck with most of the time doesn't apply. That makes it a bit harder to work headgear for them, even before you factor in something like some Viera having floppy ears and some having erect ears, which again compounds the issue. Miqote and Lalafell/Elezen essentially have a one-size-fits-all when it comes to headgear and their ears, for Viera they've made a problem for themselves with the floppy ears; It's probably all too easy to add headgear for most Viera, but then you put it on the floppy ear model and it's clipping galore. That's something they need to consider when adapting headgear for Viera, and as I said, they don't yet have the experience with doing it.

Now for hairstyles... Honestly not sure what the holdup on Viera is, a few might clip with the ears in a bad way, but something like this most recent one? I can't see that being too much work to apply to Viera, when it comes to hair their head shape isn't wildly different from existing races. Hrothgar is another story entirely of course. I imagine it's a case of SE working themselves thin to be honest with you. Even if it's not wildly different, it still requires a bit more effort to make a hairstyle work for Viera than it does for Elezen, so they just continue the simple copy/paste job for previous races, while Viera and Hrothgar are lumped together, with Hrothgar likely taking the brunt of the workload. I suspect they want to release new options for both at the same time, to avoid complaints like "Why do Viera finally get new options while Hrothgar don't?" threads.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I suspect they want to release new options for both at the same time, to avoid complaints like "Why do Viera finally get new options while Hrothgar don't?" threads.

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Exactly! Totally, 18812 hrothgars are the reason why 62841 vieras suffer.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

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I won't speak about the Hrothgar causen as you said, they are a very peculiar race and model.
Yet, I don't see the issue with Viera. YES, their ears ar customable and bigger than the other races BUT :
- You "just" need 2 holes for the ears, like the kitties
- They created the race from scratch ! (in opposition to the first races they had to learn how to work with), how could they not think about that when creating them ? I mean, how serious does it sound to hear a creator saying "we made them....but we don't know how to properly add content "on" them"

I'm still thinking they did nt want to add them in the first place, were "forced" by the community pressure and are trying to make it clear that "you whined you wanted Vieras, here they are but don't expect us to work to hard on them"

EDIT : and, SE never cared about clipping so they better not use that excuse, or they should remake every piece of gear to make it does not clip, just look at the naked butt when someone uses 2B armor and sits...

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Originally Posted by Aelissa

Exactly! Totally, 18812 hrothgars are the reason why 62841 vieras suffer.

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Not saying it's a good justification, just that it's what I can see SE thinking with regards to it.

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Originally Posted by Celef

EDIT : and, SE never cared about clipping so they better not use that excuse, or they should remake every piece of gear to make it does not clip, just look at the naked butt when someone uses 2B armor and sits...

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I somewhat disagree with that. There's a difference between allowing clipping and allowing a fairly extreme case of clipping. The floppy ears, for example, could easily end up clipping into various pieces of headgear in an extremely noticeable and unattractive manner. A lot of the cases of clipping we have currently are things you have to look for to notice, you can easily miss them at a glance. Where as floppy ears would always be front and center, first thing you're likely to see about a Viera.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I somewhat disagree with that. There's a difference between allowing clipping and allowing a fairly extreme case of clipping. The floppy ears, for example, could easily end up clipping into various pieces of headgear in an extremely noticeable and unattractive manner. A lot of the cases of clipping we have currently are things you have to look for to notice, you can easily miss them at a glance. Where as floppy ears would always be front and center, first thing you're likely to see about a Viera.

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http://i.imgur.com/K6SUT2o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hV4Fx6w.png
http://i.imgur.com/nCyam4h.jpg?1

Yep, clearly have to look for it to see it xD

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Originally Posted by Celef

Yep, clearly have to look for it to see it xD

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Now try noticing it from the front. Try examining them and immediately noticing the clipping without rotating their character. Try noticing that kind of clipping on the OF avatars, or their Lodestone page.

Meanwhile, Vieras ears sit on the top of their head, any clipping there is going to be noticed regardless of what angle you look at them from. It's simply a far more noticeable and egregious form of clipping, and I suspect SE wants to handle it better as a result, hence the extra work and time going into sorting it out.

EDIT: Let me put it this way, would you rather they rush out some options and you have just a bunch of clipping issues, or would you rather they take their time and not have those clipping issues? Imagine your examples there and slap them flat on the top of your characters head. Do you want clipping of that level or do you want them to mitigate that sort of disaster?

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Now try noticing it from the front. Try examining them and immediately noticing the clipping without rotating their character. Try noticing that kind of clipping on the OF avatars, or their Lodestone page.

