What's with people saying Yokai-Watch looks out of place?

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

That has nothing to do with her argument though. She was saying that those are out of place in this game, so childs cartoon weapons are ok as well. They aren't out of place because bringing back enemies is a staple of FF games. The reuse of models has no bearing on this discussion as far as I can see, and is better reserved for its own discussion.

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Marlboro's, Tonberries, Ochu's, etc are all staple enemies and get redesigned in some way for each game's universe, not straight up rehashed like a Compile Heart game.
XIV's cast of enemies having their models ripped straight from other games is a different matter.

Can you imagine how awesome it would be if XIV had its own Allagan stuff from an art designer at Square Enix?
I think you've been misunderstanding me tbh.

I don't necessarily find them out of place...more like...they are ugly as hell.

Meh it is out of place can't really deny that. I have no interest in the minions or mount just the weapons look okish.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Recycling monsters is a staple. Whole hog ripping the models from previous games isn't a staple.

Play any Final Fantasy game and monsters will look similar but rarely will they look the exact same. the FFXI monsters they recycle are clearly using the same skeletons and textures as their FFXI counterparts it's uncanny, the only thing they don't bring over is the mobs skillset they keep the move names sometimes but nerf the effects for the purposes of this game. Bommtoss for example is just a thing that does AOE damage now instead of something to be feared.

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While I don't really care that SE "rips off" monster models of one of their games and put it into another one of their games because they can and that they're still from the same franchise, it just baffles me that they didn't even bother to update the reused FFXI and FFXII PS2 monster models in higher resolution fitting PS3 graphics. It's so lazy but I'm not going to let it bother me much.

Also it doesn't surprise me that monsters in the open world areas are laughably weak now. In 1.0 they were dangerous there at least but now they're just annoying if they detect you. Must be a design choice to be friendly to newcomers to MMOs.

Yes, let's all complain about more content. How dare they add a fun event for us to enjoy!

As for some of the designs being ugly...Yeah, but what can ya do about it? :P Complain on the forums? Well the time and money has already been spent so might as well #dealwithit :D

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Good luck. You'll run out of precious space to block RMTs with.

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at least we're on balmung, and don't get RMT tells \o/

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

Well aren't you an edgy one, you must be really fun at parties.

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gamers only party in-game

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Originally Posted by Worldofwarcraft

Yes, let's all complain about more content. How dare they add a fun event for us to enjoy!

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i'd rather have no event, than shitty event.
fun is subjective. i don't think i seen any fun events, in this game.

What I want to know is how you guys are ever going to cope with the inevitable Kingdom Hearts 3 Crossover event... >.>;

I think the gear looks nice. The only thing that does look a little out of place I think is the mount. Looks sort of like the Eorzean equivelant of riding around in a Cozy Coupe lol. Not that that's a bad thing, I'll probably still use it.

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Originally Posted by Worldofwarcraft

Yes, let's all complain about more content. How dare they add a fun event for us to enjoy!

As for some of the designs being ugly...Yeah, but what can ya do about it? :P Complain on the forums? Well the time and money has already been spent so might as well #dealwithit :D

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Since you haven't figured it out. You voice your opinion so that they don't repeat the mistakes again. Who honestly thinks anyone was complaining to stop the event...

I think the issue a lot of people have isn't the lore behind however they are going to do the cross over, but the fact that the literal appearance of the weapons looks out of place. I feel like they just pop out too much. They look super fake in the style of FF14.

http://i.imgur.com/03GntnY.jpg

It looks like its a kids toy they picked up from the store lol

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

No? I don't remember too many Final Fantasy games that rip nearly everything from the previous game though.
Final Fantasy VI's entire bestiary was not in Final Fantasy V. Nice cherry picking though.

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I don't think you'll find the entire FFXIV bestiary in FFXIII either. I think you meant the opposite way around ^_~
(Also, I certainly can't find all of XIII's bestiary in XIV.)


