Cartoony art style, hell no we won't go

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Originally Posted by Len

I think it's time for Square Enix to open up the floodgates.

Glowing, pink angel wings? ✔

20ft long sword that transforms into five other swords? ✔

..Who needs a consistent art style!

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i def need to get me a sword ilke that, goes with my chocobo name, "voltron"

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Therefore forums will always have more negative threads than positives.

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That doesn't mean there will be a thread for everything. For example, if the weapons weren't so oversized I am pretty sure people would still find them cool, but there would be no negative backlash as there is currently. People would like them, some more, some less, but it would only come down to personal preferences. Such is not the case here.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

this thread was about them being "cartoony" and wow like, i dont think the op even mentioned the size but i refuse to read that garbage again so ill have to go off memory.

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garbage : : *sulk*

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

That doesn't mean there will be a thread for everything. For example, if the weapons weren't so oversized I am pretty sure people would still find them cool, but there would be no negative backlash as there is currently.

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HAHAHA...you don't surf these forums much, do you?

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

Depends on the sense.. people who don't like things tend to post more. If I don't like something I'm going to let SE know because this forum is for feed back.

But on the flip sense people who do like it, or who do enjoy the game will not post as much or make as many threads. This is due to the fact that they like was SE has done and don't need to post to complain about anything.

Therefore forums will always have more negative threads than positives.

Same premises as in RL people are more likely to call Customer Service to complain about a company, than to compliment them. :)

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I post a lot (well... yeah, we all know that) but I've not once complained about anything in the game *apart* from the annoying foot-fall noise in the market wards, which is easily bypassed by turning the sound off.

Some of us just like to chat, y'know? ;)

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Originally Posted by Len

I think it's time for Square Enix to open up the floodgates.

Glowing, pink angel wings? ✔

20ft long sword that transforms into five other swords? ✔

..Who needs a consistent art style!

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Don't you know Cloud has an sword that turns into like 7 more <.< you must be in that crowd of ppl who played/only know about FF 11 lol...

What i liked from those new weapons is that they look that you made them from ifrit, that shows a lot of what crafting and killing mobs are in this game, you can take a beast an make a weapon with it, yes the bow looks alittle bit over the top but i like it, i would prefer to have mats than full made gear, i dont like everything silver plate handed, besides maybe you could get an ifrit sword +3 if crafted, think about it :D, I agree getting full made gear if you take the weapon of the boss you killed like a garlean commander.

EDIT: and about what firon said is true there are a lot of weapons and gear that dont look any close to reality and were great, how badass would a DRK look if it had a great sword like that?

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

The issue is not that the designs are bad, the issue is they do not match the current game at all.

More or less I feel they look way way out of place compared to everything else.

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Because up until now the adventurers never fought a primal, the equipment looks made out of him so it's kinda normal that they look like something new in this world where all the gears were made out of materials gathered. I don't see the issue.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Don't you know Cloud has an sword that turns into like 7 more <.< you must be in that crowed of ppl who played/only know about FF 11 lol...

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It would be awesome if you could get Cloud's Buster sword, which granted you the Knights of the Round ability.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

That doesn't mean there will be a thread for everything. For example, if the weapons weren't so oversized I am pretty sure people would still find them cool, but there would be no negative backlash as there is currently. People would like them, some more, some less, but it would only come down to personal preferences. Such is not the case here.

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your forgetting about how many people dont like them glowing, hence this thread

I'm pretty sure in the days of cavemen, one caveman wouldn't complain to another caveman because the bone he was using to club wooly mammoths to death with was too big...

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

That doesn't mean there will be a thread for everything. For example, if the weapons weren't so oversized I am pretty sure people would still find them cool, but there would be no negative backlash as there is currently. People would like them, some more, some less, but it would only come down to personal preferences. Such is not the case here.

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Actually, no matter how proportionate they were, this thread or a thread like it would exist just because they glow, if not for some other unnecessary reason.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

HAHAHA...you don't surf these forums much, do you?

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^ That is what I want to say, but I know better. You clearly surf these forums quite a lot, and also do not play the game nearly as much. Therefore I think my reaction can be adequately summed up as this.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

HAHAHA...you don't surf these forums much, do you?

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To you anything not positive and optimistic would be automatically a backlash.

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Actually, no matter how proportionate they were, this thread or a thread like it would exist just because they glow, if not for some other unnecessary reason.

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It certainly makes the matters slightly worse in this case. More than a sum of its parts.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Don't you know Cloud has an sword that turns into like 7 more <.< you must be in that crowed of ppl who played/only know about FF 11 lol...

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that's what i've been saying this whole time. some pple think XI was the first and only title in the series...

hint: XI = 11 in roman numbers...

