Wait so all you care about is crafters buying the finished product and not the mats!? ;) it shouldn't matter who buys the finished product at all. Lmao Hell people on my friend list that don't craft buy the mats and have me craft them cause it's cheaper for them. Should they keep walking too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
I buy mats all the time so crafters and gatherer get money from me all the time. If all you care about is the money being made off the finished product and not the mats then I'm lost at why you think omni crafters don't contribute the economy. The people that really don't contribute to the economy are the DOW/DOM only people they don't really do not thing for they economy but they want to stop omni crafters? For a good economy you need as many people contributing as possible. At the moment it's the omnicrafters are villains with evil mustache while the lazy or lack of effort crafters have their pitchforks out on said omnicrafters' lawn demanding the same benefits but less work. All while the gatherers quietly making a killing in favors and base mats with DoW/W on the sidelines laughing waiting for the new welfare gear to come out.
So Specialist Recipees are in the game.
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11-08-2015, 12:33 AMRanzan
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11-08-2015, 12:42 AMNalienYou mean the ones farming stacks of Dhalmel skins and selling them to me on the Market Board? The ones buying the gear from me off the Market Board? Pretty sure they're contributing... More so with the upcoming materia changes and increased in crafted gear strength...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranzan
Omnicrafters effectively reduce the demand for finished goods... They can produce all the goods themselves. They can produce them for their friends to boot. Now, there is nothing wrong with helping your friends of course, I'd certainly encourage it (it's a MMO, after all), but that is what Specialist recipes should address. Having a single person as your go-to guy, for all your crafting needs, takes a lot of demand for items away from the economy. Even if (when) SE makes the finished goods worthwhile, demand for them is still going to be hindered if anyone with an omnicrafter account/friend can effectively get anything and everything made for them...
Honestly, who are the people really hard done by with this change? Who are the ones who benefit? People keep saying that the pro-Specialists are greedy and just want less competition so they can amp up prices, but that is a double edged sword. If I ramp up the prices of Weaver goods, because I have less competition with Specialist recipes, then someone who has Armorer as a Specialist does the exact same thing. It is essentially a zero sum game, I might make more selling new fancy robes, but I'm going to be spending more to get new fancy armor. In fact, I'm actually going to be spending to get that fancy armor, because I certainly wont currently buy armor from someone when I can make it for considerably less. Other crafters are actually going to have a purpose now, as will my Gil, because buying materials was not me spending Gil, it was making a profit... Now I might actually have to work on affording something, rather than just constantly accumulating Gil... -
11-08-2015, 01:02 AMRanzanThat's the thing they only really put stuff in the economy. They supply I can't argue that but they rarely have a need to buy anything for the simple fact welfare armor is in the game at max level. Plus the other thing with mats are the retainers. I bet Gil that's where a lot if mats on the MB come from cause who doesn't send them to get mats that sell? (funny thing my retainer is out getting me dhalmel skins while typing this lol).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
The one stop shop person will still exist even with these recipes (alts). Now even lower pool of people will be on the AH. So no this will not get more people to craft. It's just going to be a couple of people in each market dominating them cause of less competition due to recipe lock outs. -
11-08-2015, 01:16 AMNalienWell that's just the thing, SE seems to be moving away from the welfare armor thing, at least somewhat... Stronger crafted gear in 3.2 was a big cause for excitement among my circles, as was materia on tomestone/raid gear, since that effectively gives materia a stable market (and thus the gear people spiritbond to obtain it), rather than giving it a stupid gimmick like the Sphere Scroll...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranzan
I think the point is, far less people are going to bother with alts... Not everyone in Final Fantasy XI had alts, personally I just had Woodworking (and was working on Alchemist before I quit, because that new gear looked awesome (hoping it finds its way here the same way Ares did) and simply never going to appear on the AH... 110 was probably why I quit, actually... That was horrendous...) and I knew nobody with an alt for every craft... Similar thing will happen here, some people will have alts, which they've probably already got set up from Desynthesis, but they're in the minority. Omnicrafters themselves are already in the minority I think, I shouldn't really be able to sell crafting gear so easily if they're not...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranzan
The issue with less crafters, I think, is separate issue, though it certainly doesn't help Specialist recipes, I guess. The main issue there is how SE set up crafting to require all of them leveled, they claimed Specialists would fix that, but it wasn't the case sadly... If Specialists actually did mean you could just level Weaver, without needing all the other cross-class skills, then I think we'd see a lot more crafters. There are plenty of people out there with a few crafts leveled that aren't going to contribute to the market, because they can't in a significant way without leveling everything. If Specialists addressed that issue, I think we'd be golden.
