So why play anything other then paladin?

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Originally Posted by Faytte

So we lived in a world where it was only ever worth playing drk and war and no one complained.
Now paladin is quite good and the others, while maybe worse, can tank just fine, and everyone i loosing their minds.

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People did talk and SE listened its just that they forgot about the two other tanks while fixing the PLD.

I will personally buy and consume a leather cowboy hat if they buff up warrior and dark knight enough to take them over paladin come raid, thats a worthwhile trade. If they make all 3 of the tanks equally viable I'll eat two hats.

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Originally Posted by SeriousxSarcasm

Stuff like this makes me laugh. Let PLDs have their time in the sun. They've spend the last 3-4 years being belittled and ridiculed for choosing "the under dog" Job, while WARs strutted around, and later DRK stole main tank out from under them. You know what people said to PLD mains when they complained about this? "Switch to a real tank." How you can expect anyone to have any sympathy after that kind of nonsense completely amazes me.

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no one needs their sympathy, still a fact that WAR and DRK needs to change
and you're speaking like PLD never dominated, in early 2.0 the tank meta were dual PLD while WAR was unusable,since SE has the mindset to make 1 job stronger than others instead of making 3 tanks equal means in 5.0 PLD will lose their spotlight again and "switch to real tank" will make a return,and hey i don't think they deserves any kind of sympathy and should be ignored after being cocky in 4.0 right?

It also exacerbates the issue that WAR was in such a good spot. the higher you are, the more it hurts when you fall. and on top of that, they also changed the playstyle at the same time. double whammy. DRK got similar treatement if I read correctly (don't play, so have to take on faith).

I'm glad the got PLD up to snuff. Now they need to tweak DRK and WAR some too...no reason to leave 2/3 jobs in the dust for a whole Xpac.

i dont understand how people make this so personal "my class deserves whatever lol" and so forth. some of us play all of the tank classes. warrior might have been my favorite since 2.0, but i played paladin in 2.0 as well

i'm playing paladin in SB because they had a really good design going for warrior and I haven't played it yet but just reading about changes it sounds super trashy and unfun to play now. paladins just have this ridiculous amount of utlity + the strengths of both tanks and more now.

dont get mad at people who just want to be wanted in groups lol get mad at all the people who think having 2 paladin tanks is going to make the difference between killing a primal and not killing it. it's their fault that you're upset about the things you're talking about lmao

As someone who has played and leveled all of the tanks to 60 pre SB - all I can say is I have no sympathy for the people who mained war/drk and made comments over the last 2-3 years to pld players such as calling them "subpar" and "inferior" openly in chat. I especially have no sympathy for those who used comments such as "switch to real tank." In a way I feel that this is sweet karma for the torment pld players have endured for years.

As for if there is a reason to play the other tanks? Sure, because you like them? And unless you're grouping with elitists then you can most likely clear any of the content on any class. It may not be the "best" meta - but the "best" meta is usually only required by those who live to be server/world firsts.

I plan to level warrior to 70 because I enjoyed the class pre SB. I didn't feel the warrior's duty was to FelCleave everything though.

Have not played the other tanks yet. WAR still looks good on the surface. It's AoE burst looks particularly impressive for a tank.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

Once again another thread is made using data from the media tour. Yes, I'm aware of the spreadsheet that showed Paladins having a higher overall Potency. But that's kind of pointless now considering redditers are now picking apart the actual patch itself as we speak. The doom and gloom is pretty silly when the data is about to be changed any hour now.

Anyone that thinks Paladins will retain the highest DPS of the three tanks when the servers go live hasn't been playing this game for very long. [Posted by a career Paladin

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What's it like being wrong?

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Originally Posted by Tegernako

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Roasted hot dam.

Wth is with all of these other PLD's putting down WAR's and DRK's now. Where's your sense of competition. Us being just straight the ''best'' tank isn't good for anyone, it doesn't encourage us to grow in our class, it doesn't encourage good tank to tank synergy. I learned so much more as a PLD whenever we were the underdog class, because I wanted to prove PLD's worth and because I didn't have the cushion of just being the ''best'' and no class should have that luxury.

It's pretty childish and petty to think that one class being so far above the others is any sort of good thing, even if it's your own class

The amount of doom and gloom here is kind of sad. I have been playing Dark Knight at 70 and have been having no issues whatsoever when it comes to the Expert dungeons as well as the Primal Extreme fights. Maybe they aren't as great on paper in comparison to Paladin, but it's not like you can't play the game if you actually understand what your abilities do... There is no way that the development team is ignorant to what people are complaining about. Give your constructive feedback and continue to PLAY the game. All large games have a ton of telemetry for gathering metrics on these kinds of things.

