Plz do something about the multiplot owners

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Once upon a time in Mateus, there were two ladies who happened upon the server and found it quite empty. After spending an inordinate amount of time and effort, these ladies bought a lot of houses together. Of course, with the world being hardly populated, no one complained.

Time passed...

Mateus became populated and now these same ladies were being swarmed by a lynchmob, accused of greed and monopoly.

Who's at fault here?

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The two ladies.

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Originally Posted by Bongaboi

The two ladies.

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Why? They did nothing wrong and deserve no hate for it.

Once again blaming SE for players being greedy is pathetic.
But it seems to sum up the current generation of gamers attitude towards trying to throw the blame for ones selfish actions always as someone elses fault.
And lets be honest here.Considering the amount of players that trade spammed other players to secure more than one property a lot of them did infact break TOS by harrasing players to get the properties.
And no im not jealous of people owning more than one house.To be honest ive never had any interest in buying a house.

Why can't they take them back? Consider it housing "balancing."

They can take away, change, nerd, etc. my abilities in the name of "balancing the game." Well, the housing is in game. Balance it.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Once again blaming SE for players being greedy is pathetic.

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With how long-term it has been a problem for and SE only now taking a stance, SE are not completely free of blame. Yes, players shouldn't have been greedy I can agree with that. But aside from those who tradespammed/harassed other players, what they did was within the law of the game, so they aren't at complete fault. SE should at least take some of the blame.

Disclaimer: I have 1 personal, 1 FC house (which I inherited the FC off the leader who went inactive, seemingly quit), and 1 apartment. Out of all my characters.

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Originally Posted by Lenaru

I don't see why to take the houses from them, they earn it already and some from a time when it was way more expensive a plot and harder to get gil.

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All Players with 2+ homes bought them 10 minutes after the servers came up when 2.2 launched.
5,000,000 gil at the time of 2.2 is the equivalent of 500,000,000 gil now with inflation.
To strip something that huge from long time veteran players is scary and wrong.



Forgot a second character is needed for more than 1 home. You have to be level 50 and max rank grand company. That's a big time investment.

To be honest ive never said in this thread that they shouldnt have freed up more houses and put limits earlier.
My point all along has always been though that the current issue of people owning multiple houses wasnt created by SE.A player has to go and decide to do that.
Just because you're able to take advantage of something knowing it will be to the detriment of others doesn't mean you should.Not to mention im sure plenty were aware that those actions would contribute to players buying gil to purchase property.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Once again blaming SE for players being greedy is pathetic.
But it seems to sum up the current generation of gamers attitude towards trying to throw the blame for ones selfish actions always as someone elses fault.
And lets be honest here.Considering the amount of players that trade spammed other players to secure more than one property a lot of them did infact break TOS by harrasing players to get the properties.
And no im not jealous of people owning more than one house.To be honest ive never had any interest in buying a house.

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Nobody was being greedy. People with multiple houses are playing the way SE intended. SE considers alts to be unique characters so buying a house for an alt is the expectation. Even if all of the multiple houses were returned they wouldn't put a dent in the housing demand. You really are wasting your energy by misdirecting your ire at players. Players only do what they are allowed and, in most cases, expected to do. It is SE who establishes these rules and in the case of housing they provided an extremely flawed system. They then made matters worse by continuing to add a few more plots piecemeal instead of acknowledging they screwed up and developing a usable housing system. Wards will never be able to fully meet player demand for housing. Instead of sour grapes and an "If I can't get it nobody should" attitude maybe you should be asking SE what they are going to do to ensure every player who wants a house or houses gets one.

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Originally Posted by Kegani

Why can't they take them back? Consider it housing "balancing."

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How do you handle Mog Station items the players paid real money for? They might not have the ability to save them or to even use them again. The only fair thing would to be for SE refund their money but we know that would never happen. SE picked a decent path, multiple house owners cannot buy more and over time many will be recovered via attrition.

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Originally Posted by Bloodb

The new change NEEDS to be 1 per Physical actually real life address.

As long as 1 person is allowed to buy and pay for more than 1 subscription/account you can bet people will have 2 accounts to own multiple housing.