Like I said earlier, I perhaps disagree with how they're doing Specialist recipes, but I agree with the general concept. I think the biggest issue with crafting in this game is that omnicrafting isn't really optional, it's basically required. Specialists were meant to address that and they didn't, I think the optimal solution would be to have Specialists grant a boost to stats, making crafting generally easier, but also making it easier for Specialists to hit new Craft/Control tiers. Then Specialists get a "head start", but omnicrafters can still work towards everything, likely purchasing from Specialists to speed up the process. Specialist skills would still need adjusting, because the existing ones really do not replace cross-class ones, but I think generally that would be a better system for Specialist "recipes". -
11-08-2015, 01:34 AMshanian
every job contributes to the market, in a way or another. IF 3.2 really makes crafter gear better then all crafters will be happy (... well except culinarian... )
Desynth was only bad because they did not balance out what every class could get.
Specializing system is not bad, or may not be bad in theory. will just depend on what they actually lock behind it if its just gear or gear and mats, we cannot really complain or praise it until we actually see how it goes. supply and demand will set the prices.
i'm a omnicrafter, and while its nice to be able to make everything i may need for myself i also know that, if i had not been able to do so, i would have probably spent a lot more money getting stuff out of the MB, wich would have helped others.
Alt's will always exist. specializing will not change it. but getting that alt up and running to have the full acess to everything is a real pain, not that many people will be up for that. -
11-08-2015, 03:03 AMViDare
Can we stop for a moment, people on this thread keep saying that DoW/M arent barred from any content like crafters are because they get the chance to gear up which is false or did people forget min ilvl requirements?
At best you can only Eso up 1 or 2 classes and the new Thordan Extreme and Void Arc are min iLvl 190 supposedly. So that means you can only take 1 or 2 classes into it unless you really spread out your Eso gear. The easiest obtained armor outside of Eso is Alex and full Alex gear + Rav weapon still puts you at 189 with upgraded Law ring so that bars you from taking those jobs into Void Arc or Thordan.
So kinda like how people can't specialize in all crafting classes you can't fully enjoy any DoW/M class without making sacrifices that hurt your other classes. -
11-08-2015, 04:06 AMGysonThat's a very poor comparison. A crafter can not craft higher tier recipes without improving their gear, just as a Dragoon can't do higher tier dungeons without improving theirs. That balance already existed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViDare
If you want a more accurate comparison, we should be saying that *regardless of your level and/or gear's ilevel* you are only allowed to visit dungeon-X with a maximum of three combat classes.
Heck, what if you were only allowed to own a maximum of three job soulstones for combat classes? Which three jobs are you going to pick? This is better for the game, right? Less carbon-copy Dragoons running around out there. Only those players serious about the Dragoon class would pick it as one of their three jobs. Might help to cut down on the number of Dragoon jokes.
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11-08-2015, 04:31 AMcgbspenderWhy not ? It's not like there is is a single in this world mastering them all. Specialization is something else. Your point sounds completely offtopic to me.Quote:
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11-08-2015, 04:57 AMRanzanno that's a good comparison cause both have the same function and both have exclusive skills tied to them. You can have all job stones at once but you can only have 3 specialist stone at one time even thou they have the same fuction. So yea I agree sit it up where you can have only 3 job stones and to switch it cost 480 eso. I bet people wouldn't like that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by cgbspender
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11-08-2015, 05:07 AMGysonNot at all. Whenever I'm convincing friends to try out this game, the concept of being able to do everything on a single character and not waste time building up "alts" is hugely appealing to them, every time, without fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by cgbspender
For players with a strong interest in crafting that concept is no longer true (not unless you're willing to instead "waste time" throwing scrips away on swapping souls back and forth). If the same were true for combat classes as well.. well, I honestly doubt many players would be happy about that.