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Originally Posted by Firon

I said this in the other thread so ill say it once more... Just because something looks big does not mean it weigh's a lot....Example Two handed swords they actual weigh in @ 5 pounds "The more you know" *shooting star and rainbows*

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Whatcha smokin' over there, I'm holding onto a bastard sword right now (that I own from being a trained combatant in this weapon style) and it weighs at least 8-10lbs, and my Sensei, Master, Maestro, what ever you want to name him, has one (that he uses to teach the style that weighs around 15lbs and its a monster, and its historically proportionate to the weapons of that time period)

That being said yes bigger does not always equal heavier, as a big balloon isn't as heavy as a big bowling ball (this is known fact) but if you take a dense horn and put it on a bow it will feel heavier, also the fact that the bow looks "top heavy" makes it seem like it should be even more cumbersome to wield than if the big part was on the bottom of the bow.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Whatcha smokin' over there, I'm holding onto a bastard sword right now (that I own from being a trained combatant in this weapon style) and it weighs at least 8-10lbs, and my Sensei, Master, Maestro, what ever you want to name him, has one (that he uses to teach the style that weighs around 15lbs and its a monster, and its historically proportionate to the weapons of that time period)

That being said yes bigger does not always equal heavier, as a big balloon isn't as heavy as a big bowling ball (this is known fact) but if you take a dense horn and put it on a bow it will feel heavier, also the fact that the bow looks "top heavy" makes it seem like it should be even more cumbersome to wield than if the big part was on the bottom of the bow.

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is it made from ifrit?

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Originally Posted by Len

I expect better designs from Square Enix because I know they're capable of it.

Examples:1, 2, 3.

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don't forget the other weapons

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...ang_Spears.png
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy..._Gunblades.png
http://auronlu.istad.org/squidoo/fin...fx-weapons.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...nille_Rods.png
http://www.dualshockers.com/wp-conte...t_02_small.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...IIweapons1.jpg

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Whatcha smokin' over there, I'm holding onto a bastard sword right now (that I own from being a trained combatant in this weapon style) and it weighs at least 8-10lbs, and my Sensei, Master, Maestro, what ever you want to name him, has one (that he uses to teach the style that weighs around 15lbs and its a monster, and its historically proportionate to the weapons of that time period)

That being said yes bigger does not always equal heavier, as a big balloon isn't as heavy as a big bowling ball (this is known fact) but if you take a dense horn and put it on a bow it will feel heavier, also the fact that the bow looks "top heavy" makes it seem like it should be even more cumbersome to wield than if the big part was on the bottom of the bow.

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Go look it up bro Real 2-handed swords not replica;'s are about 5Ibl's
Here you go linky http://www.thearma.com/essays/2HGS.html

Or you can call them Zweihänder those are the type of 2-handed sword SE tends to use for G.Swords

maybe i should have picked a less rage inspiring title like "What do you think about the Art Design choices?"

.....I created a monster.

Here's a great idea.

Let's all load up Final Fantasy X-2, and all of those who think the weapons featured in it aren't suitable for a Final Fantasy game shout through out of their window through a megaphone "Not good enough for Final Fantasy." for each weapon they think is wrong.

If you get arrested for noise pollution, you're wrong in your assumption.

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Originally Posted by Felis

don't forget the other weapons

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...ang_Spears.png
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy..._Gunblades.png
http://auronlu.istad.org/squidoo/fin...fx-weapons.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...nille_Rods.png
http://www.dualshockers.com/wp-conte...t_02_small.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...IIweapons1.jpg

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..Other weapons, from other games, that have different art styles & themes?

For mentioning Final Fantasy XIII and its sequel: here's a present.

I think the new designs are awesome, except the mage weapons look too thick. But let the artists be artists.. for God's sake, it's at most like 3 months worth of weapons. More importantly, you should be worried about how to hold on to that one weapon you do end up really liking.

Depends on your blade type bro, In real life I am holding onto a REAL bastard sword (great sword =/= bastard sword there are differences) and it weighs over 5 lbs and I've trained with swords that were heavier than that. I'd take what I can hold in my hands over a link someone is providing any day for my facts (especially on the internet)

Overall the style of FFXIV is more on a realistic approach. The items have great detail, and are not over the top.

However, if I am going to kill the God of Fire, I expect major fantasy elements on the loot I get from it.

Looking at the new weapons from the Bowl of Embers, I see a healthy balance of both detail and adherence to the style of the game, as well as sufficient representation of the weapon's divine, fantastic origin.

The weapons designs are great and do not conflict the game's art style.

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Originally Posted by Len

..Other weapons, from other games, that have different art styles & themes?

For mentioning Final Fantasy XIII and its sequel: here's a present.

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But you did it, too
Showed weapons from other games, that have different art styles

I think there is one small tiny teenie weenie important factor playing in here.

There have been so many fantasy games in the decades of video gaming that's it's very difficult to make clothes and weapons featured in them look unique.

Artists are going to have to branch out to more unusual designs in order to keep the appearance fresh instead of looking like a copy of something else.

That being said, the Ifrit weaponry looks quite unique, so I think they did a good job on them.

