What Limited jobs would you like to see in the future

This game has maybe one or two more expansions left after Shadowbringers.
There's only so many jobs they can add, not all of them are going to make the cut.
They also have a certain roadmap of jobs and roles they need to add, so many tanks, so many melee, etc. They're going to fill gaps before they add extras so there's a fair role distribution for raiding.
We currently have too many casters, for a typical raid party that has 2 tanks, 2 healers, 2 melee, 1 ranged and 1 caster slot, thats 3 jobs fighting for 1 position, compared to 2 fighting for every other position. (Presuming the new jobs are tank and healer)
The roles currently in need of new jobs are tank, healer, maiming, scouting and physical ranged.

My point is we wouldnt have hot Blue Mage as a caster job anyway, mot until at least 7.0 at any rate.
Would you be prepared to wait that long?
Or is something better than nothing?

There's also the case of whether the job itself fits into the role system, which has already been argued to death, and everyone's firmly on one side of the debate or the other. No matter which side you're on, its clear which side SE is on.
So for the jobs that dont fit the role system and dont fit their job roadmap, would you rather we never get those jobs, or that we get them as limited jobs that serve as side content that could well be better than Eureka and more futureproof due to needing updates?

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Originally Posted by jon041065

SE doesn't have to cater to anyone but it's in their best interest to have their content be as wide of a "net" as possible and that the content is compelling enough to retain the most subscriptions. They are taking a big risk with the limited job concept. Solo content along with full jobs would more than likely be the better strategy for them.
That only works under the assumption that people unsub if a given piece of content isn't of their liking. Pretty sure people unsubbing over the existence of Eureka in itself is pretty minimal.
There are options for how blue mage could work in 14 but they didn't go that route. How could they make jobs that can use almost any piece of equipment and learn most magic work outside a strictly solo design?

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How would they make a job that usually had to hunt down their abilities (instead of being given to them in a silver platter aka job quests) and whose abilities are 100% equal to the monster version (remember, it's not lvl 5 death that more ineffective than the monster version, it's the monsters that are resistant/immune to it. Same with Bad Breath, along others)? By making it like BLU will be currently.
Yes, there are options for BLU. This is one of them, no less valid than others.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

How would they make a job that usually had to hunt down their abilities (instead of being given to them in a silver platter aka job quests) and whose abilities are 100% equal to the monster version (remember, it's not lvl 5 death that more ineffective than the monster version, it's the monsters that are resistant/immune to it. Same with Bad Breath, along others)? By making it like BLU will be currently.
Yes, there are options for BLU. This is one of them, no less valid than others.

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This design is less valid though because of the restrictions.

Not many on my side are saying the learning method should be change. There are some that say to just make the abilities come from job quests or "core spells" come from job quests and then have the learning mechanic. Most of us don't care how it happens. We care about having access to a job that uses enemy abilities in current content. The spells probably have level requirements to learn them. We don't know for sure but I think that's a reasonable assumption. So there could be achievements for learning all spells within a level range like "Learn the level 21-25 spells" and then that unlocks matchmaking for those levels. Could also have level break quests like how XI did. So every 5 levels, you're unable to level more as blu until you've completed the job quest. Then have the job quest require that you know certain spells. The npcs wouldn't even have to tell you which spells they are. "Hmm, you still need to study leafkin in the northshroud, the insects in central thanalan, and the crustaceans in lower la noscea" would work.

The death spell should function like the eureka version does except for enemies that are well below your own level.

As for bad breath and how the job could work I'll direct you the thread I started that has my concept. I would have preferred blu tank but it would probably be easier now to work blu into being a melee or leave it as a caster.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l-Blu-Concepts

I think what could be great with the system is that it could give alternative versions of existing jobs or advanced versions. For example White Mage into Devout, Summoner into Evoker, Scholar into Sage, Red Mage into Red Warrior, Black Mage to Black Wizard, Monk into Master, Machinist into something fun to play again (maybe puppet master with a gun) and so on.

It'd help solve the great summoner debate too, we could have a summoner that meets people's expectations of summoner and not affect those who like the existing summoner.

But for non existing jobs.

Puppet master
Beast Master
Chemist (mixing potions in battle for a variety of effects)

Sniper Chemist; the good doctor will heal you from afar! .....Waaaaay over theeeeeerrrrrre! *Waves from atop the highest mountain in Eorzea*

Seriously, if BLU succeeds then I wouldn't mind have a sniper Chemist be a limited job class. That and Magitek Knight so I could have all the little gimmicks related to said class.

