No more content like Rath Extreme, please.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

The rest of the posts...its late, and to be honest I'm tired of trying to get people to understand my point.

There's nothing to congrats about. I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed. That's all. if they require hard content, I'll either grind it till I'm sick of it to be able to do it, or not do it if I can't.

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I think people understand your posts, they just don't agree. And by the sounds of it, it's you that doesn't fully understand the difficulty argument within this game. Rath EX is an experimental fight that requires the players to shift their perception while playing. There is a lot more untelegraphed damage, and players are required to move more like an action RPG than this game. That's intentional of the fight, not intentional of 4 man content or any other kind of midcore content in general.

Moving on to your idea of raiders. I think the raiders that you have met are the bad bunch and don't reflect the community as a whole (mainly because the majority of mid to higher end raiders tend to keep to their own FCs/LSs/statics and aren't present in raid finder or party finder). These groups aren't looking for you to perform on ultimate level, as you so believe, they are wanting you to at the very least listen and follow rules. The other day I got called elitist for expecting more from a guy that joined a weekly clear party that hadn't cleared, that's what I'm talking about when I say following rules.

Blackmages should just use scathe once Rathalos is in the air. Damage is not of much relevance at that point due to how severe the defense buff of his is, just global cooldown skills use. Red Mages have no instant-cast they can keep on using, so saying that Red Mages have more mobility in this fight in particular shows lack of knowledge about Rathalos, despite the information about it being there for a while now.

And while you use Scathe, you can use Aetherial Manipulation to avoid the attacks if at least one party member is out of the way. It's faster than running and an ability so can be used easily between Scathes. With 10sec cooldown it's a joke.

Same with other casters. Aero for White Mage, Bio/Ruin II for Scholar/Summoner and Combust for Astrologian. I'm not really sure that worrying about those 2000-3000 damage between downs is really all that important when the alternative is failing the entire trial...

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Originally Posted by Luna-M

Rathalos is designed like he works (or close to) in Monster Hunter World. It's not a indication that the game or combat is going this direction. So OP, calm down.

On that note I think this is one of the most fun fights added to this game so far by a long shot.

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I completely agree with you lol. Your post made me laugh and it's one of the most valid here.

This fight is based on the MHW monster which makes sense since it's a collab. People complain about repetitive content so he gives us something new to try and now people tear it down because it's not easy (which isn't true). I am a super casual player that hates battle and prefers to craft and cleared it on day one with a party that wiped like 4 times before we cleared. It's the players not the content. Don't quit something because it's hard, learn from a wipe, get the mechanics down and figure it out.

Now the gear isn't that interesting and I'm not gonna farm for the mount lol. But I commend SE for trying something new.

It's not the content it's just some players lol.

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The rest of the posts...its late, and to be honest I'm tired of trying to get people to understand my point.

There's nothing to congrats about. I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed. That's all. if they require hard content, I'll either grind it till I'm sick of it to be able to do it, or not do it if I can't.

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We understand your point, you're just very bad at articulating it without it coming off as "I don't find this fun, so no one else is allowed to think it's a good idea or find it fun either simply because I don't like it".

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Originally Posted by JohnSeal

I don’t understand why shall I be trolling and about what lol If you are confuse about how I do formulate sentences is because English is not my mother language probably (: Btw I am serious and I was just telling you that even in expert you need to be playing properly and put effort in it.

About the comparison to Sephirot Ex, I think is different because that trials is pretty difficult and in a sync party there you can’t skip mechs and while dodging you need to keep DPS and healing consistent.
In Rath ex there is not any DPS check in fact you can clear it with three tanks plus if you kill the tail the dragon takes so much dmg: dodging is the only thing required. My Bf next to me is trying to farm because he got multiple clears but he can’t find today a healer able to keep up with healing and Esuna but that is a matter of manual coordination not abilities with the class.