However, I'm sure if we try hard enough we can come up with a few inane reasons of how it's better for the game. "Why do you need to be a White Mage *and* a Monk, Honinbo? Just rely on friends, or make an alt.. this is an MMO after all.". :rolleyes: -
11-08-2015, 05:30 AMAlahraYou can still do the majority of everything on a single character. A handful of recipes you may not be able to access with ease isn't going to ruin the power and utility of omnicrafting. It'll still be rather advantageous to keep all your crafts mastered. It's likely all this change will do is add a small social aspect to crafting that doesn't currently exist in any strong way, allowing a crafter to distinguish themselves from others in a way that they can't really do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyson
Just wait and see, the sky is almost certainly not falling. If, come 3.2, the new, more powerful combat gear is locked behind specialist recipes, then things will change in more significant ways. But we're not getting any major new recipes this go-round, from the looks of it, only glamour/housing items, which are a rather small fraction of all the available recipes. -
11-08-2015, 05:36 AMZojhaAnd, uhm...silly side question but is the difference in playstyle between a Blacksmith and a Weaver roughly as big as between a Dark Knight and a White Mage?Quote:
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11-08-2015, 05:48 AMitti18
i actually like it , in my opinion specialization is more fun
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11-08-2015, 06:17 AMQuesseThe one thing that really drew me to FFXIV originally was that DoH/L were on par with the DoW/M classes. Finally, I thought, a game where crafting and gathering is given as much attention as battle classes. Well... I've only been disappointed. However it was neat to still be able to gear everything equally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youkulm
So they finally took away the last bit of happiness for crafters. Sure, I was expecting it but it is frustrating to see SE gut one of the great premises of the game. Its almost like it was too much effort to actually balance DoH/L and keep it useful. So they just gave up. -
11-08-2015, 06:55 AMGysonWhy are we suggesting that crafting needed the addition of a "small social aspect" to begin with? If you wanted to add a social aspect into your crafting there was nothing stopping you from reaching out to other crafters and doing it. How is it a good thing when a game forces an unwanted activity onto a player?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alahra
When I want to be social with the community, I turn to raids, dungeons, FATES, hunts, guild chat, this forum, etc. When I want to quietly do my own thing, I turned to crafting because it was the union of two things I enjoy: crafting, and quiet-me-time. So, explain to me again why I should be excited that crafting now also requires a level of social interaction? Because I'm really feeling like I lost an option here if I want to continue crafting anything and everything.
Also, why do we keep pretending like interacting with the community is this wildly desirable activity every MMO player wants? Because I'm really not feeling the love for community interaction whenever I look at a majority of threads on the FFXIV forums. Seems more like people want as little to do with each other as possible, yet people in this thread keep talking about community interaction like we've all taken leave of our senses and it's this appealing selling point.
Finally, that argument of "a handful of recipes", "cosmetic items only", etc holds absolutely zero water unless you happen to be a developer on the FFXIV team with control over long term design plans.
I agree that it is a silly question. When you put it like that, why have multiple crafting classes at all? Why just not have class: "Crafter" and throw all the effort, equipment, and recipes under one roof?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
Meanwhile, your winning suggestion of improving that difference is to create recipes that are only available to specialists? Really? I don't see that improving the difference.
If you really want to get that nuanced, in the end you're just sitting in a chair tapping buttons on an input device regardless of which class you're playing. Congratulations, we've just described nearly every game. Why play more than one of them? Go delete your Steam library. -
11-08-2015, 07:16 AMZojhaTo be honest, as it is that would not really be any loss. Crafting classes do not just have similar, they have largely identical abilities. There's no need to have more than one of a class if they all play the same. Imagine our combat classes were Pugilist, Fistfighter, Knuckleduster, Street Brawler, Hand of Doom, Monk and Martial Arts Fighter. All with the exact same skills, except for a handful of cross-class abilities that are shared among all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyson
Honestly? I wouldn't mind being locked to only three of that for certain encounters.
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11-08-2015, 08:58 AMMutemutt
I like the idea of specialization, honestly. Never been a fan of being able to do everything by yourself.
Isn't that how it is for the battle classes though? I mean, besides being unable to queue for the endgame stuff alone whatsoever, you've got to have 3 or 7 other people to help you finish the encounter because the game doesn't let you fill every roll at the same time when you're actually doing that content. Having all your healers and dps and tank classes leveled and geared has very little effect when you're running a dungeon or even just fighting a single enemy.Quote:
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11-08-2015, 09:20 AMRanzan
But isn't crafting a solo activity? You and you alone is the one crafting said item. You don't need a party to make in ingot. People want to bring in "community" or "social" with an activity that's done solo. I mean come on if somebody put in the time, effort and Gil they should reap the benefits.
