PAGE: 018
HEADING: Creation
SUBHEADING: n/a
The fourth paragraph beings with the word It repeated twice.
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PAGE: 018
HEADING: Creation
SUBHEADING: n/a
The fourth paragraph beings with the word It repeated twice.
PAGE: ??? (still have no book)
Heading: Voidsent
Subheading: Dahaka
There's a reasonI colored the subheading. and that reason is there is an extra A there that isn't in the respective Mob's Nameplates in both Mhach and the Palace of the Dead, for reference the latter is called the Nightmare Dahak and the Mhach one is the Summoned Dahak.
Also the entire entry on that Mob has the name with that extra letter.
I apologize if this has been brought up before
Finally got my lore book! Time for the RPC's loremonger to jump in. I've seen a few things that conflict with the game's given lore and I was hoping for further clarification!
PAGE: 275
HEADING: Beastkin or Seedkin?
SECTION: Beastiary - Beastkin - Goobbue
Goobbues are listed in the lore book under the Beastkin class, but previous in game lore defines them as seedkin?
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Originally Posted by Goobbue Sproutling
PAGE: 12-13
HEADING: The Near East - Ilsabard or Thavnair?
SECTION: Geography
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Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg12
This seems to conflict with in game lore that uses Thavnair and the Near East as inseparable terms that are nearly completely interchangeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg13
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Originally Posted by F'lhaminn
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Originally Posted by Thavnairian Silk
To list a few of about 30 or so other correlations. Additionally, as yet in game, we've never once seen any part of Ilsabard referred to as anything but "the northern great continent"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yumah Molkot
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Originally Posted by Lodestone
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Originally Posted by Nananoby
My assumption is that the region known as the Near East must include all of these islands and small landmasses in the Bounty / Jade Sea as well as the southern tip of Ilsabard, but the revelation seemed to come out of left field is all?
PAGE: 13
HEADING: Meracydian Trade
SECTION: Geography
I'm in love with the new Meracydian revelations, but this segment seems to conflict somewhat with many sources from 1.0 and ARR implying that there exists varied trade between Meracydia and Limsa Lominsa especially, but also the other southern Eorzean city-states?Quote:
Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg13
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Originally Posted by Right as Rubber
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Originally Posted by Undercutting the Competition
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Originally Posted by Carvallain
With additional references to importing Meracydian samite from Elfleda near the Sanctum to Mistbeard's infamous heist of a ten-ponz Meracydian diamond from the Sultan's vaults. While we could chalk all this up to some of those "very rare" instances mentioned in the lore book, the bit about Meracydian chess seems to suggest a much more personal exchanging of ideas between the two continents. There's even the Kple Kple, which was made from the mask of Meracydian tribesmen as a gift to a Gridanian conjurer. If there's any light you can shed on this perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahlduwil
PAGE: 95
HEADING: Limsa Lominsa's Founding a Retcon?
SECTION: History
I had actually hoped to bring this question up at Fanfest, but when I got my hands on the lore book and saw this key difference in stories, it raised more questions.
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Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg13
To start, even these two passages on Limsa's founding in the lore book conflict somewhat, but comparing them to the original story has me very confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg95
Obviously, taking into account that NPCs are wholly unreliable narrators and legends being even less reliable sources of historical fact - this story closely resembles the first passage from Pg13, but nothing like the one from Pg95. Obviously this "southern kingdom" isn't half a lifetime away, but the southern continent of Meracydia is implied to take quite some time by boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frithuric
This information, as well as the many citations of trade between Meracydia and Limsa Lominsa I mentioned in my previous post, guided a theory that Limsa Lominsans might have originated from Meracydia and then been conquered by the Sea Wolf armadas of the north - giving rise to the ARR text citing Sea Wolves as the founders of the city-state after enduring horrifying raids along Eorzea's coastlines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mahi-Mahi
This has sparked several questions: If the Galadion and Limsa Lominsa are of Sea Wolf origin, why then are three out of the four named crew members Elezen? Why does the Galadion not have a Sea Wolf name? And where did the name Limsa Lominsa come from? It just strikes me as extremely odd that a city supposedly founded by Sea Wolves has almost nothing named in the Sea Wolf tongue or at least named after the Galadion's admiral, Elilwaen, the as yet only known Roegadyn aboard the ship. But they named several important things in Limsa after the Elezen crew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merewina
But I guess the most important question, is this a retcon?