I just think that this content stops being fun when you need to try dozens time for a clear, Primals trials are much more enjoyable (:

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Ah, fair enough. Sometimes it's really hard to see intents and tones through text on a screen. So, my apologies John, I hope that you can forgive my slight rudeness then. But yes, I do agree that even in expert there's a fair amount of skill involved, but I still stand by that even so, unfortunately most players just don't care or have the drive to actually put in as much effort as they do with everything else.

As for Sephirot EX, that's a fair point that you can't skip the mechanics quite as easily as most other trials. And regarding Rath EX, sometimes I feel like maybe there should have been a DPS check to elevate a higher sense of challenge than simply dodging, just to give the trial fight the same kind of standards as the other XIV trials have had even if it's more reminiscent of MHW first and foremost.

As for the other thing regarding content that stops being fun dozens of times as you clear it, well, I'll slightly agree and disagree with you there that yes that's true....but, it's not just for Rath EX. Literally, any kind of content within XIV can turn into a slogfest and lose their enjoyment but it just varies from person to person. Like, a primal trial will be enjoyable to me after the first 10-20 clears...and then it starts becoming a chore just to get to 99. Pagos is on a whooooole other level and plane of existence.

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We understand your point, you're just very bad at articulating it without it coming off as "I don't find this fun, so no one else is allowed to think it's a good idea or find it fun either simply because I don't like it".

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This. Pair that with the fact that your response to everything XIV releases is the same "this is terrible" - especially optional content that you don't like the difficulty level on - and we all know what you're going to post before you do. You claim to speak for "the casuals" and I wish you wouldn't; I'm one of those casuals - I've never done Savage, I got all my HW mounts unsync'd, I have no intention of touching Ultimate - and I've never felt the way you have about the newer "difficult" content, even if I might never touch it. In fact, I find the fact that they removed story from all of the ex/savage/ultimate fights to be amazing, because it means they're not expecting casuals to go through fights they don't want to do just to get narrative they're missing. And I don't begrudge the game for putting resources into content I don't like, because plenty of other people do. So I'd like you to stop talking as if the casual community as a whole asked you to come in and speak on our behalf, because we didn't.

Your bias against raiders is legendary to the point of hyperbole. It's an MMO. There are going to be jerks in any game, but I know a lot of raiders who, when told "sorry, not my cup of tea," say "sure!" and go about their day. And should I decide I want to attempt difficult content, you'd best be sure I'm going to make sure my attempts are up to par. I wouldn't step into a German III class knowing only how to ask to find the washroom and expect them to take my tests for me, and raiding is no different. Besides, my FC is full of casuals (you don't speak for them, either, trust me) and we all go in together to try this content. We're currently farming Shinryu for mounts; it took us a long time to get through because the mechanics were hard for a few folks, but we kept at it. So this nonsense about "raiding is toxic" needs to stop. Just like anything, it can be, but it's not toxic by nature and there are plenty of ways to dabble in it without ever coming across toxic people.

These are forums. You're allowed your opinions, that's what this is all about. However, people are going to take you a lot more seriously if you 1) stop using filler arguments, we can all recognise straw man and circular arguments for what they are and 2) stop exaggerating. "Raiders are ruining the game!!!!!" just sounds like hysterics and immediately makes people stop listening.

Lmao, all the reasons you "dont" like the fight are all the reasons why i DO like the fight. Its a breath of fresh air. I really want to see more like this, from the standpoint of all roles.

You "speak for the casuals" yet the casuals I know all love Rath EX. Then again, they are moderately competent at the game.

I HATE this event. I only have melee leveled so I have no way to just cheese this so I can get the mount so I can forget this exists. (only 30 more clears to go. yay?)

Rathalos in the MH games is SO much easier to deal with imo. Heck, I'd rather fight his G rank subspecies than do more of this, but unfortunately I'm an OCD perfectionist... so... Here we are.

For starters, You have a MUCH larger area to fight him in in the MH games (though I find him much easier in mh3 onward. I hate claw controls, I can't help it.) . You also have a lot of tools at your disposal for dealing with him. The only really good thing about the event is that you can still hit him while he's flying without needing a gunner/bow user etc or flashbombs. Him flying too much is one of my biggest gripes in mh.
but here in ff14, all we get is a teeny, tiny arena where he can just stick his butt near the edge of the arena and suddenly as melee, you usually have to stop what you are doing when he goes for tail swipe number xxx because that stupid tail can't actually be cut off. Ranged and tanks have it easy. And I don't even want to think how hard this event must be to heal.

