It's become a chore to even log on to the game

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Originally Posted by Mihael_Longclaw

This is exactly my point, they should scrap it in it's entirety. It makes no sense whatsoever killing Ifrit with Fire based spells.

Stop using ARR and 1.0 as examples, use earlier FF games and basically any RPG with elemental affinities and they handle it with much more finesse than this game

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And to further that, no we didn't all just "spam thunder". Elemental bonus damage actually did considerably more damage on right mobs - even though stone was MND based for example, as a THM I could still cast it on Flies for more damage than my thunder 2 (lv 30 at the time soloing leves at Cedarwood). The wheel was a bit screwy though, as Fire was weak to Wind but beat Water (seriously wtf?) but at least it was there in classic RPG fashion.

As for "taking a break", I'm more than a little pissed having played since the original beta, dumped a good chunk of time and money into the game (not to mention having countless debates with people who'd written the game off not to abandon it, that YP really was going to save it) and was ecstatic to hear about the legacy bonuses (esp. the life time discount as I'd paid for XI for about 9 years running as hoping XIV would take its place as something new and better).

That's why I made that other thread about feeling betrayed - buyer's remorse, if you will. All that hope and good will only to end up with (pretty) mediocrity? Sorry but that's just unacceptable. SE is one of the few developers left out there known for taking risks (it's what Squaresoft was built on) and delivering masterpieces so to see XIV turn into yet another rehash of WoW-inspired MMOs that have flooded the market for the last decade is both depressing and insulting. It's bad enough Kitase went grossly over budget with Crystalis Novalis and Wada allowed garbage like All The Bravest to be published (and rushed Tanaka & Komoto to release the game too early and then using them as scapegoats) ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

I have nothing against YP personally - in fact I applaud the guy for his resolve and dedication. But the community needs to take a stand for quality control now, because the horrors of power creep are already bearing down on us and no one here wants to see this game wind up another flash in the pan like DoC, Conan, SWToR etc etc.

To the haters: If FFXI was such a bad game (and it had many faults), how is it then that it's been SE's most successful entry in the series, won multiple awards and kept a healthy 500k+ subs for over 7 years as a 2002 PS2 game? Or that every MMO since WoW has been a dismal failure, having to switch from a subscription based model to F2P within a year or 2. The sooner the industry realizes that WoW was a freak accident and not something that can be easily (if ever) replicated the better. Even Blizzard likely realized this when they halted Project Titan to completely restart it.

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Originally Posted by Mihael_Longclaw

The world design is bland, it feels like cardboard instead of a real living breathing world.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=0GfYMEfMLnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=LQYoSyqyVbo
Would that be better?

the 1.0 layout was defintly better, worst mistake was making this game ps3 compatible in fact its a mistake alot of gaming companys keep making since the PS4 was announced & its a way better platform to work towards.

Thank you for making me aware of this game. (Bless)
Looks like what XI would have been with modern graphics and what XIV SHOULD have been.
If this game is ever released in English I'm def going to try it. Looks amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzfDt-ZjesA

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Originally Posted by Jacien

I canceled my sub, but I'm gonna stay here responding to every single post in my thread which is obviously meant to rile up players.

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Would you rather me call you all idiots in my first post and leave the thread and let you guys beat eachother up about off topic discussions? I think it's common courtesy to hear everyone out, what they think of the game, and what changes they think it could strive for.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Okay, so if they remade blackmage and just had it do elemental damage without the umbral
That's what they're trying to avoid -_-

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I think you missed the point where I said balance, there are ways to make it balanced many other games can do it, just because ARR can't is no excuse.


Give every class/job something that could help in this matter but is not needed, but if you want full viability you need diversity.

Give Bard Voice of the (Wind, Fire, Earth, Lightning, Water, Ice) they increase elemental defense by 20%, but reduce the opposing defense by 25%
This could add for some interesting fights with enemies of all elements and the Bard quickly shooting these off

Expand on Monks fist of attacks

Give Summoner enfeeblements that boost your weapon with elemental affinities, or multiply the natural elemental abilities of your weapon (or save this for Red Mage, even better) and let the Egis (or scrap them for summons) be more elemtally tuned

Black Mage give a full roster of elemental attacks, as well as non elemental

Add a skill or ability for Dragoons, to put things on the tip of their spear, like light it on fire then attacks like Dragonfire Dive have 1.5x the fire damage,



If they added elemental gear sets as well it could open up alot of things, such as changing gearsets mid-dungeon with no penalties, this could eventually open up changing class/job mid dungeon too, opening up repairs and gathering nodes in dungeon, but then as soon as you get to the boss gate, you must have (1 Tank/1 Healer/2 DDs) for DF, and any party you want in premades.

