Viera and Hrothgar clans detailed on official site

I hope the different ear styles aren't locked to the individual clans :X Since they opted to not go for an extreme difference, I would actually prefer for all racial features to be available to both clans - while keeping skin tones the only difference.

Can't wait for the benchmark :)

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Originally Posted by Nonuel

Enough mental gymnastics. It looks racist to not be able to include any black females in the game, especially when one of the blondest whitest girls' dad is black. They can improve a lot. Periodt.

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Would you not consider M'naago as "black" in this game?

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Originally Posted by Nonuel

Enough mental gymnastics. It looks racist to not be able to include any black females in the game, especially when one of the blondest whitest girls' dad is black. They can improve a lot. Periodt.

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He. Is. Not. Black. Blonde hair, pale skin and blue eyes does not make Lyse white. She's a fantasy character in a fantasy game, not Caucasian. Raubahn and others having coarse hair and tanned skin does not make him in any way African or A.A. Where do you fit Nanamo, M'naago or Urianger? What about Hoary Boulder, Moenbryda or heck, even the Admiral?

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Like, I'm not offended by it, I just thought it was really strange for them to make her dad so dark when Lyse is so fair skinned. Why would they do that? Even in the XIV world kids tend to look like their parents. It makes 0 sense for her dad to be so dark and Lyse to be so light skinned.

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I feel like someone who lived in ala mhigo their whole lives could easily be darker skinned than someone who left it when they were 5 years old.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I feel like someone who lived in ala mhigo their whole lives could easily be darker skinned than someone who left it when they were 5 years old.

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but then why was Yda white? :v She grew up there.

It's interesting that seemingly the only difference between the two Viera clans is skin colour, but can't you usually choose the colour you like, anyway? Maybe that'll be different in this case. I wonder if there's anything else unique about them we aren't being shown?

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Originally Posted by Lacan

but then why was Yda white? :v She grew up there.

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I mean, do we know how long she lived there?
Edit: Also, do we know who her mother is? Do we know if Lyse is highlander or midlander and how their skins pigment? I feel like there's enough unknowns that it's kind of silly to make a big deal about the skin color differences.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I mean, do we know how long she lived there?

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Well, we know she lived there till she was grown enough to wear that red outfit Lyse puts on at the end of Stormblood. So at least young adulthood?

I think Yda and Lyse's mom might have been fooling around.

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Originally Posted by Nonuel

Hold up. I don't care for the fantasy excuse when they pull from real-life traits. When I see that in the game, I make connections because of real life. And there are strong feelings. I really didn't want to go there, but are you black? You can't tell me how to feel about their conscious or unconscious choices when they keep putting them in my face. You think they should continue to not put any important black females in the game? I really hope they start somewhere. Or you don't agree?

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Again, M'naago and J'olhmyn look like what I would consider "black" so not sure where this no black npcs is coming from. I mean they're obviously not black because that construct doesn't exist in the world of ffxiv, but definitely darker skinned npcs.

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Originally Posted by Nonuel

Hold up. I don't care for the fantasy excuse when they pull from real-life traits. When I see that in the game, I make connections because of real life. And there are strong feelings. I really didn't want to go there, but are you black? You can't tell me how to feel about their conscious or unconscious choices when they keep putting them in my face. You think they should continue to not put any important black females in the game? I really hope they start somewhere. Or you don't agree?

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I am black actually :) And female. I can even tell you where the fields were my great grandma worked in. I just don't agree with the notion of absolutely needing to force real life to fantasy. Steppe is based on Mongolia but you don't see people trying to fact check all things Mongolia or getting offended they don't act or speak a certain way. It's tiresome, let fantasy be its own final fantasy. Saying a character with dark brown skin is black is literally wrong because they are in no way African or descendants of an African people. They are Ala gosh darn Mhigans.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Blonde hair, pale skin and blue eyes does not make Lyse white. She's a fantasy character in a fantasy game, not Caucasian.

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She looks a like a typical beauty from northern Europe. She could easily pass for swedish. Just because she isn't from Europe doesn't mean that she doesn't look like she is, and it doesn't mean that others from northern Europe wouldn't think she looks similar to them.

She is also a hyur, which is essentially human. She has literally zero physical traits that set her apart from a human.

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Originally Posted by Nonuel

Hold up. I don't care for the fantasy excuse when they pull from real-life traits. When I see that in the game, I make connections because of real life. And there are strong feelings. I really didn't want to go there, but are you black? You can't tell me how to feel about their conscious or unconscious choices when they keep putting them in my face. You think they should continue to not put any important black females in the game? I really hope they start somewhere. Or you don't agree?

