so I got kicked today for...

Personally I dislike macros of that sort, but I don't think its that a big deal or warrants kicking someone unless its OBVIOUSLY obnoxious or overdone.

Key part is where you did not respond the first time he asked you something about it. He most likely felt ingnored and thought you could not care less.

Maybe a bit harsh, but I would have voted yes too. I don't understand why people feel the need to RP wherever they go.

I am conflicted about this though I don't RP personally there are times where macros can be amusing or annoying so I can definitely see both sides here. That being said in a 4 man dungeon I don't see why people are so worried that they are going to miss something important in chat. I mean c'mon its a 4 man whats so important that really needs to be said that macros will disrupt. Rarely are you ever in a group with lets say double NINs where you would really need to watch that gets thrown out there like trick attack so you don't have 2 people doing the move at the same time. If 4 people and someone died I can see you I don't really need to look out for some macro telling me your raising I got eyes I can see hes/she are dead. For raids and alliance chats though I can certainly see peoples point about spamming unnecessary macros since the more people in the group the more margin for error and more going on from all classes which some information definitely makes sense to show in the log.

If I were you I would do it in /say. If they dont like it they can mute the /say channel. They dont need a say channel in a raid setting. Party chat should be used to communicate directions for the battle etc. But /say is free ranged

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

Oh man those XI days. Those days when no one gave hout what you had on your macros.

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If you haven't done it lately, you should go look up that Boost macro. This thread made me need to read that again.

I dont rp but usually play on rp oriented servers because i like the community better but i am pretty sure there's more to this than one macro on an ability with a long cd.

The bards and their blunt arrow Marcos and when it's not even hitting a mob that's worth silenceing.


so annoying to have to see and hear it ever time its up for them to use.

For one, we are only getting one side of the story here.

Secondly, that was a wasted report. It's perfectly acceptable to kick someone who annoys the group and refuses to stop. I don't vote for kicks unless you aren't actually playing. I would be annoyed by your macros though. You aren't the only one playing when you join groups...

As for the conversation where someone claimed that they are good because they are always the last alive on wipes. That actually means you aren't good. Good healers and dps will have enough emnity to die right after the tank. Those who contribute the least will be targeted last. The only time that isn't true is if the entire group is good, then some people using aggro reduction skills may be targeted last.

Gomu gomu no assu kikkingu pistoru!

I don't blame them. you annoyed them and refused to turn it off.

You can always use /echo i belive thats here too. It shows w/e you want to say to you only.

Were you in WoD when that happened because someone was kicked from another alliance for that reason.
Sorry you got kicked, people can be jerks.

tbh, yes it can be annoying, but I would never kick someone for it.
I'd just not read the chat log, which is usaully empty in a DF roulette anyway.

Some people aren't meant to play team games (talking about the person that votekicked you) if they get mad cause of some text that isn't offensive to them.

I always assume they have some kind of mental problem and that is why they get angry for small stuff.

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I ahd one in ST once with really funny macros. I think he was a monk and he was rping being drunk so he would say stuff and *hic* in the middle of sentences. "Taste my fist! *hic*"
Made me laugh <3

I never understood these RP macros. It seems appealing at first, but when you sit back and think about it, it's really dumb. So let's break this down

You jump into the heavens and rain down hell fire upon your foes and you say "Burn all creation to ash. Dragonfire Dive" This seems really bad ass at first, right? But do you really have to go about naming your attacks? Who honestly does that in a RP scenario.Then every 2 minutes your character says the same exact thing for that attack. Is that another one of his quirks? He seems quite annoying to have around, especially if he's loud about it.

I understand why people do it. You can't go about typing in something new every time you explode. But if you're in a dungeon with non-RPers, it's best to stay away from those or like they've suggested above, use /echo.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

You're still not helping the overall situation though is what I'm saying. Maybe you wouldn't have been too slow if you had access to summoner abilties and used an actual dps pet. In the end when it boils down to that, you're a dps that's not dpsing. I mean you even know this and admitted that you'd run into problems, you should be expecting this sort of flank for playing an arcanist with topaz; I don't understand why you find the need to need to vent about that after getting kicked for purposely not pulling your weight.

You would've probably saved the group anyway if you were pulling your weight in damage to get those hourglasses down with the occasional raises (because a summoner can raise just as well as an arcanist) . The bottom line is that you're not more than likely not capable of so because you don't have the means to.

