Give the possible Eureka 5.X its own weapon, and separate Relic from it

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Relics had their own story while not being related that much to any content of 2.0 and 3.0. Eureka weapon have no lore at all or you have some to provide ? Because last time I checked it a weapon upgraded with junk we found around here, nothing comparable to a zodiac brave weapon or a living weapon having her own soul.

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I have no idea what you're talking about with the zodiac brave and living weapon stuff, because I didn't do those grinds, because they were terrible and I hated them.

You get to experience the entire storyline of Eureka though for a fraction of the grind making a relic involves.

Coil didn't have a story mode, Alex and Omega do.
Previous relics didn't have an easy story mode, Eureka does.

The trend is obvious, where they can, they have added a separate story-line mode that requires a fraction of effort. That you can progress through the story without the relic isn't proof that the relic was put in Eureka at the last moment in order to get people running it.
As I said previously, it feels far more likely that Kriles paper thin excuse plot was what was thrown in at the last moment, so that this area hopping relic grind we go on has at least some lore behind it.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Then I guess this is a better place to quote this than in my previous post :

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And as I said, it sure don't show itself in-game. Since the weapon isn't mentionned once and don't get any light during the whole Eureka attraction. The only NM related to the weapon are the zuzus and its only tied by their special loot that get no lore or explanation on why Gerolt even need them, that place sealed with powerfull weapon provide no link with our relic one outside of random junk with eureka name on it poured into the weapon because magic.

"I think" is were I'd stop listening to what he have to say, I'm expecting the director to know.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

I have no idea what you're talking about with the zodiac brave and living weapon stuff, because I didn't do those grinds, because they were terrible and I hated them.

You get to experience the entire storyline of Eureka though for a fraction of the grind making a relic involves.

Coil didn't have a story mode, Alex and Omega do.
Previous relics didn't have an easy story mode, Eureka does.

The trend is obvious, where they can, they have added a separate story-line mode that requires a fraction of effort. It isn't proof that the relic was put in Eureka at the last moment in order to get people running it.
As I said previously, it feels far more likely that Kriles paper thin excuse plot was what was thrown in at the last moment, so that this area hopping relic grind we go on has at least some lore behind it.

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First, you don't know about the lore of the other relic but you know Eureka one is better, yeah... At least I've done Eureka before judging it.

When I chase for a relic I want lore to the relic, if I wanted Eureka lore and was ok for sacrificing brain cells for it I would have done Eureka anyway.

Not an easy story mode ? Yup doing roulette, fates and trading tomestone is so hardcore. Was it more time consuming ? Yeah sure, it the whole point of it even for this Eureka failed.

Yup, they add when they can option, you have none for the Eureka relic. You have to do Eureka and nothing else even if you hate it, if you want the relic weapon you have no other option.

Yup the whole Eureka plot is paper thin, not even a line left for the relic weapon.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

And as I said, it sure don't show itself in-game. Since the weapon isn't mentionned once and don't get any light during the whole Eureka attraction.

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Did you actually finish Hydatos ? Or would you dimiss any lore connection as long as it's not the central plot of Eureka, which would then makes it even less accessible for players ?

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Originally Posted by Nariel

"I think" is were I'd stop listening to what he have to say, I'm expecting the director to know.

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So, what we got is in line with what he thinks, but you still claim it's not a proof...because he didn't say "Simon says" ?

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Did you actually finish Hydatos ? Or would you dimiss any lore connection as long as it's not the central plot of Eureka, which would then makes it even less accessible for players ?

So, what we got is in line with what he thinks, but you still claim it's not a proof...because he didn't say "Simon says" ?

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I do, and I still wait to seen any correlation with my own weapon, who wasn't finished and not even in my inventory. I remember killing the bad guys with a weapon that lalafell dude throw me that IS a magical weapon tied to Eureka that won't serve any purpose for the relic one.

Nha was just sayin' I'm not putting much account to "I think people..." as a valid argument, especially from the director. He sure said Eureka is the new way of doing the relic, and for the 6th time how come it don't show up in game. Why the relic is so optional in its own content if the said content exist solely for the sake of the relic ?

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Originally Posted by Nariel

I do, and I still wait to seen any correlation with my own weapon, who wasn't finished and not even in my inventory.