Maybe I just keep running into all the jerks these days, but most of my groups have been tanks getting hit more than me and then going all toxic on me when I get wombo combo'd to death (I still have not figured out how to see that stupid hop fireball coming. most of my deaths are from that. UGH) Having constant parties expecting people to be perfect robots is the opposite of fun, in my book. And unlike MH? YOU CAN'T JUST DO IT YOURSELF.

The issue with all you people saying "It's your problem, cause you cant do it." This was supposed to be a cross over event not some extreme trial farm on a time limit. If they want to make harder content make the actual fights harder not the events here for a limited time. Funny seeing all these people defending SE left and right and they fucked up yet again on a cross over event. First one was a grind to hell for stupid looking items and now it's over the top grinding for something that shouldn't even be remotely this hard, this is supposed to be fun not something I need to make get my raid group for.

But there is no time limits. Rathalos ain't leaving, it's permanent.

All attacks are telegraphed.
Saying they're not is just wrong.

Sorry there's no echo enhanced aoe marker on the ground but the attacks are still absolutely telegraphed.

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I do think sometimes people over analyze the situation and read far too much into what a player posts (which is semi understandable, written word doesn't always translate well)...

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I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed. That's all. if they require hard content, I'll either grind it till I'm sick of it to be able to do it, or not do it if I can't.

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They're literally advocating they don't do well with any hard content if it's not MSQ or lower than Extreme. That's not "misreading". That's ignorance. We all knew what the original post was gonna be about and advocating for, before we even clicked on it. It's incredibly obvious in the header. I'm not saying they're wrong, but the cross over event with the correct monster, is meant to be a bit more challenging. People make complaints about this all the time, if it has an extreme or savage mode. Not just endgame raiders, but also the casual and midcore players.

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The issue with all you people saying "It's your problem, cause you cant do it." This was supposed to be a cross over event not some extreme trial farm on a time limit. If they want to make harder content make the actual fights harder not the events here for a limited time. Funny seeing all these people defending SE left and right and they fucked up yet again on a cross over event. First one was a grind to hell for stupid looking items and now it's over the top grinding for something that shouldn't even be remotely this hard, this is supposed to be fun not something I need to make get my raid group for.

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If they wanted to put a lower level monster like a Great Jagras, I can see that being the argument. However, it's Rathalos. Again, as I've pointed out time and time again, he's a high rank monster in the MHW title. Which means it requires you being a certain level and hunter rank, to get into that content, which is considered endgame, (outside of Arc Tempered). So it's actually pretty overall fair in how he's presented in the game.

I'd also like to note that "this is supposed to be fun not something I need to make get my raid group". I did 50 of these runs. I have passed on savage and most extreme content this year. So I'm playing very casually these days due to work and other interest in games. But I cleared the content with casual DPS players, Casual healers, and casual/hardcore endgame tanks. 50 times. [B]FIFTY[/]. So no, it doesn't require your raid group. It requires competent players who can pay attention.

This is content that does not have a gate lock on time limit. Squeenix has said this multiple times both at E3 during the PLL and in the last patch PLL they discussed. It's not a limited time event. It's here to stay.

They made two versions:
Normal - which allows you to unlock it with the 8 man to get the gear and the music
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Extreme - which allows you to unlock the additional minion, 1 piece of music and a mount.

If you cannot do or play the extreme mode, don't. But as you know, just like any other extreme fight, you're gonna need to work for it. Whether it's casual, midcore or endgame. It's extreme. The Armor is the same ilvl as the normal mode. Just allows for dying, similar to the savage content armor.

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all we get is a teeny, tiny arena where he can just stick his butt near the edge of the arena and suddenly as melee, you usually have to stop what you are doing when he goes for tail swipe number xxx because that stupid tail can't actually be cut off. (I still have not figured out how to see that stupid hop fireball coming. most of my deaths are from that. UGH)

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I can answer this part for you. It's actually a quick pick up, but something you'll see him do specifically. Watch his feet. With being against a wall, stay in FRONT of his left foot. Or, you can stand in the middle of his circle, and avoid the first swipe. Second swipe by staying in front of his left foot. This is a repeated two part mechanic. So when he swings once, he'll swing again. Rathian, Rathalos, Azure Rathalos, Pink Rathian all do this the same in MHW.

As for the fireball, you have to quickly pick it up. When Rathalos is going to fire the fireball from his mouth, you need to get behind him. Easiest way to telegraph this, is if he doesn't use a move for 2-3 seconds and standing very still. His feet also do this thing where he takes a few quick steps back, before he does the fireball animation. As long as you're by his left foot, you can easily get behind him and crunch down on the prevent fireball. Once the fireball happens, he goes in for a swipe to whoever he's looking at during the animation. If he immediately turns to someone, he's gonna fireball while standing still.

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They're literally advocating they don't do well with any hard content if it's not MSQ or lower than Extreme.

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...I specifically mentioned this so that people would understand I am not saying this because I am a bads and can't do the content. I went and cleared it legit. My point is thatTHIS IS NOT GOOD CONTENT TO BASE FUTURE HARD FOUR MANS ON. I was worried that SE would look at all the "i like it" threads and just copy and paste the ideas to other trials. That's all.

That I keep getting stuff like this is depressing me.

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Both negative and positive feedback, they'll understand. The content is still however very new, and something that FFXIV decided to do by thinking outside the box. They've been playing it safe for too long in what, 8 years? If we're counting the gobshite that was 1.0. They can determine how much of their playerbase is clearing the content, and not clearing, and determine the hit or miss about the event or making it easier for the future/much more challenging. Feedback will be good for the company either way. This is a direction. One of many. Not the end all be all.

before i got my clear and moved to the farm partys and even still for abit now ive had tons of rund that work suck buy healers have problems in the fight but i'd the problem was never it being to much for the healer it was always that the healer failed to not get hit be the big reddragon that is about the size of small building and burn through ether 2 of the 3 ko's before phase 2 leaving use with no buffer so we fail if anything at all goes wrong in phase 2 or all 3 and make us start over

To explain something a little more about Rathalos extreme, you have to throw what you know out the door. This is one of (the only) events and instances, where you can think outside the box and still clear it.

People have cleared it with all DRGs.
I've cleared it with all RDM's, all tanks, and regular party composition.

I also want to remind a lot of people that this is something XI used to allow us to do. Think OUTSIDE the box of the fights. We didn't need a whole party composition of tanks, heals and dps. But rather, other styles to again clear the content. Some did require tanks, yes, but some also didn't. Depended on the boss. But if you are struggling with the fight, think beyond what the normal party set up is, and try some new ideas to clear it. Who knows, you may find something that best works or fits you!

Not a timed event
Rewards are purely cosmetic and offer no advantage in game


It's funny the amount of rage from people haven't even looked into the event details. You can easily come back when over geared and get everything, you're literally crying because se for once didn't hand you a reward out the gate for zero effort. It's still only 50 kills for mount as opposed to 99 with chance of drop on any of those kills.

I haven't seen mh players crying so hard about behemoth fight and that actually looks punishing.

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I haven't seen mh players crying so hard about behemoth fight and that actually looks punishing.

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they are bickering on mhw reddit lol. It's very punishing but fun! I haven't been this stressed about a monster since G rank on past games

I think my main problem with this fight is that I have bad reflexes.

Eh. I’m not a fan of the glamour anyway.

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...I specifically mentioned this so that people would understand I am not saying this because I am a bads and can't do the content. I went and cleared it legit. My point is thatTHIS IS NOT GOOD CONTENT TO BASE FUTURE HARD FOUR MANS ON. I was worried that SE would look at all the "i like it" threads and just copy and paste the ideas to other trials. That's all.