As for the topic, I have less issue with models being taken from XIII (or even XI, though I'm fairly sure at least half of those have upgraded graphics), because the models fit in with the aesthetic sense the rest of the world has. The YW weapons... look like the "plastic" toy weapons you get from Gold Saucer, and since I doubt they'll have stats that warrants using them as-is, that's pretty much how I'll see them ^^; The minions... sure. Minions in general in XIV have slightly more cartoonish appearance. But the mount? To me, it looks as out-of-place as a traditionally drawn-and-animated creature would in an otherwise CG-animated movie.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

Can you imagine how awesome it would be if XIV had its own Allagan stuff from an art designer at Square Enix?
I think you've been misunderstanding me tbh.

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Tbh, I think it would be worse, the rehashing from old games and nostalgia is something I love from the FF series. And besides, it's not like all allagan stuff is ripped either. I must be misunderstanding you though, because I don't see for a second how stuff from another FF series translates into justification of this YW bleh.

Can you not see how the ultra cartoony look of them is out of place in a more "realistically" animated world? Even the Kettle Bell Nexus doesn't look goofy like them. And at least they fit in with a running joke about Gerolt.

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Originally Posted by PotatoGirl

I think the issue a lot of people have isn't the lore behind however they are going to do the cross over, but the fact that the literal appearance of the weapons looks out of place. I feel like they just pop out too much. They look super fake in the style of FF14.

http://i.imgur.com/03GntnY.jpg

It looks like its a kids toy they picked up from the store lol

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^This, that spear looks like something you would find in the 3-6 isle at walmart.

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Originally Posted by Aeliott

Fat Chocobo and Snowman heads, rapidly spinning rocket turtles aren't goofy and kiddy and cartoon-like?
And Whisper > Rocketmantoise

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Yes, those are definitely goofy and kiddy. But not cartoon-like. You'd have more of a point if said turtle looked more along these lines:
https://0.s3.envato.com/files/722097...n%20Turtle.jpg

It's not the nonsensicality of the item in itself I'm talking about (and I'm fairly sure it's the same for most of those arguing against the "cartoony" style of them), it's the graphic style.

The Adamantoise mount, while silly (outrageously so now that it can "fly"), doesn't look jarringly dissimilar from its surrounding graphics.
The YW mount does. At least in my eyes. Compare it to a Revenant, or Bogy or any kind of "ghost" enemy. They're a lot more detailed. They don't look like they're made of plastic. ^^;

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Tbh, I think it would be worse, the rehashing from old games and nostalgia is something I love from the FF series. .

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Original ideas is worse than rehashing? Alright. Again, don't really remember older FF games rehashing sprites or 3D models as much as XIV does.
I think II and IV on PSP shared the same ogre sprite? and V and VI had the same Gaelkitty.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Can you not see how the ultra cartoony look of them is out of place in a more "realistically" animated world?

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Harmless throwaway event for a great game in a mediocre one that wont impact the game's lore or world in the slightest because it's just cosmetics. Don't have to like it but it's not going to change Eorzea forever.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

Original ideas is worse than rehashing? Alright.
And no, the old games don't rehash sprites or recycle 3D models as much as FFXIV does.

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Interesting twist of what I said, I'll give you credit there.

At what point did I say all rehashing is better than all original ideas?(please point that part out) Bringing elements from past FF into new ones is simply a nice nostalgia, and something that has happened in all FF, at this point, an FF without it would be out of place.

Also, please point out where I said commented on the quantity of rehashing between different Final Fantasy releases. That "And no..." comment, while snarky and condescending, doesn't really have a place, since I made no reference that qualified it, good one though. (I can do snark too! yay!)

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

Harmless throwaway event for a great game in a mediocre one that wont impact the game's lore or world in the slightest because it's just cosmetics. Don't have to like it but it's not going to change Eorzea forever.

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Shit fit? where is a shit fit? How does that even apply to the quote?

But a little light has been shed on the aggressive defense you have to the discussion. You view YW as a great game, and FFXIV as a mediocre one. Pieces have fallen into place.

Also, anything in the game effects the world in the slightest. Otherwise you wouldn't be defending it so vehemently.

tbh, it's just a discussion, not a shit fit, I'm sorry if you see it as some anger fueled rage battle, "Rabble! Rabble! Rabble!" and some such. It's just people expressing their opinions on something they enjoy. But do you really view the game as "mediocre" and if so, why are you so impassioned about it?
You are even the one who started this thread, or did you intend for it to be just a thread of people in agreement getting together and bashing those they don't agree with the topic on?

