Why do some healers feel entitled to receiving commendations?

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

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How about you don't tell people they are bad for something that is objectively only helpful? Sure I don't see a lot of tanks marking enemies in later dungeons but I would never say that someone is bad if they do. What harm is this doing exactly?

Also anything without a hard enrage is something that can be completed with a party full of tanks and healers. I would argue that there are things with an enrage that could probably be done this way as well. Please show me the content that can be completed with a full party of DPS.

There is a disparity in the necessity of these roles because of two basic facts. The first is that content is not designed to only be completed by top tier DPS, the second is that tanks and healers playing well (especially when able to focus on DPS) can put out as much or more damage than mediocre DPS. No matter how skilled a group of DPS players most content can't be cleared by DPS alone while almost all content could be done by tanks and healers without DPS.

None of this means tanks and healers are inherently more deserving of commendations but it does show that DPS are not "just as needed" as tanks and healers. Before you dismiss that try EX roulette as PLD/AST/WHM/WHM it is actually super fun.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

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I 100% agree with you there buddy.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

why the hate on mentors :/

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They already have too many commendations, rather give them to people who need them more. I'll still give it to a mentor if they performed well beyond the team, or saved us or something. As someone else said if one of them starts backseat gaming the whole time I just ignore them including commendations. Like the one in PoTD telling everyone this morning what to do then macro asking for commendation in his initial macro introduction... NO! We don't want to clear every single room and get every chest!

I do not care in the end, at least not to care enough to talk about it, but if I am carrying a group hard, like delta 4, healing and raising from people standing in dodgable damage with the other healer not doing much and I and get no coms? Yeah i feel salty. I even had one of the members point out a run that me and someone else ws the only ones doing the fight right, LB3 carry etc, or healing my butt off in PvP because people do not know how back off.

It never occurred to me that I might have got a comm or two because a player liked the way I looked. Eek! It just kind of goes to show that there can be a myriad of reasons players will give comms for. I even think the active help describes it as 'giving it to a player who has left an impression on you'. There definitely isn't anything there about entitlement, or any concrete rule really.

I also see there are some debates between DPS and healer DPS rotations, which role is the most important, who has it more difficult, etc.

*sigh*

I wish we all could just see that these things are all very trivial, and the most important thing is teamwork. The holy trinity is not about who does what better; it's about a set of skills each bring to the table and how these skills are coordinated and harmonized in order to accomplish a task, a goal, or a mission.

I personally play healer because it fits my playstyle and personality. I understand my role carries a heavy burden, but also grants me a lot of control over the flow of an instance. And by control, I mean the ability to fix things when they go wrong. But despite whatever god-complex might develop with myself and other healers, we are still the most physically weak, and have the lowest HP pool of the group. We are so squishy, and need those tanks and deeps to keep the mobs from eating our faces or we're not going very far.

My comms go to players who see things in a similar light. I can tell who they are through synergy. I don't give anyone a comm by default. You really do have to make an impression, but it is also really easy to get my comm simply by not being a sheep.

In a lot of the leveling queues and even the 50 queues DPS is more important than the healer. You hardly even need to do anything save the occasional single heal, I'll literally do other things at the same time on my other screen when I am particularly bored. :p

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

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What a stupid generalisation.

DPS are not the only people who can effectively screw up a dungeon run. I can’t count the amount of terrible tanks I have run into on using all my fingers and the same goes for healers and dps. No player of any role is perfect 100% of the time.

Recently I ran Keeper of the Lake with a BRD who was a newbie, me as WHM, a DRG and A WAR. The WAR was awful, so much so I wrote about it in Tales from the Duty Finder, they only kept agro on one enemy so as soon as I healed him I picked up everything else they had mobbed on themself. They never attempted to pull anything off of me and I would have been KO’d several times if the BRD and DRG hadn’t dps’d for their lives (and mine) and rescued me.

