Final Fantasy XIV is failing so much... that they're hiring :D

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

.....ok and? they need more programers to add to the current team to get things done faster... your point?

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You got owned by the posts below you troll.

Obviously most of the guys are taking the position of people who left the dev team of XIV to work on DQX.

XIV is the perfect fit for a new dev because it's a low responsibility job. The experienced guys can work on a new project this way minimizing risks.

Either way at least they are hiring that can only be a good thing no matter how you look at it.

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Originally Posted by Seif

Obviously most of the guys are taking the position of people who left the dev team of XIV to work on DQX.

XIV is the perfect fit for a new dev because it's a low responsibility job. The experienced guys can work on a new project this way minimizing risks.

Either way at least they are hiring that can only be a good thing no matter how you look at it.

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Umm... low responsibility job? Not to pick at straws but I'd imagine atm FFXIV is probably on S.E's high priority list of things to do right. That's why the dev team are putting so much content into the patches, to make the game the success it should have been at launch, and why they need additional workers to push it harder and make it fabulous.

I love the way so many here claim to have the slightest idea in why SE or any milti-million dollar software would do anything.........

That being said the title of the htread is moronic in itself.

Abriael man I thought you loved XIV, I wouldnt of titled it Failing, I think they just want to speed things up along.

I've been saying all along they will fail pretty hard if they dont hire new talent and that is just because the single current time isnt enough, its evident through programming logics and update speed. More will help, even if its a few it will help a lot.

Very glad SE are doing this. I've been bashing on about it for a while!

Damn.. close this useless thread already..
Company's grow. SE is growing. That is good.

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Originally Posted by Seif

Obviously most of the guys are taking the position of people who left the dev team of XIV to work on DQX.

XIV is the perfect fit for a new dev because it's a low responsibility job. The experienced guys can work on a new project this way minimizing risks.

Either way at least they are hiring that can only be a good thing no matter how you look at it.

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You may want to know that Dragon Quest X has been in full production for years, so no, there's no suddenly hiring devs now to replace those suddenly moved to Dragon Quest X for some obscure reason.

There's no signal of devs in those position moved to other projects, so there's no reason to assume that.

Unless,of course, one wants to artifically spin it negatively, which is what you normally try to do :D

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Originally Posted by viion

Abriael man I thought you loved XIV, I wouldnt of titled it Failing, I think they just want to speed things up along.

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I think next time I'll bring the "sarcasm" sign along :D Some people are a tad slow on the uptake :D

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Originally Posted by GreatLeviathan

Damn.. close this useless thread already..
Company's grow. SE is growing. That is good.

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Exactly.
FFXIV may have failed at some points but absolutely it's nothing like when it was released, so I would never say FFXIV is failing rather than it's going to be what we expected to have at the beginning and even better. SE is a huge company and they released many successful games before and still do, so hiring new employees doesn't necessary means they are 'failing'.

Yuki,

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Originally Posted by Yukisawada

Exactly.
FFXIV may have failed at some points but absolutely it's nothing like when it was released, so I would never say FFXIV is failing rather than it's going to be what we expected to have at the beginning and even better. SE is a huge company and they released many successful games before and still do, so hiring new employees doesn't necessary means they are 'failing'.

Yuki,

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yes, some people definitely need to increase the sensitivity of their sarcasm radar.

I'll help you guys with a handy paraphrase of the title of the thread:

"Square Enix is hiring people for the team, investing more resources, which is a clear signal that the game is NOT failing"

Lesson learned I hope. Now you know sarcasm isn't easily read.

It was a set-up. Abriael prefers to lure people into a trap and then lord it over them.

Gotta stay en pointe up in here, yall.

Blizzard is always hiring new employees. I just fed a troll.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

yes, some people definitely need to increase the sensitivity of their sarcasm radar.

I'll help you guys with a handy paraphrase of the title of the thread:

"Square Enix is hiring people for the team, investing more resources, which is a clear signal that the game is NOT failing"

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Still it's a useless post. Your title does not include any sarcasme. So you fail?
I believe SE is 1 of the biggest company's in the gameworld..
Blizzard is nothing compared to SE.. they only have 3 games on 10 years LOL..
SE has over 50 on less :D

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Originally Posted by GreatLeviathan

Still it's a useless post. Your title does not include any sarcasme. So you fail?

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Yeah, because it's for *you* to decide if *my* title does or does not include sarcasM (I think that's the word you're looking for :D), right?

