FFXIV 2nd expansion: Viera-like race still a possibility?

Yoshida was pretty disappointed that people wanted the Viera because of how similar the Miqo'te are to it, so I don't think it would happen. But you never know!

I'd personally like something like the Burmecians/Rat People from Final Fantasy IX.

Im a fan of all beast races ^_^

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Originally Posted by hennalang

Yoshida was pretty disappointed that people wanted the Viera because of how similar the Miqo'te are to it, so I don't think it would happen. But you never know!

I'd personally like something like the Burmecians/Rat People from Final Fantasy IX.

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This! Freya FTW!

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Originally Posted by hennalang

Yoshida was pretty disappointed that people wanted the Viera because of how similar the Miqo'te are to it, so I don't think it would happen. But you never know!

I'd personally like something like the Burmecians/Rat People from Final Fantasy IX.

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I don't get this logic to be honest, if you look at Au Ra, they are basically the same he's complaning about Vieras. The only difference is that they have some weird flakes on their skin, and Vieras have long hands and fingers with weird looking feet.

I really want to play a Viera on this game, and I hope that they don't scrap the idea, maybe a playble Moogle Race?

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Originally Posted by Yoshi Pea

Especially when we did the male designs… they didn't look beastly enough, they were just a little too cute.

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No. Knock it the heck off.
I want to be able to play a cute male character. >:I

I would love Viera, both genders, the concept art is beautiful and I always try when possible to wear my bunny ears and claws of the beast on my fem roe to make her look as close as possible to a Viera (I even have a bunny like nose)

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Add in the fact that our gear is is literally tailored to fit each race properly instead of simply creating a texture and stretching it as required for who is wearing it and the difficulty multiplies.
Could they do it? Absolutely... But it IS time consuming. Especially as the team involved with doing that is also trying to create the race itself.

It\\'s unfortunate the visual quality of our gear is presently limiting our racial options, but its not an impossible thing to overcome.
It\\'s possible that (not even being sarcastic) the PS3s might be limiting their options also. Having to work around such a tiny memory total is bound to cause problems.

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I know for sure PS3 memory is part of the problem (being a PS3 poor man myself), but time and server space are also pretty large hurdles to get past. I really have confidence in the FFXIV team for stuff like this to be introduced one day into the game we just need to support them so they can.

BUNNY GIIIIIIIIIIRLS, BUNNY GIRLS EVERYWHEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Except they didnt make helmets fit the anthro races properly. All they did was stretch the back end to reach the neck (half the time, they didn't even do that, you could often see the rear side of the hoods clipping through the neck entirely). And it looked absolutely awful.
Hood type helmets look absolutely awful on Worgens and Taurens, because their nose/mouth just pokes out of the front of the hood (even when the hood had a face hiding visual effect), this even happens with male Trolls and Pandaren to a lesser extent.
It was easy for WoW to 'adjust'gear for tails. They didn't actually need to do anything. Why? Because WoW leg armor is literally just a skin texture.
The ankle cutoff thing for the bestial races just essentially hid the majority of boots and applied a small colored patch above the ankle. If they even did that sometimes.

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Did you honestly expect extra special work done on hoods? Seriously?


if you have a snout, I expect it to stick out.

And when I mentioned the helmets, I was referring specifically to EQ2. Sarnak have metal and cloth plates that appear on their heads in place of helmets, if you look at the image I linked you'll see what I'm talking about. There was tail armor for Iksar and Sarnak as well, Ratonga and Kerra did not have it.

The boots that "added a patch above the ankle" were mostly boots that had no model, but were just texture instead. With the sheer number of available models, this wasn't an issue. Pandas had holes cut in all theirs for their toes ffs.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Even though I love the Sarnak the armor/weapon/animations for them are horrible.

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The point was that they tailored it specifically for the race.

The boots is the standard way of dealing with beast feet. Could go the Morrowind route where they can't wear shoes at all and no closed helmets.