Have content doable with only unaspected gearsets, but going full bore with that elemental being the most optimal approach.

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Originally Posted by Mihael_Longclaw

It's not your game either, to make changes that many people can enjoy without fringing on other peoples enjoyment is key for this game.
Stop being a hypocrite

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You should learn what "hypocrite" means before using it.
Also, the difference between you and me, is that I don't expect the game to change based on my needs.
You, on the other hand, don't care about the others at all. The quote I used previously was all about you talking about your own needs and expectations, and how FF XIV should be for you.

If you dislike Disney Land, will you send them an angry letter saying that you're entitled to change their park in order for you to enjoy it? Well, I guess you can do it, but it doesn't mean that you are the voice of the truth. You're just expressing your opinion. And your opinion worth as much as any opinion in this world.

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You should learn what "hypocrite" means before using it.
Also, the difference between you and me, is that I don't expect the game to change based on my needs.
You, on the other hand, don't care about the others at all. The quote I used previously was all about you talking about your own needs and expectations, and how FF XIV should be for you.

If you dislike Disney Land, will you send them an angry letter saying that you're entitled to change their park in order for you to enjoy it? Well, I guess you can do it, but it doesn't mean that you are the voice of the truth. You're just expressing your opinion. And your opinion worth as much as any opinion in this world.

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Did I say it any other way? If you enjoy shallow games such as this with no depth, I applaud you, to me it's not even palattable, that isn't to say alot of the things in this game don't interest me, they do, if they didn't I'd have my leave and not make such posts.

I'm not making angry remarks at all, or asking for to be like FFXIV 1.0 or even FF11, I haven't played either so I can't say.
What I am asking, are for things you'd EXPECT from a Final Fantasy game

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Did I say it any other way? If you enjoy shallow games such as this with no depth, I applaud you, to me it's not even palattable, that isn't to say alot of the things in this gam,e don't interest me.

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Yes, I enjoy FF XIV: ARR right now. No, I don't like every aspect of it, but it's fine.
And what? Are you mad? Jealous? You can't enjoy it to the point where you canceled your sub and left the game while posting on the forums how blend this game is to you. So you are attacking me on the basis that I can like this game, and you can't. Congratz, you discovered human opinions and tastes.

After reading all your posts here, you basically want FF XIV: A ream re-reborn. Quit being so naive, this won't happen until your voice become a part of the majority. Currently, you are in the minority.
If this game feels so tasteless to you in its core design, the chances that you will never be satisfied are really, really high.

So, instead of wasting you time trying to enforce a major shift to this game, you probably should try to find something that suit your taste in the first place.

Dude, calm down. I haven't attacked you personally, stop getting so defensive, I'm saying if you enjoy the game, that is a good thing.
I'm saying, I, personally, and not just my self, many others find some glaring flaws in an otherwise good game. The only major change I'd like to see is to combat, just make it more dynamic and less set-rotations, elemental affinities would be grand. I'm not asking for the game to be torn apart, alot of the things can still grow.

If you read all my posts, you'd know that the only change I've talked about, is to combat which I and many others think is bland.
There are ways to balance it, "subtle depth" which this game does not have.

If a random nobody could step in, I would just say, while cool, an elemental wheel would be...bad in a game designed like this, where progress and the like moves upward and not horizontally.

Basically, using the examples you just used, if Bards had a song that upped the resistance of elements, I highly doubt they would allow it to stack, therefore you will only need one Bard.

Then you'll probably end up in a stupid situation where a cutting edge raid party will only employ the necessary number of tanks (be it 1 or 2), 1 healer (good luck guy), maybe 1 bard (for the resistance), then stack the black mages (or whatever else gets a nice damage advantage). They'd be laughed at and mocked until the time it works, then suddenly it may be the optimal method of doing things.

Basically, in a game XIV is designed for, something like an elemental wheel or things like it could not work.

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Basically, in a game XIV is designed for, something like an elemental wheel or things like it could not work.

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Except it already has worked in FFXIV. A lot of people preferred V1.23's combat system which featured an elemental wheel.

You may have meant to say ARR rather than XIV.

I didn't and likely won't read this thread beyond the op. All I'll say is that I'm sorry you feel that way. I appreciate that you're trying to be constructive and I imagine that the devs will, to some small extent at least, take your criticism in mind and weigh it against many other factors that I couldn't even begin to know. I wish I had more to say than that. I'm one of the folks who are quite happy with the game and like it how it is and how it's going. In a way, I'm sorry that my happiness in this case would hinder yours. I do hope that the devs can find something that can be done to balance it out for all of us and maybe make you like this game again, but if not? That's cool. I understand. Go do something that makes you happy and that you enjoy doing. That's the whole point of these things, right?

Take care out there!

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Except it already has worked in FFXIV. A lot of people preferred V1.23's combat system which featured an elemental wheel.

You may have meant to say ARR rather than XIV.

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Yes, I did mean ARR. Was not aware I had to specify. Lesson learned.

But yes, how ARR is designed, it does not work. I can only assume 1.23 was still based on the original XIV, just with a different combat system. There it probably did work, but the game was already tailored in a format where it could work.

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Yes, I did mean ARR. Was not aware I had to specify. Lesson learned.

But yes, how ARR is designed, it does not work. I can only assume 1.23 was still based on the original XIV, just with a different combat system. There it probably did work, but the game was already tailored in a format where it could work.

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The main differences in the combat systems are thatVersion 2 gives you your TP up front, AA is just 'white damage', you spam abilities faster at lower TP cost and there's no animation lock.

In version 1, you built your TP through auto-attack, the second and third moves in a combo cost no TP and there was animation lock.

Things like the Ifrit fight are identical between the two versions (except in Version 1, Ifrit used moves semi-randomly from his moveset rather than in a set pattern like now).

I don't see any particular reason why the elemental wheel wasn't game-breaking then, but it would be now.

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Thank you for the positive post :) I personally firmly believe there doesn't need to be sides taken, such as common ones "hardcore vs casual" that's not what a game is, a game is a mixture of many other small parts coming together to make an enjoyable and or memorable experience

A game can appeal to lots of different people simply because there's so many different means of expression in the video game medium.

Some people want a game they can log on, that's simple and can just have fun, some want a game with a bit more depth.

I don't think it's so black and white though, there's certainly a middleground, I just want S.E to acknowledge it.

& I am enjoying myself, it's nice to hear from others on these forums, and there's other games and hobbies to keep me busy in my free time :)

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The main differences in the combat systems are thatVersion 2 gives you your TP up front, AA is just 'white damage', you spam abilities faster at lower TP cost and there's no animation lock.

In version 1, you built your TP through auto-attack, the second and third moves in a combo cost no TP and there was animation lock.

Things like the Ifrit fight are identical between the two versions (except in Version 1, Ifrit used moves semi-randomly from his moveset rather than in a set pattern like now).

I don't see any particular reason why the elemental wheel wasn't game-breaking then, but it would be now.

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Again, I believe it is the difference in the game in general. From what I understand, and keep in mind it is very little and I could very well be wrong, Legacy was designed to be far more horizontal than ARR is. Again, I could be wrong, but based on reviews and what other people have said, you leveled up separate classes far more simply than it is now. If that means you didn't have to do a quest to get the other job, you had more cross class abilities, was there difference in how items equipped (meaning I could start off as a cnj, but equip those nice tank gloves if I manage to pick them up) I can't answer that. I did not play Legacy. I only know about ARR and what I have seen work and not worked over the past decade.

Rambled for a bit, but i feel that was necessary. In any case, Legacy was probably designed to closer to how XI functioned, just with a more casual lean. If what I assume is correct, that would mean that by level cap, all characters could, in theory, obtain elemental skills from other players and been all fine and dandy. ARR was designed much much further away from XI and more or less, locked classes down harder. Any level cap character may not have the elemental skills and what not.

This is bad, not because the encounter can't be designed to take that into account, but players in these type of games (vertical) tend to be the worst kind of people. A small elemental bonus may not seem like much, but you can bet all the gold in Ul'dah that they will stack certain jobs for certain encounters. And that's not fun for the people being left out.