And just as a passing note, it's not for you to decide if a thread is useful or useless, given the number of people discussing here, it seems quite useful to me. Ooops. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mushy

AND WE STILL DONT HAVE CHOCOBOS

1.18c hocobo anyone?

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1.19, not earlier

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Originally Posted by Seif

Either way at least they are hiring that can only be a good thing no matter how you look at it.

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Technically speaking...

They could simply be hiring because some of their staff left, got fired, or died. In which case SE are merely filling the vacuum left in those people's wake. (Too soon?). In which case, SE would be understaffed during the meantime. Which is bad.

If there's one thing you can always count on, it's pessimism.

Pessimism got your back, yo.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Technically speaking...

They could simply be hiring because some of their staff left, got fired, or died. In which case SE are merely filling the vacuum left in those people's wake. (Too soon?). In which case, SE would be understaffed during the meantime. Which is bad.

If there's one thing you can always count on, it's pessimism.

Pessimism got your back, yo.

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Yes, 11 people got fired, left or died all at the same time, requiring to be replaced all at the same time.

I see a logical fallacy right there :D

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Yes, 11 people got fired, left or died all at the same time, requiring to be replaced all at the same time.

I see a logical fallacy right there :D

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Do I detect a note of sarcasm!? You know we don't take kindly to things we don't understand. And sarcasm, lest I remind you, be one of those things.

But if you must know, it is true, sad but true.

Eleven people got fired, resigned and died all at the same time (in that order). Logical fallacy notwithstanding, it was a remarkable achievement.

Or so says I.

And, sure, you might be inclined to say: "well what gives you the right to fabricate facts about 11 people dying!?" And that's a good point and you'd be wise to remember it next time you feign inside knowledge of the inner workings of SE.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

And, sure, you might be inclined to say: "well what gives you the right to fabricate facts about 11 people dying!?" And that's a good point and you'd be wise to remember it next time you feign inside knowledge of the inner workings of SE.

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There's no need to feign, my friend. As a gaming writer, hunting for gaming-related news is my job. While I don't know *everything*, I have enough info to tell you that no, there has not been any mass murder inside the SE offices, nor mass layoffs.

Try again, it's always absolutely amusing to see people bend over twice to try (and fail) to spin good news negatively :D

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Originally Posted by Abriael

There's no need to feign, my friend. As a gaming writer, hunting for gaming-related news is my job. While I don't know *everything*, I have enough info to tell you that no, there has not been any mass murder inside the SE offices, nor mass layoffs.

Try again, it's always absolutely amusing to see people bend over twice to try (and fail) to spin good news negatively :D

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You would say that wouldn't you?

How dubious it all is; you just happening to know all the pertinent details. It's a little too convenient if you ask me.

Clearly a ruse if I ever saw one. Why, If I may be so bold to say, it's almost elementary my dear Watson.

Tell me, sir, when did you sell your tongue to the corporates? And for how much? Answer me that.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

You would say that wouldn't you?

How dubious it all is; you just happening to know all the pertinent details. It's a little too convenient if you ask me.

Clearly a ruse if I ever saw one. Why, If I may be so bold to say, it's almost elementary my dear Watson.

Tell me, sir, when did you sell your tongue to the corporates? And for how much? Answer me that.

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but of course, your inability to counter my argument prompts the petty attempt to attack my credibility with a completely unsubstantiated accusation. Poor debaters often resort to libel, and this is no exception.

Sorry to burst a big bubble, but there's nothing "dubious" about a gaming writer knowing all the pertinent details. But I'll take it as an unintentional compliment, as it means I know how to do my job well.

Try again, so far I'll give you a 1 for the effort :D Could have given you a 2 if you actually went to the trouble of chosing a decent nickname, this time around, gifthorse :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Murugan

That for profit business don't generally hire more employees for a project unless they believe in its ability to turn a greater profit as a result.

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Uh..in game development we hire/fire/shift around people all the time as most are working as a contract worker. It's nothing new and it means nothing. It's typical practice in this field.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Uh..in game development we hire/fire/shift around people all the time as most are working as a contract worker. It's nothing new and it means nothing. It's typical practice in this field.

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In game development companies that have a project they aren't confident in, tend to shift people *out* of that team (or out of the door), not in :D

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Uh..in game development we hire/fire/shift around people all the time as most are working as a contract worker. It's nothing new and it means nothing. It's typical practice in this field.

