[Dev 1081] Achievements

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Originally Posted by Meimei

My question is, with achievements based upon reaching every aetherial gate and aetheryte camp, will they finally remove the level ~90 mobs (the aggressive ones) that now one-shot everybody and never had any reason to exist in a game where we can only reach level 50?

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It's not much of an achievement if you can just saunter in to every camp with your hands tied behind your back :)

I agree that it's frustrating getting one-shotted at 50, but I also like the fact that I'm not invincible and that there is still some risk to exploration.

On topic - I'm looking forward to these achievements. It'll give me something to do when nobody in LS is on (which seems to be the case more often than not these days).

I started a http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...evement-ideas! thread for ideas for achievements and what they could do with em, few days ago.

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Originally Posted by Tsuga

It's not much of an achievement if you can just saunter in to every camp with your hands tied behind your back :)

I agree that it's frustrating getting one-shotted at 50, but I also like the fact that I'm not invincible and that there is still some risk to exploration.

On topic - I'm looking forward to these achievements. It'll give me something to do when nobody in LS is on (which seems to be the case more often than not these days).

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Kinda silly and wasteful to have all that data and no reasonable way for players to use it. Would be nice to scale the mobs down to the current player level range and use it for additional content and alternative leveling areas. Rather than have it rot like it is now.

Personally I don't feel that objectives like, reach all the nodes, should really be a challenge. Challenge is more reserved for defeat Moogle King type of achievements.

It would be sad to those who already completed these things. but the server data is there, so possibly it will be able to recognize their information and then reward them on the achievement menu accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Kio

Kinda silly and wasteful to have all that data and no reasonable way for players to use it. Would be nice to scale the mobs down to the current player level range and use it for additional content and alternative leveling areas. Rather than have it rot like it is now.

Personally I don't feel that objectives like, reach all the nodes, should really be a challenge. Challenge is more reserved for defeat Moogle King type of achievements.

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I understand where you're coming from. I'm just of the opinion that any content that's worth points, or rewards should present some sort of challenge, and that it should force you to use your brain a little bit (running past a bunch of mobs on your chocobo that you know won't aggro you requires no thought).

Also I have to assume that the high level mobs exist for when we get to that level (the cap will go up to 99 eventually, as evidence by the higher tier spells/skills, and armor that were dug up in the dats). They're mostly just scaled up versions of the lower level mobs, and I'm guessing that they were placed in the fields for the purpose of providing a road block for high level players, so that they are forced to tread lightly in some situations.

That's of course if you're under the assumption that all the achievements were created for only level 50 people to obtain.

Personally, I feel the node one is more mid level player goal like 10-35. Eventually when we have new players and not just us die hards come on, they will need their stepping stone goals to accomplish as well.

Looking through the list of the upcoming achievements has me fairly happy. And, by the looks of a few, they're going to take a while to earn. Talk about long term goals. Take the Assimilator; convert 1,000 items in materia. Holy wow! o.O How many materia do you convert on a normal day? 10 a day would take over 3 months!

Whoa, whoa, whoa, you say. It that a bit too much? Well, how about trying to earn that title within a year? Then you better start converting at least 3 a day.


And don't even get me started on how long it'll take to get that Butcher's Crown! (Oh, who am I kidding. Multiple the numbers needed per day from above by 100 to get a feel of what you would have to do. Hey marmot, I don't like your face!)


Some of them I'm somewhat indifferent about. Achieve gladiator level 10 or miner level 20. Assuming its every 10 levels for an achievement that makes it 5 achievements per class. With 19 classes in the game that's 95 achievements out of 300+ just for those.

Hmmm clarification on this is a must. I personally do not care if i get every achievement but i know many hunters....like my ls lead who is r50 all. Would be a serious kick in the nuts if a decent amount of this did not carry over.

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Originally Posted by Fuma-Kotaro

Hmmm clarification on this is a must. I personally do not care if i get every achievement but i know many hunters....like my ls lead who is r50 all. Would be a serious kick in the nuts if a decent amount of this did not carry over.

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I think anything that you can't earn again will have to be carried over. For the other ones, it's more of an inconvenience but I am able to defeat 10,000 enemies again. I'll never be able to ding 50 as a PUG again.

I hate this not knowing part >_<

I'm really looking forward to this! This sounds way better than what I had in mind. :)

Accumlative achievements are weak. Basically based on a players playtime, the more playtime the more achievements gained by that player.

