Umbrites are terrible.

You don't get it? Haha. Okay. I'll explain again. Some people didn't like the way this step was designed.

Once again I did every other relic step since 2.0 without complaint. I simply found this step the longest and most boring compared to all the others. The other steps had more productive (solo) options, or they were shorter(aka less grindy).

Also before a drama queen jumps in and calls me,"lazy and wanting everything in one day", do yourself a favour and look at my gear.

I don't think I'm lazy, or anyone is, for not liking the way a relic step was designed. Haha.

Personally, I would have liked it if it was more like the 210 step. Of course not everyone's going to agree.

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Originally Posted by Elim

Some people didn't like the way this step was designed.

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There hasn't been a step yet that some people don't like how it was designed, so that's not sayin' much.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

...wait til we're three patches into SB and do it then if you're not interested in doing any meanigful content with it?

I'm not saying you should "enjoy" the grind in any way - but if you dont enjoy the playing this game like the devs intend it to (because yes, you are supposed to do content to get the rewards, go figure) then dont?
This step doesnt has to be nerfed to meet the requirements of someone who doesnt want to play the game.
You're making this step so narrow for yourself btw - I actually thin its good that the relic requires you to do actual content as DoW/DoM - because thats what you're getting the weapon for (or what it is intended for). Its not for your miner, its for your healer, tank or dps and should be earned as one of those classes.
(I'm already looking forward to your complains about the light step now...)

I promise you: It will get a whole lot easier with SB, so if you're only in for the quest, why dont you wait for that?
(To put that in perspective: I'm doing a ARR-relic atm and I'm at the anima-book step. Those books were at 1.500 poetics, now I'm paying 100)

As Faliandra pointed out correctly: Those weapons are a grind and not locked behind difficult encounters so everyone can eventually get them - to make sure that even the most casual player can get their hands on one of the best weapons in the game. And yet you come here and complain that it isnt casual enough because it requires you do to a dungeon a second time? Sorry, I really have no sympathy for you.
Wait for SB and for the relic to get nerfed even more - you can even quit the game until then if you dont like playing it in the first place...

(PvP queue times, specially in The Feast - matches are lasting 8 minutes max, rewarding you with 20 lore - are far from 30 minutes nowadays btw)

Maybe my problem with your complains is that I really do enjoy playing the game... still not super excited about a grind, but hearing thwi kind of whining ("wääähääää, I have to do something that I dont wanna do!!") from someone who doesnt need the weapon really makes me itchy - you CHOOSE to do this content...

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To be completely honest, your post sounds whinier than any of mine have been. I'm not even the slightest bit upset over the existence of the step. It's just "Oh, well this isn't very fun. I'll tell Square and hopefully they'll make it more fun in the future." For something as innocuous as that, I get the pleasure of listening to you denigrate me for having the audacity to not like something in this game. If someone is being unreasonable here, it isn't me.

I beat a personal record today. I completed the umbrite stage of my 3rd anima in 3 days. 0 to 240 in 3 days.

http://img.pandawhale.com/70976-chri...a-gif-il7e.gif

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Originally Posted by Elim

Some people didn't like the way this step was designed.
Once again I did every other relic step since 2.0 without complaint. I simply found this step the longest and most boring compared to all the others. The other steps had more productive (solo) options, or they were shorter(aka less grindy).

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Well, you cant please everyone, I guess...
Right now my character is standing in central shroud, waiting for a FATE for my current anima-book - the main reason I'm replying right now is that I'm bored with standing around for 20-60 minutes, waiting for FATEs to spawn. I can understand why people dont like the grindy nature of the umbrite-step - I can however not understand why people who dont even enjoy playing the game pick up such a quest.
I guess everyone of us has a relic-step they hate, and thats okay. I for instance cant stand FATEs, so Atma was the worst for me - and I refuse to do the HW-FATEs (which, ofc means that I'll get my ARR-scholar-relic to avoid doing them for my HW-relic...)

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

There hasn't been a step yet that some people don't like how it was designed, so that's not sayin' much.

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Not sure what the point of this post is.

Are you saying it's pointless to complain because not everyone agrees?