Course, people would bitch about that, too.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Its the player base being sexist not the Dev team. The player base would be the ones making judgements based on the appearance of that sexual variation of the race not the dev team. .

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Actually, considering the Dev tried incredibly hard to make the girl Au Ra any notion of tough looking (4 incredibly boring faces all high in neoteny, the height being locked so small, et cetera) while giving the dudes a unique look is kinda sexist on their fault. Their reasoning for why the girls are so cutesy is "Well the player base likes cutesy, look at where most of the races are", which would mean your thought process isn't wrong.. But then you've got to take in mind how the male Au Ra look, the logic falls apart. The male Au Ra of course look much more like Elezen (A very unpopular race as well) in body structure, while also still possessing way more scales than the girls, so the design decision to go "Well, we're making the guys look like cool and fierce" was something the Dev team made without thinking "Well most of the playerbase does x, so the new race will look like x".. If the thought process for the girls was applied to the men, we'd get a slightly shorter than M!Miqo'te with hardly any scales on their bodies. That and it's not like they had to make the Xaela (I say this because we already saw our main Raen lady, Yugiri) just as cutesy as the Raen, it makes little sense considering the cultural motif of the Xaela.. Or heck, it still doesn't explain why on earth the girl Au Ra (And arguable the same for Midlander and Miqo'te) have hardly an options whatsoever ( none at all imho) to make their base self look tough, when Roegadyn women can be made into a kinda Pugly sorta cute and Highlander women have a very distinct young looking face.

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Originally Posted by LucentLagombi

The thing about the cat girls being similar is all well and good but it'd be really nice to have a female character that was less teenager and more woman. Mysoginistic notions aside all of the races atm with the exception of highlander and rho (both of which I can't stand sorry) are basically slightly different teenage or younger girls.viera females are traditionally more adult looking.

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Hmm, could you explain what you mean by the whole "misogynistic notions aside"? I mean, even then Viera don't really bring much to the table that a dark skinned Elezen or Roe wearing bunny ears wouldn't already, while still keeping in the whole "super cutesy teenagery look" outside of the eye brows.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

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The issue is a cute beast race doesn't solve the issue, it's not that we need a beast like race, we need a race that's like 95% tough for the men and women, the issue is the Viera don't really solve this (I'm sorry, but anything based on skinny rabbit women who wear battle bikinis aren't what I'd call tough looking in the least) and neither would a cute beast race.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

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I don't think the men Au Ra look Asian at all (Not to mention, grouping a giant content filled with a lot of different ethnicities under one distinct term is a little rude) while the girl's just look.. Young. Like, my younger sister has a face incredibly similar to them and we're white as heck. Let's just be frank here, the girl's look like teenagers and tweens, the guys however don't. The guys look young, sure, but they look like mid 20's young, not mid teen's young.

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Originally Posted by RedAntares

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Eeh, Viera have long hands I'll give you that, but their "weird looking feet" look more like regular feet with long pointy nails (And maybe minus a toe or two?).. The real "Weird looking" part comes from the high heels which makes the feet look way more animal like than they actually are. The male Au Ra look like they've got much more distinct look due to facial structures (The chin crests aid in this for example), far more coverage with their scales (With the exception of the calf area), and the large horns.. Due to the down size and much more cute look to the girls, I'd agree with you there on your comments, but definitely not with the men.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

The problem with a robotic race, as interesting as it is, is that it won't make sense when you factor in the Echo. When someone dies with the Echo, they take over the closest living things body. For a robot to do this... they would either become {one of six races} OR go through the painful process of turning flesh and bone into what makes them robotic.

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You could easily make a robotic race that has a "soul", it's a pretty common trope in fantasy settings.
The Warforged in DnD, or the Androids in Pathfinder, or Reploids in Megaman X. You could have a soul that's bound to a robotic body. Sure, a person might have a hard time adjusting from a biotic body to an artificial one and vice versa, but that doesn't make it impossible or unlikely.