The new restriction is too easy to bypass that way. Hopefully enough plots/wards for everyone will make all the problems go away, and everyone happy.

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If someone is willing to pay for a second account they have a right to access all content.

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Originally Posted by Kegani

Why can't they take them back?

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Because whether or not you like it, they paid to get the housing. Does it suck? Yes. Should they lose something that they had to invest in though over it? No.

Feel like I'll be responded to poorly over it, but let's pretend use our Anima real quick from Heavensward. Imagine you'd been doing anima when it was current, staying up to date, but you're doing it with 3 weapons, the 3 jobs you enjoy. Square decides that at 3.4, well later in your investment, that a player shouldn't realistically have more than 1 anima weapon, then strips away whichever ones you didn't do first. Would you find that fair? The gil, tomes, and time you spent for them, just stripped away for the sake of "Balancing," as you wanna call it?

The difference between balancing a job and the house is the jobs aren't locked behind an item/gil sink. They aren't being removed either, just tweaked. A house needs resources. A house needs you to throw gil at it, while also needing you to advance in both story and GC rank (Which some people make it to 70 without hitting the rank.) Technically, they worked for that house. You didn't work to unlock Arcanist.

The new change NEEDS to be 1 per Physical actually real life address.

As long as 1 person is allowed to buy and pay for more than 1 subscription/account you can bet people will have 2 accounts to own multiple housing.

The new restriction is too easy to bypass that way. Hopefully enough plots/wards for everyone will make all the problems go away, and everyone happy.

I notice ppl likes to go calling greedy most players, plus hating/judging them, for owning multiple houses. But I wonder if they ever stop and try to apply that "moral" glasses for themselves and notice that envy and toxicity is not much better.

1house per physical irl address ? is it a joke ?
what about couples then ? i dont want to share my house as we both have different ways to decorate our house

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Originally Posted by Bloodb

The new change NEEDS to be 1 per Physical actually real life address.

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Stripped away due to response from quoted person shown below. Apologies for being so nasty.

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Originally Posted by Bloodb

Completely didn't even think about families and couples, your all so right. It just didn't dawn on me.

Feel really bad because i'm single and live alone. Should have considered there's lots and lots of people who play/live together.

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That being said, we do still have the worry about a "slippery slope" fallacy, and hence why I think instanced would work best, added to the current housing we already have.

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Originally Posted by Bloodb

The new change NEEDS to be 1 per Physical actually real life address.

As long as 1 person is allowed to buy and pay for more than 1 subscription/account you can bet people will have 2 accounts to own multiple housing.

The new restriction is too easy to bypass that way. Hopefully enough plots/wards for everyone will make all the problems go away, and everyone happy.

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What about when you share home (no console) with a familiar or spouse or partner that also plays? lol

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Originally Posted by Lenaru

I notice ppl likes to go calling greedy most players, plus hating/judging them, for owning multiple houses. But I wonder if they ever stop and try to apply that "moral" glasses for themselves and notice that envy and toxicity is not much better.

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2 Wrongs dont make a right.Trying to claim people are jealous or Toxic because they dont condone the greed of others is whats known as flaming.

Can we also get some affirmative action going on, to make sure the under-represented groups also have their fair share of housing?

Completely didn't even think about families and couples, your all so right. It just didn't dawn on me.

Feel really bad because i'm single and live alone. Should have considered there's lots and lots of people who play/live together.

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Originally Posted by Lenaru

I notice ppl likes to go calling greedy most players, plus hating/judging them, for owning multiple houses. But I wonder if they ever stop and try to apply that "moral" glasses for themselves and notice that envy and toxicity is not much better.

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This is exactly what they should do. The amount of toxicity I see in these threads is mind boggling. Every time I post in them explaining the situation in detail people ignore it so they can continue their toxic agenda. For example on my server if every FC that could buy a house did from the new wards, there would only be 124 FCs w/out houses. Not every FC will buy a house so there will be houses available for personal use. More wards added later (4.3?) will only further close the gap. Stop attacking people, have some patience you will get a house.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

2 Wrongs dont make a right.Trying to claim people are jealous or Toxic because they dont condone the greed of others is whats known as flaming.