I wouldnt say its pointless because the devs listen to some feedback.:)

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To be completely honest, your post sounds whinier than any of mine have been. I'm not even the slightest bit upset over the existence of the step. It's just "Oh, well this isn't very fun. I'll tell Square and hopefully they'll make it more fun in the future." For something as innocuous as that, I get the pleasure of listening to you denigrate me for having the audacity to not like something in this game. If someone is being unreasonable here, it isn't me.

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Maybe the difference between us is that I dont believe that the devs intended this step by itself to be fun - I cant imagine them being so desillusional that they're putting this in thinking "Oh yeah, people will totally enjoy running ARF over and over and over again!" This isnt something that you're doing in one afternoon and its not supposed to be - its something that you do over time, while normally playing the game and sooner or later it will just happen. I'm actually a bit happy about this step, because as soon as it was done for my first relic I sat there, asking myself "...okay and what am I supposed to do with all those lore now?" - umbrites are a good way to spend them (even for a mastercrafter, because I couldnt possibly sell enough endgame-stuff to spend all my lore)
They need us to keep playing and give us somethign to work towards - I'm really sorry but your playstyle of "Doing every dungeon and quest once" isnt good enough for them because that cant possibly last you long enough to keep playing - and it obviously didnt, since you said yourself you just came back to the game after a long break. And you were confronted with excatly the thing that was supposed to keep you from taking that long break. Maybe your approach to this quest needs more adjustment than the quest itself - not saying its a good step or that its perfect or anything, but for a lot of people its just something that happens while they're playing the game in the first place - by running dungeons, PvP, ex-primals, raids... That is whats supposed to be fun, not the grind as grind itself. If you cant enjoy that, thats fair ofc, and I do understand just wanting to see the quest (...not that I would consider it to be a very good one - even a drunken Geralt gets old at somepoint...) but if you dont need the weapon, why torture yourself by doing this quest NOW and not half a year later?

What a lot of people have been trying to tell you is that this step is a lot "easier" when you just keep playing the game an actually do content - because thats the general idea behind this. THAT is why we're getting tomes-steps in the first place, because it allows us to just do the content we want to do, as any class we want to do it on (compared to several ARR-steps that forced you into a specific class).
This step isnt supposed to be a quest that you focus on like you seem to do, its something that you work on while you're playing the game anyways. If you dont like doing that, there isnt much SE can do for you either - except ofc, nerfing this relic into the ground, pretty sure that will happen with SB, so why not wait til then?

I'm pretty much done i240 anima #4. I didn't grind any dungeons or do anything I didn't want to. I completed about 2.5 of them before the recent adjustment.

It isn't hard or terrible or whatevs.

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Maybe the difference between us is that I dont believe that the devs intended this step by itself to be fun - I cant imagine them being so desillusional that they're putting this in thinking "Oh yeah, people will totally enjoy running ARF over and over and

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Intent doesn't matter. This is a business-consumer relationship and the point of feedback is to inform the business of how they might increase the value of their service or product to you, so as to more reliably retain your business or gain additional business from you. The business takes the feedback and then does whatever they want with it, even if it's nothing at all, while the consumer continues to evaluate the value of their purchase at every transaction. If one or both of you eventually feel like what you're getting out of the transaction isn't worth what you're putting into it, you just walk away. No hard feelings. It's just business.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Well, I said instances in the OP, meaning dungeons, trials, and raids, which I would include PotD in. I just didn't bother to put it quite that way in my second post. Essentially, I don't really care for dungeons

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I think your misunderstanding something,

First: Doing runs as lvl 60 max has some bonus, when you do certain beastman quest, XP is converted to about 15 tomes of lore instead of getting XP. Hint are you maxed out in rep with them with all beast man?

Second : PoD is more for Max Level for Max tomes on later floors IF you have a good team floors 100-200 give nice sets and mostly are speed runs.

Third and MOST important: Relics are designed to be a grind for those who don't want to do constant savage, EX, Diadem now, and or one to create a weapon more flexible to their needs. Going from 300 tomes to 150 isn't a bad nerf. IF anything it's too much a of a nerf in my opinion.