PAGE: 29
HEADING: Miqo'te Migration and Origin
SECTION: The Fifth Umbral Era
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Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg29
For starters as far as I've read so far, this passage is the only place in the book or game where "Eternal Frost" is used in place of what's seen in game and other passages as "Endless Frost."
More to the main concern with the passage is that this seems to conflict with previous hints and text that suggest Miqo'te originated from Meracydia to the south, not Ilsabard? Including a passage DAT-mined from the game (not by me) that, if the original poster is to be believed, was intended for loading screen help/lore text?
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Originally Posted by DAT File Text
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Originally Posted by Sesame Seeds
According to the passage, Miqo'te fled to Ilsabard/Near East to escape persecution under the Allagan Empire, but during this time period, shouldn't they have been fleeing south to Meracydia - the only continent free of Allagan rule?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloe
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Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg25
Is this another retcon? Or did the Miqo'te originate on Meracydia prior to the Allagan Empire but were later forced northwards, only to return south to Eorzea thousands of years after the calamity?
This might be explained by the existence of sub-classes. Beastkin-sub-Seedkin; a beast covered in symbiotic plants.
Some of the other bestiary oddities I cannot explain, though.
Ayyy, this one was on my to-do list. Good summary of the evidence; not many people remember Frithuric. Like you, I assumed that Meracydia vs. Sea Wolf would be a good assumption for the fall of the Southern Kingdom. This would explain the not-Sea Wolf helmsmen, for starters. And it would still leave them plenty of time to become a dominant force in the area later, when racial tensions hit their peak and Limsa grew from fishing village towards pirate capital. However, Frithy's tale seems to be contradicted by everything from Lominsan history to Sea Wolf history at large, so it's not looking well for him.
Assume that the Sea Wolves whose failed uprising against a tyrant in the Northern Empty (aka Northern Wastes) 700 years ago did found Limsa Lominsa. It's not so weird that they would have Elezen helmsman; Sharlayan would be close by (a bastion of knowledge and home to some demographic of Elezen). Even if they weren't from Sharlayan proper, there would be precedent for Elezen to be there and be considered good helmsmen.
They sailed for a year and had many troubles before landing on Vylbrand, so it's not hard to assume that this is when the raiding and pillaging took place and the failed raid that led to them being rounded happened towards the tail end of it.
I've tried my hand at meshing the two stories together, but it's messy. For starters, one might imagine that even a fraction of a Sea Wolf armada from a capital in the Northern Empty could be comparable to the naval might of a southern city - from their perspective it would be an armada as terrifying as their own (eventually giving rise to tall tales of four thousand vs. four thousand ships in the battle to end all battles). But how he would mistake the outcome of the battle...
The name of the city sounds Lalafellin, does it not?... I wonder.
I think you're right in that it's probably both far-southern Ilsabard (which we rarely hear about considering Garlemald is in the north) and the islands nearby, similar to how Eorzea is Aldenard and its surrounding islands.
Hot topic atm. Curious to see where it goes.
PAGE: 050 / 129
HEADING: A Chronology of the Sixth Astral Era / Ul'dah
SUBHEADING: A New Dynasty
These two pages disagree on whether Baldric Throne or Baldurf Thorne imprisoned Sasagan III.
They've finally opened preorders for the luckless sods like me who had to go on the waiting list. Will those of us getting our books in December get a chance to join in the debugging fun, or have there already been revisions made for the second printing?
PAGE: 088
HEADING: The Roegadyn
SUBHEADING: History
A simple spelling mistake, in this section it says "differnt", but what is probably meant is "different".
NOTE: This is from the EU version of the Encyclopaedia Eorzea.
Hi everyone,
I was just wondering if the second printing of the lore book will include corrections to the errors brought up here or if it will still be the same as the first printing.
I'm assuming it will probably still include the errors but just hoping Ferne or another rep can confirm this.
I'll be purchasing it either way, just curious if I should be wary of the errors or not when I'm reading through my copy.
Thanks :)
PAGE: 110
HEADING: Upper La Noscea
SECTION: Bronze Lake, The Wanderer's Palace
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Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg110
PAGE: 292
HEADING: ASHKIN
SUBHEADING: Slime
The word humours is used twice, but is once spelled humors.
PAGE: 299
HEADING: VOIDSENT
SUBHEADING: Cerberus
"Manmade fetters wrapped about the hound have scholars believing that it was summoned by the Mhach to serve in its assault on Amdapor"
However, Cerberus was introduced in the Crystal Towers series of Alliance Raids, which was Allagan themed, and the Voidsent in question were implied to be the ones Allag were dealing with. Plus the fetters are Allagan in design.