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It goes both ways.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Even if you cant belive it but yes its realy connection issues, i dont know how things and connection are on your server when it came back on but on our it whas pretty bad for the first hour. There where dcs, lags and stuff like that, people witch normaly didnt had any issues got kicked when they tried to enter a ward and where stucked in the Login Que again. Our que whas realy high because everyone tried to login in time to get a house.

In your chase i would say you where just lucky or you dont play on an overpopulated server.

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Does not get any more congested than Balmung -.-

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

its not that simple as far as i know.Im sure plenty are useing scripts to keep spamming connect to get into the servers.When you have too many trying to connect to server at same time not everyone will be so lucky to get in.
There's also the issue of a lot of players having themselves or friends trade spam other players to prevent them for purchase.Although im sure most are ready for this time and have their characters set to not be able to send trade requests.

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It's more of timing no need for scripts. Also where you log off makes a huge difference. We have a dedicated line for gaming and some even decided to go early to starbucks before it opened. You would be surprise it works after they close. So they all made sacrifices. Scripts are just an excuse people use. Yes people could spam them so you look for places less likely they would. Still no excuse.

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Originally Posted by Lenaru

I notice ppl likes to go calling greedy most players, plus hating/judging them, for owning multiple houses. But I wonder if they ever stop and try to apply that "moral" glasses for themselves and notice that envy and toxicity is not much better.

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I'm pretty sure they don't, Common sense is dead now a days and most people just want a trophy for trying so that it does not feel unfair.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

2 Wrongs dont make a right.Trying to claim people are jealous or Toxic because they dont condone the greed of others is whats known as flaming.

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Hmmm Flaming; To engage in an online argument usually involving unfounded personal attacks by one or more parties. Not really it can be said it goes both ways. Just like owners see it as jealousy which in fact is a result of their hard work vs the crowed that claims it's unfair do to less effort of sacrifices. Over all it's the same thing different sides of the coin.

On that side note keep in mind that keeping extra homes is being grandfathered. If they get demolish, they lose it. The only way to really make a profit on them is to sale the account or transfer ownership via FC rules. Man hard to believe after SE made new rules people still complain it's unfair.

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Originally Posted by Bloodb

The new change NEEDS to be 1 per Physical actually real life address.

As long as 1 person is allowed to buy and pay for more than 1 subscription/account you can bet people will have 2 accounts to own multiple housing.

The new restriction is too easy to bypass that way. Hopefully enough plots/wards for everyone will make all the problems go away, and everyone happy.

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AHAHAHAH.
This is funny.

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

This is exactly what they should do. The amount of toxicity I see in these threads is mind boggling. Every time I post in them explaining the situation in detail people ignore it so they can continue their toxic agenda. For example on my server if every FC that could buy a house did from the new wards, there would only be 124 FCs w/out houses. Not every FC will buy a house so there will be houses available for personal use. More wards added later (4.3?) will only further close the gap. Stop attacking people, have some patience you will get a house.

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It's not an attack it's pretty much common sense. People tend to forget, we all pay a subscription order, none of us are above anyone else. SOME OF US put more effort than others. Also let face the facts, people will always think things are unfair if they are not part of them.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Not to mention im sure plenty were aware that those actions would contribute to players buying gil to purchase property.

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Once upon a time, in a certain country (or countries, actually), they were able to use this short of excuse to delete you. Yes, I mean literally killed off. Because you were able to own more properties than average, "concerned and patriotic citizens" (read: jealous and petty people) would point fingers at you and called you "capitalist" (?!), lied about crimes you never committed, accused you of conspiring against the "revolution", etc, and of course the judge would listen to them, because "the people" said so...and so off to public stoning you go! After you and your family members are dead, your stuffs were then available to the people, to the greater good!

Sounds familiar? I could cook up all sorts of things about people who own lots of gil to make them look evil too! There's no way that these people were able to make that kind of gil through working legally by crafting and gathering, right?

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Can we also get some affirmative action going on, to make sure the under-represented groups also have their fair share of housing?

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hmmm what is there to represent? that is why there are apartments. -.- don't really have to look. Otherwise do what every other player does, make an effort. Take day off, log off in ward, have a secure non interrupted line ect. Hope for the best.