The key word here is patience and accepting the fact that the way you approach the farming of tomes will burn you out. If I play 4-6 hours a day on my day off, with a solid group I can get close to 2k+ tomes. (closer to 3k ) Farm gear to trade for seals which I use for Crafting materials from airships to start my next one. Personally I don't like to depend on an FC, hence I started my own, one man FC, and just recently opened my doors to people to help them. Once I show them my routine they go off on their own and sometimes ask me to help them as a tank just because they know how I do runs. If you solo you are at the mercy of others for help no matter how you do it. IF you have some connections on and off it helps. 4/5 relics were done before Nerf so trust me THERE is a huge difference in time spent. On a key note. IF you don't like repeat dungeons/raids a relic may not be for you. Not to discourage you, but if you just want the achievement,glamor, story line waiting for further nerfs would be your best bet. Longer wait for them, if any. OR just do current Shire wep as an alternative and set relics as a " As I get tomes " project. That's what I'm doing for jobs all relics and will probably not even use. I do relics just for the achievements and story line really. I feel you, however unlike you I may have more patience. I still play FFXI and believe you. You have no idea what a GRIND really is unless you do Relic, Myth, Empy, and ultimate on FFXI.

As a business model, SE has a solid plan. ( I mayor in business/software engineering ) It's an option, they try to please and players still complain. Overall they are very fair and if anything making it easier. So the demand is there and if anything they are holding pretty strong because they take all perspectives into consideration. Do you have any idea how hard it is to program at times ? Trust me depending on the group, testing, debugging, I would rather spend it my time and money on new content then go back and nerf what is already working the way it should. Should they nerf it more and just sell umbrite at the mog station? If so they should make a relic weapon with less power to show difference between hard work and cash shops.

I think the point is more that people would have appreciated more ways to obtain the items than we currently have. Lore is a fine method, but it would have been nice to include maybe Centurio Seals like with the Alexandrite step in 2.xx. Just some alternative methods is the request of the post I think.

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Originally Posted by Elim

Not sure what the point of this post is.

Are you saying it's pointless to complain because not everyone agrees?

I wouldnt say its pointless because the devs listen to some feedback.:)

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What I'm saying is that it is rather pointless because we get threads just like this about every step of the relics complaining that they don't like what they have to do to get the step done. Disagreeing on something doesn't really matter because some people like the steps and some people don't, but these threads will always pop up anyhoo.

What I'm saying is that letting everyone know you don't appreciate the relic step is pointless at this point, because SE has more than enough feedback over the course of 2 expansions of steps. What comes next is not what you feel, but what they implement in the future. Hopefully it's good :D

Edit: Oh and I'm not saying you can't complain, I'm saying it might just fall on deaf ears at this point.

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What I'm saying is that it is rather pointless because we get threads just like this about every step of the relics complaining that they don't like what they have to do to get the step done.

What I'm saying is that letting everyone know you don't appreciate the relic step is pointless at this point, because SE has more than enough feedback

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Again I disagree. In my experience, the more feedback on the same subject the better chance that the devs will respond in some way. Responding could mean that there will never be a step exactly the same, or it could be that they tell us we "need to calm down". Either way, not pointless in my book.

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Again I disagree. In my experience, the more feedback on the same subject the better chance that the devs will respond in some way. Responding could mean that there will never be a step exactly the same, or it could be that they tell us we "need to calm down". Either way, not pointless in my book.

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That attitude is how we get flooded with Healer DPS threads in General Discussion ;_;

We should pick and choose our battles, and compile our efforts into established threads instead of breaking apart our points into litter on the forums. Yes more feedback is good, but not when you have to sift for it.

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Intent doesn't matter. This is a business-consumer relationship and the point of feedback is to inform the business of how they might increase the value of their service or product to you, so as to more reliably retain your business or gain additional business from you. The business takes the feedback and then does whatever they want with it, even if it's nothing at all, while the consumer continues to evaluate the value of their purchase at every transaction. If one or both of you eventually feel like what you're getting out of the transaction isn't worth what you're putting into it, you just walk away. No hard feelings. It's just business.

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And if you bug in to request changes that other active players do not agree with, you gotta deal with it.
They're not dependant on your single sub but you sound so entitled like things need to be changed up just so they can keep YOUR sub.

To favour your suggestion and keep your sub, it may mean having to give up on other subs because they do not agree with you.

I also dont really value your opinion here highly because from what you've been saying here, it really seems that you do not enjoy the typical MMORPG playstyle.
Youre more than likely to take another big break at one point and hence, arent as valuable of a customer as some other people who enjoy the game and stay subbed.