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Not saying it isn't within SE's power, but they are likely avoiding very beastly like races because they would have to have their own set of armor made, while the other races you have to alter minimally to make it fit. Probably avoiding the extra work for now.

Instead of adding new races why not work on giving the existing races fur? Body hair? Better customization?

Taller highlander like feral-felines for Miqo'te?

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

You could easily make a robotic race that has a "soul", it's a pretty common trope in fantasy settings.
The Warforged in DnD, or the Androids in Pathfinder, or Reploids in Megaman X. You could have a soul that's bound to a robotic body. Sure, a person might have a hard time adjusting from a biotic body to an artificial one and vice versa, but that doesn't make it impossible or unlikely.

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Take 2.2's use of Echo for example (kill Sahagin, is reborn using nearest Sahagin). Say your robot character dies and possesses the nearest living creature. Do you become a human thing again? or do you turn their entire body, consisting of flesh, bones and organs into your robotic body? OR, can you only possess what 'race' you are (this would break lore)? That's what I'm getting at.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Take 2.2's use of Echo for example (kill Sahagin, is reborn using nearest Sahagin). Say your robot character dies and possesses the nearest living creature. Do you become a human thing again? or do you turn their entire body, consisting of flesh, bones and organs into your robotic body? OR, can you only possess what 'race' you are (this would break lore)? That's what I'm getting at.

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I don't see what you are talking about at all. Robot body has soul that's not complicated its no more requiring someone to possess anything nearby than random miqote deaths.

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Originally Posted by IfritReborn

Instead of adding new races why not work on...

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I keep seeing this statement popup in this thread. I don't think anyone that's for this new race idea is demanding we get one right away, but much later in the future.

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Originally Posted by jomoru

I don't see what you are talking about at all. Robot body has soul that's not complicated its no more requiring someone to possess anything nearby than random miqote deaths.

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Do you remember the cutscene from 2.2 involving the Sahagin? Kill the one with the Echo and he took over the nearest Sahagin. For us, it would be similar. However, with a robot, that's when things get complicated. Imagine you are completely destroyed, beyond repair. Your soul possesses the nearest person so you can continue to exist. Now... do you take over the consciousness of that person (making you no longer a robot)? or do you replace everything that made them a human and make them a robot (flesh, bones and organs replaced)? or can you only possess what you are (if Allagan, then very limited supply, making them Padjal status)?

That's what I'm getting at and why I'm saying it can't work for lore reasons.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

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You haven't seen the spirit possessing another race's body yet, but that certainly doesn't mean that it's not possible.

And what would happen in this instance? That's a good question, that would be answered when/if it happened. It could work in any multitude of ways, either altering the new host's body, or not altering it at all.
If I recall correctly, the last thing the Sahagin chief had was a bullet in his brain, by your logic the new Sahagin should've been the proud owner of one as soon as he was possessed. So clearly, the consciousness, or the soul, is the only thing that's transferred.

Lore functions to make the world consistent. If the changes made to it are also consistent, then it's functioning perfectly as intended.

I gave multiple examples, so multiple 'logics' to take into consideration. That is just one example and if applied to us, we'd be nothing more than a gory mess.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

No thanks. Viera (and bunny themed things in general) are really lame imo. Give us the wolf-like race instead. Or anything that isn't 95% human.

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That would be pretty awesome I think, but only if they were more akin to a beastmen race. Could even work it into the future storyline one or more beastmen splinter factions decide to join one of the nations as refugees and takes up arms as adventurers.

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Originally Posted by IfritReborn

Instead of adding new races why not work on giving the existing races fur? Body hair? Better customization?

Taller highlander like feral-felines for Miqo'te?

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Honestly, I'd kill there to be better options with customization to make Miqo'te and Au Ra more beast like, it'd definitely solve some issues of the lack of tough looking options. The biggest issue is every time you talk about it people, people act like it's never going to happen and shouldn't be done because it'd kill the race and it's impossible due to lore.