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Originally Posted by Irondude

maybe i should have picked a less rage inspiring title like "What do you think about the Art Design choices?"

.....I created a monster.

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I think you're right. :)

To answer your question more directly (and to get this thread back on topic, I hope), Aeris and Yuna (FFX version) are my favorite characters in FF and any of the design choices associated with them are generally my favorite.

I do also like Cloud's swords (so no, the weapon size is not a big deal to me), along with many of the other swords made for FF. I do prefer a more traditional double-edge sword as opposed to the ones from FFX with the hook edge.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Depends on your blade type bro, In real life I am holding onto a REAL bastard sword (great sword =/= bastard sword there are differences) and it weighs over 5 lbs and I've trained with swords that were heavier than that. I'd take what I can hold in my hands over a link someone is providing any day for my facts (especially on the internet)

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hes not saying every sword weighs 5 pounds its the low side of the average

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Originally Posted by Felis

But you did it, too
Showed weapons from other games, that have different art styles

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Those weapon designs were from Final Fantasy XIV.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Overall the style of FFXIV is more on a realistic approach. The items have great detail, and are not over the top.

However, if I am going to kill the God of Fire, I expect major fantasy elements on the loot I get from it.

Looking at the new weapons from the Bow of Embers, I see a healthy balance of both detail and adherence to the style of the game, as well as sufficient representation of the weapon's divine, fantastic origin.

The weapons designs are great and do not conflict the game's art style.

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you killed ifrit, open chest, wahoo, a buffalo lth strap.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Depends on your blade type bro, In real life I am holding onto a REAL bastard sword (great sword =/= bastard sword there are differences) and it weighs over 5 lbs and I've trained with swords that were heavier than that. I'd take what I can hold in my hands over a link someone is providing any day for my facts (especially on the internet)

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Sure ok but... just read the facts if a sword weigh 15 pounds that's not real lol its an replica lol... Wielding a 15 pound sword in combat would get you killed very fast.....anyways im off to the gym lol....

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Originally Posted by Len

..Other weapons, from other games, that have different art styles & themes?

For mentioning Final Fantasy XIII and it's sequel: here's a present.

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Touché!

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

That doesn't mean there will be a thread for everything. For example, if the weapons weren't so oversized I am pretty sure people would still find them cool, but there would be no negative backlash as there is currently. People would like them, some more, some less, but it would only come down to personal preferences. Such is not the case here.

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You are 100% correct, there will NOT be a thread for everything. People who tend to not have an issue or are happy with what is going on are less likely to post or say something. But if someone posts or says something that goes against their opinion they are more likely to comment and express their like for it. Why, because by human nature people are more likely to complain that compliment. When someone is happy with something and someone challenges it, they feel a need to defend it.

It's the same as if someone had posted a thread in support of the weapons. If I went and posted a thread saying how much I liked the Ifrit weapons you don't think people won't post disagreeing with my statement?


And yes that is the case here and now... as you see this person made a thread explaining why they didn't like it. As you see a lot of people are posting on here saying they IN FACT like them. Even on that big thread they were talking about another person also pointed out that even on that other thread of complains people were positing saying they liked the weapons.

It is MY personal preference that I like the weapons.

It is the OPs person preference that they don't like the weapon.

Does that mean I am right and the OP is wrong, or vice verse. No, it means that we just have differing opinions... no ones opinion in this is right or wrong, it is all about personal preference. The OP isn't wrong, I just don't agree with their opinion and there is nothing wrong with that.

If you look though this forum every negative thread with have people disagreeing, and every positive thread will have people disagreeing. Welcome to a thing called an opinion.


Also I have to disagree... even if the weapons were less bulky people would STILL complain because you're missing one key factor. People aren't just complaining about the SIZE but also the DESIGN and the GLOWING effect.

Take away the bulk and you still have design and glow for people to complain about. I mean seriously, SE GIVES people 200 extra inventory... whats wrong with that?? And people STILL complained. I'm sorry but you're arguments aren't logical and seem very narrow in view.

They look fine to me and not too overdone on the glow effect. Having said that, the bow is a little big.

What's the big glowing ice-cream cone that Roegadyn is using?
A culinarian weapon O.o/?

Oh here I found a thread about the Ifrit loot where the OP did start it by saying that the loot looks awesome, so there is your positive thread! :D

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tle-Ifrit-Loot

I 100% agree with the statement of Gramul. It was an essential aspect for me choosing to play this game, since the design was natural, and when it comes to weapons even realistic. These new lava glowing things are like from annother world rather than from eorzea.
Please no more uber size weapons !!

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Originally Posted by Len

Those weapon designs were from Final Fantasy XIV.

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The emphasis should be on Final Fantasy, not the XIV.

Hey look:

http://i51.tinypic.com/72vtpf.jpg

Huh, go figure.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Hey look:

http://i51.tinypic.com/72vtpf.jpg

Huh, go figure.

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ROFL now it just needs to glow and it would look SO familiar! XD