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11-08-2015, 09:36 AMMutemuttSolo to an extent, but I think the idea of an economy ends up linking the crafters and gathers of a server. It's not much of a market if it's made up of one person after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranzan
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11-08-2015, 10:06 AMRanzan
It's made up of one person. With these specialist recipes wouldn't that mean even less people on the market? Since it's only one person on said market already.
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11-08-2015, 10:09 AMMutemuttIt means people will have to get the stuff they can't craft themselves from other people, in other words, take part in the market. Generally speaking of course. I'm honestly not sure how you come to the idea that market is made up of one person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranzan
Only a crafter that makes absolutely everything for themselves and gathers absolutely everything for themselves could seperate themselves from the market. Key word being seperate, as any particular person not taking part in the economy wouldn't stop the economy itself. Though, if every crafter was an omnicrafter and decided to seperate, then yeah there would be no market for anyone. -
11-08-2015, 11:48 AMWaeksyn
Well, i already started leveling alts when specialists were announced prior to the release of 3.0. One of them is ready now to max out crafting. The other will follow if the recipes are at all worth worrying about. I expect (hope) the recipes will be nothing more than glamour or other things that don't require HQ results, in which case, i won't bother gearing up the alts beyond normal HQ gear.
The sad part of all of this is that specialist or no specialist, there really is nothing significant for crafters to do aside from advancing their own crafting gear. Seems to me that the focus should be on that problem, not on erecting barriers to content. -
11-08-2015, 03:51 PMGysonOr they'll just turn to a friend and not go anywhere near the market. So how does that help the market?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutemutt
In reality a specialist has less crafters competing against them on the market, which I believe is one of the reasons some are so excited by the idea. It's not encouraging market use, it's eliminating the competition. -
11-08-2015, 04:36 PMLemuriaExcept it doesn't. It has 11 stacks, which only drop during a good/excellent condition material. That means to get the most out of it you need 11 good/excellent conditions before your durability runs out. At higher level crafting, these are less common than people might prefer. Also , unless it is on a stack of 3 (3,6,9), this skill has precisely ZERO effect. Even when it does kick in, it's basically just a 50% boost, which you can get using cross-class skills more easily, and cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuSaarva
That pretty much sums up ALL of the skills currently. They rely too much on luck to be worth using. I'm not going to throw rare ingredients away on pure chance. I'd rather stick to tried and tested methods which I know will work, and give me the best possible chance for a high quality item.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuSaarva
Honestly, these specialist skills are so bad they're indefensible. It's not a 'bandwagon', it's just poor design, plain and simple. -
11-08-2015, 04:37 PMChazNatlo
Not an opinion on whether it is good or not, just what I'll wind up doing, make of it what you will. If there are specialist recipes that produce and require crafting Mats, I'll probably go on the market board and bother friends for the mats ((Assuming I'm not hit with a wave of not caring)). If they are just hats, shoes and dresses, I'll probably wind up making all of what one of the specializations offers, switch, make more, and switch as I go.
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11-08-2015, 10:37 PMAlahraI'm suggesting that it's what the developers seem to want. This is an MMO, and SE has a long history of encouraging social interaction in their MMO design, and they've long been trying to encourage more economic interaction between crafters (witness Terminus Putty or the period of time when BSM only had one 3-star recipe, an ingot), but haven't been able to do so because of the strength of omnicrafting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyson
And while I don't know what they're going to do for long term plans, *neither do you.* However, what information we have right now suggests at least a little bit that the specialist recipes are not going to be major ones. We won't know whether they will be, most likely, until 3.2. As of right now, it looks like we're going to see cosmetic items and the like, so almost nothing is going to change for you.
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11-08-2015, 11:04 PMRyuSaarva
yes it does save turns, if you have satisfaction buff up when you increase progress, you need fewer uses of those skills, you need to be extremely lucky to get get all 11 stacks and you don't need to in order for the skill to be usefull and if you don't like luck based skills I assumme you never use hasty touch either.