Would rather see stuff based on a players skill such as something like:
Solo any level 50 faction leve
Defeat any SH boss with no more than 4 members in your party
Defeat Ifrit with a party where at least 1 of each DoW and 1 of each DoM class is present within the party

Things like this seem better and adds more to the game. Even though it would be easy to cheat these examples above stuff like this trumps achievements like kill 100k enemies and finish 10 leves.

yes.. I need to know this.. I got achievement for kill 100,000 enemies since the time when I level my all R50 DoW, now I don't want to do all that process again without exp.

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Originally Posted by xCid

Accumulative achievements are weak. Basically based on a players playtime, the more playtime the more achievements gained by that player.

Would rather see stuff based on a players skill such as something like:
Solo any level 50 faction leve
Defeat any SH boss with no more than 4 members in your party
Defeat Ifrit with a party where at least 1 of each DoW and 1 of each DoM class is present within the party

Things like this seem better and adds more to the game. Even though it would be easy to cheat these examples above stuff like this trumps achievements like kill 100k enemies and finish 10 leves.

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I don't mind cumulative achievements but I'd also like a whole slew of skill based ones like you mentioned. This is where an achievement system can really shine. Like Alise said, she leveled up all her classes to 50 and in the process got 100,000 kills. She shouldn't need to do that all over again. And that achievement only rewards you for doing something you were going to do in the first place. It should be about how you go about doing something.

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Originally Posted by Kio

That's of course if you're under the assumption that all the achievements were created for only level 50 people to obtain.

Personally, I feel the node one is more mid level player goal like 10-35. Eventually when we have new players and not just us die hards come on, they will need their stepping stone goals to accomplish as well.

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But by that logic all of the mobs around Lv40 and 50 camps should have their levels dropped, too. A low level would be hard pressed to get to Broken Water without incurring the wrath of the mob of Gnats and Diremites that stand in their way.

The Aetheryte achievements seem more like something that you would be expected to complete throughout your experience of leveling. Unless of course you know a high level player that's willing to drop all of their anima on you to port you to all of the camps.

What about achievements that are no longer available because of the achievement revisions? Do those who took all the time to earn them still get to keep them, or are they removed entirely?

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Originally Posted by Triairy

However for example “completed the 7th Umbral Era” or other achievements which can be completed up until 2.0 will exist.

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We know that SE assured us about content and achievements experienced before 2.0 would be kept for the players who earned them, even after 2.0 despite the fact other players can never earn them. This description seems to be entirely valid for my question above, and I just want some sort of confirmation that our previous efforts are not nullified.

Ive been spending the last two weeks trying to get every single guild mark ability so i can get those "history" achievements ... People stop trying to speculate since its pointless...everytime i've tried to do something pre-emptive as far as trying to "beat the patch" ive been burned. Just let the game be and eventually (hopefully) it will balance out. I am pretty sure though i'd probably give up if there were achievements that werent retroactive or removed (physical level 50) (any class rank). Oh well I can always remake my character and have my ls pl my character back to the way it was...should only take about two weeks?

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Currencies
Meritorious deeds related to gil and other in-game currencies.

Example:

Earn a cumulative total of 1,000 gil from levequests.
Earn a cumulative total of 1,000 gil from defeating enemies.

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does this mean enemies will drop gil now???

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Originally Posted by Lexa

does this mean enemies will drop gil now???

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Player species humanoids always have

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Originally Posted by Lexa

does this mean enemies will drop gil now???

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Enemies already drop gil...

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Originally Posted by normalforce

I think anything that you can't earn again will have to be carried over. For the other ones, it's more of an inconvenience but I am able to defeat 10,000 enemies again. I'll never be able to ding 50 as a PUG again.

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Yes...i guess that is true. However if you have everything 50 what is the max number of kills you will get at one time? Maybe 50 if you are running some raid type. The problem is without a lvl cap raise you would be forced to kill mobs for no reason to get this. Which ....blows.

Still no official confirmation on this? Only player guessing so far.