That I keep getting stuff like this is depressing me.

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You keep saying it's not good content to base future hard 4 mans and yet provide no other ideas on how to improve it besides saying "It's bad because I don't like the mechanics and SE shouldn't do anymore ideas like this". You're worrying because people like it and find it fun? What? Are people not allow to enjoy this simply because you don't?

That's being selfish.

I hope they add a lot more fights like this with alternate mechanics, if for no other reason than it allows any kind of party composition instead of having to be hard-locked to the trinity.

I’ve been reading some many comments and points less arguing about this content and people feeling that got misunderstood so so would like to state few point:

This is suppose to be a optional event, not a extreme trial,not a savage raid but something just for glamour ( I personally think the gear looks awful on girls lol) and It suppose to be easy and accessible to EVERYONE but I find it pretty difficult and stressing, much more than any other event.

I think people are disappointed because this event is totally different from any ffxiv contents and I understand why, I personally think everyone like to play different kind of games and ppl CHOOSE to play games that fit their interests and abilities at the best. I know people that are great at games like ffxiv but can’t play “sport game “ ( I don’t know if I am allowed to mention other games on the forum lol), other ppl who excel in car game, others enjoy do crafting in ffxiv but are unable to fight.
Long story short: if you play ffxiv you may be disappointed if it suddenly turn in MONSTER HUNT xD

On the other hand: if you guy don’t enjoy the content Rath EX NODODY FORCE YOU TO PLAY IT! Don’t worry that’s just a collaboration and won’t happen again lol I mean if some player like it that’s fine go for it but if you don’t just don’t play because it doesn’t give you gears or contribute in anyway to your progression.
If you want a easy solution: Go 4 tank ( bring a PLD to heal in P1) you can stack alone and the burn won’t kill you, also if you can’t dodge the hit won’t take all your life.
I personally hate it and I won’t spend hours and hours farming for a mount ( I just want the pig and the boots xD) but if people want to farm it and find it fun it’s their choice.
Also if others don’t like it or find it boring: don’t judge or insult them thanks!

You can get the gear from Normal which anyone can do, just not dyeable

Non-dyeable gear is trash.

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This is suppose to be a optional event(...)

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Eh...It is optional. You don't have to do it and you won't lose anything. Quite the opposite. It being completely devoid of stat items means that you won't see a difference between having done it and not having done it...except in esthetics.

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(...)not a extreme trial,not a savage raid but something just for glamour(...)

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Eh...No. It was always supposed to be a trial with an extreme version. I mean...That's why it IS an extreme trial. The developers are the ones that choose what it's supposed to be, not the players. And the very reason why Yoshida even WANTED this crossover is because he likes Monster Hunter franchise and wanted that feel in Final Fantasy XIV. So it was supposed to be a trial like this even before players ever knew there will be such a crossover.

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(...)and It suppose to be easy and accessible to EVERYONE but I find it pretty difficult and stressing, much more than any other event.

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It's a permanent addition to the game. It's got a somewhat highly set item bar (320 for normal, but 350 for extreme). I'm pretty sure it was always meant to be a challenge. Not a top-game challenge...but there are casual players that don't do extreme content that are clearing it regularly. It's not a top-tier challenge. It just requires a different, old-school playstyle rather than the fancy "Here, we tell you exactly what and when to do in no uncertain ways so you can just focus on the mashing the buttons.". I assure you that this playstyle is very much possible for just about any healthy person. It's just a matter of them wanting to try. That's the difficulty...seeing as many people don't even want to get better...People dying to the scripted Tsunami 10sec in at Monster Menagerie normal on third and fourth attempt prove that.

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Eh...It is optional. You don't have to do it and you won't lose anything. Quite the opposite. It being completely devoid of stat items means that you won't see a difference between having done it and not having done it...except in esthetics.