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What? What, what, what? Hold on a second how exactly wasn't he pulling his own weight?

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

That's nothing. I was running WoD once and got a really bad group. We very nearly wiped during the Ahriman fight, and the only reason we didn't is because I had to spend most of the fight reviving our healers and tanks, (across the entire alliance), rather than DPSing.

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Did you guys not read this part? The Tanks and Healers were dropping like flies and it was all 3 alliances and he was doing his best to revive them and heal them with the Weakness debuff on them and their TP and MP on low reserves... they're going to have a rough time without some backup or support and it seems like he was helping them stay alive during the fight otherwise it was going to be a wipe.

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No one killed hourglasses and they manage to clear the fight it seems. Sure it was a rough start, but he was keeping the team afloat and had to discard DPSing to do it.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

You'd do MORE DPS if you ran as a summoner, or more utility/heals if you ran as a scholar.
It doesn't matter if you're "better" than someone else, you're purposely playing with a stacked deck against yourself.
You're doing decent DPS, that's fine (though outdamaging a bard is nothing to write home about) but you're purposefully and knowingly gimping yourself and thus, your raid. You're trying to "non-specialize" in a game with streamlined classes.

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Excuse me? Again did you not read the part where all the Tanks and Healers in all 3 alliances dropped? He went out of his way to pick them back up and it wasn't hourglass that killed them, mostly Doom as they weren't watching the Mortal Gaze move.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

See, this what I don't understand. You play like a scholar, but you don't want to queue as a scholar. You keep saying that you're the one pulling the group through, when chances are, you're also contributing to why the group is falling so behind in the first place; again using the first WoD boss as an example, the adds will do evil eye which will chunk your party if they don't die fast enough. I could be the last person alive in the party for all I care, it means jack shite if its because the fight is taking too long to finish because overall dps is low.

I can appreciate you trying to play the class differently, but it gets kind of frustrating when you keep defending yourself as this guy who does above-and-beyond to pull their group through. Don't victimize yourself and expect people to ostracize you or even kick you for something like this. I'm sorry but this is one of my biggest pet peeves when it comes to people.

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Wow, yeah. Um... I rather have a teammate help out their team when the tables turn on them when we lose a Tank or Healer by an unfortunate event and support them until they can get back to doing their job when their reserves are back to optimal levels and depending on the situation focus on helping the team before going back to add unless the add or mechanic is going to do major damage then the focus back on that.

You need more than one vote to get kickd , so you were probly pissing the rest off to with your stupid macro

dont mind the ( stupid ) raise macro's because it dont get used every fight

but even with the long cooldown your claim that still every 2-3 minuts that that shit is going off
if you see the amount of actual communication that happens in a average run , there complete chat log was probly noting els than your stupid macro

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Tbh, when people use macros like that, it can be extemely annoying.

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I totally agree. I don't mind macros calling out some important moves like provoke, HG, rez, benediction and such, but when its just a DPS calling out his attacks... It is indeed extremely annoying.

I understand about the RP and everything but you RP'ers need to understand aswell that most ppl would be annoyed by that.

Heres an example.Last week i got a BLM in WoD with an obnoxious macro ( with sound effects and everything ) every time he used a flare. Despite having the whole group asking him nicely to remove it before the next pull he kept going on. We had no other choice than kicking him before the 3rd boss and i have no regrets.

If you want to RP and still "call" your attacks, please for the love of the twelve use /echo, or restrict the use of these macros for when you play with ppl sharing the same RP mindset.

good..... he ask you to stop and you kept going anyways its extremely annoying and it clutters chat

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Originally Posted by VirusChris

Did you guys not read this part? The Tanks and Healers were dropping like flies and it was all 3 alliances and he was doing his best to revive them and heal them with the Weakness debuff on them and their TP and MP on low reserves... they're going to have a rough time without some backup or support and it seems like he was helping them stay alive during the fight otherwise it was going to be a wipe.

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He can use raise on being either summoner or scholar. Rather than being an arcanist and playing summoner he can put out more dps. As dps you should always maximize dps as much as possible. If he was scholar he would actually provide actual healing and put out decent dps if he wanted.

And yeah macros on attacks when it's not needed is annoying to me.

These kind of macros make me wish there was an /ignore option inside instances. Then the party members who enjoy them can see them while those who find them annoying can ignore them.

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It is a bit annoying when people use macros for rez, eye for eye and virus. I am sorry to tell you this, but you need to pay attention to the icon next to the person name on your pt. I have seen people that already use swifttcast trying to rez others and with macro so the other healer that could instantly rez don't cuz of the previous macro saying you are rez someone.

Give a windon time of 3-4 sec to see if someone else will rez others. For virus, you can see the debuffs on the monster you are attacking. You can see eye for eye icon too. if you are lvl 50 and didn't learn how those buffs look then there is something wrong.

I don't mind rp macros. Some of them are fun to watch. If they are enjoyable it is a plus for me. I don't rp myself or use a single macro. I just play BM (battle mode) style. I don't talk at least they are talking directly to me or in the very beginning.

I can understand the frustration of having a person using macros to call the attacks. It's just silly and not needed, if its a RP Server, I understand and its fine, but for me I don't like it especially if it adds nothing of use like the healer calling out a raise (to avoid other healers or summoners wasting mp to raise) or tanks swapping, but just doing it for flavor irritates me to no end, however I usually ignore it and keep my mouth shut, but if other people decided to kick ya....well im voting yes too. xD

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Originally Posted by AzraelX

Thank you for everyone's comments- you are right - I'm not playing alone and everyone plays differently. I have changed it to echo instead of party. Thank you guys

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I'd like to point out this edit the OP made. Props to him for finding a good solution that makes everybody happy. It's nice to see people try and compromise rather than throw tantrums like so many do.

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From the get go, if you're playing an arcanist with topaz out, you're not pulling your weight. End of story. He was raising his party, but the matter of fact is, he can also do that as a scholar and especially a summoner without suffering a loss in dps (and especially when a scholar technically can still dps more effectively than an arcanist because of cleric stance and higher mp pools). Whose to say the party got that bad in the first place because the manyu adds didn't die fast enough and chunked everyone with x2 evil eye?

Or are you going to tell me that an arcanist (who lacks 30 intellgence and fester) using a topaz will pull anywhere near the damage capability as a summoner? That extra dps could've been clutch in getting those last few hourglasses down or killing the adds before evil eyes. http://i.imgur.com/stney.gif


As far as macros with res/virus is concerned, it's pretty important to make those calls so you don't overlap something. You can't see your party's targets without having to directly target them, and virus is extremely important in some circumstances that it needs to be called out to ensure no confusion/wasted cooldowns.

In the end though, OP did find a compromise to avoid things like this in the future, so props to him. In the end, you need to make sure there's an understanding between both parties. Don't push the envelope when people ask you the first time around, and certainly don't victimize/act surprised when they finally do retaliate.

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Originally Posted by Kit-Kat

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OP: Problem here is you're not playing alone. It's fine if you want to RP, but doesn't mean everyone has/wants to. The same way you got the right to RP, they also have the right to kick you if whole party agrees and your playstyles aren't compatible. Macros annoy and/or distract some people, though in 4 players content it wouldn't hurt imo, there's not much going on. It is actually better leaving (or in this case, kicked) a party that doesn't suit your playstyle and look for a better one.

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Glad someone mentioned the "I don't respond" part. As annoying as I personally find rp macros, I'm not gonna kick someone over it. But if I ask someone to stop doing something that's annoying me, and they not only keep doing it, but completely ignore me? That's a kick (or at least a passive aggressive insult).

Ignoring people is one of those insults that transcends time and culture; everyone everywhere is offended by having their opinions blown off like that.

When did this thread become yet another war about if people should use macros or... actually, don't answer that. I'll just chalk this up as another unpleasable fanbase moment that can't reach a middle ground on this subject. Where's my popcorn? This could be awhile.

... ah. Splendid.

http://images.onesite.com/capcom-uni...95.gif?v=76800

As a tank I tend to pay attention to party chat, it's usually one of the party members communicating something to me. So if I see party macros going off every time someone uses an ability I tend to get a bit annoyed myself. Like it's been mentioned, use echo if you really want to have chat macros.

Unlike FFXI there is very little reason to let your party know about what your doing with the exception of a few key things like stuns or Trick attack.

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I don't see any arguing here. Just people stating their preferences. Some people like rp macros, some people don't, most don't care.

