Game is not very social to me wether in a FC or not

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Originally Posted by Caoihmin

Is it me, or is the most annoying "look at us" conversation when FC members ...

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Sometimes it's just plain laziness of switching chats. But that can be annoying - if FC chat is actually active.

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No wait, it's the "verified" female player exploiting ...

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Why we don't care about the gender. We help all members with what we can depending on resources available(that includes materia, crafting, etc...). As for clears other than a few players we know won't be raiding in the general population, you have to work on it just like everyone else.

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No wait, it's the incessant "I'm the offspring of the RNG gods" item linking ...

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If you get sometihng you were after I am happy for you. If you are just linking for the sake of linking a random drop then it's just annoying.

A FC is more than a glorified chat channel that everyone is treating it as. It's a collection of people. Interact with them, accept them for what they are, help each other, make those bonds between each other. And don't lose them because someone moves to a different FC, have a LS that you can invite them to along with other FCs/friends/people you meet in a PF that you would like to to see again etc...

Yes we should have a choice to socialize however I think some people can easily choose the anti social route on a whim because they already friends. Speaking from experience don't take your friends for granted because you never know when they'll be gone forever. A world of one is a hard one to escape. And all the 'I don't need anybody' walls you put up won't hold long.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

Yes we should have a choice to socialize however I think some people can easily choose the anti social route on a whim because they already friends. Speaking from experience don't take your friends for granted because you never know when they'll be gone forever. A world of one is a hard one to escape. And all the 'I don't need anybody' walls you put up won't hold long.

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*bow* A thousand likes for you and then some.

The game is as social as you make it. I enjoy socializing, and as a result I've built up a sizable friend list and multiple linkshells. You can't sit around waiting for people to approach you and ask to be friends, though-- you need to put in the effort to chat with others, offer to help out with things, etc. The more you initiate, the more you'll get in return.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

salty ppl

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Not all people are like that. Some realize that an FC is a team.

Maybe is a cultural thing. I treat chat like I treat travelling on the subway - if someone I don't know speaks to me, natural instinct is "omg someone spoke, could be a psycho, don't speak, don't make eye contact, pretend you haven't heard or seen them"

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

The game is as social as you make it.

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Absolutely! True in game and in life. If you want people to talk to you and to gain friends you can't wait for them to come to you.
However we do live in a different world to the one our parents grew up in. When my parents were my age you would go into a shop and everyone would know each other and you could talk to anyone. Now days, due to the internet and our preoccupation with technology we've become quite an isolated generation.

There seems to be this feeling among people today that if someone doesn't say hello to you then they don't like you, which isn't true.

It's a very difficult situation in where if one person feels like this and the other person feels the same, you have a deadlock. At some point though someone has to break the cycle and interact with another person. You become happier for it! No one should feel lonely in this world! :D

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Originally Posted by randysquirrel

Maybe is a cultural thing. I treat chat like I treat travelling on the subway - if someone I don't know speaks to me, natural instinct is "omg someone spoke, could be a psycho, don't speak, don't make eye contact, pretend you haven't heard or seen them"

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Whaaaaa!? But that's the fun of it! "Hmmm. Is this internet stranger a crazy person? I'm not sure... Let's find out... I'll just pretend I need to go take my slippers out of the toaster if things get awkward."

At least in FF you can't smell them.

Alternatively, just wave a hand and let them know you're not the player they're looking for.

I have trouble discussing the game in real life, I don't want to seen as some sort of hermit. I guess its no surprise that it doesn't feel like I've gained anything in RL since I've started playing. I'm not sure whether I'd be happier talking about the game to RL people, or just leaving it to the internet so that if I have to escape it its easier.

Any particular approach to making RL connections with the game? Or is it safer to not?

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I have trouble discussing the game in real life, I don't want to seen as some sort of hermit.

Any particular approach to making RL connections with the game? Or is it safer to not?

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Easy. When asked what pastimes or hobbies you enjoy, be honest. Loading up a game at the end of the day isn't any different than going home after work and throwing on Dancing with the Stars (except you're actually doing something). Haters gonna hate, and normal people will either "that's nice, dear" or "orly? tell me moar." My office knows I prefer gaming to watching TV in the evenings; a few IT people are ex wow players. Hell, my grandma asks how my internet games are going when we speak, and she has no clue what they even are. The only judgemental folks are the ones who never left high school and haven't learned just how little the world cares what you do in your off time.

Also, other players are humans, too. You're not exactly alone.

You have the duty finder making long term friendships impossible, super fast speed runs so no one can type in chat or get to known each other, and 90% of the game solo-able (leveling, mainstory) or faceroll (everything but coil) easy that no communication is require. What do you think will happen?

The only socialization you'll find is in LS' and FCs, and even that can be finicky where you have 20 people online and no one is talking.

Y'know what? Storytime:

A while ago, whilst working on my Animus Books I noticed I had to once again travel the length of Haukke Manor in order to obtain the soul of Lady Amandine for my Curtana. Having been in the manor an uncountable number of times before I somewhat dreaded travelling in there once again.

As I queue'd up in progress and hoped I'd be in a group at the boss (that never happens for me), I sat back and wondered what I could do to make doing Haukke interesting, because going in and doing another completely dead run would likely put me to sleep. That's when I decided just what I was going to do.

As the queue popped I typed up my initial introduction.

"Hello and Welcome to Haukke Manor. I will be your tour guide and tank for your mission, Wournsfeik Untawhasyn. If you notice me pulling any of the hazards into a side room do not hesitate to fall in line behind me to protect yourself."

I spent the dungeon acting as a real estate salesman, pretending various portions of the dungeon needed to be pointed out like how the cage in the dungeon basement was there for 'ambiance' and commenting on how nice a room could be for a child's bedroom. By the dungeon's end everybody was having a fantastic time and generally laughing together.

I specifically recall a quote from one of my unfortunate speed run killed victims as being 'Wournsfeik, you rock so hard.' sometime in the midst of that manor.

Had I not done that, I most likely would've fallen asleep. So if the game's not very social, it's on you to fix it if you consider it a problem.

@Wournsfeik I sometimes talk to people on my parties selected by DF. I sometimes for really quiet/dead players that don't want to tall cuz want to finish with the dungeon ASAP and in another times I find very social people. It would have been cool to party with you. Hakkue manor is one of my favorite dungeons

@dekal: Yeah, I get that a lot too. Some people treat their daily roulette as a job to grind out Poetics instead of taking the time to enjoy the game. I stay out of Roulette a lot these days just because of it.

But when I do go in, I try to do at least a little talking to 'test the waters' so to speak.

I understand not everyone is outgoing but sometimes to "Get Social" interactions you gave to "Be Social" yourself". Saying "Hi" is generic, vague and only warrants a "Hi" or "Hello" response. It's not the green light for anyone to start talking to you.

For my FC I speak even when no one is talking. I either go until I get a response or I actually ask someone about their day or themselves which actually opens dialogue. Me saying "Hi FC" again doesn't warrant someone adventuring to stop and hold a meaningful conversation.

Also if you are an officer or leader try to get your members to work together by bridging the dialogue between them. If someone needs a run go "Hey XXX! XYZ needs a run let's go help him!" it helps reduce the "Cliques" and get people generally familiar and comfortable with each other.

It's rather amusing to me how many people want to force social interaction on people.

But it would be nice if this game let you do more things together if you so choose. Not being able to do quests together, especially story quests is kind of annoying.

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

i rarely talk in dungeons cause ps4 player no keyboard using the virtual keyboard is such a chore... only time i do is if im the only 1 not first timer so try to give advice but its so slow using a controller to type ._.

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I'm not sure if this works since I don't use the PS4 version, but if FFXIV uses the standard PS4 keyboard you can input text with your smartphone keyboard using the Playstation App (assuming you have a smartphone).

I stopped talking dungeons since you can be kicked for it. Even in between fights. I feel awkward during silent runs but w/e. I just say hello and bye now.

I only found this out because I had a friend with me once and he said the option came up.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

The game is as social as you make it.

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Exactly. TBH you don't even really need to chat to be "social" in an MMO. Sometimes I walk past areas and I see some new 50s or just people struggling, like dying soon to an alex map mob or whatever I'd just throw them some heals or lend a helping hand before going off and you can see them feeling happy for your help.

If you're the kind who just stood there and watch them die and laugh at them and feeling happy about it then don't complain this game ain't social lel.

Games can still be designed to encourage socializing. This game is designed to do the opposite.