To me it seems that you just read some rotation online and never bothered to figure out uses for skills by yourself, just like people who watch video guides and follow them 100% eventhough they are not perfect since they were made as soon as possible to get add money. -
11-09-2015, 12:40 AMRanzanCrafting and gathering is a solo activity. Why do people always ignore that important detail? Just like people ignore that less people can craft these recipes so prices will go up. But people love to say more people will interact with the economy when all they are doing is putting a gate up. Nothing right this instant is stopping people from picking up crafting. This will not get more people to craft. This will in fact make it harder to get certain thing (specialist recipes) done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alahra
Also the main problem is less people are crafting because it's not really needed to function is the main aspects in the game.Plus those Specialists Skills, let's be honest those are horrid by themselves. You STILL need multiple lvl 50 crafts just to have a chance at HQ. They not fixing anything to get more people crafting until crafting will be relevant to the main aspects of this game. The average player is not going to pass up on tomes gears that's free than go by crafted gear that will cost them a small house do to said crafter lack of competition due to specialist recipes. -
11-09-2015, 01:00 AMAyerinn
I still have the specialist quest in my log...purposefully waiting until they fixed specialist. Now that it has a meaning, I recommend anyone like me who didn't bother yet to wait to see the recipes before you choose (also collaborate with friends to get all the bases covered)!
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11-09-2015, 01:18 AMAlahraThe activities themselves are, yes. But the economy is not. Crafting and gathering are still going to be solo activities after Specialist recipes are introduced. Omnicrafters will potentially need to buy more things off the MB than they do now, and that's ultimately the extent of the change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranzan
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11-09-2015, 01:54 AMRanzanThat's the thing. Why target the omnicrafters while the biggest non participants are the DoW/M? Sorry I fail to see how people want to pick at omni crafter not participating in the economy (fat lie) but the battle classes get a pass. They are not buying nothing and being self sufficient with their food and pots. But nobody bats an eye at them. If people really cared about the economy they should have everybody buying from it not what we have now. Crafters buying from crafters and crafter buying from gatherers.Quote:
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11-09-2015, 01:57 AMGysonYou have a serious case of speculation going on there, but for the sake of argument let's all assume it's going to be just "cosmetic items and the like". And? What is the reassuring point you're attempting to make here? Because when it comes to high-end crafting, what really is there that people desire other than "cosmetic items and the like"? When's the last time you caught yourself saying "I really need that end-game crafting item for non-cosmetic and the like purposes?". It doesn't happen very often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alahra
Even if it was only specialist housing furniture - why is it so hard to understand that some of us took crafting and put all that effort into it specifically because we want to make things for ourselves. I want to see my name on whatever the item is, whether it is a piece of armor I'm going to wear, or a minion I'm about to add to my collection, or a chandelier to hang in a house.. whatever the object is, the whole point was to be self sufficient. That is why some of us craft, because we like making our own things.
So, please, stop saying the "sky is not falling" when you have no idea what drives a given player to invest all that time, gil, and energy into leveling up crafting for the past year or more under a concept that is now suddenly adopting a very different philosophy. Such an ignorant comment to make. -
11-09-2015, 01:58 AMAlahraThey're making adjustments to the rest of crafting to encourage more participation from DoW/DoM in the exact same patch (and making crafted gear far more powerful in 3.2). They're addressing both things. But this topic was about the specialist recipes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranzan
Players wanted gear for non-cosmetic purposes all through ARR. It's only been in 3.0, due to problems with material availability and the viability of the available items for use in content, that crafting was relegated to cosmetic stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyson
And I honestly *do* have an idea, because I was a serious crafter throughout ARR. I've backed off of it some in HW because of the problems with recipe usefulness, but intend to focus more on it again in 3.1 after the incoming changes.
My point is only that it's too early to tell how this is going to change things. We're not getting any new combat-oriented recipes in 3.1 (or if we are, they've been very quiet about it), which suggests most, if not all, of the new recipes will be related to glamour and housing, which will include the Specialist recipes. To say that it's a "very different philosophy" is a bit knee-jerk, as there have already been periods during the early stages of new patches when you had to specialize, at least for a little while, on a couple crafts as you worked to acquire new Master books and the like. It's certainly a change to make some items permanently only available to specialists, but it's not a gigantic shift, unless a large majority of recipes suddenly become Specialist only. But we don't know that that's going to be the case yet.