I like the OP's compromise to use /echo so he can continue enjoying them while remaining mindful that others may find them spammy.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

I don't see any arguing here. Just people stating their preferences. Some people like rp macros, some people don't, most don't care.

I like the OP's compromise to use /echo so he can continue enjoying them while remaining mindful that others may find them spammy.

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I suppose. I've seen worse thinking about it. Perhaps "war" isn't the word I should be using this time around. (Habit, considering most other threads I've seen not just here but at other forums too)

I already saw that earlier post too and liked the compromise as well.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

If you haven't done it lately, you should go look up that Boost macro. This thread made me need to read that again.

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The way old XI worked, you was happy to see something cuz half the time was waiting.

I agree that having macros attached to useless skills annoying. I have one for raising which honestly I shouldn't have to use but it's designed for alerting other healers to my actions so we don't waste swiftcast and raise on the same person. I DO have a benediction one that was a raid joke I've just never removed however I would stop having bringing asked to do so, I suppose with having a macro on that skill it stops healers wasting expensive skills on soon to be dead players. Apart from that a berserk macro to help healers heal pacify which is always useful from both points of view plus the occasional (alert to boss mechanic) macro.

When it comes down to macros you have have joke/rp ones but if people ask for you to stop you should, just stops drama from happening... I remember one RP tank I had who macrod shield lob, I had to mute my to because he didn't stop and he had noise alerts on it, not happy.

reminds me of old summoner macros in ffxi.. I still some of those now, I cringe.. but lol at the same time

Those macros are fine with friends who don't mind or whatever, but in a group full of strangers, they're bound to be annoyed by it.

My FC mate does the same thing, and i find it bothersome. (He uses a quote from He-Man with his execute, and he tends to get spammy with the button when he presses it)

When i look at the chat log during a fight i'm looking to see if anyone has said anything of importance, not

*insert roleplaying*
*insert roleplaying*
*insert roleplaying*
*insert roleplaying*
*insert roleplaying*

I'd never vote kick someone for annoying macros, but I have definitely been known to blacklist over it.

..I rarely pay attention to party chat unless it's something important.

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reminds me of old summoner macros in ffxi.. I still some of those now, I cringe.. but lol at the same time

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When I used to grind hunts, there was one summoner who would alway show up. He had a rediculously long macro for his summons and liked to run around without them summoned, so that right before each pull, he could summon them and spam the macro. The first time was lol k, after that, not so much, and that he had it in shout as well..
Speaking of hunts and macros, those people who are in 5 ls with you and have an obnoxiously long macro thats goes in all of them, plus /say /shout and /party, when you are trying to invite people....

I have one thats just <t><pos> and another that is <t> pulled. The last one only gets used on S ranks.

In FFXI I had marcos which saying things on everything. And I found it pissed off a lot of people, including my wife. So I had 2 marco sets, one for me and one for everyone else.

In FFXIV I haven't.



It's all good to RP and play the way you want. But you can't piss off other people in doing so or bad things can happen.

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Originally Posted by DGladius

He can use raise on being either summoner or scholar. Rather than being an arcanist and playing summoner he can put out more dps. As dps you should always maximize dps as much as possible. If he was scholar he would actually provide actual healing and put out decent dps if he wanted.

And yeah macros on attacks when it's not needed is annoying to me.

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Is that, right? I wasn't sure what class he was but I assumed he was a Summoner as someone quoted that "as a SMN he should focus on DPS more".

I'll agree that as a DPS you should really bring out your output as much as possible, but I rather play it safe at times when pressing too hard and neglecting the team that will result in a wipe despite how much DPSing. Well different strokes for different people.

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Originally Posted by VirusChris

Is that, right? I wasn't sure what class he was but I assumed he was a Summoner as someone quoted that "as a SMN he should focus on DPS more".

I'll agree that as a DPS you should really bring out your output as much as possible, but I rather play it safe at times when pressing too hard and neglecting the team that will result in a wipe despite how much DPSing. Well different strokes for different people.

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He's going in as an arcanist and using a topaz carbuncle (the tanking one). By default he's already doing significantly less than an average player. To not expect some form of hostility when you're doing this (and he has acknowledged that this would be the case as well in another topic) is outrageous, let alone making a vent topic/post about it to victimize yourself after getting kicked for such.

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Originally Posted by XxSliphxX

That's all i needed to read. Don't rp with people that don't want to hear it.

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