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Well, considering I see my avatar's back all the time minus CS....I'de say I see more clipping than non clipping things ^^"

Plus, again, they made the Vieras, why add floppy ears if you can't handdle them ? I mean, they did not test the race before adding it ? oO

EDIT: they did not bother to care about the clipping issues for all the other hairstyles so why would they try now ? false excuse
And we are juste discussing hairstyles here.....

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Now for hairstyles... Honestly not sure what the holdup on Viera is, a few might clip with the ears in a bad way, but something like this most recent one? I can't see that being too much work to apply to Viera, when it comes to hair their head shape isn't wildly different from existing races. Hrothgar is another story entirely of course. I imagine it's a case of SE working themselves thin to be honest with you. Even if it's not wildly different, it still requires a bit more effort to make a hairstyle work for Viera than it does for Elezen, so they just continue the simple copy/paste job for previous races, while Viera and Hrothgar are lumped together, with Hrothgar likely taking the brunt of the workload. I suspect they want to release new options for both at the same time, to avoid complaints like "Why do Viera finally get new options while Hrothgar don't?" threads.

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I remember people scoffed at me when I raised the idea that Hrothgar and Viera are treated as a packaged deal so "expect your bun to not get any shared hair styles if Hrothgar arnt". Yeah, Hrothgar's hair system is inexcusable screwed ... but as a race they have the same "number" of hair styles as Viera. These recent events have shown to me that yeah, they don't plan to give Viera shared hair styles even when they could work with their ears. I also expect their hair styles will come in waves ... cause each Hrothgar head has the same number of manes so I don't think any one head would get more than the others. Either they add more faces with their own manes (they've said they are going to do that, more hairs for Viera and more hairs and faces for Hrothgar) or they just add more styles to the heads we already have ... either way would bop the the number of Hrothgar hair styles up by more than 1 and as such I'd expect the Viera hairs to be expanded by that much as well.

Also lul at the people bringing popularity into this.

No, just cause you play a popular race doesn't mean your race of choice is more deserving of love than lesser played older races like Elezen and Roe that are easier to work with as they have been in the game since it's rebirth and don't have knives sticking out of the top of their heads..

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Originally Posted by Celef

Plus, again, they made the Vieras, why add floppy ears if you can't handdle them ? I mean, they did not test the race before adding it ? oO

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Because there was half a decades worth of demand for not only Viera specifically, but for a race that wasn't just "Hyur with animal features". Granted, Viera are still effectively just tall Hyur with bunny ears, but compared to Miqote and Aura? I'm fairly certain they gave you customizable ears specifically because of complaints about Miqote/Aura customization options being fairly lackluster. Hrothgar clearly bear the brunt of the work in regards to a truly "different" race, and as I said earlier, SE has likely spread themselves thin with releasing two races like this and are likely packaging their new options in the interest of "fairness".

It's not even a case of them doing this and creating problems they didn't expect. They did expect these problems, they knew they'd fall behind because of it and they've apologized and given their reasoning/justification/excuses regarding it.

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Originally Posted by Celef

EDIT: they did not bother to care about the clipping issues for all the other hairstyles so why would they try now ? false excuse

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Again, because it is no where near as noticeable as it would be with Viera. Again, please just imagine the examples you're presenting, but flat on the top of your head. Do you really want them to just rush out options for you if it's going to look like that? Do you think people are going to use hairstyles or headgear if it's clipping that badly? Most of the examples you've provided are clipping with regards to other pieces of gear (hair with body gear, for example). We're not even talking that for Viera, we're talking clipping with the character model itself. That's actually a fairly important distinction to make I think, but I'm about done playing devil's advocate here. They've said they're putting extra effort into Viera/Hrothgar to avoid such issues, complaining that you're not getting a rushed mess of a product instead of something slightly more polished because "they didn't care about clipping before" is bizarre to me. They clear do with regards to Viera, and I do not understand why that is an issue...

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Because there was half a decades worth of demand for not only Viera specifically, but for a race that wasn't just "Hyur with animal features". Granted, Viera are still effectively just tall Hyur with bunny ears, but compared to Miqote and Aura? I'm fairly certain they gave you customizable ears specifically because of complaints about Miqote/Aura customization options being fairly lackluster. Hrothgar clearly bear the brunt of the work in regards to a truly "different" race, and as I said earlier, SE has likely spread themselves thin with releasing two races like this and are likely packaging their new options in the interest of "fairness".

It's not even a case of them doing this and creating problems they didn't expect. They did expect these problems, they knew they'd fall behind because of it and they've apologized and given their reasoning/justification/excuses regarding it.