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Yea I don't know what your talking about, All four companies I have worked for never once hired a single person for a project they thought was going to fail. In fact they often pulled people off the project slowly to minimize the number of people they had to lay off when it did fail.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Yea I don't know what your talking about, All four companies I have worked for never once hired a single person for a project they thought was going to fail. In fact they often pulled people off the project slowly to minimize the number of people they had to lay off when it did fail.

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Where did I say I was talking about a project that's failing? Especially considering the OP's post was of a sarcastic nature? You must be confusing people's posts. I don't know which companies you worked at, but it's clearly not one that deals with contract workers and likely used stable employees.

Especially considering the project I've seen not doing well they cancelled it and shifted those members to the more AA/AAA title.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Where did I say I was talking about a project that's failing? Especially considering the OP's post was of a sarcastic nature?

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The fact is that hiring 11 employees all at the same time does mean something, that, at the very least for Square Enix' human resources department, this project isn't failing :D

Lmao! Everybody here is as paranoid and quick to jump the gun as after release, jesus the OP was being sarcastic, and you all jumped down his throat like he was calling hitler a jew or something.

On topic tho, this is SE the same company that was so sure this game was gonna be the revolution of MMO'S... and we all know how that went, who knows maybe they actually think they can pull it off, just to fall on their face again, i mean there is a FFXIII-2 comming out...

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Originally Posted by Abriael

The fact is that hiring 11 employees all at the same time does mean something, that, at the very least for Square Enix' human resources department, this project isn't failing :D

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This project is Failing! Everyday that they dont charge they are loosing money, every patch that passes and there is no content, the game is failing, now i'm not saying the game could not succeed, but right now all is doing is failing hard.

Aslong as they have a decent playerbase that are willing to love FF14 as though its their disabled child, I don't think they're failing that much. If all of a sudden a quarter of the playerbase stormed off, then they'd be failing. I think the next couple of patches will spruce up FF14 quite nicely.

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Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

Lmao! Everybody here is as paranoid and quick to jump the gun as after release, jesus the OP was being sarcastic, and you all jumped down his throat like he was calling hitler a jew or something.

On topic tho, this is SE the same company that was so sure this game was gonna be the revolution of MMO'S... and we all know how that went, who knows maybe they actually think they can pull it off, just to fall on their face again, i mean there is a FFXIII-2 comming out...

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You do know with the exception of FFVII that FFXIII sold just as well as any FF game, if not better than some, right? So it's logical why XIII-2 is being released.

The only issue XIV has from a business standpoint is it's turning almost no profit, but it's not a failed project as XIV is still not only in service but is continually updated, failed MMOs are long buried in the MMO graveyard.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

You do know with the exception of FFVII that FFXIII sold just as well as any FF game, if not better than some, right? So it's logical why XIII-2 is being released.

The only issue XIV has from a business standpoint is it's turning almost no profit, but it's not a failed project as XIV is still not only in service but is continually updated, failed MMOs are long buried in the MMO graveyard.

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The first FF Tittle in a next gen console sells like hotcakes, look at FFIV, FFVII, FFX, FFXIII all first FF tittles in their respective consoles and the one's that sold the most on their respective consoles, was IV better than VI ? Hell no, was X better than XII ? Hell no, anyways there is also the FF name thing, i personally bought FFXIII because it is FF, and since i loved FFXII(IMO the third best FF on their entire series) i bought it, and well lets say it is the only FF tittle i never finished, and returned.

How bad has the situation gotten when we argue about the meaning of 11 employees being hired into a huge organization. Who cares. I am sure SE had tons of employees during the 5 years they made FFXIV and look how amazing that did. Great they are hiring 11 more employees, are those guys going to go to my friends houses who quit the game and make them play again? No? Oh then I will say I am glad they continue to support FFXIV but do I feel like these 11 unnamed noobs are gonna be the FFXIV savior? No.

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Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

The first FF Tittle in a next gen console sells like hotcakes, look at FFIV, FFVII, FFX, FFXIII all first FF tittles in their respective consoles and the one's that sold the most on their respective consoles, was IV better than VI ? Hell no, was X better than XII ? Hell no, anyways there is also the FF name thing, i personally bought FFXIII because it is FF, and since i loved FFXII(IMO the third best FF on their entire series) i bought it, and well lets say it is the only FF tittle i never finished, and returned.