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Originally Posted by Tegernako

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Most of the susano ex parses are showing the tanks dps to be pretty similar. xenosys vex was consistently out dpsing the PLD in his group when I was watching his stream last night, he was even keeping up with the 3rd and 4th dps. That 20% more dps for PLD spreadsheet is not really panning out.

Paladins are in a good spot atm. WAR and DRK took a hit but they were also leagues ahead. Your mind mind tell you they swapped but the truth is that they are all pretty similar. WAR still provides group buffs, has fantastic self burst healing and other great mechanics. DRK can throw damage shields around like crazy as an MT or OT. And while Paladin ST dps might be better than than DRKS (unproven) they are never gonna touch eithers aoe dps even with their new aoe move. Paladins just go reestablished as main tanks and are not crap as OT's, while Warrior is still amazing at OT and serviceable MT and DRK can do fine in both roles.

On a macro level all tanks are fine. On a fine tuning level just leave your feedback and stop being over dramatic.

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Originally Posted by Ciderfox

Most of the susano ex parses are showing the tanks dps to be pretty similar. xenosys vex was consistently out dpsing the PLD in his group when I was watching his stream last night, he was even keeping up with the 3rd and 4th dps. That 20% more dps for PLD spreadsheet is not really panning out.

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I personally cant wait for next episode of Unchained as xeno and co usually does really deep tank analyzing in that show, and untill first raid tier its hard to say what will the numbers be when content gets serious. Gameplay vise PLD is now how it should have been in 2.0 so better late than never i guess, but numbers can still be tweaked so if it does most deeps while having all these new utility tools then i can see some nerfs coming in 4.1 assuming those utilities are actually useful in savage.

I have to agree with MomoOG,Faytte and Ciderfox. As a main Paladin myself i enjoyed playing warrior on my boyfriends account. All tanks bring something different now to the table, which makes them all viable for any content. I have tried out the 3 of them at dungeon runs and they seem fine. Damage is not too far apart from each other. In the end it all comes down to player skill and how optimal/geared are you playing your class.

We will have to see how they play with the content for Raids and how needed each one of the tanks are for their skills. If you like a class don't give it up because X class is the most optimal on paper/spreadsheets. The only thing i noticed with all 3 is a lack of keeping good aoe enmity when running with some specific dps classes. I have been encouraging a lot people to please use Diversion before burst damage phases and it helps a lot. Overall all tanks have a different flavor to them now, from this expansion on wards devs probably want to give each tank its own identity/feel. They are most likely looking more towards the future of each tank and not just for Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by Valdo_Mcleod

I have to agree with MomoOG,Faytte and Ciderfox. As a main Paladin myself i enjoyed playing warrior on my boyfriends account. All tanks bring something different now to the table, which makes them all viable for any content. I have tried out the 3 of them at dungeon runs and they seem fine. Damage is not too far apart from each other. In the end it all comes down to player skill and how optimal/geared are you playing your class.

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i thought warrior was fine when i did titan

but according the community it wasn't lol. my static didn't run into problems until turn 5 but people stuck warriors with the stigma regardless

All of you stay off PLD. Leave it to me. I was PLD when people didn't want us for Gordias. Keep your filthy DRKs and WARs.

Reminds me of 3.x where no one wanted a PLD in there group due to there lack of DPS and utility, and the meta was WAR and DRK. I even switched to WAR in 3.x from PLD due to no one wanting PLD in there static. This is always going to go round and round. I don't think it is fixable to-be honest, as raids will always favor the most dps output from the tanks and utility second. Will be interesting to see what the new raid content is about, which will be the deciding factor.

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Originally Posted by Faeon

Reminds me of 3.x where no one wanted a PLD in there group due to there lack of DPS and utility, and the meta was WAR and DRK. I even switched to WAR in 3.x from PLD due to no one wanting PLD in there static. This is always going to go round and round. I don't think it is fixable to-be honest, as raids will always favor the most dps output from the tanks and utility second. Will be interesting to see what the new raid content is about, which will be the deciding factor.

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Nope. It IS fixable. SE is just not competent enough to do it. Thats why WAR was Trash in 2.0. Thats why PLD was unwanted in HW.

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Originally Posted by Bdyer

One thing the paladins can't do as well as the other tanks is aoe damage. Drk has much better sustain on large pulls and War will beat in aoe damage with 6 steel cyclones.

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.... please tell me your secret for 6 steel cyclones....