Again, because it is no where near as noticeable as it would be with Viera. Again, please just imagine the examples you're presenting, but flat on the top of your head. Do you really want them to just rush out options for you if it's going to look like that? Do you think people are going to use hairstyles or headgear if it's clipping that badly? Most of the examples you've provided are clipping with regards to other pieces of gear (hair with body gear, for example). We're not even talking that for Viera, we're talking clipping with the character model itself. That's actually a fairly important distinction to make I think, but I'm about done playing devil's advocate here. They've said they're putting extra effort into Viera/Hrothgar to avoid such issues, complaining that you're not getting a rushed mess of a product instead of something slightly more polished because "they didn't care about clipping before" is bizarre to me. They clear do with regards to Viera, and I do not understand why that is an issue...

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Personally at this point what my problem really is is the complete lack of communication since launch. No updates, no vague timeline, no "we've hit some snags and think Viera can work but don't want to leave Hrothgar behind guys!!"

Nothing. Just more and more new hats and hairstyles I can't use, while my cat boy retainer gets to enjoy what I spent hours trying to get.

If clipping is still the issue, they should say that. If it's something else, and it's taking more time than they'd hoped, then they should say that. We're coming up on close to half a year now with a cool and spicy zero updates (unless I've missed something, please tell me if I have)... and, to put it simply, it sucks. This whole thing sucks.

The FF14 team is not really famous for it's ability to communicate ^^"
And when they do, it creates more probleme considering they change their mind yet the community remembers (who's talking about housing ?)

I can't say I'm surprised. Vaguely disappointed, but not really surprised. I like the hairstyle I have for my viera well enough that I'm not overly upset, but at the same time I fully agree that it's absurd it's not compatible when they clearly told us it would be.

I respect that the dev teams have multiple projects going on at one time, and probably just as many different deadlines, to the point they HAVE to prioritize or they'd never get anything done. But at the same time, their race implementation for this expansion has been incredibly sloppy. From the gender restrictions, to the nightmare fuel that was their first shot of a Hrothgar, to the lazy naming conventions for Viera, to the headgear.

I mean, if it's a case of having to tread lightly and carefully, or it taking hundreds of man hours due to system issues then I would've rather seen just one full race implemented next expansion instead. An expansion's worth of teasing and building up to it would've been fine. I mean, they built up Yugiri over the course of what... 3 patches? Give or take? So it's not like we haven't had that happen before.

Don't get me wrong, I love my viera. But the overall exectuion has been pitiful. However, there's not anything we can do about it now. They'll either clear the issue up or they won't. They've gotten a lot of heat over the races in general since their announcement, so they know. There's no way they can't know.

Personally, I'm just going to roll with it as is, enjoy FF14's lovely story, and hope that for their NEXT MMO they build it on a much stronger and better platform than FF14 is so all of the various issues we're seeing now can be a thing or the past. With any luck, they'll have full viera and ronso races in that one from the start, along with a few others it might be fun to have, like old style moogles perhaps, and we can hit the ground running. Because whether it's in 5 years or 10 there WILL eventually be a new one once the story for 14 is fully told and resolved. Either way, I'll sit back and enjoy myself. And if they throw us a bone in the meantime I'll take it as a win.

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Originally Posted by Celef

And yet, they add those hairstyles and hats for races that a less played than Vieras, like Elezen or Roe, even thoug it adds works for them to make it match the head shape (especially for Elezen and their pointy ears).

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Any modifications needed for Elezen are also needed for Lalafell and Au Ra.

(And occasionally they forget to do that. There's one hairstyle - it looks like a shorter version of Urianger's hair and is next to it in the list - that doesn't have an 'opening' for ears and they just clip straight through.)

As I said earlier though, I really think that whatever is causing this lack of availability, it's not just a matter of the time it takes to adapt it.

I'm not saying the lack of hairstyles is necessarily justifiable, just that it seems like the reason must be something more than "they were lazy and decided not to do it to save work", because it doesn't seem like it would be that much work in the grand scheme of everything they need to do.

They avoid explaining their technical issues, but I think there must be one. Somewhere. Surely they have more pride in their work than to leave it undone because they could do it but don't want to.

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Originally Posted by Enla

The older hairstyles and hats I can understand being delayed as that's busy work that's outside the scope of whatever the team has to focus on for each patch release, hence it'd get shoved to the back-burner more often than not. I don't like it, but I can accept it to a certain extent. When it comes to new hair and hats however I really don't think they have any excuses anymore. This is content that's being developed specifically within the scope of the patch cycle. It's being edited and made to work with every other race concurrently and they can't be bothered to make it work for Viera as well? I would love to hear the explanation for this but I doubt we'll ever be given one.

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Hairstyles might come eventually, but they said early on that headgear wouldn't display at all - it was a design choice, not a scheduling issue. The things that did get added due to player request are ones that don't interfere with the hairstyle but sit over it or on the face.