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People thought Raubahn was black? He really doesn't look that way to me, fun to see how people see that differently. Dude looks massively Persian-like (that area) to me, at least based on the Persians that live around with me/I've worked with (these guys had brown hair rather than darker black hair).

To be honest though we don't really have real life races in this game. If simply all it takes to be a certain type of white (like Caucasian) or black (like African) is just a color shift then race isn't really fixed - loads of Caucasians in Asia then right now lol (pale skin / skin whitening products are pretty big). Being dark or light doesn't make you Caucasian or African in real life, there are more factors than that, and isn't the case in game either seeing as they don't have any of our geographical locations from where our races could be birthed from (where is my America dangit (lol)!? Make... Garlemald.. Great?).

Personally I dislike checklists (though it's nice to self reflect if something was intentional or not- self reflecting helps one grow), but just as an aside I see no reason why we can't have important black characters. If they ever add chocobo raising I want FFXIII's Sazh as the leader of chocobo raising / diplomat (I'd like chocobo paradise to be important so maybe key figure in chocobo relations). Mostly because he's like one of the two characters I actually liked in all of FFXIII.. with a strong relationship with the cutest chocobo baby and I really want new chocobo content so it's "established character I like + content I want" = I win. Then add like two daughters where one can be a leader in racing/training and open up some new chocobo content and the other out as explorer with chocobo interests (finding new choco peppers and animal rescue type thing).

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Like, I'm not offended by it, I just thought it was really strange for them to make her dad so dark when Lyse is so fair skinned. Why would they do that? Even in the XIV world kids tend to look like their parents. It makes 0 sense for her dad to be so dark and Lyse to be so light skinned.

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"Yda" and Minfilia were both in 1.X, which didn't have female Highlander models. There isn't much to it.

Would like to see more dark-skinned NPCs, especially females.

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Originally Posted by Nonuel

I don't care what excuses you guys come up for them. When they write in suggesting Lyse is somehow supposed to be Curtis's biological daughter, or when they write the description for Veena as being "umber" toned and make her look just like the Rava, I'm gonna be a bit upset.

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i get your point, but its actually possible for two hybrids to have physical features that are outside the middle of two parents, Also, genetics in a fantasy world may have different norms.

Also, i dont think charachters in the game consider appearances much in plotline, hildibrand's mother looks like shes 23.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

"Yda" and Minfilia were both in 1.X, which didn't have female Highlander models. There isn't much to it.

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That explains their models sure, and I can get them not wanting to swap to female highlander models to avoid confusing people that played 1.0. But I don't think that really explains the odd difference in skin color between Lyse and her father.

Now it doesn't really bother me that they're so different. Especially when we don't know what her mom looked like. But you can make dark skinned midlanders and fair skinned highlanders so I don't think this is about the models not being in 1.0 for female highlanders.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

J'olhmyn

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Who is she?

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I mean genetics are really silly as just as long as one person has passed down a gene that codes for something and it's switched to the show this gene then you can get that one rare redhead or blonde in a family that has almost brown or black hair. All because great great great grandpa joe was the doesn't come up often hair color. I mean it's obvious they take after their mother which seems like we've never seen? I mean look at Fordola she's fairly pale skinned vs Rahubaun yet both are Ala Mhigan.

Could also be she's adopted.

Skin colour is a bit 'all over the place' in this game. Most noticably to me in Ishgard, where most of the Elezen are pale-skinned (including every "town NPC" I could find) but then a few specific characters are quite dark. And more generally, there just seems to be such a wide variety of skin colours within a population. Perhaps if we tended to see more related people, it might show more of a pattern, but overall it seems a bit odd. I have to wonder if they just hit the 'randomise' button on the character creator and see what comes out of it.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Could also be she's adopted.

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But Lyse was able to pull off looking like her sister. So, I doubt it. Anyway to use another fictional character look at Sansa Stark if you didn't know that one of her parents was a read head you'd think she was adopted as all of the other Stark children and their father have black or brown hair. Even her uncle has black hair. I mean there are very short people who have very tall children, people who don't look mostly like one side of their family but look like exact copies of the other side. I mean heck look at some offspring of white slave owners and their slaves where there was enough that were mistaken for being a white person until it gets pointed out that one of the parents wasn't white.

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Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad

They aren't. People need to realize this. Ronso are from Spira, which is a different world then Source, which is XIV. Also, I seriously doubt Yoshi will let the Hrothgar get as gigantic as the Ronso canonicaly are (Kimhari, the smallest non-child ronso was 8 freaking feet tall.)