They're well aware that the most dedicated omnicrafters have been hard at work getting i170 sets for all of their DoH classes, and I highly doubt they're going to completely invalidate that effort. -
11-09-2015, 02:16 AMGysonOn the contrary, we've had two years now to see how crafting has gotten along without specialist recipes, and it's been doing just fine. And it could keep going on as it has been for another two years and nobody would bat an eye, much less be arguing about this nonsense on the forums. Whatever *real* issues crafting has, adding specialist recipes into the mix isn't going to fix them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alahra
Reducing the amount of players that can create specific items, lowering potential competition on the market between crafters as a result of that, upsetting players who invested time into crafting for the purpose of being self-sufficient, forcing yet another form of "social interaction" on a community that can barely stand each other on the best of days and through an activity that was originally advertised as a solo affair.. you don't have to be a psychic to anticipate how this plays out. -
11-09-2015, 03:33 AMAlexander_DragonfangM8 U WOT?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyson
Crafting has been doing anything but fine.
Besides any judgement on Specialist needs to wait for what will be exactly behind the Specialist recipees. Till now our only image is a housing item, if Specialist recipees are that, glamour and vanity items, this will be the best thing to happen to crafting since 2.0
Now, if whats behind specialists are the high end gear for either crafters or DoW/DoM... There we will have, not a problem, but a complete change of economical paradigm, which, at this point after seeing crafting and economy going down the drain save a few people per server, i think, any alternative could be better. -
11-09-2015, 03:54 AMGysonYou probably should have bolded the caveat that went with that statement as well. The part where I said "Whatever *real* issues crafting has, adding specialist recipes into the mix isn't going to fix them."Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
Why, because fewer people will be able to craft them, cutting down on the supply available? Because there will be less crafters to compete against when pricing said items on the marketboard? Because the players who made the effort to level all crafts under the promise of being be self-sufficient will now instead be blocked from crafting these items without wasting a serious amount of scrips on soulstone swapping?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
I think we may have different opinions on "the best thing to happen to crafting since 2.0". Perhaps you meant to type "worst". -
11-09-2015, 04:11 AMAlahraIt comes down to a matter of perspective. You are obviously and understandably concerned that specialist recipes will make the effort you've put into omnicrafting less meaningful. Personally, I took a gamble and assumed we'd hit a point where they were pushing Specialization more heavily, so I wanted to be "ready," (so I've only been working on gearing my three specializations) but I can completely understand your concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyson
But I'm also trying to look at the change in a broader perspective--as with any change, the developers are intending for it to have some sort of effect on the game, and I think they're trying to encourage us to work together more. Personally, I think that more economic interaction between crafters will have some positive effects on the economy, so long as the recipes themselves aren't highly desirable things. Combat gear and the like probably shouldn't be given Specialization status, or they'll never really be able to balance the various Specializations in terms of worthwhile recipes. We'll have to wait and see if they plan to do anything of that sort.
Edit to add since I'm at the post cap: I never said that crafters don't collaborate, only that the developers seem to want to encourage *more* of that. It would be so wonderful if you would stop misconstruing people's posts. -
11-09-2015, 04:27 AMGysonI'm really not sure why people keep pushing this idea that crafters aren't purchasing items from other crafters on the marketboard. One only has to look at the sale history (available on any marketboard) of crafting tools, crafting attire, and crafted components to see that crafters are indeed purchasing items made by other crafters. These items are always moving, all the time. Specialist recipe items are just going to be "one more thing" that crafters purchase off the marketboard, out of the plethora of items they're already buying from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alahra
Nor are specialist recipes going to add some never-before-seen collaboration between crafters. The game already has that with FC workshops. It had it before FC workshops. I collaborate with other crafters in my guild every time we're trying to help an undergeared guild member get suited up in the latest and greatest equipment. No specialist recipes were required to make that collaboration happen.
The only impact specialist recipes will have on the market is reducing the amount of crafters a specialist has to compete against when selling their specialist recipe items. So, expect them to be abnormally expensive, as well as in short supply. This is me trying to contain my excitement over that effect on the market economy: :| -
11-09-2015, 05:17 AMGardesEh. They're non-participants because SE made it that way. They made it that way because they think that was the better way to entice the casual playing crowd. The very vocal crowd in these forums probably helped cement that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranzan
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11-09-2015, 05:36 AMFelisThat get fixed with 3.2Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranzan