Next relic update in 2.38.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Novus was my favorite part. Multiple ways to get alexandrite.

People puy too much emphasis on the secondaries. Yes 44crit 31 det is best for a lot of jobs. But if you don't have 15mil do ~25 Acc 25 crit 25 det. 14 mil cheaper and ACC never hurts especially with 2.4 on the horizon.

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Yeah, Novus was pretty good once hunts were introduced and myth dropped from everything.

The books sounded fun at first, but it became a chore toward the end, when you realize they are all pretty much the same book. They didn't even try to mix things up, nope, the same 10 mobs in castrum, same 10 kobolds in the mines, etc.

I'm just going to settle for the games 3rd best weapon. The Solidery one.

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Originally Posted by ValkyrieL

It won't be ivl 115, the s*it storm that bring bring on the forums will be too much.
this would make Novus BiS, better than coil since u get to pick the stats.
My guess is the appearance will change, to be honest I want different looks on novus, warrior relic is just horrendous lol.

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And you forgot how the Zenith => Atma generated how much QQs over here?

Either way you will get complains. But unfortunately, the number of people with HA weapons to complain are much lesser than the number of Novus owners who will complain about how much they have to do for a cosmetic update. You get the point.

Nonetheless, who knows what happens. In any case if Novus upgrades its IL, it will be merely a 3-4 weeks thing before 2.4 hits

i gave up after 3 atmas im not wasting away my life for something that will take me months to get

The new relic weapon will be i120 in 2.38 and will better than High Allagan. Get over it. People act like it'll take one day to get it. The new Raid weapon will be be i135 and the next relic weapon will be i130 by 2.48 at the latest if the trend continues.

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Originally Posted by Kamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri

The new relic weapon will be i120 in 2.38 and will better than High Allagan.

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This needs a little correction. It will be only better IF we get stats upgrades. If it's like Zenith -> Atma, itl won't change anything and it won't make a difference. So no, it wouldn't be better than High Allagan. And we don't know yet about that info, so anything said here is pure speculation.

It'd be glorious if the weapon did increase to i120, but the next part of the quest came after Alisaie's Resolve to make the filthy casuals finish T9...

Oh, the tears would be delicious.

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I don't care what kind of new challenge they force upon us on the next Relic storyline but I don't want FATES and neither ATMAS in it!

The next step isn't too difficult to figure out what it *could* be.

So far what has it included?
1)Fates
2)Killing mobs out in the wild and more fates
3)Treasure maps and Materia
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So what's left? That's your answer. They probably won't repeat a step over again. Whatever it is, it probably won't make you pick up a skill you don't have (even if it might help), so that rules out fishing for example. I really doubt it would include instanced raid content due to the amount of trouble that would cause for the instance servers (remember when everyone was farming auram vale to level and it was laggy to even step foot in there?).

Things that are left (off the top of my head):
1)Demimateria
2)Notorious Monsters (I.E "the hunt")
3)Grand Company Stuff
4)Beastman tribe dailies / Rep grinds

That's by no means comprehensive.

As far as a upgrade and what ilvl it will be. Have we had any upgrades so far that didn't change the ilvl? Nope. Do we have reason to believe the ilvl won't increase? It's probably not going higher than High Allagan weapons though as they have stated they actually want people to go fight current raids and not just refuse to go. Even if it was the same ilvl, you could still get High Allagan weapons a whole lot faster if you could get turn 9 on farm. Of course, then you only have a 1 in 9 shot of actually getting the one you want.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

The next step isn't too difficult to figure out what it *could* be.

So far what has it included?
1)Fates
2)Killing mobs out in the wild and more fates
3)Treasure maps and Materia
.....

So what's left? That's your answer. They probably won't repeat a step over again. Whatever it is, it probably won't make you pick up a skill you don't have (even if it might help), so that rules out fishing for example. I really doubt it would include instanced raid content due to the amount of trouble that would cause for the instance servers (remember when everyone was farming auram vale to level and it was laggy to even step foot in there?).

Things that are left (off the top of my head):
1)Demimateria
2)Notorious Monsters (I.E "the hunt")
3)Grand Company Stuff
4)Beastman tribe dailies / Rep grinds

That's by no means comprehensive.

As far as a upgrade and what ilvl it will be. Have we had any upgrades so far that didn't change the ilvl? Nope. Do we have reason to believe the ilvl won't increase? It's probably not going higher than High Allagan weapons though as they have stated they actually want people to go fight current raids and not just refuse to go. Even if it was the same ilvl, you could still get High Allagan weapons a whole lot faster if you could get turn 9 on farm. Of course, then you only have a 1 in 9 shot of actually getting the one you want.

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The funniest part is that people are assuming that the next "part of the story" automatically means upgrade. I mean, sure, it COULD mean that, but it doesn't mean it will be. It could just be prep for the next upgrade, not the upgrade itself.

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Originally Posted by ispano

The funniest part is that people are assuming that the next "part of the story" automatically means upgrade. I mean, sure, it COULD mean that, but it doesn't mean it will be. It could just be prep for the next upgrade, not the upgrade itself.

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So far every single story step has been a sort of upgrade, I don't think it's that crazy to assume this one could be as well.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

So far every single story step has been a sort of upgrade, I don't think it's that crazy to assume this one could be as well.

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Considering the upgrades have never put it at or above the level of what are supposed to be the best weapons at that point, yeah it's at least a little crazy to just assume it.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

So what's left? That's your answer. They probably won't repeat a step over again.

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The Zodiak weapon questline has always got to do with something that have a meaning and relation to weapon enhancement
=> Atma upgrade requires you to slay crap load of monsters from fates to obtain 12 essences to enhance the weapons
=> Animus upgrade requires you to refer to ancient records and attempt to perform similar deeds done by the Zodiac twelves, which is killing similar monsters the twelves have slayed.
=> In Novus questline, the NPC told you that your weapon is very much powered up and the only way forward is to use a special method of materia infusion using a sphere scroll, and light bending Alexndrite, harnessing the power of battle-class materias into the weapon.

What would the next step be? I don't think it is Demi-materia because it is totally about crafting. Novus make use of materia but they are battle-class materias, different from demi-materia which have no meaning in battle terms.

I can't really tell what is the next most sensible story to the next upgrade, but there is certainly one that made sense story-wise but would be quite a hell to do.
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Spiritbond your Novus weapon to 100% - creating such a strong bond with your weapon that is essential to further its growth.

And guess what? IL110 gears only spiritbind in SCoB.

GGWP if this is what comes next.

I made my Novus the week right before Patch 2.3 and so far it is only 28% spiritbonded

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

I made my Novus the week right before Patch 2.2 and so far it is only 28% spiritbonded

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I think you mean before 2.3

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Originally Posted by ispano

I think you mean before 2.3

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Yes you're right, thanks for the correction.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Spiritbond your Novus weapon to 100% - creating such a strong bond with your weapon that is essential to further its growth.

And guess what? IL110 gears only spiritbind in SCoB.

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Hmm, now that's an interesting idea. It would certainly be a "grind" running SCOB over and over and over to SB the Novus. And we know that the lockout will be lifted in 2.4, which makes that more possible (I'm sure everyone remembers the endless T2 groups).

On the other hand, the relic upgrade path has always seemed like an alternative to raiding. So requiring that would lead to a lot of complaining in the forums.

For a change... ;)

Whatever they choose, I'm eager to get working on the next step!

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Yes you're right, thanks for the correction.

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kill trash in t6, go out, kill trash again, over and over again, done

and the best part is it can only be done after 2.4 release so ppl dont have to cry someone could get a better weapon pre 2.4

but well, I dont think they'll implement it this way, some ppl already acquired 50%+, they want all ppl to start at zero, either they have to reset the % for everyone or they'll add something else

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

kill trash in t6, go out, kill trash again, over and over again, done

and the best part is it can only be done after 2.4 release so ppl dont have to cry someone could get a better weapon pre 2.4

but well, I dont think they'll implement it this way, some ppl already acquired 50%+, they want all ppl to start at zero, either they have to reset the % for everyone or they'll add something else

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I think everyone should cut the argument over whether the next upgrade will have an IL (and of course, actual stats increase) or not. It is getting old, it is getting lame. Not targeting at you of course, but in general.

Like I said, anyone can complain about every shit in this game. I couldn't care for that. If there is an IL upgrade you can have ppl crying it is better than HA weapon, if it is an atma-like cosmetic change you can have another bunch of ppl crying doing so much for a cosmetic upgrade. This is really getting silly, wasting time on something that can never satisfy both side of the camp.

And anyways I have also said it won't be impossible. The sec stat cost rule was already broken with Novus. Back then I was with the camp that strongly believe that the stat cost rule holds with Novus, but I was proven wrong. I am not surprised if any sort of rule gets broken again.

In any case I don't recall T6 and T8 trash actually gives spiritbond. Previously I was trying to bind some of my old i90 crafts that I made that didn't get to 100% before I purchased the soldiery weapon or HA drops, I don't recall T6 and T8 trash give me any bond at all. T7 trash certainly does, but really pathetic level.

Even if you were to do it in 2.4, it would take you crap load of runs to bind an IL110 weapon to 100%, and if SB to 100% is required, it won't be the sole criteria. Probably getting Novus to 100% SB and ask you to find something else for some sort of infusion thing (noted that Atma/Animus/Novus always require you to obtain something or some essence of sort etc to enhance it), so again, won't be a simple matter.

I was surprised to hear it is 2.38 already. Novus is 110 and the HA weapon is 110. I thought a better weapon would be part of 2.4 when the last Coil installments comes. Either it will be more secondary stats or a grind taking long enough that the Hardcore players have their 3rd Coil weapon quicker lol. If you think it can't get worse, look forward to their plans. I bet it can get worse haha.

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

I was surprised to hear it is 2.38 already. Novus is 110 and the HA weapon is 110. I thought a better weapon would be part of 2.4 when the last Coil installments comes. Either it will be more secondary stats or a grind taking long enough that the Hardcore players have their 3rd Coil weapon quicker lol. If you think it can't get worse, look forward to their plans. I bet it can get worse haha.

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The High Alagan weapons are iLvL 115. Whereas the Novus is indeed 110. The patch in 2.38 is likely to bring the Novus weapon up to an iLvL 115 stage as well.

And here I am trying to find motivation to finish my second atma book.

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Originally Posted by Fornix

The High Alagan weapons are iLvL 115. Whereas the Novus is indeed 110. The patch in 2.38 is likely to bring the Novus weapon up to an iLvL 115 stage as well.

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Likely? More like a possibility, but I wouldn't say likely.

I hope that they raise the item level to 115 so everyone can then beat turn 9. (lol)

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Originally Posted by ispano

I know how much people want Relics to be on par or better than end game weapons, but they have already confirmed they won't be.

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They said this in ffxi as well and the quested weapons ended up being top gun in most situations.

There is a way to put relics on par or better then the raid weapons. It's simple and I am sure that most raiders would be fine with the suggestion.

As it currently stands casuals can get the relics that are behind the HA. All you do is add an item that drops of the final encounter that upgrades the relic to 115. Then you have to beat the final dungeon to get the final form.

How does it work for the casual? How will they continue the quest?

Once the new content comes out they make a quest that gives them the item they would have received for beating turn 9. This way the can still progress but, still not have the top weapon w/o beating the new content.

Casuals will always have to wait for new content to get a weapon that is on par with end game unless, they beat the end game content.

This also gives the hard core gamers a customizable weapon and something to push for. So its a win win

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Originally Posted by Kanzaki0

Well they said the next part of the Zodiac quest after Novus was gonna be the change to its new look. So no stat change to not surpass High Allagan yet.

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I hope you're right. Tired of glamouring DRG weapon after each relic quest step just to avoid looking ridiculous - ugliest weapon I have seen so far in this game. SE could just start adding weapons that look normal, not like plastic Star Wars weapon replicas in all the rainbow colours.

just finished my first atma book. after 3 months. woo

do you had a 3 month break?

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

do you had a 3 month break?

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lazy /10char

Why do they keep putting out new Relic upgrades so soon? Some people it takes months to just get atma weapon, likely hood of people having Novus by now is still fairly low i would think.
And what content currently actually requires a higher level weapon? None really atm

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Originally Posted by Maero

Why do they keep putting out new Relic upgrades so soon? Some people it takes months to just get atma weapon, likely hood of people having Novus by now is still fairly low i would think.
And what content currently actually requires a higher level weapon? None really atm

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2.4 does :rolleyes:

thats what the new upgrade is made for

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Originally Posted by Coatl

I don't think the next relic quest will involve desynths. None of the Zenith, Atma, Animus and Novus upgrades needed you to be a crafter, so I don't see why this one would be.

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But you also not considering the fact the devs consider the relic the more casual and unlike the weathered and allagan do not need to be limited to battle. Also you underestimate the crafter's contribution to the novus as alot of the materia people used were converted from crafted gear and spiritbonding. I imagine we will be on the path to the new model as per an off handed comment about curtana going into a new weapon like excalibur which if the original quest requiring the I55 weapon melded is example it would not be to far out of expectation that the i70 and battlecraft demimateria will be required.

The issue appears with them dumping the custom stats or keeping them.

Yes but we are a little ways from 2.4, i guess because the upgrade will take that long to get, lol
Someone also mentionned the new ilv and it will be better then HA, i thought for sure history wise ha was always bis?
Makes no difference to me, i love my blm soldiery weapon and more then likely there will be new Primal weapons and such better then the current Novus

I also think the next relic stage will involve spiritbinding, but I highly doubt it could be it because casuals would never touch the second coil.

Spirit bonding is a decent guess. Once 2.4 comes out there will be plenty of content to SB on.

Nobody could finish until 2.4 but you could get a decent start.

I never use my novus in coil but I'm gonna start just in case.

Kill B rank hunt mobs untill 30 Amta's drop. Then use those Amta's to summon a viscous beast that must be killed solo and will involved a 7 minute battle of survival.
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Next part :

"Adventurer! I know how to further increase your relic's power!! But first, we must alter your relic's form to contain that power. Here's what I need you to collect :"

Infused Titan Heart
Windswept Garuda Feather
Molten Ifrit Horn
Razor Edged Leviathan Tail Spike
Handful of Ramuh's Beard

(All items are 5% random drop from extreme primals).

"Adventurer! Thanks for bringing me those items. Now to infuse these on to your current relic, you must survive your encounter with Nael. Only megaflare has the power to infuse everything.

(Death in the encounter will cause you to fail.)

Enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

why nobody asks him to make it easier/less boring?

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Working as intented.

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Originally Posted by Sakasa

But you also not considering the fact the devs consider the relic the more casual

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You also don't consider the fact the devs might want to make the relic more than a casual alternative later in the game.

By the time people waste here in the forums complaining about ATMA or waiting that SE makes it easier they could have done a FATE and got shard.

Or have done their FATEs and still come on to complain anyway. Or complain while FATE farming.