I don't know about Viera, but I'm assuming that Hrothgar wouldn't be able to partly 'switch off' the hair model when hats are equipped, because of how they've been implemented as part of the face and not the usual hairstyle setting that's instead controlling their fur pattern.

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Originally Posted by Celef

Yet, I don't see the issue with Viera. YES, their ears ar customable and bigger than the other races BUT :
- You "just" need 2 holes for the ears, like the kitties

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Actually, Miqo'te ears are modelled into the hairstyle itself. It's a different system to Viera ears that are a separate element of the model.

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Originally Posted by Celef

EDIT: they did not bother to care about the clipping issues for all the other hairstyles so why would they try now ? false excuse
And we are juste discussing hairstyles here.....

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You do realise that's the one independently-released Korean set that hasn't been approved to be put in the main game? Everything else (to my knowledge) has been transferred over, including things implemented later, and despite requests for it to be added.

The other complaints about hairstyle clipping are valid, but that screenshot is what people post to demonstrate why that dress isn't available.

So, I just learned Viera cannot use a new hairstyle added post launch. Just adding another complaint about how ridiculous this is. They're about to lose my business if they keep putting in such little effort. Very disappointing Enix....

I don't understand why the new hairstyle wouldn't be usable by the new races. Seems a little backwards. Yes I know half of the races due to how they do textures and models are linked and just get lumped into one another but is it that much more work to adjust the hair slightly for the custom ears on the new races? Don't say face clipping or shoulder/back clipping cause that happens on half of the hairs now to this day with all races so that's not a valid excuse. I love this game, I have a active FC I play the content but I just feel they aren't addressing the issues that should be focused instead of adding in other things that weren't asked for.

At the very least if you are going to release a hair that doesn't work with x race... put that in the description of the item so people don't buy it only to find out they can't use it. Just a thought. I hate to break it to them.. but now is not the time to be lazy and put off character customization options as a 'we'll maybe get to it'. Right around the corner WoW is doing a full on overhaul of the player character customization and while hair styles seem minor now.. yes it could be the make or breaking point for people if they want to stick around or not.

I remember in one of the letters they mentioned they will add exclusive viera only hairstyles but with a cost that we won't be able to use normal hairstyles like others can.

I am surprised they still haven't added atleast one or 2 new hairstyles for viera, we need to know when they gonna add them so theres something positive to look forward to. With each new hat/hair not able to be used on new races the bigger the dissapointment.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

I don't wear headgear ever and always keep it turned off. I like my hairstyle options. Do I agree they need more for both Viera and Hrothgar, yes. Am I happy my character model and face has way more polygons and details than you'll ever have? Heck yes! I will take a more detailed character model over hairstyle options and headgear. I look freaking fantastic in cutscenes.

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Well, a lot of people enjoy helms and are dissatisfied that they can't use the modern aesthetic hairstyles.

To me it sounds mostly like either:

a) Lazy work: the people sit on the drawing table creating new items, then the 3D artist is adapting the helms for every race... when they come to the new ones they simply choose to ignore because they are already botched in that department anyway.

b) They didn't figure out how to make helms work for them yet - One would think they'd be able since they could make them work for Au Ra horns, which seems to be just as complex as big bunny ears. I get though that Hrothgar is a whole different story because the lion heads are especifically unique, but then that's only for full helm type of items. Hats for example, just sit on top of their heads.

I would be satisfied if they would at least put a disclaimer in the descriptions of hairstyles that Ronso and Viera can't use, lmao

Funny that ones that do mods for the game can make hair styles for on both new races but SE can't. Now I have seen pictures of male Viera that ones did mods for. SE needs to quit slacking off on two new races.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Funny that ones that do mods for the game can make hair styles for on both new races but SE can't. Now I have seen pictures of male Viera that ones did mods for. SE needs to quit slacking off on two new races.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Modders don't have deadlines and stockholders breathing down their neck.

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I suspect that the issue is tied to Hrothgar. Viera are close enough to human that the only real problem they might have is ears clipping, and that hasn't stopped Miqo'te or Elezen ears or Au Ra horns from poking through everything. (Well, the floppy ears might look worse, basically clipping twice on wide-brimmed hats, but.) Hrothgar heads require more work to properly fit headgear, and since the coding treats Viera and Hrothgar as opposite genders of one race, they can't give one something without giving it to the other as well. And then there's the whole fiasco with Hrothgar getting screwed with the aesthetician.....

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Originally Posted by JowyAtreides

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Sounds like you think it's ok for SE to not bring out new hair styles for new races any other company would make sure all race got them. This means SE thinks it is ok to slack off and not include the new races. If I was in charge of gaming company this would never happen because it makes your company look very bad. If they can't include all races in a new hair style then don't bring it out till they can. It's as simple as that.