They received an answer to this subject in the JP forums, if anyone other than Google could translate it correctly ^^

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Originally Posted by Triairy

皆さん、こんばんは。

カウントはこれまでのものが引き継がれるのか、パッチ1.20からカウントされるのかという件についてですが、
これまでデータとしてカウントしていなかった以下の項目に関してのみ、パッチ1.20公開時点からカウントされます。
※カテゴリーアンロックした時点ではなく、パッチ公開時点からカウントされます。

• 製作回数
• 採集回数
• 禁断のマテリア成功回数
• 「テンプラーチェーンコイフ／テンプラーホーバージョン／テンプラーソルレット／テンプラータセットをすべて入手する」
  などの装備アイテムを集めるアチーブメント
  これは、各装備アイテムを装備した状態でNPCに話しかけることで達成となるため、
  パッチ1.20以前に入手していても、手元にない場合には達成することができません。

それ以外の項目については、すべてパッチ1.20以前の実績もカウントされています。

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Is it me, or is this just something to keep people "busy". Not really good content, but just "busy" content...I just want to know if I'm the only one who feels this way about the achievements. TBH, on my PS games, I never cared about getting any trophies, I was more concerned with having fun.

I understand that some gear will be given, but will the gear be functional instead of just aesthetics? I wouldn't mind doing achievements if the gear actually has a decent function.

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Originally Posted by LillithaFenimore

Is it me, or is this just something to keep people "busy". Not really good content, but just "busy" content...

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That's a personal perception -- when people look at a game in a negative light in any way they'll immediately think of anything added as 'not actual content'. For example if you view this as "busy content" you can view the moogle fight as "busy content" as well depending on your personal perception on what you find 'good/busy/bad content'. All content in MMOs are considered 'busy content' because they're designed to keep you playing and whether you like it or not is up to personal preference.

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TBH, on my PS games, I never cared about getting any trophies, I was more concerned with having fun.

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Single player games aren't about achievements, they're nice to have to show off you did x goal but you don't play a game like Saints Row for example because you want an achievement, you play it for the storyline and gameplay because a lot of achievements for offline games are "you completed this story" or "you killed 10 people with a headshot". MMORPG achievements are different, they're treated more as a content type (like quests are considered content) as they reward you, 99% of the time achievements in offline games don't reward you unless the company throws in content that requires you to do x, y, z achievements in order to access it, or they give you a special gun for getting a pistol mastery achievement etc.

Adding the achievements is putting in incentives to complete the content already in place. It's a reward for playing.

In the course of getting these acheivements you will also build a more versetile PC. In addition, a longer history.

I don't much like "grinding content" but all other story related content as well as house building, garden-have, chocobo-raising and large scale changes are in the future.

I think 1.20 will hold me until 1.21 for the most part.

That's all I'm asking for frankly.

I'm actually very pleased that they're taking a cue from other games with the way they're implementing the achievement system. Yes, the interface isn't very flashy, but it honestly matches the UI we have now.

I'm more interested in the setup/content than how it looks.

My concern was that the achievements would only be focused on more endgame feats, but I'm glad to see that's not the case. It's good that there are things people of all levels can work on. Exploration, leveling milestones, battle, crafting, seasonal events, quests, dungeons, and more.

I'm also glad that only the more challenging achievements reward items. I didn't want to see the achievement system turn into a loot pinata.

Some people will always feel that achievements aren't real content, that they are just busy work. But for OCD people like me, it's like a mini-game to collect them all.

After WoW implemented the achievement system, I was never bored again. I always had something to be working on.

Have to say this is one thing I'm actually looking forward to. Good job, SE! :D

Thought I'd translate what has been said on french forums for people having questions.

Youmukon confirmed that achievements will be retroactive.

Example: if an achievement requires you to have completed 3 quests, then a message will appear directly on your screen confirming that you gained the achievement.

The exception are achievement linked to gear sets. You will have to wear the gbear set and go talk to a NPC. If you had the gear in the past, but don't have it anymore, it won't work.

There are also 3 type of achievements that won't be automatically unlocked:
- Synthesis: "Do 50 level 1-10 Carpenter synths" types
- Gathering: "Gather Iron ores 20 times from La Noscea region" type
- The achievements linked to forbidden materia

Hope that helps,

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Originally Posted by Vanfrano

They received an answer to this subject in the JP forums, if anyone other than Google could translate it correctly ^^

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Regarding the issue of counts being continued or starting from 1.20, only the data listed below that have not been accumulated prior, will start at the time of 1.20.
* The data will be collected at the start of 1.20 and not after the unlocking of achievement categories.

1) Number of synthesis attempts
2) Number of gathering attempts
3) Number of successful Forbidden Melding attempts
4) Armor set collections-related achievements - Such achievements will be completed by equipping the entire set before talking to the NPC. So even if you have collected the set before, but no longer possess it, you will be unable to complete the objectives.