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Another thing that could be noted about these ground-breaking FF's is during their opening sequences it will sometimes list a 'project team' with a date. FFX was in development whilst they were still finishing off FF9. S.E just seem to choose to take longer on making some FF's good and not so much on others.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

give a look here :D
http://www.dualshockers.com/2011/09/...elopment-team/

TL-DR version, SE is hiring 11 new employees for tghe FFXIV team, and just as a juicy addition, several of those positions list "experience in console development" as a preferred trait :D

Chew on it :D

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Failing? Seems to me they are giving the FFXIV team some more members as it should have so they can get things faster. More than likely this is a sign of getting ready to prep PS3 launch down the line. Probably need some more teams or members to beef up teams.

Had you said "x, y and z were fired" then maybe that would be a sign of fail. More team members is positive.

They should hire me.

Pay me £10 an hour for 7 hours a day to not post in the forums.

This would benefit everyone immensely (b'.')b

someone said this on Zam. its technically true for all businesses.
SE is after all working on a few important projects atm, whoes to say FFXIV staff is actually getting larger?

although it would make sense to expand your team if your anticipating a large surge of new/returning players and want to train people before hand for that release. interesting though.

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Doesn't actually mean they are expanding the staff for the game (totally raining on the parade here), could mean they are moving the experienced higher paid staff onto other projects and taking cheaper unproven new staff on to fill their roles.

Depends what the jobs they are recruiting for and if they are already filled etc.
Could be a good or a bad sign honestly.

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

How bad has the situation gotten when we argue about the meaning of 11 employees being hired into a huge organization.

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Ahem, I always hate to burst a bubble (naaah, not really, I love it), but while SE is a huge organization, only a fraction of that organization is made of developers, and only a fraction of all those developers actually is part of the FFXIV team, as SE produces something like 10 or more titles at the same time.

Let's stay VERY optimistic and assume that the development team of FFXIV is 100 people strong (which is a definitely large team for a MMORPG), this means that with the new hirees the team has been increased in size by 10%, which is a rather big deal.

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Originally Posted by Vesper

Failing? Seems to me they are giving the FFXIV team some more members as it should have so they can get things faster. More than likely this is a sign of getting ready to prep PS3 launch down the line. Probably need some more teams or members to beef up teams.

Had you said "x, y and z were fired" then maybe that would be a sign of fail. More team members is positive.

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Someone else that needs to learn to detect sarcasm, I see :D

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

someone said this on Zam. its technically true for all businesses.
SE is after all working on a few important projects atm, whoes to say FFXIV staff is actually getting larger?

although it would make sense to expand your team if your anticipating a large surge of new/returning players and want to train people before hand for that release. interesting though.

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Ah, negative nancyness, it's lovely to see how it normally conflicts with realism.

This might have been a realistic option if we were talking about a couple people. But 11 people hired all at the same time mean only one thing, bolstering the ranks. When people get moved to different projects during in a company, it doesn't happen in large chunks.

Not surprised to see that it comes from that lair of hairy trolls called ZAM though. The average IQ in that place makes this forum look like MENSA :D

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Originally Posted by Avraym

You got owned by the posts below you troll.

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you wait till page nine to comment that? really? who is really the troll, if you look at the thread title, and then look at what I posted, it makes since.

Title of thread :
Thread: Final Fantasy XIV is failing so much... that they're hiring :D

What I posted:
.....ok and? they need more programers to add to the current team to get things done faster... your point?

so yeah, no one "owned" me

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Ah, negative nancyness, it's lovely to see how it normally conflicts with realism.

This might have been a realistic option if we were talking about a couple people. But 11 people hired all at the same time mean only one thing, bolstering the ranks. When people get moved to different projects during in a company, it doesn't happen in large chunks.

Not surprised to see that it comes from that lair of hairy trolls called ZAM though. The average IQ in that place makes this forum look like MENSA

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its true for the last two corporations i worked for... not sure how things are done where your from. if the team is quite large then 11 people is a very small number to note. if its a small team then obviously they are probably expanding.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Ahem, I always hate to burst a bubble (naaah, not really, I love it), but while SE is a huge organization, only a fraction of that organization is made of developers, and only a fraction of all those developers actually is part of the FFXIV team, as SE produces something like 10 or more titles at the same time.

Let's stay VERY optimistic and assume that the development team of FFXIV is 100 people strong (which is a definitely large team for a MMORPG), this means that with the new hirees the team has been increased in size by 10%, which is a rather big deal.

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Aww yeah baby just think if we would have had those extra 11 team members a year ago, maybe chocobos would have only taken 11 months to come out instead of 12 months!