Group content, which is primarily done through DF for most people, is designed to have short and sweet groups that you'll never communicate with again and are unable to communicate with again.

Content outside DF is mostly soloable.

I'd have far more friends if cross server communication was possible, and it should be possible really considering this is supposed to be a modern MMO. Not allowing cross server communication seems like something that should be found in an ancient game.

For the record, cross server communication via in-game message system(and through POL) is possible in FFXI. I don't know why this isn't allowed in FFXIV, probably because of conflict with the JP servers.. who knows.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Exactly. TBH you don't even really need to chat to be "social" in an MMO. Sometimes I walk past areas and I see some new 50s or just people struggling, like dying soon to an alex map mob or whatever I'd just throw them some heals or lend a helping hand before going off and you can see them feeling happy for your help.

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Now we're gonna twist the definition around to make ourselves feel better about not communicating with others?

I played FFXI for 9 years from the very beginning and this game since 1.0... I was like some that came to 14 and expected ffxi v2. After awhile you accept the game for what it is and happy it wasn't just a rehash. Some dig the ffxi grind and other aspects of it and others were glad to get out of it especially what it became in the later years.

I found 11 to be very social and that included all the event related ls's like dynamis, sky, limbus and your social but I really miss xp pt's. Yeah it was a grind but could spend hours pt'ing not just with friends and ls members but other players from the server. There were plenty of chances to take a break and chat even for non voip. I felt there was less hate going around.. you were in a way held accountable since it wasn't cross server raids where you would never see them again. I guess it was like having server rep. .make of it what you will.

Fates don't make up for xp pt's and dungeons as great as they are in this game are just very unsociable unless you static. I have FC members who I've yet to see their characters lol. I get why Yoshi went the way he did with 2.0 and I'm grateful the game didn't die @ 1.0 but all dungeons is just a social killer. The FC house has some traffic but a lot go to their private homes. Ahh the memories of pt'ing until the am hours on the weekends in 11 and meeting a lot of good fun people and in a sense building quality, long term relationships that made the server that much better.

I honestly.. have hardly any long lasting good memories from this game.. some dungeon and crafting accomplishments I guess but nothing like I still have after all these years from 11. I guess that's another thing.. achievements and content/rewards (gear/tools/weapons) that lasts 4-6 months then is obsolete for the most part isn't very satisfying or I don't take much pride in anything in this game except some crafting achievements and my luminary rod from 1.0 which was made a joke soon after. (still bitter fishing was turned into some ridiculous time waster lol)

When you feel like you are forcing yourself to have fun.. that's a problem but I have Heaven preordered so we'll see. Oh and I have various ls's.. a fishing ls, a choc racing ls. Some died.. some are very quiet or nonresponsive. Mostly it seems people are just busy in dungeons all the time and of course they don't have time to chat.

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Originally Posted by lvicious

I played FFXI for 9 years from the very beginning and this game since 1.0... I was like some that came to 14 and expected ffxi v2. After awhile you accept the game for what it is and happy it wasn't just a rehash. Some dig the ffxi grind and other aspects of it and others were glad to get out of it especially what it became in the later years.

I found 11 to be very social and that included all the event related ls's like dynamis, sky, limbus and your social but I really miss xp pt's. Yeah it was a grind but could spend hours pt'ing not just with friends and ls members but other players from the server. There were plenty of chances to take a break and chat even for non voip. I felt there was less hate going around.. you were in a way held accountable since it wasn't cross server raids where you would never see them again. I guess it was like having server rep. .make of it what you will.

Fates don't make up for xp pt's and dungeons as great as they are in this game are just very unsociable unless you static. I have FC members who I've yet to see their characters lol. I get why Yoshi went the way he did with 2.0 and I'm grateful the game didn't die @ 1.0 but all dungeons is just a social killer. The FC house has some traffic but a lot go to their private homes. Ahh the memories of pt'ing until the am hours on the weekends in 11 and meeting a lot of good fun people and in a sense building quality, long term relationships that made the server that much better.

I honestly.. have hardly any good memories from this game.. some dungeon and crafting accomplishments I guess but nothing like I still have after all these years from 11. I guess that's another thing.. achievements and content that lasts 4-6 months then is obsolete for the most part isn't very satisfying or I don't take much pride in anything in this game except some crafting achievements and my luminary rod from 1.0 which was made a joke soon after. (still bitter fishing was turned into some ridiculous time waster lol)

When you feel like you are forcing yourself to have fun.. that's a problem but I have Heaven preordered so we'll see.

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This. So much this, my words exactly. 8 man raid content makes small statics with occasional pick ups. Dyna, sky abyssea required people. if you didn't make it, there were always others as long as you had a few dedicated tanks. FATES, yes i could team up but then i miss my duty que potential for more exp, or i could have my chocobo but same thing. lv grind pts are a thing of 1.0 and coils requires teams that know what there doing and know the people they do it with. I love XIV and have no plan on quitting but id love for heavensward to have a little more of the xi feel and a little less of 4/8man man dungeon spam grind. In XI I had pts I stayed in as long as 21 hours. Not that I still want or have time for this mind you but I most definitely felt a higher level of companionship with my friends and servermates there.

Lets take down the duty finder there problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Dererk

Lets take down the duty finder there problem solved.

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No, not solved. You do that and suddenly you have new players hopelessly shouting in the world or on PF trying to find people who would be willing to clear story content with them. But everyone's in Heavensward and there's suddenly no incentives to go back and do said content, so the newbies get stuck.

Even without DF the quick-run mentality would still exist because the few who would return to do the content would want it done fast and the newbies want to rush to catch up. It's not the method that's the problem, it's the people themselves. I've had some great solo DF cues where the people were very chatty. I've had others where you could hear a pin drop.

I agree we should be able to friend and communicate with people we meet in DF across servers. It's dumb we can't. But in most MMOs I've played you're not going to get the kind of social experience the OP seems to want in a PUG, plain and simple.

Social fun! #ffxi I miss the open world. Speed Belt!!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...0/ffxi/2-1.jpg

I kinda wish we had something else than Coil in XIV.

Maybe Yoshi could give us something similar what XI had, like Dynamis?

Highly unlikely. He has his vision and it's not going to change drastically out of the dungeon mode. I'd love to play again before the expansion but gardening, dungeons, chicken racing, fishing and on and on is just repetitive, easy boring content but I'll be playing again come the expansion cause I can't help myself.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

Now we're gonna twist the definition around to make ourselves feel better about not communicating with others?

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Where did you even get that idea?

I'm just saying things you can do to be a social-able person in the game. Is chatting the only thing to express your sociability?

If you had just jumped into this thread without prior knowledge of what have been said and randomly quoting me, then please note that the post was with reference to a salty poster a few pages back who can't feel happy for people in the game and complains that the game ain't social.

Yes chatting is my only way. Non verbal gestures do not work. Bigger problem is the high chance of being ignored, which leads to this:

I've turned off my LS/FC chat because I get ignored in them anyway, so tells and say are pretty much the only forms of chatting I have right now. Can get very lonely as I can go days at a time not saying anything.

Now by design, this game doesn't support socializing well, nor do these forums. Maybe you all should ask Yoshida what's up with that.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

Yes chatting is my only way. Non verbal gestures do not work. Bigger problem is the high chance of being ignored, which leads to this:

I've turned off my LS/FC chat because I get ignored in them anyway, so tells and say are pretty much the only forms of chatting I have right now. Can get very lonely as I can go days at a time not saying anything.

Now by design, this game doesn't support socializing well, nor do these forums. Maybe you all should ask Yoshida what's up with that.

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If you're having difficulty being heard in your FC or LS, it might be time to find a new social group. Talking into a channel and expecting a reply every time is not entirely realistic. It might just be you have little in common with the group and they don't know how to respond to your messages. Gating yourself off by ignoring back is only going to make your experience worse.

I've been fortunate with the LS/FC I've joined in that they have a good sense of humor and common goals we share. It wasn't always like this, I had to find this for myself.

Not everyone is going to accept you and you shouldn't assume they will. Friendships are made by mutual likeness, they are not just people that you want to talk too and hope to be talked back.

The game isn't designed around being a very social experience in the first place. Modern MMOs tend to cater towards a "convenient" playstyle rather than a social one, so your average player is left with not much to show by the time they're 50. It's an incredibly flawed way to design a MMO, but it's the ironic reality we have.

I havent be in a FC since i started the game on 2013.

I havent be in FC since i started the game in 2013. Everyone looks busy around and when you ask for help or for some roulette on ls nobody say anything.

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Originally Posted by Teuciont

The game isn't designed around being a very social experience in the first place. Modern MMOs tend to cater towards a "convenient" playstyle rather than a social one, so your average player is left with not much to show by the time they're 50. It's an incredibly flawed way to design a MMO, but it's the ironic reality we have.

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How so? In what way have they made this game less social able? You as a player have a chat log, the ability to talk to others in several different ways. The forums and FC forums enable players to keep in touch. I'm not sure what all the flaws are that you mention.

Just get an FC with TS/Mumble. My guild's talking there daily. Anyway, you kinda have to look for it and not expect it to come to you as already mentioned.

Not the game's fault, just player mentality these days.

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Originally Posted by Koenignovi

How so? In what way have they made this game less social able? You as a player have a chat log, the ability to talk to others in several different ways. The forums and FC forums enable players to keep in touch. I'm not sure what all the flaws are that you mention.

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Non cross server communication, easily soloable content outside DF (which enforces non cross server communication), zerg encouraging events that end fast with no reason to keep the group together (GW2 was awful for this at launch, hunts in FFXIV are similar), inconvenience of PF vs DF, to name a few.

If they wanted to have DF, they should have really made cross server communication possible. Having DF while not having cross server communication strongly, and rightfully makes a lot of people feel like talking to people in it isn't worth it. The alternative, PF, would be great if it was the only way to get groups. People would have to be much more social.

Having both really discourages socializing on two fronts. People use DF for most things, and can't communicate cross server. If they could, it would encourage more socializing. If people only had PF to use, they'd be more social, but DF draws most people towards it instead.

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Originally Posted by Koenignovi

How so? In what way have they made this game less social able? You as a player have a chat log, the ability to talk to others in several different ways. The forums and FC forums enable players to keep in touch. I'm not sure what all the flaws are that you mention.

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Exactly. I was in a PF last night that took about fifteen minutes to fill. We all chatted it up in the meantime while we were waiting.

My experience has been that most people are happy to chat if someone starts talking. If everyone just sits around and waits for someone else to take the first step, of course you're going to have a silent group. There's nothing stopping anyone from saying "Hi, how are things going?" and getting a conversation rolling.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

Exactly. I was in a PF last night that took about fifteen minutes to fill. We all chatted it up in the meantime while we were waiting.

My experience has been that most people are happy to chat if someone starts talking. If everyone just sits around and waits for someone else to take the first step, of course you're going to have a silent group. There's nothing stopping anyone from saying "Hi, how are things going?" and getting a conversation rolling.

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This! And when you enter into a dungeon, ask what is expected of you. That always sparks convo. Don't be afraid to step outside your comfort zone. Be the first person to speak up.

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Originally Posted by Adire

Non cross server communication, easily soloable content outside DF (which enforces non cross server communication), zerg encouraging events that end fast with no reason to keep the group together (GW2 was awful for this at launch, hunts in FFXIV are similar), inconvenience of PF vs DF, to name a few.

If they wanted to have DF, they should have really made cross server communication possible. Having DF while not having cross server communication strongly, and rightfully makes a lot of people feel like talking to people in it isn't worth it. The alternative, PF, would be great if it was the only way to get groups. People would have to be much more social.

Having both really discourages socializing on two fronts. People use DF for most things, and can't communicate cross server. If they could, it would encourage more socializing. If people only had PF to use, they'd be more social, but DF draws most people towards it instead.

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So you bring up two interesting items. One, world hunts that enforce zerg style combat and leave people to wonder what happened without a word. Two, DF hinders people ability to talk to each over cross server.

I don't know what server you play on(actually I do, Balmung), but I see relays for hunts all over the place. If I didn't know any better, that means people are talking. I have a couple LSs specifically for hunts and both of them are chatter boxes when hunting is in prime time. Even if the strats are not worth talking about all the time, there are some fights that require people to let others know what's going on. Meehas is one that comes to mind with silences.

As for DF, this can not be helped. They added this feature as to allow others to jump right in without the need of a party. Yes, a lot of people will go in a lone. But I know from personal experience there are players that jump into it together, be it a complete party or just a few. You can still talk to those people in the run, which I see often. If you like them a lot, go find them, which I see from time to time.

You make it out to be a flaw, but I see them as gateways to another channel of socializing. You can't expect that to come to you everytime. You have to make that happen for yourself.