So no even by your logic Tank and Healer are not the only members of the player base who deserve a commendation.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

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No, it doesn't harm anything. But it is a crutch that you really shouldn't need. You should be able to hold hate in the entire pull without telling the dps, "hey only focus on this." If you need it you're not a good tank.

Also I'm not talking about gimmick parties lol. I'm saying in an expert roulette or whatever if you just have the one tank and the one healer, it's not going to be a fun dungeon for the two of you. Just like if you have only the two dps it's not going to be a fun dungeon for the two of you. Just 2 tanks and 2 healers in a trial also not gonna have a good time and same goes for the 4 dps.

Also saying a good tank and healer are better than two mediocre dps they're with is an incredible logical fallacy. You should be comparing party members of similar skill level. That means either everybody is excellent at their role or bad at it or mediocre.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

In a lot of the leveling queues and even the 50 queues DPS is more important than the healer. You hardly even need to do anything save the occasional single heal, I'll literally do other things at the same time on my other screen when I am particularly bored. :p

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These kind of instances aren't testing your ability as a healer, or anyone when your gear is significantly higher than what the instance calls out for. Everyone is, or should be in full DPS mode to get though it quickly. Even DPS themselves can't utilize their full power because things die before their rotation even starts to get going.

Your ability as a healer is put to the test when you know you need to take things seriously. When MP management becomes a factor, deciding who get healed or who gets raised, you're chomping at the bit waiting for SoS to come off of cooldown, your tank failed a mechanic right after you burned up swiftcast and you cannot raise him instantly. Decisions. Decisions. Decisions. This is where it is so easy to tell an experienced healer from one still learning the ropes, because the latter typically panics and makes decisions that are a detriment rather than a benefit.

The great thing about being a healer is that the easy and difficult situations I just described above can very well happen from back to back queues into the same instance. So again, I will mention that it isn't about which role is more important than another, it's about multiple players understanding what he/she and each of their comrades are there to do. Sometimes you're in the spotlight, other times you are hardly noticed. It's just how it goes.

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Originally Posted by Sciwolf

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hmm well when i was doing MSQ and ive entered first time Ala Mhigo , i had a very arrogant DPS who insisted on speed running , ive told him to stop it coz it was my first time tanking the dungeon and i wanted to pull only one group at a time to get a feeling for the dungeon ^^

he responded with "oh i should be gratefuld that hes here to dps for me" , then i responded with " well if u dont like it feel free to leave :P , or i can leave and find another group :P"

so no its not really only healers or tanks :P

its just the internets where people's ego rise over 9000 :P

My comm always goes to the other dps if I am a dps and the tank if I am a healer, unless someone does something that stands out. dps healers who flawlessly juggle their role with a lil extra dps instead of standing and doing nothing, for instance. Tanks that pull big and rotate their cooldowns so effectively the healer doesn't struggle is another.

The person who 100% will never get a comm from me no matter how good they are...someone who asks for them.

"Thanks for the run, and don't forget to give me a commendation!" - Nope

As far as I'm concerned, I have three rules...

First : Being a cool guy
Second : Doing your job right
Third : Sprouts have the higher chance of being commended if no one stands out

I'd commend anyone who's doing his best to have fun, and let the party have fun, by discussing a bit, or just not being an arse... Then, if I see someone that's doing his job perfectly, like BRD or MCH using their support skills, or other DPSs having an impact so high I don't even need a parse to get an idea of their DPS... Healers that don't have any problem healing, even if they pregen....

When I think about it, the one I'm less likely to commend is the tank, probably because I see their mistakes more, as a tank main myself.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

My comm always goes to the other dps if I am a dps and the tank if I am a healer, unless someone does something that stands out. dps healers who flawlessly juggle their role with a lil extra dps instead of standing and doing nothing, for instance. Tanks that pull big and rotate their cooldowns so effectively the healer doesn't struggle is another.

The person who 100% will never get a comm from me no matter how good they are...someone who asks for them.