Like.. Give me Au Ra girls as big as the guys with lots of scales and a tough looking face please. You can keep your cute ones, I'm not trying to remove that, but I'd love for the ability to make an Auri lady or Miqo'te that's as tough looking as the guys.

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

I don't think the men Au Ra look Asian at all (Not to mention, grouping a giant content filled with a lot of different ethnicities under one distinct term is a little rude) while the girl's just look.. Young. Like, my younger sister has a face incredibly similar to them and we're white as heck. Let's just be frank here, the girl's look like teenagers and tweens, the guys however don't. The guys look young, sure, but they look like mid 20's young, not mid teen's young.

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I was pointing out how the (female) Au Ra look vs the Hyur, vs how the Miqo'te look vs the Hyur. The entire context of my statement was regarding how SE painted themselves into a corner when they removed the unique gear treatments for the Miqo'te they also removed the unique gear treatments for all current and future races. The (female) Au Ra's only defining attributes are the horns, tail and face shape vs the standard Hyur model. Face shapes aren't really a big deal, it's the horns and ears that are. The Miqote have articulated ears, so all the animation sets have to take that into account. If all SE did was make it so that only head gear was unique, (given all the different ear shapes) we'd not be having this argument. But in the V1.0 gear all the gear was unique per race and gender. With V2.0 all the gear for the Hyur and Miqo'te was folded together. So we have a lot of visually annoying clipping issues with regards to tails and hair. When the Au Ra were added, they used same gearsets as the Miqo'te. The only reason the Lalafell have unique gear is because the shape of their body parts aren't the same scale as a Hyur.

Like when it comes down to it, adding another race that is "different" is actually a lot of work, because every new piece of gear must be multiplied by the number of races and genders the game has. That slows down content development.

Adding something that is basically "a tall Miqo'te with bunny ears" involves no gear reworking at all, save maybe changing hoods to have larger ear spaces. Adding a "canine" race that actually has a completely different way of walking ( digitigrade ) requires far more work that can't be done since it's not part of the existing gear animation set. If we didn't get unique Au Ra animations, we're not going to get unique Viera or any other race that walks on it's toes.

This all could have been avoided if they left Miqo'te butts alone :P but hey maybe there's more flexibility that SE is letting on. I don't see SE "fixing" this, ever. So don't expect playable furries.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

You haven't seen the spirit possessing another race's body yet, but that certainly doesn't mean that it's not possible.

And what would happen in this instance? That's a good question, that would be answered when/if it happened. It could work in any multitude of ways, either altering the new host's body, or not altering it at all.
If I recall correctly, the last thing the Sahagin chief had was a bullet in his brain, by your logic the new Sahagin should've been the proud owner of one as soon as he was possessed. So clearly, the consciousness, or the soul, is the only thing that's transferred.

Lore functions to make the world consistent. If the changes made to it are also consistent, then it's functioning perfectly as intended.

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Honestly, lore-wise the game is consistent with this... how do you think the game excuses changing race? When ko'd we also revive at a crystal. "Putting" your body into something else is completely within the lore of the game, albeit I don't think Hydaelyn would support it.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

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You do remember that fishback was using Ascian evil sorcery to do that? Its not a natural aspect of the Echo anymore than Primals naturally appear on theirown. As Ascians can possess various bodies I'll go with that as my answer to whatever question your trying to bring up.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

What about a race that was similar to Moogles in the Ivalice Alliance games? A cute race with some animalistic features.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...e_Siblings.PNG

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Hehe.. I would so play one of these :D

Also... they could do a smaller version of viera (More rabbit like, less human... kind of like some of these are) although facial expressions may be problematic

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Originally Posted by jomoru

You do remember that fishback was using Ascian evil sorcery to do that? Its not a natural aspect of the Echo anymore than Primals naturally appear on theirown. As Ascians can possess various bodies I'll go with that as my answer to whatever question your trying to bring up.

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Actually, that's a supposed 'advanced stage' of the Echo. Though the trade-off appears to leave them vulnerable to being absorbed by Primals (since you're pretty much Aether at that point, which is what Primals feast on).