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Again, the fact that you didn't do your weapon means nothing on how its existence is tied to Eureka. This is the first time that the items you get for upgrading the weapon actually have a reason to be there and can be used to make our weapons more powerful, to the point that it gains Eureka specific properties. Nothing in the past actually have any justification. All the various inks, crystals, atmas, etc... they come out of nowhere. And that's even without the nonsense of finding tens of thousands of Allagan tomestones everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Nha was just sayin' I'm not putting much account to "I think people..." as a valid argument, especially from the director. He sure said Eureka is the new way of doing the relic, and for the 6th time how come it don't show up in game.

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From what I've seen, if you seek for a definitive answer from Yoshida, you'll never have it, because that's not how he communicates. But when what he thought three years ago ends up being what we got, doesn't it bother you to adamantly claim your opposite truth ? Without any actual proof on your end ?

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Why the relic is so optional in its own content if the said content exist solely for the sake of the relic ?

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I already answered that. Make the relic mandatory for the story and people will whine that the relic is mandatory for the story.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

First, you don't know about the lore of the other relic but you know Eureka one is better, yeah... At least I've done Eureka before judging it.

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I never said Eureka lore is better, nor did I make any comment about the quality of previous relics lore and story.

In fact I specifically call the Eureka story 'paper thin' and 'an excuse plot', not sure how you've arrived at the conclusion that I think it's better than story I specifically said that I've never done.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

When I chase for a relic I want lore to the relic, if I wanted Eureka lore and was ok for sacrificing brain cells for it I would have done Eureka anyway.

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Ok... cool.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Not an easy story mode ? Yup doing roulette, fates and trading tomestone is so hardcore. Was it more time consuming ? Yeah sure, it the whole point of it even for this Eureka failed.

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Yeah, and now a less time consuming option exists for those who just want the story without the weapon.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Yup, they add when they can option, you have none for the Eureka relic. You have to do Eureka and nothing else even if you hate it, if you want the relic weapon you have no other option.

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Yes, you do the relic stuff if you want the relic...

So personally like ive stated before i hated eureka but grew to like some elements of it.The relic weapon progression is deffintly still a lot easier than ARR's.
gave the ARR relic quest a go again.Spent 2 hours grinding fates non stop for it(Seem familiar?Its one of the main things people are crying about Eureka) to only drop 1 atma crystal out of the 9 i need before i even get to endure the book phase.

I think that the best course of action in future with relic weapon is one of 2 options.
Have your non dungeon Eureka relic and your Eureka relic.This means you dont need to do Eureka to get a relic but at the same time provides a reason to do both relic weapons.

The other way is to have 2 paths to progressing the relic weapon.One being through Eureka grinding and the other through non Eureka grinding.
There is no point in arguing to devs about not making the relic weapon a grind as its the only way for them to keep the weapons hard to obtain without putting a difficulty curve on it that will lock out your casual player base.

I hated Eureka and ultimately decided to skip SB's relic rather than suffer through content I don't enjoy. That said, I have no issue if they keep the relic progression tied to 5.X's Diadem/Eureka.
They just need to provide an alternative way of progression towards the relic through other content.
That way everyone wins and can pick the path they like most (or at least hate the least).

I think people are just being unfair if they try to say the stories of the ARR/HW relics are better than Eureka's. Eureka has brand new areas to explore and its own lore on top of providing background to Krile. After finishing the 60 quest I was left wanting to know more about Eureka the primal too. You might not like the content itself, but to say the story was bad is just unfair.

Unless your idea of a good story is just being told to go gather things over and over until a little fairy pops out of your weapon. :v Woop-dee-do.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

You have the raid weapon, the best weapon but hard to get.

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Wouldnt say its hard to get but the mechanics are «hard». May take 1-8 week to get it + if u like savage content and up for a challange.
(Honestly everybody can do it if they even can be arsed.
I didnt bother doinh last tier)
You prog with mechanics and boom ur done.