Apart from these, all other category data will be continued from the data prior to 1.20.

My comments:
Regarding synthesis, gathering and melding...Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Thought I'd translate what has been said on french forums for people having questions.

Youmukon confirmed that achievements will be retroactive.

Example: if an achievement requires you to have completed 3 quests, then a message will appear directly on your screen confirming that you gained the achievement.

The exception are achievement linked to gear sets. You will have to wear the gbear set and go talk to a NPC. If you had the gear in the past, but don't have it anymore, it won't work.

There are also 3 type of achievements that won't be automatically unlocked:
- Synthesis: "Do 50 level 1-10 Carpenter synths" types
- Gathering: "Gather Iron ores 20 times from La Noscea region" type
- The achievements linked to forbidden materia

Hope that helps,

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That it did! Chinook (and belatedly) tymora to the rescue.

So kill count = get.
but no count for syn and gathering.

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Originally Posted by Alise

So kill count = get.
but no count for syn and gathering.

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Yea, looks it. Probably because they never cared to keep track of synthesis and gathering data. On our Character History page on the Lodestone, there was never a 100 synthesis milestone.

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≪Achievement Lists≫
At first, only the names of achievement categories will be visible. Each category must be unlocked by speaking to the corresponding NPC, after which you will be able to view the details of individual achievements under that category.

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Whats the point of this? Just seems like a unnecessary step. Go around talk to a bunch of NPCs to unlock categories in the achievement UI. This shouldn't even be needed.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Whats the point of this? Just seems like a unnecessary step. Go around talk to a bunch of NPCs to unlock categories in the achievement UI. This shouldn't even be needed.

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It's likely to do with item rewards being offered, players will full inventory would log in only to lose their items, this allows people to clear space prior to and receive the drop. At least this logic seems to be the most likely, I could be wrong.

Edit: Before the comments fly about easier methods, you have to remember the devs are working with ridiculous spaghetti code than none of us have any clue about, so this is probably the easiest & least time consuming option for them.

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ridiculous spaghetti code

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This itself is a wishful assumption on the player base part.
Bad code design is more likely the culprit here rather than actual bad code.

-> Yoshi-P mentioned he had to re-design the server/client for 2.0.

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Originally Posted by tymora

This itself is a wishful assumption on the player base part.
Bad code design is more likely the culprit here rather than actual bad code.

-> Yoshi-P mentioned he had to re-design the server/client for 2.0.

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That is what I was implying, not bad code as in there's a bad integer stuck in there somewhere, but in the sense of it was poorly designed and strung together.

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Originally Posted by tymora

This itself is a wishful assumption on the player base part.
Bad code design is more likely the culprit here rather than actual bad code.

-> Yoshi-P mentioned he had to re-design the server/client for 2.0.

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The point is though that it's so bad in a number of ways that it was easier/better for them to just make a new server system and graphics engine from the ground up.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

The point is though that it's so bad in a number of ways that it was easier/better for them to just make a new server system and graphics engine from the ground up.

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Which really, answers half of the forum threads saying "gimme this nao or face mah wrath!!!!11!!"

It's simply time-consuming to weed through the mess, and I think it's safe to assume it's a mess based on the actions & steps they are taking for the game.

is there an achievement for being the fluffiest? B3

Hey gang,

Got some information regarding achievements to share with you all:

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Will I log in after 1.20 and achievements will pop up instantly (earn level 50, defeat 100 enemies, complete this quest storyline, etc.)?

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By talking to the achievement NPC to first unlock the categories, achievements that have already been completed will become listed as completed.

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Where do I get the achievement rewards from? Do I talk to NPC or does it appear in their inventory when conditions are met?

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Rewards for special achievements that have rewards will be obtained by talking to the achievement NPC.

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How do you see another player's achievement-earned title?

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Achievement-related titles will be displayed in the widget that appears when checking another player in-game.

Please note that the following types of achievements will not be instantly unlocked upon speaking to the NPC because these stats will be reset and begin counting from patch 1.20 onwards:

• Achievements related to the number of synths
• Achievements related to the number of gathers
• Achievements related to the number of additional materia melded
• Also achievements that involve collecting items such as:
  Obtain Templar’s Chain Coif, Templar’s Haubergeon, Templar’s Sollerets and Templar’s Tassets will only be completed by speaking to the NPC while all of the items are equipped. Therefore, even if all of the items were obtained in the past, the achievement will not be completed unless the player still has the items in 1.20.