The Ascian's themselves also (seem to) have the Echo... which now makes me think what our player characters really are.

Whatever they add, I just hope it's something...different. Most of the female options are overtly cutesy waifu-bait and most of the male options are just kinda rugged, tough-guy ish.

I know it's still super duper cool to hate WoW and say what you will, but they did a darn fine job at making each race look drastically different. Well, for the most part anyway. And I'm not trying to downplay what they've done with FFXIV, but I mean what do Viera bring that we don't have an abundance of already?

I wouldn't mind my own Fran :) I loved her in FFXII

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Originally Posted by Galaktica

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Bunny people basically. I mean, let's be honest, the girl au ra didn't bring much to the table their heights and small horns make it so easy to mistake them for Miqo'te it's just dumb... But due to those who like their waifish waifus and those who act like it's impossible to make a race with girls who look equally fierce as the guys (whether that be impossible due to demographics or impossible due to some other crap) and just accept the waifish waifus, Yoshida might end up being pressured to okay the Viera. This coupled with the inability to make really a tough looking version of most of the races' girls is increasingly frustrating imho, like people aren't really showing concern for those of us who want a race with tough women (or the option to make the women of the races look tough) and end up putting out horrid bad faith compromise.

oh viera! yes, i would so like that, I have no idea why they didn't make female au ra as in the concept art,
http://41.media.tumblr.com/266a142b6...rnkgo1_500.png

viera's ftw

http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-cont.../04/Viera2.jpg

tonberrys or riot!

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9759/berryjobs.jpg

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

tonberrys or riot!

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Oh god, this is so cute.

Whatever race they might add, we need another "badass/Roegadyn/7ft tall" female race. Enough of the overly cute and small females races.

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Originally Posted by Soralis

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I was so disappointed when i found out they scrapped this concept for Au'ras...

Personally I would prefer if they increased the options with the present races rather than adding a new race.

Albeit chances are they can't until they drop PS3 support.

Those bunny girls look horrible.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Stop with the new races and focus on expanding what we currently have please.

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A lot of people enjoy the new races and are excited to see more. Nothing wrong with new content just because it's aesthetic.

To the OP, I would love to see more races, but as Yoshida himself said, they're barely any different from the rest of the races. I'd like to see some races that don't look human like, or at the very least, more beast like. Even Miqo'te should have had some fur options other than the tail, and Au Ra could have been made more dragon like imo.

I was also disappointed with the lack of customisation for Au Ra, although I love the race. Inb4 PS3 limitations, but I think we should have been able to have different scale colours, customise the body scales, and have the horns separate from the faces. The races could all do with some work. :)

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Originally Posted by Sully

Found that concept art I was talkin about

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/umadori07...7/c75087f8.jpg

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Sorry to jump back to this, but, I wonder if that artwork was not meant to be concept art for a hypothetical race, but is actually hinting at the future inclusion of this lycanthorpic chap from FFV and VI.

Given the fact that image only shows a male of that 'race', I'm liable to not read too much into it as a possible future player race and just the inclusion of another character from a past FF game (even if said character was a very minor npc).

viera's for the win

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Originally Posted by Makeda

Kind of like here... Does anyone actually play anything but a catgirl in this game? First game with elves in it I've ever seen where they are actually unpopular...

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I think the elezen aren't very popular here because of their weird proportions and awkward facial structure. Also, the males' idle animation seems to have a very subtle shake to it, like they're always trembling, and once you see it you can't unsee it. The females look like they've never learned how to run.

i do not mind adding new race
and i do not mind what it is
as long as it stay out of the current race we have
a new race, not a sub of current
and i do not care it is beasty or humanoid
although i am quite sure i would be another humanoid
the culture difference between our country and the western are huge
not only the story line, not only the mechanics, but also the art and design
WoW is a hit in western, but barely known in our country
i m not against new race or how it design
i just do not have high expectation on a beasty race will be create
even-though i would love to have more diversity