While 2.0 and 3.0 Relic was grindy it wasnt hard but sure it took time.
Eureka was just grindy aswell but deals with same mechanic concept till the end + the horrible light rng.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I think people are just being unfair if they try to say the stories of the ARR/HW relics are better than Eureka's. Eureka has brand new areas to explore and its own lore on top of providing background to Krile. After finishing the 60 quest I was left wanting to know more about Eureka the primal too. You might not like the content itself, but to say the story was bad is just unfair.

Unless your idea of a good story is just being told to go gather things over and over until a little fairy pops out of your weapon. :v Woop-dee-do.

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Sounds like I really missed out... :(

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Originally Posted by Johaandr

Wouldnt say its hard to get but the mechanics are «hard». May take 1-8 week to get it + if u like savage content and up for a challange.
(Honestly everybody can do it if they even can be arsed.
I didnt bother doinh last tier)
You prog with mechanics and boom ur done.

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Everyone can get any of them if they put the time in. It's hard in comparison though, c'mon most of the others are 'roll your face around your keyboard' levels of difficulty.

Why does it have to be zero sum? Make Eureka one path, make alternative grinds similar to 2.0/3.0 for the people that hate Eureka. People who enjoy Eureka can still get their weapon (plus Eureka-specific rewards like furniture, hairstyles, emotes, mounts etc). People who hate Eureka can still get their weapon. Everyone wins.

The Eureka grind was actually much easier than the previous relic grinds, imo, so I didn't mind it. I just minded how bad a lot of the new relics looked compared to previous versions.

They just need to make Eureka more interesting. I'd rather have them focus on that than making two separate mediocre content trees for relics. Especially if the cosmetics for one is superior than the other. I could just picture the complaining now about how they would have done the other one and I can't picture people wanting to do TWO extremely tedious grinds. Maybe if they both lead to the same exact weapons, it'd be doable, but again, I'd prefer the improve Eureka then split it up.

Time for empyrean weapons. :eek:

I enjoyed eureka outside of pagos however I still don’t want the next relic tied to the next “diadem/eureka”

I prefer the Eureka implementation over the previous Relics, I could never finish them. Eureka is the first time I have completed a Relic weapon, I am almost finished with the second.

No thanks. Books, unending tomestone grind and time gated dailies are infinitely worse than Eureka.

i hate eureka i quit the game 5 times because of it. i dunno why when i come back and capp Points/gear i feel like there's nothing there since i dont do savage raids.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

Yes please give Eureka it's own weapon. I don't hate Eureka but I miss the 2.0/3.0 style weapon. I don't know why we can't have both. If given the choice I would have done a relic outside Eureka.

There is no reason 5.0 Eureka can't have its own weapon & gear similar to PotD, except more upgradeable ( like it is now )!

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No one would do Eureka for a piece of junk weapon that's not even higher level than the current Ex primal. Imagine coming out of four stages of Eureka with something less than max ilvl.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

No one would do Eureka for a piece of junk weapon that's not even higher level than the current Ex primal. Imagine coming out of four stages of Eureka with something less than max ilvl.

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The way some people talk it up like sliced bread, im sure they would if still had the same kind of rewards it has now. ( Mounts, Glamour, Hair, Furniture )

There is no reason we can't have more horizontal progression and choices. You don't even need to do the weapon to complete Eureka ( and I know people who have done just that ). The weapon has no story attached at all in Eureka and isn't even a requirment ). It is purely an afterthought because they needed to toss the relic into something.

So again. There is no reason there can't be a good weapon in raid, a good tome weapon, a good relic weapon, and a good eureka weapon. Not everything needs to be BiS. People just want another option to progress their character. No one should be against this thread or having /more/ content ( I understand believing it to be implausible but thats it ). I don't understand the people aruging against this. OP isn't demanding they delete eureka. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Floortank

No one would do Eureka for a piece of junk weapon that's not even higher level than the current Ex primal. Imagine coming out of four stages of Eureka with something less than max ilvl.

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You know... Except for people who are claiming that they like Eureka and prefer it over farming Primals/Tomestones/Raids?

Eureka can easily give a unique set of max item level gear. That starts off as your crummy max level quest stuff, but then upgrades to equal to current tier stuff with each stage of Eureka. Just farmed in an alternate way (I.e. FATE Trains instead of Dungeon/Raid Farms)

This could include, ALL item slots. Weapon, Armour, Accessories (Including 2! Rings wow! OP OP!)