And people said my idea for a hoodie and a t shirt ruined immersion.
thats karma for you.

But i gotta say i am a fan of the bow.

All the weapons except for the DRK sword look ridiculous, like big simplistic plastic toys. If they had made more of an effort to incorporate them better into the FFXIV style it probably would've gone over better.

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Originally Posted by nexas506

And people said my idea for a hoodie and a t shirt ruined immersion.
thats karma for you.

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The Yokai stuff is ok because it's a collaboration. An in-game hoodie? eh, not so much unless it's heavily modified (Eorzea seems pretty bare of knit cloth apart from yarny stuff) and then people would just complain about not being able to visor it over their head.

Personally I think the axe looks pretty cool. The Amano-style stuff sticks out more of a sore thumb than most of these Yokai weapons.

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Originally Posted by Gaddes

All the weapons except for the DRK sword look ridiculous, like big simplistic plastic toys. If they had made more of an effort to incorporate them better into the FFXIV style it probably would've gone over better.

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Considering that these can be "joke" weapons, now people got what they asked for!

I'm not crazy about the Yokai-Watch stuff either, but there are several things I am keeping in mind when looking at this whole issue.

First and foremost, is it a big hit with the JP playerbase? If it is, then mission accomplished. Obviously the event collaboration is aimed to that demographic because the series is a much bigger deal in Japan than anywhere else. If they're eating up the product placement in XIV, "aww cute!" then I'm under the impression that regardless of how some western players feel about it, it was worth it. And apparently if Yoshi-P is a fan of the franchise and he has the chance to stick bits of it into his game, by gum, he will.

Secondly, this:

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Considering that these can be "joke" weapons, now people got what they asked for!

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My thoughts exactly, people made a thread asking for "joke" weapons a bit ago. Well here they are. No, it's not a mop lance, or your paper fan sword, but they're just as out-of-place as anything mentioned in that thread. Big ol' (mostly gaudy) toy weapons like mentioned previously in this thread.

For me personally, I think the weapons are a mixed bag and everyone's taste/interest in them is going to differ. Majority of those weapons are meant to be cute (and I think they are), and you know some people don't want cute on their weapons, so don't use them. I find the DRK sword charming in it's own way without having to be cute. However, I am extremely disappointed in both the AST and SMN weapons- because they are neither cute nor "cool" to look at. AST's is extremely (in my opinion) un-inspired compared to mostly every weapon they have once you move past the 30-50 weapons, and SMN has that god-awful brown poodle thing with the drunk-looking cartoony bespectacled man's face on it (while the book itself looking pretty plain with some metal accents).

The worst part for me is, as some already said, the mount. Oh, I'm beyond caring about what looks silly flying around thanks to the Adamantoise, but I'm still disappointed in SE for releasing a Macy's Parade float. For everyone who's ever mocked people on these forums for wanting personal wings for a "mount," you better watch out at the rate we're going.

well, i likem

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For the 5 people who have actually played a FF that isn't XIV

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That would not be me, so... sorry, but I thought it all looked out of place.

Not everyone who plays FFXIV and likes the overall style of the game and graphics has a background that includes other FF titles. Based on what's in the game now, all of that looked out of place.

Different strokes for different folks. /shrug It's obviously going to be added to the game anyway, so what's the point of going on about it either way?

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Originally Posted by Cidel

The worst part for me is, as some already said, the mount. Oh, I'm beyond caring about what looks silly flying around thanks to the Adamantoise, but I'm still disappointed in SE for releasing a Macy's Parade float. For everyone who's ever mocked people on these forums for wanting personal wings for a "mount," you better watch out at the rate we're going.

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Well tank mounts are going to be able to fly someday. While they probably won't look ridiculous (I'm still not a fan of the turtle flying), it's still silly to imagine a lion and bear being able to fly. Unsure about the panther thing.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

it's still silly to imagine a lion and bear being able to fly. Unsure about the panther thing.