"Thanks for the run, and don't forget to give me a commendation!" - Nope

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Does that really happen though? Even the first post does not bring it up:

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Originally Posted by Sciwolf

Not all healers, but I have noticed that a certain group of players, mainly healers and tanks, who complain on forums, reddit or you tube about not getting commendations at the end of dungeon runs.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Does that really happen though? Even the first post does not bring it up:

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Not that often, but I've seen it happen.

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Originally Posted by Sciwolf

I really wish tanks and healers got rid of this arrogant , doing-us-a-favor-for-tanking/healing, attitude. No one put a gun to your head and made you play a tank or a healer. You are not doing us any favors and no, your jobs aren't more challenging than DPS roles.

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I agree they're not any more challenging roles, but when's the last time a tank or healer asked a DPS to help them queue for a dungeon?

As an aside I don't care about commendations besides the minor gil prize given for doling out 3 of them a week. But Hell if someone wants that comm for a mount I might give it to 'em.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

I agree they're not any more challenging roles, but when's the last time a tank or healer asked a DPS to help them queue for a dungeon?.

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24-mans usually.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

No, it doesn't harm anything. But it is a crutch that you really shouldn't need. You should be able to hold hate in the entire pull without telling the dps, "hey only focus on this." If you need it you're not a good tank.

Also I'm not talking about gimmick parties lol. I'm saying in an expert roulette or whatever if you just have the one tank and the one healer, it's not going to be a fun dungeon for the two of you. Just like if you have only the two dps it's not going to be a fun dungeon for the two of you. Just 2 tanks and 2 healers in a trial also not gonna have a good time and same goes for the 4 dps.

Also saying a good tank and healer are better than two mediocre dps they're with is an incredible logical fallacy. You should be comparing party members of similar skill level. That means either everybody is excellent at their role or bad at it or mediocre.

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You missed my point by so much there it isn't even funny.

You have no idea whether someone on the forum is a good or bad tank without playing with them and certainly not from a single post not even centered on tanking. Your combative nature just makes you look insecure to be honest.

In terms of tank/healer parties and DPS parties the difference is tanks and healers can actually clear most content without DPS while the inverse just isn't true. Great DPS are a huge asset to a group but they do not hold a candle to the necessity of tanks and healers. I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings but this is not an egalitarian argument - all roles were not created equal.

I compare suboptimal DPS and good tanks and healers because the necessary DPS to complete most dungeons is possible from subpar DPS and therefor also from a focused team of tanks/healers. Support roles in this game put out enough damage to kill enemies while DD roles do not have the necessary support abilities to live without those support roles filled.

Badically we can do your job good enough to get by but you can't flip that around. Is this getting through yet?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

In a lot of the leveling queues and even the 50 queues DPS is more important than the healer. You hardly even need to do anything save the occasional single heal, I'll literally do other things at the same time on my other screen when I am particularly bored. :p

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This is an example of a post where you would have a reasonable argument to say someone is performing their job poorly. They aren't even focused on the dungeon and it certainly doesn't sound like max DPS uptime much less the ability to clutch heal and save the day because they wouldn't even know what was going on.

Also to respond to this "point" I would like to see a group clear most of that content without tanks and healers. Outgearing things is great but without some awesome party synergy and timings on potions/defensive cooldowns/self heals you would have literally no chance. There are certainly many leveling/50 dungeons that would be completely impassable, particularly things like Keeper or Chrysalis for 8man where you have a large amount of raidwide damage or tankbusters to contend with.

Edit: I am not saying tanks and healers deserve anything extra or that they are overall more challenging to play, only that they are more necessary parts of a party than DPS in the vast majority of content.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

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I literally never said you were a bad tank. I stated my opinion on numbering mobs. Past a certain level they are unnecessary outside of raid settings. If you need them in post 30 leveling content and expert roulette, it is a crutch that you use as an excuse to not properly build hate on multiple mobs. I have experienced this healing tanks in the past week. Every single one of them insisted on marking mobs in level 70 content and lost hate if their markers went on ignored. This was in Kugane Caste, Shinryu, etc. you can think of me as "combatative " and "insecure" all you wish. Doesn't change things that have literally happened.

But yes, feel free to tell the healer main about judging via posts while telling her she has hurt feelings over your opinions on the importance of dps. My posts have always been that healers and tanks are not more deserving of comms than dps. You seem to agree so I'm not sure why your arguing with me.

Frankly the only time I'm even mildly salty about not getting commendations is if I did something raid saving, regardless of if I'm a healer/tank/etc. Beyond that I tend to give out my comms like this; best DPS > DPS who was trying their hardest and wasn't a dick > amazing tank > amazing healer > everyone else with the exception of... > the person causing all the wipes or being salty in chat. Depending on the circumstances I might just refuse to comm at all.

Commendations are a bad idea simply because it feels like a critque. If you're a healer or a tank and you get no comms, you feel slighted because it's like getting zero stars in a yelp review. Who needs that? Everyone should just get a dungeon point for completing the run and leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Does that really happen though? Even the first post does not bring it up:

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I assume you mean people who ask for comms?

Yep, have run into more than once. Sometimes at the end of dungeons, sometimes during trials before it even begins. It's not common, but does happen.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

Commendations are a bad idea simply because it feels like a critque. If you're a healer or a tank and you get no comms, you feel slighted because it's like getting zero stars in a yelp review. Who needs that? Everyone should just get a dungeon point for completing the run and leave it at that.

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It might be an interesting test to put in a 'Condemnation' option in there as well.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

Commendations are a bad idea simply because it feels like a critque. If you're a healer or a tank and you get no comms, you feel slighted because it's like getting zero stars in a yelp review. Who needs that? Everyone should just get a dungeon point for completing the run and leave it at that.

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Just because you play a game, doesn't mean you deserve a trophy.

If you feel slighting for not getting a lil extra acknowledgement for doing what you are supposed to do in a digital dungeon, may I suggest never leaving your bedroom lol

As a red mage I feel entitled to commendations when I repeatedly raise the healer, preventing full party wipes.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

Commendations are a bad idea simply because it feels like a critque. If you're a healer or a tank and you get no comms, you feel slighted because it's like getting zero stars in a yelp review. Who needs that? Everyone should just get a dungeon point for completing the run and leave it at that.

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And maybe it is some sort of "small" critque? And just maybe thats not a totally bad thing? I mean, I get it - its a game, we all want to feel pretty and mighty and powerful here so any form of critque, as small as it might be, isnt welcome.
But here is how you should deal with getting (or not getting commendations) in my opinion:
First off - dont take the whole thing to seriously or to much to heart. If this thread shows one thing again its that people give out commendation for lots of reasons, not only because of great performance (seriously, as long as you dont mess up horribly you'd get mine just for being a FemRoe).
Second: If you feel you'd deserved a commendation but didnt get one, ask yourself "Was there someone better in the run? Who might deserved that commendation more than me, so they got it?" - or, even better, re-evalute yourself and ask "Mmh, that wasnt enough it seems, so how can I improve?"

I main a tank and I couldnt care less about the commendations I get for tanking dungeons. I dont feel "slighted" or criticized when I dont get one - if someone does feel that way however, they might need to work on their attitude, specially if they're a tank or healer and seem to just expect getting a commendation for doing their job.
And to answer "Who needs that?": While I dont care about my tank-commendationsm, I do care a little about the ones I'm getting as healer in PvP - because those feel like a pat on the back.
We dont need to reward participation alone all the time. We dont need to put people in that kind of bubble wrap. Sometimes someone else just did better than you and you just need to be able to deal with that.
...and if you cant, if it truely upsets you that someone didnt thought you were special enough to recive their commendation: Ignore the whole system and focus on your "Completed duties"-achievment. Because there you go - stickers for just running dungeons are already in the game! (...granted they could need some actual rewards... but they're there.)

I'm seeing it this way: Getting a commendation is nice - not getting one doesnt bother me. Seems like a healthy stance to me - if someone cant deal with not getting a commendation I kinda pity them.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

First of all if you're having trouble with any large pull in Bardam's Mettle you're either woefully under-geared for the dungeon or not using your toolkit to its full potential to put things politely. Source: have done barrier to barrier pulls with the full party at ~i265-i270. If you're marking enemies past level30, you are not a good tank full stop. The exception is in savage but you'll usually verbally communicating those things anyway. That and you're acting like healers and tanks don't make mistakes and that dps don't have utilities they use to support the party as well.

Everyone's job becomes more difficult based on other members performance. Healers do not deserve commendations for queueing up as the job they chose to queue up for more than anybody else. People commend whoever they like or no one at all. None should feel entitled to a comm more than anyone else.

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Do you do the full first 3 pulls with i265-270 people in one pull? Just wondering. As a tank I do not do that unless I trust both DPS and the healer to be better then your average DF runner, skill wise. Mega pulls like that can wipe if you have a bad dps (unless the healer is god, I had such a healer once in the 61 DF on that huge pull you do on that boss. Was impresed as hell how long I was kept up for because the other DPS didn't know what an aoe skill was (plus I think that person had some i130-i200 gear in random slots in the right side, think even that lv 30 exp ring)) Yeah that was not fun.

In the end of the day healers and tanks have the most slack to cover for in the case of bad dps. If we are talking everyone being at least being competent, then yeah no role deserves a com more then another, but if a tank, like PLD needing to use Clemency more then normal, or a healer casting more raises and healing more then normal due to "standing in bad" then i say they deserve a com.

If there is something going on, say tank just being average while a BRD/MCH uses refresh, or a caster that uses manashift without being asked, I will com them. I also am willing to com DPS for well timed LBs. I com whoever is taking an extra step over the rest depending what is going on. The only time I do not com anyone is when everyone is subpar or if the only one doing the extra left too fast.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

As a red mage I feel entitled to commendations when I repeatedly raise the healer, preventing full party wipes.

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In a raid setting? I would definitely give you a com, or raising for me when I am hurting on mp because of a bad co healer. For 4 man? sure why not , if I make a mistake and you raise me without being asked (A few times I have to ask/tell SMN) I would give a com to. I remember a SMN not willing to hard cast raise despite both healer being dead and my co would not raise me, not coming that, we almost wiped from it.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

Not that often, but I've seen it happen.

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I see

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I assume you mean people who ask for comms?

Yep, have run into more than once. Sometimes at the end of dungeons, sometimes during trials before it even begins. It's not common, but does happen.

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trials? lamo OKAY! *ignores* or was it some hard trial where the healer carried? I gotta admit I got tempted on a few Zurvan runs to saying that. I had to raise people as SMN once, then a full wipe was prevented by me because it allowed the healer to LB3 (Only me as SMN and a tank was alive)

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

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I never said that you said I was a bad tank, you outright called someone a bad tank for marking enemies a few pages back. That is first off not true and second of all rude. I am also a healer main. You seem to be really offended at the idea that tanks and healers don't need DPS in the same way DPS need tanks and healers to the point of mental gymnastics to avoid that fact.


I have said numerous times at this point that despite the overall importance disparity between support and damage roles does not entitle support roles to anything extra, particularly something so rooted in personal choice.

I haven't argued with you, I criticized you for personally attacking another person and then poked holes in the notion that DPS are as essential to party composition as tanks and healers.

At this point if you just don't further personally attack anyone or continue this logically unsound narrative of complete role equality then we can let this drop. On the subject of the thread I have no issue with you, only with how you've conducted yourself.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

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Someone argued that dps are "bad" if they do not follow a tank's markers. I challenged it with "past a certain point the tank shouldn't be using markers in the first place." If that is a personal attack to you, then I don't know what to tell you other than your reaching for motivations that are not there. "You" is not always referring to the person being spoken to and often is used in the Royal sense in most general discussion. But forgive me next time I'll spend the extra 5 characters to add the clunky "royal" every time I'm having a video game discussion on the internet /kappa.

All roles are equally important to a smooth dungeon/ trial run. There is nothing logically unsound about this. What's logically unsound is your insistence that a comparison between excellent healers/ tanks and mediocre dps is a accurate measure of overall role worth.

I always give it to the dps unless they are absolutely dreadful then noone gets one, I won't give it to the healer or tanks becuase they always get one....When I leveled my tanks and healers I would always get 3 comms and would think to myself "that certain dps was really good why didn't they get three instead of the one I gave them" just my personal opinion and experience

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Originally Posted by Aomine1992

I always give it to the dps unless they are absolutely dreadful then noone gets one, I won't give it to the healer or tanks becuase they always get one....When I leveled my tanks and healers I would always get 3 comms and would think to myself "that certain dps was really good why didn't they get three instead of the one I gave them" just my personal opinion and experience

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So that is why I get no coms even when I carry runs? nice.

People should stop auto com based on role and based what happens in the run.

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Originally Posted by Pells

This sounds like using two skills, not one.

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Hahahahahahahahahaha really?

Pressing 2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 is so infinitely more challenging than 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

In a good group, it's arguable that it's even worth it to put the DoT up, because stuff will just die too quick anyway.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

So that is why I get no coms even when I carry runs? nice.

People should stop auto com based on role and based what happens in the run.

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Well the fact that you solely believe that you're responsible for a groups success is probably why you get no comms I was speaking from my own expierence ppl auto com healers and tanks 90% of the time and the dps are left out so yes what happens in the run does matter but it's usually most of the same crap anyways but a dps knowing their rotation well and doing way above average deserves a com sorry if that doesn't sit right with you...

People don't deserve comms outright for just being a healer, in fact many of the healers I encounter in DF are supremely lazy. But when you go all out, keep everyone topped off, DPS or at times solo heal a primal fight because your co-heal was dead for 90% of it and walk away with no comms, it stings a bit. There are times I've absolutely carried the entire squad and nothing, other times I've been showered with comms on runs where everything was smooth. Unless you play a role regularly and deal with both the good and bad runs then you may fail to appreciate the miracles people pull out of their hats.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

Just because you play a game, doesn't mean you deserve a trophy.

If you feel slighting for not getting a lil extra acknowledgement for doing what you are supposed to do in a digital dungeon, may I suggest never leaving your bedroom lol

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Love the sassy cool kid response. For most players it goes like this:

The Fantasy: "I'm too cool to care what strangers think. I march to my own beat." The Reality: "Ohhhh, I got a comm. The feels gooood.

"Why do you expect people to acknowledge you when you do a good job?"

I mean, I don't, but it doesn't make me respect you anymore for not noticing everything I did that led to our success.


There are two types of arrogance. One is an arrogance founded on nothing, and the other is an arrogance founded on experience. I never say "follow me and you'll definitely succeed", since everyone makes mistakes, including myself, and I can't usually carry everyone to victory single handedly. I also don't say "follow me and you'll likely stand a better chance than if you were to believe in yourself", since I don't likely know you, and you might actually be a good player, and the sentiment probably wouldn't tide over regardless. I just come to terms with the idea that good players are good because they have enough retrospect to understand their place properly to some degree, and bad players are the truly arrogant ones that I won't even attempt to communicate with due to the high chance of it creating an even bigger hassle than I'm already dealing with.