Potentially with having max level content like BA even allowing for upgrades to Savage ilevel gear (Though, only if BA was made less toxic...)

That way, it would truly be a place for people who like the content having a way to farm out full sets of gear doing what they prefer to farm. Potentially even having more actually tangible benefits from using said gear within Eureka content.

Unless of course, no-one actually likes Eureka or its content and only cares about it because shiny Relic is the reward >.>

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Originally Posted by Kalise

You know... Except for people who are claiming that they like Eureka and prefer it over farming Primals/Tomestones/Raids?

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So correct Kalise!

I know I go into eureka just to cap myself! Its so much easier.

But like OP has stated that doesn't mean we don't miss the 2.0/3.0 weapon quest lines and story. I understand its not for everyone but a lot of us want something similar back.

Eureka has so many AMAZING rewards and no one even wants to take away them away. We just want another option outside Eureka.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

It is purely an afterthought because they needed to toss the relic into something.

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Come on, this, again ?

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

There is no reason we can't have more horizontal progression and choices.

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There's no horizontal progression in this game, and adding another weapon would not be enough to change that as long as content is the same.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

There is no reason there can't be a good weapon in raid, a good tome weapon, a good relic weapon, and a good eureka weapon.

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Yes, the reason is that having several weapons based on the same concept means that one will be useless. And you forgot the Primal weapon.
On the other hand, if they do that, can you give me a reason why they shouldn't offer more option for just every other high level weapon ? Primal, Raid, Craft, etc...

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

No one should be against this thread or having /more/ content ( I understand believing it to be implausible but thats it ).

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Well, since you literally ask for a weapon that reuses old content, you're not advocating for more content.

I agree. Eureka should have it's own weapon and the Relic weapon should be separate from Eureka, with Eureka being an option of completing some of the steps. Not required, just an option.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Well, since you literally ask for a weapon that reuses old content, you're not advocating for more content.

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Then you shouldn't be against it ;)

I'd rather keep it at just 1 relic. :v it is less special if there is more than 1 per expansion.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I'd rather keep it at just 1 relic. :v it is less special if there is more than 1 per expansion.

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OP isn't advocating 2 relics. Classic Relic + Eureka gets its own Weapon and Gear

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

Then you shouldn't be against it ;)

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I'm not against more content, I'm against irrelevant gear. (The reason I personally don't like the concept behind uncapped tome gear, but that's another topic)

Let me reiterate my question : If you're so concerned about lack of options, why shouldn't they do the same thing for every other high level weapon ?

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

OP isn't advocating 2 relics. Classic Relic + Eureka gets its own Weapon and Gear

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If it's separating the relic and just giving Eureka a weapon like the tome weapon that doesn't reach max ilvl (like 405 in the current patch), then that's a no. I'm OK with two paths for the same weapon. But putting the relic back to the same ARR/HW grind style and just throwing some useless weapon in Eureka is not what us that like Eureka want. Just because we like Eureka doesn't mean we don't care about the relic weapon itself.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

If it's separating the relic and just giving Eureka a weapon like the tome weapon that doesn't reach max ilvl (like 405 in the current patch), then that's a no. I'm OK with two paths for the same weapon. But putting the relic back to the same ARR/HW grind style and just throwing some useless weapon in Eureka is not what us that like Eureka want. Just because we like Eureka doesn't mean we don't care about the relic weapon itself.

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Why is it that every pro-Eurekan player thinks that "Not having the relic tied to Eureka only" = "Eureka only gets a piece of garbage ilevel 24 vendor junk"?

To say nothing about the fact that many people are talking about being able to work on the same Relic inside and outside of Eureka, meaning, at worst, Eureka players would still be able to play Eureka and get their Relic.

Literally no-one talking about removing the Relic from Eureka (Only) has at any point mentioned giving Eureka a bad item in its place. It's only pro-Eurekan's who seem to think that anything that isn't the Relic is going to be automatically trash.

OP in the thread mentions:

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Originally Posted by Bacent

So I'm suggesting that Eureka get its own special weapon, for people that want to run it, and give a relic for OUTSIDE of Eureka, for those that don't want this kind of content gated behind something like this.