Errata? Or out of all the Voidsent we met that dealt with Allag, Cerberus wasn't sent back till the Sixth Umbral Era?
I'm glad someone else brought that up; I don't think I was ever going to decide whether or not to. There are lots of ways it could be "legitimately" wrong. The "scholars" could be wrong. Or the Cloud of Darkness could have more recently set it up to guard that door. There are a few options to distance it from Allag and connect it to something else, but the designs on the fetters are so obviously of the same make that we see on Scylla and Xande and all them that it's just ... awkward, right?
PAGE: 289
HEADING: FORGEKIN
SUBHEADING: Gobmachine G-VI
"The gobmachines forward cannons are highly adaptable..."
No apostrophe.
PAGE: 290
HEADING: FORGEKIN
SUBHEADING: Refurbisher
The Warrior of Light is assumed male, which isn't true for roughly half of the population.
Not really an error, but it seems like something that's avoided usually, so. /shrug
PAGE: 16 and 18
HEADING: The Twelve and Creation
SUBHEADING: Menphina the Lover and Creation
Page 16: "Menphina is the...divine lover of Oschon"
Page 18, 5th paragraph in the creation myth: "Those winds did bring love into the heart of Llymlaen, yet though She longed to be with Oschon...
One of these things is not like the other. Do we have a love triangle in the Eorzean pantheon? Is Oschon the god of wanderers cause he can't commit? Who will ultimately claim the heart of the ruler of mountains?
Sorry all I could think about was cheap soap opera plotlines of two girls over one guy LOL. Errata though, it was stated prior to the creation myth Menphina was Oschon's lover, but Lewphon says the definitive tale says otherwise. Now I'm not about to call the creator of the Astrologian class a liar but...someone's wrong lol.
Tune in next time to "And I thought that god loved me!"
This isn't actually an error. Oschon and Llymlaen had a "thing" and by thing I mean Oschon seemed to like Llymlaen a little too much, but Llymlaen rejected one of his creepier advances, which led him to later take Menphina as His divine Lover. So not errata, just obscure lore.
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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes
Barring the possibility that I'm just missing an obvious bridge here ... (2 a.m. plus Greek-inspired god-math? Big possibility.) ... can it not be both? The creation story seems to omit the connection between Menphina and Oschon ("divine lovers"), so is it not odd that it would say that Llymlaen was over the moon (pun intended) for him when all we know is that he spied on her naked and got a knife thrown at him?
Even if it's not an error, it's weird for nothing to close that gap, no? To be more specific, the creation story says that his winds brought love into her heart, but they never had children because they were rarely together. And the dagger-throw is where he refocused his interests on Menphina. So, if his very existence won her over, how do we get from there to him feeling "curious" enough to peep on her, and her being "furious" enough at him to throw a knife?
Page: 177
Heading: Portrait of a People
Section: The Garlean Empire
I believe informed should be influenced. I could be mistaken, but every time I read it the wording doesn't make sense and I've never seen an example like this used in any of my other readings.Quote:
"The imbalance of power has greatly informed the territorial feauds of Ilsabard."
No, this is an accurate use of the word. It's rare, but it's not incorrect. See this definition from dictionary.com:
"Inform: to give evident substance, character, or distinction to; pervade or permeate with manifest effect:
A love of nature informed his writing."
PAGE: 179
HEADING: The Empire
SECTION: Social Hierarchy
For Citizen - Lower Citizens, the "Bas" title is listed, however, lore from Gubal lists the title for citizenry as "Ban."
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Originally Posted by On Garlean Hierarchy Vol. 2
PAGE: 193
HEADING: Una Tayuun
SECTION: Scions of the Seventh Dawn
I think this one might have shown up earlier in the thread, but to be sure...
Circle of Knowing should be Path of the Twelve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg193
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PAGE: 208
HEADING: Ardashir Balyk
SECTION: Faces From Journeys Past
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Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg208
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Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg208
To be fair, yeah, this is the first time we've seen any mention of Llymlaen reciprocating any feelings towards Oschon. But it is strange, now that I've gone back and read the creation myth again that they make no mention of Menphina winding up with Oschon. I still don't see it necessarily as an error or a name swap, but it is definitely an odd thing to leave out.
I wonder though...