Eh...No. It was always supposed to be a trial with an extreme version. I mean...That's why it IS an extreme trial. The developers are the ones that choose what it's supposed to be, not the players. And the very reason why Yoshida even WANTED this crossover is because he likes Monster Hunter franchise and wanted that feel in Final Fantasy XIV. So it was supposed to be a trial like this even before players ever knew there will be such a crossover.

It's a permanent addition to the game. It's got a somewhat highly set item bar (320 for normal, but 350 for extreme). I'm pretty sure it was always meant to be a challenge. Not a top-game challenge...but there are casual players that don't do extreme content that are clearing it regularly. It's not a top-tier challenge. It just requires a different, old-school playstyle rather than the fancy "Here, we tell you exactly what and when to do in no uncertain ways so you can just focus on the mashing the buttons.". I assure you that this playstyle is very much possible for just about any healthy person. It's just a matter of them wanting to try. That's the difficulty...seeing as many people don't even want to get better...People dying to the scripted Tsunami 10sec in at Monster Menagerie normal on third and fourth attempt prove that.

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Mine was just a resuming of what everybody said in this thread, it really upset seing few users calling names or saying bad things about people complain about it. I mean the OP was just espressing his opinions and some of us agree. I honestyly don’t see it as a challenge because you don’t focus on mechs but just on dodging, I personally clear it just for and I got a bunch of clears for the pig and the armour but I find it di boring lol I am going as PLD and what I do is just shield lob and holy spirit, if I get hit I don’t die either so easy peasy. I won’t continue because I am getting bored that’s all. If ppl like it glad for them (:

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I honestyly don’t see it as a challenge because you don’t focus on mechs but just on dodging(...)

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Which is a challenge too. Dodging actually requires some sort of skill, unlike the so-called 'mechanics' that just involve doing a specific thing at a specific time. For mechanics, the biggest challenge is simply finding out how to counter them. Since they stop being a challenge once you do, they are made more challenging in fights by adding multiple layers to them, like adding adds, other attacks in quick succession/simultaneously or other things to grab the players attention making following simple instructions harder.

Also, things being challenging doesn't mean that skilled players won't be able to do them with ease. It just means that there is a certain skill floor that is higher than less challenging content for clearing it. As posts around the forum show, there are those with significant difficulty in clearing it so it is challenging, but people that do not do extreme normally are able to clear it so the challenge is still lower than the typical extreme. Why?! Exactly because it's generally one thing at a time with this fight. You just need to focus on surviving his individual attacks which come one after another rather than all at once. And since nearly all of them can be avoided, a player that's skilled and is not crippled by huge latency will be able to do it consistently.

I'm not telling anybody to like it or not like it. But saying things that have no bearing on reality about it just because someone doesn't like it or finds it too challenging is not fine.

Don't know whats the issue of so many ppl.

I grouped up with 3 friend. We went in with just what we knew from the normal and killed it within the first timer with a standard composition.

This is far the easiest ex trial this game have ever seen. Only one mechanic at a time. Even in the Hildibrand trials you had to handle more different stuff.

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Don't know whats the issue of so many ppl.

I grouped up with 3 friend. We went in with just what we knew from the normal and killed it within the first timer with a standard composition.

This is far the easiest ex trial this game have ever seen. Only one mechanic at a time. Even in the Hildibrand trials you had to handle more different stuff.

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I dunno. I love the fight but to me it's one of the hardiest fights I've seen. I only got 1 clear and after being in over 50 times I haven't seen a clear yet other than my first 1. And people quit waaaaay too fast. I'm kindof getting depressed if Im being honest.

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Which is a challenge too. Dodging actually requires some sort of skill, unlike the so-called 'mechanics' that just involve doing a specific thing at a specific time. For mechanics, the biggest challenge is simply finding out how to counter them. Since they stop being a challenge once you do, they are made more challenging in fights by adding multiple layers to them, like adding adds, other attacks in quick succession/simultaneously or other things to grab the players attention making following simple instructions harder.