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Originally Posted by AriaFairchild

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Once again why do people always have to take something out of context to win an argument.I never said all players,you have just made this assumption.
Here are the main 3 reasons people buy gil on sites.To be able to afford housing,for crafted and melded gear and for buying content clears that fc's sell.
Regardless of how many made their gil through crafting etc there will always be a bunch of owners who bought theirs with gil off a site.
We wouldnt still have gil sellers spamming in Limsea daily if there was no market for them.When they dropped fc house prices when releasing them that actually helped against gil buying.But then when people hoarded multiple houses at cheap prices it drove house prices up and drove more to buying gil.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Once again why do people always have to take something out of context to win an argument.I never said all players,you have just made this assumption.
Here are the main 3 reasons people buy gil on sites.To be able to afford housing,for crafted and melded gear and for buying content clears that fc's sell.
Regardless of how many made their gil through crafting etc there will always be a bunch of owners who bought theirs with gil off a site.
We wouldnt still have gil sellers spamming in Limsea daily if there was no market for them.When they dropped fc house prices when releasing them that actually helped against gil buying.But then when people hoarded multiple houses at cheap prices it drove house prices up and drove more to buying gil.

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Gill buyers have been around for a very long time, unfortunately you are correct and wrong at the same time. SE made it extremely easy to make gill and while there are gill sellers out there it's not really an excuse. Example; I work hard to raise my crafting and learning how to manipulate the market board. You can very easily make over 10 mill if you really focus in less than 1 week. Now then with that mind set housing was no different. I made FC from the ground up and rented or sold it based on offers. It is not really hard to get housing if you know what to look for. Gill buyers take advantage of the frustration players have and like to troll peoples mind. We all know RTM is is wrong and really only people who can afford it and are trying to convince themselves they are hard workers really do it. Second accounts have been banned so we know SE is doing something about it. Now SE knows they can't get every single one so how do they compete? Jump potions is one way. So in a way it's pretty much the same thing in other forms. The same could be said about any other game online or even now a days console games were you can by currency. It's just the way society changes and everyone can feel special and cheats are the way go sadly enough. If you think about it most online games would have less subscriptions if they did not. In the end is all about ethics which unfortunately for the most part people who are still ethical get put down.

Give them x months to prune down to one house with appropriate compensation. I don't see anything unfair. Unfair would allowing them to keep more than others are allowed to have.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Once again why do people always have to take something out of context to win an argument.I never said all players,you have just made this assumption.
Here are the main 3 reasons people buy gil on sites.To be able to afford housing,for crafted and melded gear and for buying content clears that fc's sell.
Regardless of how many made their gil through crafting etc there will always be a bunch of owners who bought theirs with gil off a site.
We wouldnt still have gil sellers spamming in Limsea daily if there was no market for them.When they dropped fc house prices when releasing them that actually helped against gil buying.But then when people hoarded multiple houses at cheap prices it drove house prices up and drove more to buying gil.

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M8, your assumption (and narrative) is that if we somehow getting rid of these multiple-house owners, gil sellers will drop. Hint: it wouldn't make a dent on their long term profit. They exist mainly for people who want to hoard stuffs on market boards. Judging by the limited number of plots, their profit in housing is minuscule in the long-run, because those will run out eventually. On the other hand, market board stuffs are unending, easily available.

Stop trying to paint a bad picture on multiple-house owner and linking them with gil sellers. ANYONE can buy gil if they want to.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Give them x months to prune down to one house with appropriate compensation. I don't see anything unfair. Unfair would allowing them to keep more than others are allowed to have.

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Not going to happen thankfully. You cant even see the irony of your use of the word unfair, and what you are wanting to force upon others...

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Give them x months to prune down to one house with appropriate compensation. I don't see anything unfair. Unfair would allowing them to keep more than others are allowed to have.

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The only thing unfair about the housing system is the fact that you can't have everyone owning a house of their choice on all of their characters.

SE doesn't need to take housing from anyone to make it "fair". SE needs to make housing available to everyone to make it fair.