I do not appreciate suggestions of a person who is essentially trying to turn a typical MMORPG into something it's not.
Dont enjoy it? Dont play it. But here you are, opening this thread because you feel your opinion is important enough to be voiced.
Well, then you will sadly have to deal with people like me disagreeing with you. Because I also feel that I should let the devs know that I disagree with you. It's just business.

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That attitude is how we get flooded with Healer DPS threads in General Discussion ;_;

We should pick and choose our battles, and compile our efforts into established threads instead of breaking apart our points into litter on the forums. Yes more feedback is good, but not when you have to sift for it.

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I don't think that's going to happen. Not everyone is going to agree on what battles are worth fighting. I don't see an issue with the way we provide feedback, not that I wouldn't like doing it in other ways.

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I don't think that's going to happen. Not everyone is going to agree on what battles are worth fighting. I don't see an issue with the way we provide feedback, not that I wouldn't like doing it in other ways.

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You don't see anything wrong with intentional spamming on a gaming forum in the most populated area of General Discussion to get what you want at the expense of others viewing?

Okay. I guess that's that then. lol.

And the point isn't to have echo chamber threads btw, it's to have a condensed and compiled area for discussion in the form of a thread.

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And if you bug in to request changes that other active players do not agree with, you gotta deal with it.
They're not dependant on your single sub but you sound so entitled like things need to be changed up just so they can keep YOUR sub.

To favour your suggestion and keep your sub, it may mean having to give up on other subs because they do not agree with you.

I also dont really value your opinion here highly because from what you've been saying here, it really seems that you do not enjoy the typical MMORPG playstyle.
Youre more than likely to take another big break at one point and hence, arent as valuable of a customer as some other people who enjoy the game and stay subbed.

I do not appreciate suggestions of a person who is essentially trying to turn a typical MMORPG into something it's not.
Dont enjoy it? Dont play it. But here you are, opening this thread because you feel your opinion is important enough to be voiced.
Well, then you will sadly have to deal with people like me disagreeing with you. Because I also feel that I should let the devs know that I disagree with you. It's just business.

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There's nothing entitled about it. You're reading into it what you want to see because you've been treating this like a personal attack on you since the start. Having said that, it's obvious from every post you've made in this thread that you can't handle this topic in a mature or constructive fashion, so I will not be wasting further time responding to you. If you care to change that, I will reconsider that decision. Have a nice day.

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Intent doesn't matter. This is a business-consumer relationship and the point of feedback is to inform the business of how they might increase the value of their service or product to you, so as to more reliably retain your business or gain additional business from you. The business takes the feedback and then does whatever they want with it, even if it's nothing at all, while the consumer continues to evaluate the value of their purchase at every transaction. If one or both of you eventually feel like what you're getting out of the transaction isn't worth what you're putting into it, you just walk away. No hard feelings. It's just business.

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Ofc intent matters, specially when it comes to this sort of content. You can voice your opinion on how you dont want to play certain, central aspects of the game all you want and ofc you have the right to do so, but the reason that you came back here after a long break just shows the devs that they need to put content into the game that gives people a reason to stick around. The relic grind is part of that content that is supposed to take long. You're ofc free to not like it and you're ofc free to tell that to the devs, but I'm pretty sure that opinion wont matter to them because its part of their "buisness"-plan for the game to have this grind, so complaining about it will do nothing. You're most likely just making yourself unhappy.

Different parts of this game appeal to different people, not everyone will like every content - and thats okay. The way you're describing your playstyle suggests that the relic-quest isnt content thats supposed to appeal to you - and thats okay. The devs cant possibly make every content appeal to everyone and there are obviously enough people saying "I get enough lore by just playing the game" to introduce a step that requires large amount of lores. Saying that step sucks, because you simply dont want to content doesnt seem like a very solid complain to me.

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to get what you want at the expense of others viewing?

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I think this sort of drama addon to a post is more detrimental to a conversation/subject than multiple threads.

I'm not bothered by the way we give feedback, but I understand some people are. If most people started to give feedback in another way, I'd follow.