Another potential issue is the nature of how enemies resisting certain elements work. That shouldn't be a problem in FF because every blm will have access to other magics, but it is a potential problem that could crop up at some point.

Is it possible? Most defiantly. Can it work? Depends on the game and its community.

(I talk a lot...)

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Nah that's reasonable, don't worry about rambling, especially with me giving long paragraphs on each page :P

I personally believe, and this is just me, they should scrap how combat and jobs work, like I said implement an elemental wheel (I think it's a staple for an FF game IMO) and add more natural ways for classes/jobs to support eachother, much like how they changed WAR and PLD to be more symbiotic.

The game is vertical, but elemental affinities, set bonuses, and special effects might add the horizontal progression lots would dearly like to see while still retaining a vertical progression for those without the time.

As it stands, most classes/jobs save for White Mage and to a lesser degree Scholar have very solid/ standard rotations, when you go to a new fight, it's unlikely you'd change up your rotations besides maybe removing DoTs from Monk/DRG rotations for example. In my honest opinion, that's very dull, everything starts to bleed together.

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Again, I believe it is the difference in the game in general. From what I understand, and keep in mind it is very little and I could very well be wrong, Legacy was designed to be far more horizontal than ARR is. Again, I could be wrong, but based on reviews and what other people have said, you leveled up separate classes far more simply than it is now. If that means you didn't have to do a quest to get the other job, you had more cross class abilities, was there difference in how items equipped (meaning I could start off as a cnj, but equip those nice tank gloves if I manage to pick them up) I can't answer that. I did not play Legacy. I only know about ARR and what I have seen work and not worked over the past decade.

Rambled for a bit, but i feel that was necessary. In any case, Legacy was probably designed to closer to how XI functioned, just with a more casual lean. If what I assume is correct, that would mean that by level cap, all characters could, in theory, obtain elemental skills from other players and been all fine and dandy. ARR was designed much much further away from XI and more or less, locked classes down harder. Any level cap character may not have the elemental skills and what not.

This is bad, not because the encounter can't be designed to take that into account, but players in these type of games (vertical) tend to be the worst kind of people. A small elemental bonus may not seem like much, but you can bet all the gold in Ul'dah that they will stack certain jobs for certain encounters. And that's not fun for the people being left out.

Another potential issue is the nature of how enemies resisting certain elements work. That shouldn't be a problem in FF because every blm will have access to other magics, but it is a potential problem that could crop up at some point.

Is it possible? Most defiantly. Can it work? Depends on the game and its community.

(I talk a lot...)

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The Armoury/Job system was similar to what it is now. Classes could set a lot of abilities from each other, but jobs had a more limited list from their supporting classes (though more variety than we have now).

As for gear, the all classes can wear all gear thing was something from early version 1 (pre 1.18) and you could even wear the gear at any level. However, you didn't get the stat bonuses from them if you weren't on the favoured class. These items received the prefix 'dated' and the recipes for these were removed (though I kept a couple of dated gearsets, so I can walk around as a BLM in full plate mail, still).

I don't think the gear progression method is much of an issue here, a horizontal approach can still be tuned just as hard as a vertical.

The trick to balancing around mob weaknesses and strengths is to either include mutiple enemy types within any given event with different resistances or make events part of a chain (like Garuda > Titan > Ifrit Ex) where certain roles excel in certain fights. This is, to an extent, true already; melee are seen as a hindrance in Garuda Ex due to WW, BLM are seen as a hindrance in Titan Ex due to the constant movement.

+This game has just gotten worse and worse as the patches continue to on roll out and nothing is ever fixed, more and more things continue to break, the content is crap.
+Why anyone would pay for this game and it's monthly sub when SE isn't doing anything "great" or "spectacular" with it?
+Seems like everyday is another day for "maintenance", that doesn't get anything done or fixed within the game, that along with RMT announcements like no one has noticed them spamming the crap out of them... :c
+Yet they still spam even though SE "claims" they're doing something about them..
+Over all I'm really disappointed with the state of the game and SE, they both seem to be failing at this point.
+Future patches looked horrible :c please SE go back to school and learn about MMOs all over again, cause this is just crap!