I don't go around complaining about every commendation I don't get, but when I am bitter about not receiving a commendation, it's because I deserved to receive them. If I do a poor job, I would be more content with not receiving any than actually getting a commendation, as that would be what I deserve.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

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Well, the idea is: the players who recieve the commendations are the ones who do the most to help the party succeed. It's a way of saying 'thanks.' Tanks get them a lot because Tanks are the ones who come closest to dying in a good run, while hopefully setting a good pace, and kicking in some solid damage. Ditto for healers because they take care of the whole group. But if you read many of the responses in this thread, comms are just arbitrarily given out or denied for the lamest reasons imaginable. Healers play a boring role, tanks play a dangerous role, but if someone perfidiously decides you haven't played to the standards of the support role he himself refuses to play as (looking at you people who level tanks and healers but never run dungeons as them), they won't do anything except mock you or complain. Screw it. Commendations are dumb and should be done away with.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

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Oh that is something I definitely am not. lol

But comms are really a /shrug to me. I take no insult in not getting them and I am indifferent when I get them.
Of course I don't need to feel validated for sneezing either.

Wow this thread blew up in a day. Wish I noticed it when it wad only a few pages. FYI, I did not read every post. Now I main SCH, and yes I do tend to get commies for being a healer. But, I get commies on all 3 of my jobs. My friends tell me it's this hi macro I created. I generally try and be a nice person, cause honestly being a douche is too much work. I joke if I can, admit to mistakes, some that arent even mine and I just try to enjoy myself. I don't expect a commie, bit it is a nice feeling when you see 3 or more coming your way. I have 4,127, I must be doing something right. And I know it might seem braggy to post my number, I'll post a pic if anyone wants proof. But, I'm proud of that number, because in some way I stood out. And to a shy, introverted, depressed person, something trivial like that can mean everything, because it makes me feel like I am able to contribute to something; when I feel like I contribute nothing to society.

Okay done boasting, XD

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Originally Posted by Aomine1992

Well the fact that you solely believe that you're responsible for a groups success is probably why you get no comms I was speaking from my own expierence ppl auto com healers and tanks 90% of the time and the dps are left out so yes what happens in the run does matter but it's usually most of the same crap anyways but a dps knowing their rotation well and doing way above average deserves a com sorry if that doesn't sit right with you...

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When people keep eating aoes, I have to use all my CDs, pushing my mp down to near zero from raises, hitting lb3 to save a wipe with 6/8 dead. I am doing more work then the best DPS in the world, sorry if that doesn't sit right with you. I do not speak out on it at all, and once someone did it for me, saying me and a tank (not both just one) where the only ones doing the fight correctly and the reason why we beat it. I should get coms in those cases. Stop assuming healers get coms all the time because it is not the case, and it does sing a bit when we clearly carry and get none because people of your mind set. I was wondering why I do not get coms in those cases. So no it is not "I solely believe" It is a fact and I had others say something about it before. If you are suggesting it is from asking for coms in those cases, no I do not do that.

Oh look someone that shares my point:

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Originally Posted by Wobi

People don't deserve comms outright for just being a healer, in fact many of the healers I encounter in DF are supremely lazy. But when you go all out, keep everyone topped off, DPS or at times solo heal a primal fight because your co-heal was dead for 90% of it and walk away with no comms, it stings a bit. There are times I've absolutely carried the entire squad and nothing, other times I've been showered with comms on runs where everything was smooth. Unless you play a role regularly and deal with both the good and bad runs then you may fail to appreciate the miracles people pull out of their hats.

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Most people don't even pay attention to look at what others in the group is doing to notice a " save" of whatever from what I've seen. But I do se more of healers andtanks getting the comms mostly cause people are condition to think that way. How many people make the joke DPS players are - insert any joke here- all the time? 9 times out of 10 they wil get comms just for being there. It's wrong, but that's what people do. I kindof go out my way to comm the other DPS if I see that they were putting in the work. Most of the time I don't really comm anyone but thats because people jet out the dungeon before it can pop up.

I feel like I'm getting more commendations as a healer then I ever did as a tank.

I make it a note to push out as much DPS as possible, so maybe that helps.