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I think your misunderstanding something,

First: Doing runs as lvl 60 max has some bonus, when you do certain beastman quest, XP is converted to about 15 tomes of lore instead of getting XP. Hint are you maxed out in rep with them with all beast man?

Second : PoD is more for Max Level for Max tomes on later floors IF you have a good team floors 100-200 give nice sets and mostly are speed runs.

Third and MOST important: Relics are designed to be a grind for those who don't want to do constant savage, EX, Diadem now, and or one to create a weapon more flexible to their needs. Going from 300 tomes to 150 isn't a bad nerf. IF anything it's too much a of a nerf in my opinion.

The key word here is patience and accepting the fact that the way you approach the farming of tomes will burn you out. If I play 4-6 hours a day on my day off, with a solid group I can get close to 2k+ tomes. (closer to 3k ) Farm gear to trade for seals which I use for Crafting materials from airships to start my next one. Personally I don't like to depend on an FC, hence I started my own, one man FC, and just recently opened my doors to people to help them. Once I show them my routine they go off on their own and sometimes ask me to help them as a tank just because they know how I do runs. If you solo you are at the mercy of others for help no matter how you do it. IF you have some connections on and off it helps. 4/5 relics were done before Nerf so trust me THERE is a huge difference in time spent. On a key note. IF you don't like repeat dungeons/raids a relic may not be for you. Not to discourage you, but if you just want the achievement,glamor, story line waiting for further nerfs would be your best bet. Longer wait for them, if any. OR just do current Shire wep as an alternative and set relics as a " As I get tomes " project. That's what I'm doing for jobs all relics and will probably not even use. I do relics just for the achievements and story line really. I feel you, however unlike you I may have more patience. I still play FFXI and believe you. You have no idea what a GRIND really is unless you do Relic, Myth, Empy, and ultimate on FFXI.

As a business model, SE has a solid plan. ( I mayor in business/software engineering ) It's an option, they try to please and players still complain. Overall they are very fair and if anything making it easier. So the demand is there and if anything they are holding pretty strong because they take all perspectives into consideration. Do you have any idea how hard it is to program at times ? Trust me depending on the group, testing, debugging, I would rather spend it my time and money on new content then go back and nerf what is already working the way it should. Should they nerf it more and just sell umbrite at the mog station? If so they should make a relic weapon with less power to show difference between hard work and cash shops.

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Like I said, I've been trying to round up some people to do 101+ for PotD. I don't really want to pug random people just because of the way fixed parties work. I'm not maxed out in beast tribe reps, though I've been working on it. I was rank 4 with the Vanu Vanu when I stopped playing last time and the other two weren't available. Ixal and moogle quests were siphoning off my daily allowances though for quite a while, but now that I've got all of my DoH to 60, I just do Vanu Vanu, Vath, and Sylph (the only ARR tribe I have to rank 3) each day. I'm going to do kobold quests with my last three allowances any day I don't rank up.

I actually played basically solo for a long time and in some respects I still do. Being in a small fc with actual people is kind of a nice change. Whereas before it was just myself and a few friends from WoW, all of whom eventually quit, though one of them recently returned. They tend to focus a bit more on raiding though, so while we do things together, a lot of their in-game time is spent in savage.

Once I get past the umbrite step though, I think it will all be downhill from there. Clusters don't look that bad and once I finish that I can actually use the weapon, rather than just leaving it in my bags, which will be nice. I'm closing in on the finish line for the umbrite step anyway, so switching up to another weapon wouldn't make a lot of sense for me. I think I've spent 62/80 umbrites, though unfortunately I've only gotten one +2 bonus thus far, so it looks like I'll need all 80. Once I've finished Sindri Lux, I'll reevaluate whether I want to finish my PLD's weapon as well, though if it has good progress into the umbrite step, it's virtually guaranteed.

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I think this sort of drama addon to a post is more detrimental to a conversation/subject than multiple threads.

I'm not bothered by the way we give feedback, but I understand some people are. If most people started to give feedback in another way, I'd follow.

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Just remember that at the end of the day the forums are for discussion, not flooding. It's up to you how you want to feel about that, especially when others valid complaints and ideas sink to the bottom so that we can have another of the exact. Same. Post.

So it is at others expense, you just prefer to see it as your benefit.