Then we could have a weapon for the hard core players. A weapon for those who like the Eureka-esque content. And a weapon for those who liked the original Relic content.

Then there'd be a weapon type for almost everyone to be working on to upgrade with.

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Which is implying that Savage Raiders, Eurekans and Relic grinders will all have a weapon to work towards. Which doesn't suggest that any one is inherently inferior to another or that Eureka's weapon ends up being equal or worse than a Tome weapon (Which would be super ironic given that Eureka hands out Tomes like candy on Halloween and is literally the easiest place to farm up your weekly cap)

Heck, even on this page alone, I personally posited the idea of Eureka content being released at similar intervals to raid tiers, with the opportunity to upgrade your Eurekan gear to the same ilevel to that of raids. Only with the bonus of having some extra value within the ilevel sync's zone of Eureka. With potential even Savage ilevel upgrades available if they continue making BA style "End Game Eureka" content.

So yeah, I don't get the basis of the arguments against these kinds of suggestions.

Since, they're not only, not entirely detrimental to Eureka lovers (Since, if both Eureka and non-Eureka Relic farming exists then it's not as if Eurekans lose access to the Relic and have to start working on it like in 2.0/3.0). But also actively improve the rewards for Eurekans by implementing a source of upgrading a full set of gear (Weapon, armour, accessories) to comparable levels to what is attained through non-Eurekan means, where the difference is merely the content that it comes from. While non-Eurekans will farm Raids and Trials for loot drops, Eurekans will grind out their upgrades. Both would have to access challenging content for Savage ilevel upgrades within a raid tier.

I feel like people who think the eureka relic is too inaccessible forget just how much the 2.0 relic sucked to get.

Eureka is by far the easiest relic to get. The only hurdle is leveling, which doesn't even take that long, especially these days.

Why do we need a seperate weapon from this? The weapon you can obtain outside eureka already exists, several times over. Tome, crafted, and primal.


Eureka makes more sense for the relic now from a lore perspective than repeating the same steps as a previous relic.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I feel like people who think the eureka relic is too inaccessible forget just how much the 2.0 relic sucked to get.

Eureka is by far the easiest relic to get. The only hurdle is leveling, which doesn't even take that long, especially these days.

Why do we need a seperate weapon from this? The weapon you can obtain outside eureka already exists, several times over. Tome, crafted, and primal.


Eureka makes more sense for the relic now from a lore perspective than repeating the same steps as a previous relic.

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The Eureka weapon has no story at all. All the story of Eureka is that, the story of Eureka. The weapon is just a side project of Gerolts. You're not recreating the weapon of the Zodiac Braves and awakening a concessness into it. You're not making a soul and placing it into a weapon and helping it grow. Gerolt is just dumping Aether into a weapon and hammoring out a few kinks while you try to figure out what went wrong with an Island.

A relic weapon, to me any way, is almost like the identity of the job, or the one weapon that best symbolizes the job. I think the relic quest should be HIGHLY personal and HIGHLY job related. It's like... you're a RDM or a SAM or a PLD or w/e... you're only at 80% power. But when you take your relic in hand you complete your job and am now operating at 100% capacity. That to me is what the relic symbolizes and what I believe the quest should symbolize.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I feel like people who think the eureka relic is too inaccessible forget just how much the 2.0 relic sucked to get.

Eureka is by far the easiest relic to get. The only hurdle is leveling, which doesn't even take that long, especially these days.

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It's not about how "Easy" the Relic is to get (Though, it being "Easy" sort of diminishes some of its value does it not?)

But it's about how fun the content is. I personally had more fun hunting down the FATEs and enemies and clearing the dungeons the 2.0 books told me to get than I ever have had just FATE Training.

Sure, some of the 2.0 and 3.0 stages have sucked pretty hard (Such as the Materia stage of 2.0 or the Crystal Sand stage of 3.0). But at least they were just stages not the entire thing repeated over and over and over until you finish your weapon...

Relic weapons hold more worth than just their stats. They are a grind, they show that you stuck it out and went through that grind to get your shiny glamour (Which is part of where being "Easy to get" ends up counteracting some of their worth).

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Eureka makes more sense for the relic now from a lore perspective than repeating the same steps as a previous relic.