I don't wanna see any other limited job, i want a full time job !

The only good reason for limited jobs to exist, is for patches like 4.5, to test them out, give your feedback and remove this nonsense about "limited" job.

For Limited Jobs:

-Beastmaster [Make a sort of like Blue Mage where instead of collecting spells, you Tame Beasts and have them fight by your side] Maybe have like 30 Tamable Enemies and once you actually tame them, you can call them forth with Jugs.

-Puppetmaster [Make it have a wide array of Puppet Parts to sort of customize your Puppet in whatever way you see fit]
Have 3 Base, Tank / Magical DPS / DPS / Healer, and allow the Puppetmaster to make whatever combination they see fit.
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But as far as "Limited" Goes, I just hope they convert this "Limited" into a "Mode" where you can call forth on "Trusts" and just get improved EXP while killing enemies the old fashioned way to level up, and just roaming the world that way; at whatever pace the player sort of sees fit.

But we'll see what the future of Limited jobs is as soon as they introduce the new jobs for the expansion: if they add 3 jobs, 2 Regular, 1 other Limited, we can sort of see what the future holds

Agree with others.

Beastmaster and Puppetmaster are shoe-ins for a limited job.

mime sounds like a good candidate.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

The only good reason for limited jobs to exist, is for patches like 4.5, to test them out, give your feedback and remove this nonsense about "limited" job.

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I'm waiting until I reach a verdict once it's actually out. I don't expect SE are taking any feedback seriously until people have actually given it a go. Personally, I am not against the concept, to me the issue will be the execution. But to me if the execution is good at it allows for meaningful entertainment, then it opens doors to job concepts we might not see in the normal line of jobs or at least.

None. End of story.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

I think what could be great with the system is that it could give alternative versions of existing jobs or advanced versions. For example White Mage into Devout, Summoner into Evoker, Scholar into Sage, Red Mage into Red Warrior, Black Mage to Black Wizard, Monk into Master, Machinist into something fun to play again (maybe puppet master with a gun) and so on.

It'd help solve the great summoner debate too, we could have a summoner that meets people's expectations of summoner and not affect those who like the existing summoner.

But for non existing jobs.

Puppet master
Beast Master
Chemist (mixing potions in battle for a variety of effects)

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Advanced versions of jobs would be cool and can offer up different gameplay styles. This would be a better solution to some issues than limited jobs in my opinion.

Then, obviously, I don't agree with more limited jobs. For something like a chemist class you should check out how my first mmo pulled it off.

http://eqoa-forever.wikia.com/wiki/Alchemist

The premise of it was that you had several abilities that you would create potions outside of combat (took a long time to make enough) and then equipped them as ammo. You had a throw ability to then attack with that potion that used up a decent amount of mana. It was a very high damage class that had two limits. Throw would drain your mana quickly if you went machine gun mode and you were limited to how many potions you made before you started to exp/quest/endgame. I loved the class and still think it was so unique fifteen years later.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

Not even a good troll, try again.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

I want to craft as BLU now. It needs to be able to do every part of the game! /s

:rolleyes:

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Same goes for you, duh.:rolleyes:

Mimic would be the ultimate limited job.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

Mimic would be the ultimate limited job.

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It'd certainly be interesting. Typically Mime would copy the moves of party members. So it'd have to have a creative spin for sure.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

Same goes for you, duh.:rolleyes:

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Likewise :rolleyes:

I'd like to see Mime in a similar fashion as to how Bartz was a Mime in the first and second Dissidia games. So having the class combine skills/spells from other classes to create their own unique skills/spells. Also, having a Mime only duty that pits you against each Job trainer by themselves and then in groups would be cool.

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Originally Posted by Fadnog

I'd like to see Mime in a similar fashion as to how Bartz was a Mime in the first and second Dissidia games. So having the class combine skills/spells from other classes to create their own unique skills/spells. Also, having a Mime only duty that pits you against each Job trainer by themselves and then in groups would be cool.

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Bartz sounds more like a freelancer in that description than a mimic. You should check this thread out. Onion knight and freelancer are pretty similar.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ue-Limited-Job

None. Keep the XI jobs in XI. Just keep XI out of XIV. Every time they try to bring something from XI into XIV, its a trainwreck. Just stop.

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Originally Posted by Tlachtga

None. Keep the XI jobs in XI. Just keep XI out of XIV. Every time they try to bring something from XI into XIV, its a trainwreck. Just stop.