Let us imagine the people in here, who are complaining about the already nerfed umbrite step, if they had to do the unnerfed step where you had to get the crafted items + the other stuff.

A relic was always grindy, if you don't like it that way then why the hell did you start at all? There are enough weapons that are more than enough for the casual content.

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Ofc intent matters, specially when it comes to this sort of content. You can voice your opinion on how you dont want to play certain, central aspects of the game all you want and ofc you have the right to do so, but the reason that you came back here after a long break just shows the devs that they need to put content into the game that gives people a reason to stick around. The relic grind is part of that content that is supposed to take long. You're ofc free to not like it and you're ofc free to tell that to the devs, but I'm pretty sure that opinion wont matter to them because its part of their "buisness"-plan for the game to have this grind, so complaining about it will do nothing. You're most likely just making yourself unhappy.

Different parts of this game appeal to different people, not everyone will like every content - and thats okay. The way you're describing your playstyle suggests that the relic-quest isnt content thats supposed to appeal to you - and thats okay. The devs cant possibly make every content appeal to everyone and there are obviously enough people saying "I get enough lore by just playing the game" to introduce a step that requires large amount of lores. Saying that step sucks, because you simply dont want to content doesnt seem like a very solid complain to me.

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You're still making this about time, which suggests you're paying little, if any, attention to what I say. I've rather explicitly said it's not about time or effort or even accessibility. It's just about wanting a variety of options on how to pursue it. There's no greater purpose to how the umbrite step works from a story perspective. Rowena just conveniently has it. It wouldn't hurt anything to add in alternate paths to acquire the umbrites or a similar future item and step, much the way crystal sands come from a dozen different sources, which is awesome.

As for remedial lessons in the considerations of game developers, I played WoW for about a decade in addition to other MMOs and I was much more serious about the game, including keeping myself up to date on basically every scrap of information released by Blizzard. As they rather frequently talk about the game and development goals from the perspective of the developers, I am about as well versed as a player who doesn't design games can be in the considerations the developers have when making the product in order to make sure it suits their needs. I am very well aware of the purpose of things like gating and content pacing and the sorts of things they do to retain subs. Their considerations are just not relevant to how I value the product and thus are only very slightly related to the feedback I give.

I'm not expecting to like everything in the game, nor am I particularly bothered by it. I am simply telling them how to make the game more appealing to me if they're interested in doing so. That seems like it should be about as unoffensive and unobjectionable as possible.

If anyone wants my tips on how i achieved 240 in 3 days.

• Blew all my leve allowances on the Needs More Fervor leve quest and got quite lucky with the blue chests, that equated to a massive amount of amber encased vilekin.
• Blue scrips from crafting, custom deliveries and squadron missions and gathering in the Hinterlands.
• Moonstones from traded in dungeon gear.
• Mist and Ink from poetics.
• Elemental materia from new diadem.
• Had a lot of Miachi coins and allagan catalysts saved up from raid runs.

And just lore from ARF and Gubal Hard

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You're still making this about time, which suggests you're paying little, if any, attention to what I say. I've rather explicitly said it's not about time or effort or even accessibility. It's just about wanting a variety of options on how to pursue it. There's no greater purpose to how the umbrite step works from a story perspective. Rowena just conveniently has it. It wouldn't hurt anything to add in alternate paths to acquire the umbrites or a similar future item and step, much the way crystal sands come from a dozen different sources, which is awesome.

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And you're constantly missing that the umbrite are purchased with lore, that are coming from a variety of sources, not only one dungeon - people have pointed out the great variety of sources for umbrite/lore for you.
And maybe I didnt made that clear earlier but what I like about those various sources is that they all require you to actually play a DoW/DoM and learn how to. There are way to many players out there, getting their relic weapons but without a clue how to properly use them. Yes, something like Titan HM would be prefered here, but that would make all those casuals just cry even more.
For your story-argument... once in a while its "gameplay over story" - even if you dont like the gameplay. Besides you have the story there: Only Rowena is selling those umbrites and you need to feed them to your weapon. You'll even get a cutscene half through.

Please note that I'm not saying that you personally might need that practice, but a lot of people seem to do. So having a step in the relic quest that not only ensures that people stay subbed but also that they're actually playing their class seems to be a decent solution for me.