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I don't know about that. I still haven't reached the point in Eureka where me building a Relic weapon makes any sense at all.

Meanwhile, 2.0 starts off with me asking Gerolt about legendary weapons from ancient times and he remarks about where he's heard that the remains of one is rumoured to be... Then Jalzhan comes along and talks about how he knows a way to enhance a weapon into legendary status (And bribes Gerolt to help us craft a replica of the original legendary weapon)

And 3.0 starts off with a kid's study into Anima where he was trying to create artificial life but kept failing. Then Gerolt remarked about how you'd need something sturdy like a weapon to house such a being. Then it's all about collecting the things to help the kid ensure that the anima lives and grows until you have the finished weapon and fully grown anima.

Just because some of the processes players go through (Farming for materials and farming "Light") doesn't mean that they make any more or less sense. Especially given that Eureka still essentially has the same thing, only condensed into FATEs and Light only.

I just care if they look good or not to glamour if not no point doing it beside story. /Shrugs

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

The Eureka weapon has no story at all. All the story of Eureka is that, the story of Eureka. The weapon is just a side project of Gerolts. You're not recreating the weapon of the Zodiac Braves and awakening a concessness into it. You're not making a soul and placing it into a weapon and helping it grow. Gerolt is just dumping Aether into a weapon and hammoring out a few kinks while you try to figure out what went wrong with an Island.

A relic weapon, to me any way, is almost like the identity of the job, or the one weapon that best symbolizes the job. I think the relic quest should be HIGHLY personal and HIGHLY job related. It's like... you're a RDM or a SAM or a PLD or w/e... you're only at 80% power. But when you take your relic in hand you complete your job and am now operating at 100% capacity. That to me is what the relic symbolizes and what I believe the quest should symbolize.

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None of the relic quests were symbolic of the job. They all had the same quest line.

They certainly weren't highly personal.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

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Some mentioned giving Eureka content a weapon like the empyean HoH weapon.

And if you check the comment I replied to, it says separate relic, not give two relics. And as far as I know, the word relic was used for the first weapon in ARR (correct me of I'm wrong). The other weapons had different names, zodiac, Anima and now Eurekan (the ffxiv wiki shows that). So people started using the relic to mean the ilvl xx4 weapon. And when saying take the relic out, that sounds as if taking the weapon that can be ilvl xx5. And I don't think SE will give two different weapons of that ilvl (if they did then problem solved). But if they're not going to nor they're going to put the same weapon for both contents, then that's a no and we'd prefer it being in a content like Eureka.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

None of the relic quests were symbolic of the job. They all had the same quest line.

They certainly weren't highly personal.

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I'm saying the relic quests should be this way tho. And the 2.0/3.0 still had that feeling of "I've completed my job" when I got them. The Eurkean weapon just feels like I'm grinding a Deep Dungeon weapon. Mainly cause there is no story tied to the weapon.

If they had made it out that we had found some ancient weapon in Eureka and Gerolt was help us restore and empower it, and at the end learning it's one of the weapons created by Eureka meant to temper people like the Zantetsuken does but because of what we did it was now bound to us instead. THAT would have been a cool story. As it is it's just a weapon with aether pored into it.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I'm saying the relic quests should be this way tho. And the 2.0/3.0 still had that feeling of "I've completed my job" when I got them. The Eurkean weapon just feels like I'm grinding a Deep Dungeon weapon. Mainly cause there is no story tied to the weapon.

If they had made it out that we had found some ancient weapon in Eureka and Gerolt was help us restore and empower it, and at the end learning it's one of the weapons created by Eureka meant to temper people like the Zantetsuken does but because of what we did it was now bound to us instead. THAT would have been a cool story. As it is it's just a weapon with aether pored into it.

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Honestly that sounds like all the other ones too, just with "weapon of a past hero" or "new forging method". They were all filled with aether at one point.

Besides, only 1 weapon was ever called the relic, and that's the original 2.0 weapon. And even then, they were "zodiac brave weapons". Followed by the Anima, and then eurekan weapons. In this case you can say you got your wish, and the relic isn't in eureka, it has its own special weapon.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

Some mentioned giving Eureka content a weapon like the empyean HoH weapon.