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Hopefully they'll do it the right way and give the three tank mounts a jetpack. Everything is better with jetpacks, even jetpacks.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Well tank mounts are going to be able to fly someday. While they probably won't look ridiculous (I'm still not a fan of the turtle flying), it's still silly to imagine a lion and bear being able to fly. Unsure about the panther thing.

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If they made them grow wings, it would be cool, and could explain why they are taking so long. But thats not likely, will probably look lame. Another cool idea would be if they could jump really high or far, but that would just get frustrating trying to get around places like the Sea of Clouds eventually, if you were in a rush. It would be fun other wise though.

http://kotaku.com/please-stop-doing-...pgs-1774092675

Sums it up really...

I really don't know why there is even an argument about this. This event will be for a month or less and will disappear forever. The items will be worn for a couple of months and will be forgotten. The mount will be awesome for a week or two before people go back to their own mounts that they feel epic on. Look at the Lightning event. How many people even use that stuff anymore?

My only issue with the complaints is them feeling oddly out of place considering all that's happened. We can have tanks running around in their underwear and a chef's hat tanking a giant robot boss and the variety of other ridiculous looking glamours that we have present already. The ship on the whole immersion thing has long since set sail. I'm all for thematic consistency (i.e. making sure all the gear looks like it fits in to the universe in some way) but again, that and the immersion argument don't really hold weight in lieu of the whole tanks in their underwear thing.

For the record I'd be all in for ditching a good portion of the glamour items, but again, it's way too late to do anything about it at this point.

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Originally Posted by Reaperking386

I really don't know why there is even an argument about this. This event will be for a month or less and will disappear forever. The items will be worn for a couple of months and will be forgotten. The mount will be awesome for a week or two before people go back to their own mounts that they feel epic on. Look at the Lightning event. How many people even use that stuff anymore?

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You sunk your whole argument with the last sentence.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

You sunk your whole argument with the last sentence.

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My argument is still valid. At least in my observation no one wears that stuff and if they do it is only bits and pieces of the armor to enhance another Glamour set. The weapons are also rare to see. It is because glamour is pumped out so much that the current or previous glamour becomes obsolete that not many care for it anymore.

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Originally Posted by Reaperking386

My argument is still valid. At least in my observation no one wears that stuff and if they do it is only bits and pieces of the armor to enhance another Glamour set. The weapons are also rare to see. It is because glamour is pumped out so much that the current or previous glamour becomes obsolete that not many care for it anymore.

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Maybe you just aren't looking, the chests and hair are everywhere, and I see the weapons on a regular basis. Very regular. I don't know what wearing bits and pieces over the full set have to do with it. They are so poplular and clamored for that you almost didn't see a day without a new thread requesting another lightning event, and they eventually put it in the cash shop.

Also, lightning stuff isn't cartoony and actually fits the aesthetic of the game.

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Originally Posted by Reaperking386

My argument is still valid. At least in my observation no one wears that stuff and if they do it is only bits and pieces of the armor to enhance another Glamour set. The weapons are also rare to see. It is because glamour is pumped out so much that the current or previous glamour becomes obsolete that not many care for it anymore.

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Just because you dont see it, doesnt mean others dont. Yokai watch stuff does not fit the aesthetic design of XIV. and that right there breaks the immersive feeling of the world.
It's like being the one guy at a sports game standing in the wrong section wearing the other teams colors. It sticks out like a sore thumb!

I would have been fine with having fates for Yokai watch that would eventually end, but the items will be around forever now. And when the nostalgia wears off and most people stop using them it will stick out even more when that one person is running around on a Yokai mount or with a minion....

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Maybe you just aren't looking, the chests and hair are everywhere, and I see the weapons on a regular basis. Very regular. I don't know what wearing bits and pieces over the full set have to do with it. They are so poplular and clamored for that you almost didn't see a day without a new thread requesting another lightning event, and they eventually put it in the cash shop.

Also, lightning stuff isn't cartoony and actually fits the aesthetic of the game.

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The reason why it was popular was because players could not get it anymore. If there is something you cannot get that others players have you want it more. E.G. 7-11 event.

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Just because you dont see it, doesnt mean others dont. Yokai watch stuff does not fit the aesthetic design of XIV. and that right there breaks the immersive feeling of the world.
It's like being the one guy at a sports game standing in the wrong section wearing the other teams colors. It sticks out like a sore thumb!