Also, things being challenging doesn't mean that skilled players won't be able to do them with ease. It just means that there is a certain skill floor that is higher than less challenging content for clearing it. As posts around the forum show, there are those with significant difficulty in clearing it so it is challenging, but people that do not do extreme normally are able to clear it so the challenge is still lower than the typical extreme. Why?! Exactly because it's generally one thing at a time with this fight. You just need to focus on surviving his individual attacks which come one after another rather than all at once. And since nearly all of them can be avoided, a player that's skilled and is not crippled by huge latency will be able to do it consistently.

I'm not telling anybody to like it or not like it. But saying things that have no bearing on reality about it just because someone doesn't like it or finds it too challenging is not fine.

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Pretty much s fair point.
In fact I say this morning that if ppl don’t like it, find it boring or too hard they may just not do it at all. I personally did 15 clears as tank for armour,boots and pig, I won’t definitely do it anymore because I don’t think is worth so much time and effort. Honestly I never did a birds or ponies farm because I never cared, I you can get now ponies doing the trial unsync when there is nothing else to do lol
Still I run Byakko Ex and Tsu Ex over 100 times because I wanted all weapons(:

You probably where imagining already this trials to be “Ex” but tbh me and many other were expecting this event to be really easy and clearable with no difficulty, I was disappointed when I realised you need practice,guides and video lol that’s why ppl are complaining and got deluded when they realised was so difficult to get the mount.
If was suppose to be that difficult I didn’t know but probably a bit more accessibile maybe will be better.

Conception of difficulty often is really personal, I find Byakko much easier than Rath and super fun, like I think O5S it’s tremendous but 06s/07s feels easier and smoother to run, most of ffxiv player are not prepared to this type of gameplay that’s all (:

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There is literally a 'story mode' for this fight, though... no one has to do Rath EX in order to experience the crossover. Sure, it yields better rewards if you take the extra step but I don't see why that's a bad thing. Try harder, get more stuff.

I agree that difficulty is subjective, but to be fair optional content doesn't need to be accessible to 100% of the playerbase. They definitely toned down aspects of Rath EX, in particular his very generous enrage timer, which allows most players and compositions to complete the fight with some practice. Of course people who are literally out there clicking all their abilities with their mouse might be excluded but, to be fair, they can still do Rath normal to participate in the event.

I just don't see the trouble with locking optional, aesthetic items behind a harder fight. It's literally all vanity items.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

There is literally a 'story mode' for this fight, though... no one has to do Rath EX in order to experience the crossover. Sure, it yields better rewards if you take the extra step but I don't see why that's a bad thing. Try harder, get more stuff.

I agree that difficulty is subjective, but to be fair optional content doesn't need to be accessible to 100% of the playerbase. They definitely toned down aspects of Rath EX, in particular his very generous enrage timer, which allows most players and compositions to complete the fight with some practice. Of course people who are literally out there clicking all their abilities with their mouse might be excluded but, to be fair, they can still do Rath normal to participate in the event.

I just don't see the trouble with locking optional, aesthetic items behind a harder fight. It's literally all vanity items.

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I agree with you in general.
The fight maybe be difficult for some ( I think is tiring and gives me anxiety ) and for others easy (my bf next to me is about to hit the 50 clear). I said that if people don’t like nobody cares and are free not to do it, but also they are free to complain about their disappointment. What people are not suppose to do is to insult others and their abilities.
Btw there is not almost any dps check in Rath Ex, you can bring kill him even with four tanks is basically only being able to dodge promptly but just some ppl don’t like it or are not good at it and they complain because we’re aspecting to get the mount easly, hey hope for something is not a crime at end (:

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Originally Posted by JohnSeal

I agree with you in general.
The fight maybe be difficult for some ( I think is tiring and gives me anxiety ) and for others easy (my bf next to me is about to hit the 50 clear). I said that if people don’t like nobody cares and are free not to do it, but also they are free to complain about their disappointment. What people are not suppose to do is to insult others and their abilities.
Btw there is not almost any dps check in Rath Ex, you can bring kill him even with four tanks is basically only being able to dodge promptly but just some ppl don’t like it or are not good at it and they complain because we’re aspecting to get the mount easly, hey hope for something is not a crime at end (:

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Hope is fine, I have a problem with expectation. Expecting an easy mount for no reason (since SE did nothing to communicate the difficulty of this trial prior to it's release) is silly.