I understand why they don't want to take houses away from people who already have six, but when we get yet another seasonal event with yet another housing item reward that I can't use because SE has flat out forbidden me from buying a house.... yeah. It's pretty hard not to see a giant middle finger in all of that.

I am okay with this change. It kills off house flipping and prevents new land barons from arising and will slowly filter houses back into the population as multi-plot owners forget to enter some of their dwellings or when one of them takes a hiatus. I still think large scale instanced housing would have been a better way to go but I will take this.

What do you tell the person who has paid extra for another character slot so his friend or family member can play and they've also got a house. They can't pick and choose whom will loose the extra house and before you know it no-one will have an extra house, but it isn't happening today. How would you feel if they just took months of playtime and millions of gil and say nope that never happened. The solution they implemented was the right thing to do, and the right thing doesn't always please everyone nor does it have to.

Edit: To clarify, "the right thing to do" refers to not punishing players who obtained multiple houses while in compliance with the license agreement.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius

What do you tell the person who has paid extra for another character slot so his friend or family member can play and they've also got a house.

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I would tell them account sharing is against the ToS.

I would also hope had they chosen to take homes full reembursements would be had.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius

This thread is childish at best. What do you tell the person who has paid extra for another character slot so his friend or family member can play and they've also got a house. They can't pick and choose whom will loose the extra house and before you know it no-one will have an extra house, but it isn't happening today. How would you feel if they just took months of playtime and millions of gil and say nope that shit never happened try again. The solution they implemented was the right thing to do, and the right thing doesn't always please everyone nor does it have to.

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The right thing to do would be to make the only hurdle to housing being amassing the gil to buy one. What we have now is another band-aid stuck on top of a stack of old band-aids.

They expanded the number of wards again and are restricting housing from alts now. Whoopty doo.

The alt restriction shouldn't exist and the number of wards should expand and contract to meet demand.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius

The solution they implemented was the right thing to do

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No, it was yet another half-assed method to try and deal with housing that doesn't solve the fundamental problem of SE being too cheap to put the capacity in place to provide every subscriber with the ability to buy a house.

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and the right thing doesn't always please everyone nor does it have to.

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"You should be able to get a house" is not a magical unicorn that can't be achieved because it's beyond the realm of mortal technology. It's an entirely solvable problem they don't want to put the effort into solving. When they advertise a game feature prominently and then say "oh, but not for you", you can expect those people to be dissatisfied.

This is SE's biggest ongoing failure. They should apply the same thing to other areas of the game, like endgame raids. Only let half the playerbase that wants to do that in on a given week, because it doesn't have to please everybody, right? I'm sure that'll go swimmingly.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

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Yes I agree players are evil/abusers who will try anything they can within the rules and maybe redefine the rules.

It is SE job to protect us from those players within the system. I can't elect a new government to protect me, if you trust them. I can't shame them on the forums, like in the old allakazam days. The server can't punish them like we did in the old days. Cross server play means they can own multiple houses and never play with another player from that server. How is it not their fault for not protecting and governing the player base?

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Set at the right rate it could potentially cripple house hoarders and force them to relinquish some of their property due to upkeep.

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This could also hurt people who only have the one house. I don't think this is a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

No, it was yet another half-assed method to try and deal with housing that doesn't solve the fundamental problem of SE being too cheap to put the capacity in place to provide every subscriber with the ability to buy a house.



"You should be able to get a house" is not a magical unicorn that can't be achieved because it's beyond the realm of mortal technology.

This is SE's biggest ongoing failure. They should apply the same thing to other areas of the game, like endgame raids. Only let half the playerbase that wants to do that in on a given week, because it doesn't have to please everybody, right? I'm sure that'll go swimmingly.

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That is not what I meant, when I say the right thing to do I mean not punishing players by removing the houses or FCs they gathered while being in compliance to the license. That's the right thing to do. I'm all for more server capacity and being able to house everyone's account and their alts.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

I would tell them account sharing is against the ToS.

I would also hope had they chosen to take homes full reembursements would be had.

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That is just one example, the point was they have no way of telling the user's intentions for their purchases and those purchases were made while in full compliance with the license agreement.