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You're aware most of them are just Final Fantasy Jobs, right? If you don't want XI Jobs in XIV then you'd basically be limited to the upcoming Gunblade Job, Astrologian and Machinist... Everything else was in XI, because they were in Final Fantasy in various forms before that... Puppet Master is arguably unique to XI, but iirc a lot of the attachments took from Final Fantasy VIs Edgars Tools system, so I always saw it as the "Engineer" Job, though the same is true for Machinist I guess...

Heck, the main reason we're getting Blue Mage as it is seems to be more because they want to go the Final Fantasy V route by giving it fairly stupid spells that just don't balance well... It really doesn't remind me of XIs Blue Mage at all... In XI they made Blue Mage fit the XI system, where spell casters just had a ridiculous amount of spells, usually learned via using Scrolls, Blue just had a unique way of learning its spells and a unique way of using them (setting them for stat boosts and combinations formed traits/etc.)... I see no reason XIV couldn't have done more or less the same thing; Add Blue Mage in a way that fits with XIV. If we have Summoner as the horribly crippled Job that it is (as far as the Summoner theme goes, at least) then I see no reason why Blue should be any different... Could literally slap a "Learn" action that has a set potency but varies animation/name based on what you use it on, onto Red Mage and call it Blue Mage and it'd have been a better representation of the namesake than Summoner imo.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

You're aware most of them are just Final Fantasy Jobs, right? If you don't want XI Jobs in XIV then you'd basically be limited to the upcoming Gunblade Job, Astrologian and Machinist... Everything else was in XI, because they were in Final Fantasy in various forms before that... Puppet Master is arguably unique to XI, but iirc a lot of the attachments took from Final Fantasy VIs Edgars Tools system, so I always saw it as the "Engineer" Job, though the same is true for Machinist I guess...

Heck, the main reason we're getting Blue Mage as it is seems to be more because they want to go the Final Fantasy V route by giving it fairly stupid spells that just don't balance well... It really doesn't remind me of XIs Blue Mage at all... In XI they made Blue Mage fit the XI system, where you just had a ridiculous amount of spells, usually learned via using Scrolls, Blue just had a unique way of learning its spells and a unique way of using them (setting them for stat boosts and combinations formed traits/etc.)... I see no reason XIV couldn't have done more or less the same thing; Add Blue Mage in a way that fits with XIV. If we have Summoner as the horribly crippled Job that it is (as far as the Summoner theme goes, at least) then I see no reason why Blue should be any different...

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That was a general reply to the topic title. I'm very aware that most of the jobs in XIV came from the FF series in general. All I'm basically saying is they can introduce whatever job they want, as long as its not Limited. it's a dumb concept and I hope that BLU is the first and last.

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Originally Posted by Tlachtga

That was a general reply to the topic title. I'm very aware that most of the jobs in XIV came from the FF series in general. All I'm basically saying is they can introduce whatever job they want, as long as its not Limited. it's a dumb concept and I hope that BLU is the first and last.

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What does that have to do with XI though? I'll never fully understand the XI hate in these forums...

I agree on Blue Mage though. Tried to give it a fair chance, but the more I thought about it, the more it's just incredibly... Meh... It could be fun in the same way collecting Triple Triad cards is fun, but even if that is the case that's only fun for a short period of time... I'd much rather have had a fully fleshed out Blue Mage, and the excuses the developers gave for implementing it like this just miss the mark IMO... There's no reason this couldn't be a proper Job with a unique gauge mechanic that's true to the spirit of Blue Mage... My Summoner doesn't do much Summoning (pls rename to Draco Mage, since it's just Bahamut-channeler at this point), and I've yet to see my Dark Knight sacrifice HP for a damage boost, so I don't see why Blue Mage is suddenly impossible... I actually kind of like how different Dark Knight is to past versions, and part of the joy of seeing new Jobs was wondering how they'd change them to fit a MMO? If folk are right about Dancer, I'm excited to see how that'll work compared to XI and V, for example... Kinda been robbed that with Blue since they just decided to be lazy with it... Guess it's a plus if the alternative was no Blue Mage at all, though...

I hope they'll reconsider one day and just look at the Blue Mage assets we'll now have and decide it's an easy way to add a new Job, but I hope the developers will do a lot of things I guess... Good way to wind up disappointed...

Some type of new specialized crafting class you can only play for 6 months then you get laid off and have to choose another.

puppetmaster
beastmaster
mime

Limited crafting and gathering sounds interesting. But thats already solo-content.
Maybe something like farmer for food or hunter for Leather and meat could actually work and to not flood the market it could simply be "limited" to the previous expansion lvl and mats.
And for crafting some kind of Mechanic that can craft and fight.