...was Llymlaen following Oschon around? Did she long to be with him so much that she tried to follow him on his journeys? Maybe Oschon's disregard for the life Llymlaen birthed into the world was what eventually drove her to reject Oschon's transient visits to the seaside. Though if I had a knife handy, I'd probably toss it at a peeping Oschon too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moraby Flounder
Pages: 154 - 155
Section: All the Heavensward Biographies
Every member of the Heavensward has the nobiliary particle "de" in their names, even the low-born ones like Paulecrain and Charibert.
PAGE: 289
HEADING: FORGEKIN
SUBHEADING: Panzer Doll
This is the JP name of the enemy, but in the English book it might be better to use the forgekin's English name—Hummelfaust.Quote:
...such as what has been seen with the recent appearance of “Neo Faust” but mere moons after a party of adventurers reported striking down an older, less sophisticated Faust model.
(Also, moons between Faust and Hummelfaust? Man, we're really eating up that year bubble! /s)
PAGE: 012, 177
HEADING: Dalmasca, Othard or Ilsabard?
SECTION: Geography-Othard, Garlean History-Unifying the North
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Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg177
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Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg12
Two of these three quotes makes it sound like Dalmasca is in Othard, one makes it sound like its in the center of Ilsabard. Unless Dalmasca is situated on the mountainous landbridge that connects Ilsabard and Othard, similar to Ala Mhigo? Do you have to go southeast to Dalmasca to circle back into southern Ilsabard? I'm very confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorecast #7
I discussed this a bit back in the Revelations thread, but it should be noted that there's a fourth Dalmasca reference, in the 6th Astral Era timeline, that all but explicitly places it in Ilsabard's mountain range like the section on Garlemald; in addition, Koji only explicitly says Rabanastre is in Othard, saying nothing specific about Dalmasca.
My thoughts: While it would be a reasonable assumption that the Encyclopedia's section on Othard and the Koji quote are placing Dalmasca in Othard when taking each quote in isolation, when taken with the context provided by the other two, I think it's likely that Dalmasca is nestled in the mountains that divide Ilsabard. The Koji and Othard quotes probably conflate Dalmasca with Rabanastre because of reference source material and with Doma beause of the necessity for airships to reach them, rather than as geographic neighbors.
Uhh, this isn't so much a bug as it is a mild complaint but;
The text for the origin myths of the beastmen primals (pages 246-263) is small and heavily stylized. This combination can make it hard to read correctly as some of the letters become difficult to distinguish from the other; it would be nice if the text for the Origin myth sections could be slightly enlarged in future printings.
PAGE: 285
HEADING: SCALEKIN
SUBHEADING: Tyrannosaur
Its.Quote:
Known by many as “king of the carnivores,” the tyrannosaur is feared by man and beast alike, its violent nature and insatiable appetite making it one of the deadliest predators in the realm. It’s tiny, almost comical arms are all but ignored by the tyrannosaur while hunting, opting instead to employ the sheer speed granted by its muscular rear legs, and the rows of knifelike teeth that line its massive maw to subdue and slaughter its prey.
Also, I've gone back and forth on reporting this a few times, so let's just call this a "might-be". There might be a lot of missing commas in these mob blurbs. I run into a lot of double adjectives and interrupters that seem to just run-on straight through.
Mostly I think I need new glasses but I do find the book kind of hard to read. There is a reason that this type of font isn't commonly used, particularly in full paragraph form. It looks cool but it is more difficult to read in low light or for people with vision or reading problems.
PAGE: 51
HEADING: Timeline
SECTION: Autumn War stuff
In the 1468 part, it's called the First Battle of Tinoqla. In 1469, it's the Second Battle of Tinolqa.
How is that out of left field? It seems in line with the in-game references you cited.
Particularly the reference to "the Near Eastern island of Thavnair" clearly indicates that Thavnair is just one portion of the Near East. That phrasing wouldn't make sense if they were somehow one and the same. It's like when someone refers to "the Hawaiian island of Oahu" they're not claiming that Oahu is the entirety of Hawaii, but just that it lies within that state, and is the part of it that's under discussion.
It's true that none of those in-game references addressed the question of what else is in the Near East, but the encyclopedia seems to be simply filling in formerly missing information rather than changing anything.
The other in-game references you cited are simply talking about Thavnair or Radz-at-Han. Would you find it weird if someone got to sample Parisian cooking during a trip to France? Or if someone importing American goods into Europe purchased them from a New York based company? Paris isn't a synonym for France, nor is New York a synonym for America, but they're prominent places within their respective countries. The encyclopedia points out that the civilization of Radz-at-Han is very prominent in the region, so it's not surprising that that's where a lot of the trade between the Near East and Eorzea would come from (leading to it being the part we've seen the most references to so far).