So all this is about a lack of diversity? Umbrites are about collecting Lore, which a great deal drops, getting you into those to you know, actually play the game. Sand is the other side of the SAME quest, which has a huge number of ways to get it. There is diversity in that quest, a great deal of it. Just because Umbrite is pure lore bound, doesn't take that fact away. There is the diversity in getting sand, and a diversity in getting lore. If you don't like doing dungeons etc. more than once, why exactly do you want/need the relic so much to complain about the 'lack' of diversity?

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Just remember that at the end of the day the forums are for discussion, not flooding. It's up to you how you want to feel about that, especially when others valid complaints and ideas sink to the bottom so that we can have another of the exact. Same. Post.

So it is at others expense, you just prefer to see it as your benefit.

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If it was at the expense of the majority, if most people were bothered by it, you'd think we'd of changed the way we give feedback by now. I think you might be in the sensitive minority(nothings wrong with being sensitive<3). Could be wrong though!

We are getting off topic though. Starting a thread about how we give feedback might be interesting!

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If it was at the expense of the majority, if most people were bothered by it, you'd think we'd of changed the way we give feedback by now. I think you might be in the sensitive minority(nothings wrong with being sensitive<3). Could be wrong though!

We are getting off topic though. Starting a thread about how we give feedback might be interesting!

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Because public forums are known for sweeping, inclusive and overnight changes for the better.

Please, Sweetie <3

It's because people tend to have your point of view. The "I'll do it when other people start doing it." Nothing will ever happen that way, even if it would be for the better.

You do you, Boo.

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Once I get past the umbrite step though, I think it will all be downhill from there. Clusters don't look that bad and once I finish that I can actually use the weapon, rather than just leaving it in my bags, which will be nice. I'm closing in on the finish line for the umbrite step anyway, so switching up to another weapon wouldn't make a lot of sense for me. I think I've spent 62/80 umbrites, though unfortunately I've only gotten one +2 bonus thus far, so it looks like I'll need all 80. Once I've finished Sindri Lux, I'll reevaluate whether I want to finish my PLD's weapon as well, though if it has good progress into the umbrite step, it's virtually guaranteed.

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Actually the umbrite piece is the easy one. compared to rune grind. , Spoiler alert Next phase after clusters you will be grinding, Rune light and if your not doing savage constantly , get ready for a real patience tester. Also IF your doing another relic save your umbrites and sand to around 70. You will get more bonus if you trade them all at once after the first 40 umbrites. 60-70 usually what you need. I've yet to go over 70.

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Actually the umbrite piece is the easy one. compared to rune grind. , Spoiler alert Next phase after clusters you will be grinding, Rune light and if your not doing savage constantly , get ready for a real patience tester. Also IF your doing another relic save your umbrites and sand to around 70. You will get more bonus if you trade them all at once after the first 40 umbrites. 60-70 usually what you need. I've yet to go over 70.

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Yeah, I guess I'm not entirely sure how that step works other than go places, kill stuff and eventually it's done. I know there are like shifting bonuses and stuff like the original light form (or at least I'm pretty sure there are, but since people call them both light farms idk), but I don't even know if aside from that the amount you get is fixed per content or random. I think people said A1S is the common farm for it though and that's so obsolete I might just do that, provided pugging it is reasonably painless. I guess when I said I had no intention of doing savage earlier, I meant no intention of doing it while current. With only a 190 required, I imagine it's not too bad. Sophia ex wasn't even bad and that was much more recent.

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Because public forums are known for sweeping, inclusive and overnight changes for the better.

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Hmmm I agree that it wouldn't happen overnight, but I do think it would of changed over time if it was a big deal for most people.

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Hmmm I agree that it wouldn't happen overnight, but I do think it would of changed over time if it was a big deal for most people.

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Remember that all it takes is 1 person to start a new thread for thousands to see. "Most people" is irrelevant.

If you are a crafter the crystal sands are very easy to come by. You can grind blue scrips and sell a few of what you make to retain no loss. The umbrites were annoying to me as well. This step is the reason I will not be doing 2 or more just like the books step on the 2.0 relics are the reason I did not do a second one.

They need to look at these 2 relics and find out what worked and what didn't unless they are putting in 1 ridiculously long step for each x.0 relic weapon to keep them very rare. If that's the case then I hate them for it.