I would have been fine with having fates for Yokai watch that would eventually end, but the items will be around forever now. And when the nostalgia wears off and most people stop using them it will stick out even more when that one person is running around on a Yokai mount or with a minion....

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You have a point at one thing. Unless I can verify it statistically I can't really support my claim. As far as immersion goes.... The items are purely opinionated on immersive or not. I like many other's believe they fit in the game well and you as well as other supporter's believe they are not, but regardless on opinion, it is happening. there is no argument to stop it or slow it down all you can do is live with it or don't. This is not to be insulting I am conceding on the previous argument. I am just pointing out that no matter how many arguments the opposing opinion may win or have that the items are coming out. I will personally enjoy them.

Don't worry eventually this will be a reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHNdcjglhsc

In my opinion, this is the absolute worst collab event they could've done. It's just sad that such a fun game like FFXIV has to carry the burden of having Pokemon 2.0 hamfisted into it. One of the most mediocre series in existence...

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Originally Posted by Reaperking386

The reason why it was popular was because players could not get it anymore. If there is something you cannot get that others players have you want it more. E.G. 7-11 event.



You have a point at one thing. Unless I can verify it statistically I can't really support my claim. As far as immersion goes.... The items are purely opinionated on immersive or not. I like many other's believe they fit in the game well and you as well as other supporter's believe they are not, but regardless on opinion, it is happening. there is no argument to stop it or slow it down all you can do is live with it or don't. This is not to be insulting I am conceding on the previous argument. I am just pointing out that no matter how many arguments the opposing opinion may win or have that the items are coming out. I will personally enjoy them.

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Others have explained how they don't fit, (eg. Cartoony, plasticy, goofy, texture, not same franchise even, etc.) could you tell me in what way they actually fit in the game? I have seen a lot of supporting reasons as to why they don't fit, but none as to how they do fit. (aside from "because I like them",unless of course I missed that)

Also: Everyone is aware the event is happening and on time, the reason for voicing opinion on it has been stated multiple times, and is fairly obvious.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

Just because you dont see it, doesnt mean others dont. Yokai watch stuff does not fit the aesthetic design of XIV. and that right there breaks the immersive feeling of the world.
It's like being the one guy at a sports game standing in the wrong section wearing the other teams colors. It sticks out like a sore thumb!

I would have been fine with having fates for Yokai watch that would eventually end, but the items will be around forever now. And when the nostalgia wears off and most people stop using them it will stick out even more when that one person is running around on a Yokai mount or with a minion....

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3682583

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Others have explained how they don't fit, (eg. Cartoony, plasticy, goofy, texture, not same franchise even, etc.) could you tell me in what way they actually fit in the game? I have seen a lot of supporting reasons as to why they don't fit, but none as to how they do fit. (aside from "because I like them",unless of course I missed that)

Also: Everyone is aware the event is happening and on time, the reason for voicing opinion on it has been stated multiple times, and is fairly obvious.

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I already did 5 pages ago.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3682583

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Originally Posted by Causality

I already did 5 pages ago.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3682583

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Maybe I am wrong, but it seems to me that your reasoning is explaining why there would be a toy/something silly in the game whereas what was being asked is "how does the art style fit?"

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Originally Posted by Causality

I already did 5 pages ago.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3682583

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Originally Posted by Aramina

Maybe I am wrong, but it seems to me that your reasoning is explaining why there would be a toy/something silly in the game whereas what was being asked is "how does the art style fit?"

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Yes, it seemed like just a bunch of loose headcanon to support it, rather than anything real, and then saying if you tell yourself it fits, it fits. Then the presentation of Mog weapons as a reason for anything to be in the game, which disregards that mogs have been part of final fantasy forever, and that the mog weapons textures actually match the rest of the game, instead of looking like toys-r-us opened up its Eorzea branch. (Not a fan of the mog weapons myself, aside from when a retainer brings back a whisker to sell.)

He then goes on to say scantly clad warriors are immersion breaking, I grew up in the age of the Conan and Red Sonja movies, so thats pretty much standard fare for me. Besides, the argument that people can create somewhat goofy costumes if they try doesn't answer the question either.