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More likely in the reference of it being a weapon that is useful within the content that you can then take out of the content with farm from within that content.

Rather than explicitly talking about having a weapon the same ilevel as Empyrean weapons from HoH.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

And if you check the comment I replied to, it says separate relic, not give two relics.

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I checked the comment you replied to.

It was talking about taking the Relic out from being exclusively from Eureka and allowing Eureka to have its own exclusive content in its stead.

But, throughout the thread, there has been talk about allowing the Relic to be worked on with multiple means to the same item (One being Eureka based, one being more like the 2.0/3.0 Relics)

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

And as far as I know, the word relic was used for the first weapon in ARR (correct me of I'm wrong). The other weapons had different names, zodiac, Anima and now Eurekan (the ffxiv wiki shows that). So people started using the relic to mean the ilvl xx4 weapon. And when saying take the relic out, that sounds as if taking the weapon that can be ilvl xx5. And I don't think SE will give two different weapons of that ilvl (if they did then problem solved). But if they're not going to nor they're going to put the same weapon for both contents, then that's a no and we'd prefer it being in a content like Eureka.

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Relic was the term used for the first weapon in ARR.

But has since come to refer to the general weapon that an expansion has that gets upgraded throughout the duration and ends up being the big flashy weapon at the end of an expansion (And thus, a long grind) that sometimes ends up being BiS once it reaches this end stage.

This Relic, has been part of some peoples gameplay since 2.0. Where they would grind out the Relic(s) as a way to prolong content featuring the standard MMO Skinnerbox type grind patterns where the constant progression would keep them grinding this content.

In Stormblood, this changed and it was stuck into Eureka in what to many feels like an attempt to get Diadem to work by sticking a grind based weapon as a reward to grind based content (Well, I say that... But a large portion of Eureka itself can be done by simply going there once a week to complete challenge logs and the occasional quest from Krile)

This is literally a case of Eureka players have essentially taken away this content from players and then people keep pointing over at stuff like "Oh, but you have Tome weapons and Primal and Raid weapons"

Yet, then they get really pissy whenever we have the gall to ask that we get our content BACK and that Eureka gets something new and unique for it to work on instead, something that could equal that of Raid weapons (Thus surpassing Tome and Primal weapons)

To say nothing about the fact that given how 2.0 and 3.0 Relics worked, a lot of it was stuff that would easily be able to work into both Eureka and non-Eureka content. You know, farming Tomestones to purchase items from Rowena. Grinding Light. The only things that 2.0 and 3.0 did that wouldn't directly be translatable across to Eureka was the cases where they required going through various current Dungeons, or exploration of current expansion zones (Such as doing FATEs)

Meaning that just like how the Relic has always co-existed beside things like Tome weapons, Primal weapons and Raid weapons, there's no reason why it couldn't also co-exist with some unique Eureka weapons that compete with Raid/Primal weapons while being BiS for Eureka itself due to having like elemental bonuses or other Eureka related stats on (In addition to their normal stats)

But no, act as if Relic being removed from being exclusively Eureka means replacing it with hot garbage and/or making it so that Eureka players can't work towards it at all.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

This is literally a case of Eureka players have essentially taken away this content from players and then people keep pointing over at stuff like "Oh, but you have Tome weapons and Primal and Raid weapons"

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No, this is literally a case where Yoshida thought that reusing old content was a dead end and use that opportunity to finally create a grindy content for a grindy weapon, content he wanted since the beginning of ARR, and giving casual the tome weapon as an alternative to make sure they still have access to everything.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Meaning that just like how the Relic has always co-existed beside things like Tome weapons, Primal weapons and Raid weapons, there's no reason why it couldn't also co-exist with some unique Eureka weapons that compete with Raid/Primal weapons while being BiS for Eureka itself due to having like elemental bonuses or other Eureka related stats on (In addition to their normal stats)

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Yes, there is, because it's a nonsense to have two "grindy" weapons, because they cater to the same type of players.

And it still feels like hypocrisy when people claim to promote "give us more options" to hide that their issue is a simple "I want my toy relic but I don't like the content", because no one complained two years ago when it was announced that the relic would be completely tied to Eureka, or to ask the other weapons to be obtainable by alternate ways.