He actually can "enrage" in his own way. The simplest way is letting the Garula escape (which shouldn't happen but can) and the second is a second fire breath that he will do without a Garula present to act as a barrier. I've seen speculation that this happens about 10 minutes after the transition phase.

Since the enrage is so generous it's why I said specifically they toned down the dps check for him but it does exist.

We need more content like Rahtalos, give us something to do other than steam rolling every dungeon there currently is for 4 man content.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

Hope is fine, I have a problem with expectation. Expecting an easy mount for no reason (since SE did nothing to communicate the difficulty of this trial prior to it's release) is silly.

He actually can "enrage" in his own way. The simplest way is letting the Garula escape (which shouldn't happen but can) and the second is a second fire breath that he will do without a Garula present to act as a barrier. I've seen speculation that this happens about 10 minutes after the transition phase.

Since the enrage is so generous it's why I said specifically they toned down the dps check for him but it does exist.

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Yes the expectations are pretty low, just a bit of practising and manual abilities I agree. Still people are deluded because they were expecting it much easier,that’s all so let them complain lol
I suggested to many ppl to go tank (PLD can heal himself and use HD, also can cover so is even easier ) or just wait for next tier or next summer will be possible with 2 DPS (:

What's made up for that is the randomness.

1. Rath does his aoe roar for 20k damage.
2a. He targets one dps for fire: you have plenty of time to react.
2b. He immediately turns and rushes the healer, not allowing them to spend a GCD to get people to full health.

Things like the timing or his roar; if he uses it shortly after the adds spawn, it makes it much harder to get people up to full health, and you NEED full health just to survive a rush. Or he can just do four slow fires on two different people in a row. Or he can randomly do his fast fireball. His attacks have tells, but the order can be randomized; so you're almost always reacting. If you get a good set of abilities its so much easier, but he can just decide to try to two-shot a dps by rushing them, then rushing again.

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Hope is fine, I have a problem with expectation. Expecting an easy mount for no reason (since SE did nothing to communicate the difficulty of this trial prior to it's release) is silly..

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You get multiple easy mounts for seasonal events; christmas bear, egg ads, halloween broom, Broken Heart, etc.

After having played MHW I get the feeling this fight will end up being a lot easier.

This is not a hard fight as I'm sure someone has already said in the numerous pages of this post, there's multiple strats that work based on level of comfort, experience, speed, or otherwise making the fight easier. Sure it's annoying to learn it and get it down, but wait, isn't that ALL Trial fights?

are u rly criyng bcs to hard fights? go play wow please. i just play ffxiv bcs the hard fights. like you need a month to beat a boss, not 3 hours. i loved lvl 50 raids. it was so hard. but since kiddys come and play it gets all casual. the skills got easier, less dots etc. the raids dont have taht hard punishment like before. like instant wipe by fail. just fking keep going until u beat it. and stop flaming and ask the developer to do it easier. taht pissing me off. its easy enough if groups kill a new raid under 1 week. if we think back to lvl 50 times, T9 wasnt beaten for month. not much ppl was beat t5 even with this noob buff. just wait for the noob buff, tahts waht u need guy.^^ ppl like you ruin the game. "cry its to hard cry" just keep going guy. srsly. or do you want kill it under 2 hours and be bored until next patch? idiot. oh, beter give every mount dropped for all by first clear, and pls give us all pvp mounts by first win. such a guy you are^^

i even miss the time where you had rly hard dps pressure. means when 2 ppl died u mostly got enrage. but noo ppl like you makes it easier. stop flame the forums ^^

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You get multiple easy mounts for seasonal events; christmas bear, egg ads, halloween broom, Broken Heart, etc.

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And none of those events were EX trials. You get special mounts for EX trials, they haven't broken any standards from the usual XIV routine.

Why should Normal mode give a mount when in the history of Normal and EX trials, that has never, ever happened.