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In the first all the races are known by a different name. The Hrothgar are called Ronsos there, so technically in XIV they are one and the same. I agree they probably won't get as tall. Though Yoshi said that if the Hrothgar stood up straight they would be taller than Roegadyns.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

But Lyse was able to pull off looking like her sister. So, I doubt it. Anyway to use another fictional character look at Sansa Stark if you didn't know that one of her parents was a read head you'd think she was adopted as all of the other Stark children and their father have black or brown hair. Even her uncle has black hair. I mean there are very short people who have very tall children, people who don't look mostly like one side of their family but look like exact copies of the other side. I mean heck look at some offspring of white slave owners and their slaves where there was enough that were mistaken for being a white person until it gets pointed out that one of the parents wasn't white.

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So they're both adopted then. Also Eorzea is flat. Try and stop me! :P

Though I'm not trying to discount your point that sometimes biology just goes "this gene, it hasn't been used in a while let's use it" and then the dad is like "..uh.. Karen..... do you think we can have an aether test.. no particular reason..". lol :)

I was just adding another reason why it isn't that weird they could look different (adopting twins for example is not unheard of irl).

Now that we know the Hrothgar are from northern Ilsabard, their outfits seem very climate-inappropriate. Unless they're all hardcore "sure I'll be fine in a blizzard in this loincloth and sandals", I really don't think that's what they should be wearing.

(Unless, I suppose, that's what they wear once they come down out of the mountains and feel like they're overheating on what we'd consider a cool day...)

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Originally Posted by AmalahRose

In the first all the races are known by a different name. The Hrothgar are called Ronsos there, so technically in XIV they are one and the same. I agree they probably won't get as tall. Though Yoshi said that if the Hrothgar stood up straight they would be taller than Roegadyns.

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I think there's an important distinction here though.

Viera are Viera pulled pretty much directly from FF XII, so they're called Viera. We wouldn't expect much to be different about them other than the specifics they have to tweak because of the change in setting.

Hrothgar are called Ronso in the First but I think this is more a nod to them being based on the ronso, but they'll be taking their society and culture in different directions so they didn't want to just flat out call them Ronso have give people preconceived notions as to what to expect from them. It's been a while since I played FF X but I don't think the Ronsos there developed gunblades or had a queen for example.

So I think it's more or less 'viera are lifted from FF XII, Hrothgar are inspired by Ronso but aren't actually ronso.' With the ones on the First being called ronso as a nod to the inspiration for hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Now that we know the Hrothgar are from northern Ilsabard, their outfits seem very climate-inappropriate. Unless they're all hardcore "sure I'll be fine in a blizzard in this loincloth and sandals", I really don't think that's what they should be wearing.

(Unless, I suppose, that's what they wear once they come down out of the mountains and feel like they're overheating on what we'd consider a cool day...)

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They're fro the southern part of it, it may not be as cold there potentially. Or maybe their fur protects them from the cold?

Come to think of it though I don't recall any au ra in the Steppes using the au ra starting gear so who knows.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Come to think of it though I don't recall any au ra in the Steppes using the au ra starting gear so who knows.

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True, and that's rather disappointing to me. I would have thought they'd at least use pieces of it for a few of the tribes.

Doubly so when the lorebook describes it as their traditional dress, with specific features that are important to them, and then we never see a single Auri NPC wearing any of it.

Of all the recent threads, who'd of thunk this one would turn popcorn-worthy?

Hrothgars are already playable!

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So are male Viera
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Originally Posted by Alucard135

Hrothgars are already playable!

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He looks super cuddly. I'll take one, please.

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Originally Posted by Nonuel

Who is she?

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J'olhmyn is the 2nd female lead in the Ananta beast tribe quests.

I am hoping like we can choose a variety of colors for our hair, we will be able to do the same with the Hrothgar and their fur.

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Originally Posted by Nonuel

Who is she?

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I enjoy how you pick and choose what you respond to and change what you're asking for as people continue to prove you wrong lol. Game isn't "seemingly" racist. Period.

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Originally Posted by killstein

other way around, rava are the darker skinned clan... but i agree. i'm also "hmm" about the only identifying feature between the two clans is their... skin colour? ._. although i'm inclined to believe that even tho rava are darker skinned and veena are lighter, the colour palette choices can allow for a tanner veena and vice versa.

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thanks fixed it :)

i wonder if rava will get any grey or blue options could be fun. But it will make them more prone to being put in a questline as a generic baddie.

Ah, so this is the latest case of manufactured outrage. Hopefully those responsible tire themselves out before Shadowbringers is upon us. It's getting very boring to see every last little revelation twisted into being some sort of scandal. Those who feel so strongly about such things really should be voting with their wallet. Instead, they insist on making horrific and very creepy accusations aimed at the development team! It's very scary stuff!

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I'm sure we'll be able to achieve these shades of skin tone with the Rava clan.

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