They could have the elemental wheel and just make sure that different elements are represented.

Personally, one of the things I always found interesting about the blm and whm was that those elements (or whatever) were kind of always ok to use with few exceptions. Dark magic would work on most anything... which is why I thought the blm was so cool. Dark magic being a special and unique type of magic that blms could use- like whm could use white magic.

This is one thing I don't like about the current blm- I find it boring and the same spells used over and over- particularly, the transition to blm didn't open up a spellbook of dark magic. I was really hoping to start seeing more skills as a blm that used this taboo and interesting magic form.

There's no reason that other classes such as sum couldn't have multiple elements, while the blm used dark magic... it might mean that those other classes had more spells/skills, but one type would be optimal, while the blm primarily stuck to dark magic... that seems reasonable to me. Afterall, isn't that the lure of the blm path?

This is Not Final Fantasy, this is what the unskilled player base has decided the direction this game should head. No Hope for this game as the direction its heading, i guess as a Final fantasy fan, i will stay with it until it fails miserably and maybe Next MMO they make will be a final fantasy and not a generic World of Tera Gears fantasy clone.

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They could have the elemental wheel and just make sure that different elements are represented.

Personally, one of the things I always found interesting about the blm and whm was that those elements (or whatever) were kind of always ok to use with few exceptions. Dark magic would work on most anything... which is why I thought the blm was so cool. Dark magic being a special and unique type of magic that blms could use- like whm could use white magic.

This is one thing I don't like about the current blm- I find it boring and the same spells used over and over- particularly, the transition to blm didn't open up a spellbook of dark magic. I was really hoping to start seeing more skills as a blm that used this taboo and interesting magic form.

There's no reason that other classes such as sum couldn't have multiple elements, while the blm used dark magic... it might mean that those other classes had more spells/skills, but one type would be optimal, while the blm primarily stuck to dark magic... that seems reasonable to me. Afterall, isn't that the lure of the blm path?

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In which game did BM have dark Magic? As far as I know BM is an Elementalist in every FF (I didn't Play all of them so I could be wrong at that)

Chores suck. Definitely don't pay a monthly subscription to do them.

hum.. not gonna read the whole thread but.... didnt op canceled his sub? if so why is he still lingering around here? he should have moved on to other games by now.... or is he back playing now?

also yeah... i really liked the game so far... even main quest... the thing i didnt like is not having much background on the legates? and stuff... there could have been some background on 1.0 but.. i didnt play that.. so.... i guess there was enough bits to estabilish the relationship between them.

I'm able to find a reason to log in every day. This game just isn't for everyone.

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I'm able to find a reason to log in every day. This game just isn't for everyone.

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Good to hear! ^-^ Cause I myself can't. :c It sickens me to log in everyday now, to see that nothing has changed and we still have the same crappy game, getting crappier and crappier as these horrible patches continue to release. Nothing is fixed, they continue to make the game "easier" *of course for them casuals*. I really don't see a reason to sub to this trash anymore, when it seems to be getting worse and worse as time goes on.

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hum.. not gonna read the whole thread but.... didnt op canceled his sub? if so why is he still lingering around here? he should have moved on to other games by now.... or is he back playing now?

also yeah... i really liked the game so far... even main quest... the thing i didnt like is not having much background on the legates? and stuff... there could have been some background on 1.0 but.. i didnt play that.. so.... i guess there was enough bits to estabilish the relationship between them.

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I don't need to be paying for the game to show interest in it. Mostly it's potential, if it'll eventually change to something I would personally enjoy.

^ XI actually handled that brilliantly. They introduced a mechanic on NMs where if you kept spamming spells they eventually grew more resistant (it would wear off over time) it discouraged "mana burning" for the most part except for the odd fight where it was possible for a group of BLMs to just 1-shot or 2-shot a boss.

Also if BRD had more useful songs, you'd likely still see 2 or more BRD in a group. Every issue you brought up can be balanced, if the devs want to take the time to address them.

There's nothing in the game to suggest the elemental wheel wouldn't work. If anything just the opposite with all the emphasis put on Primals and crystals etc. We just need more intelligent ways of giving people access to elemental damage for situations that call for it while at the same time putting in measures to curb abuse/job discrimination (which is already an issue in the game anyhow).

More elemental weapons and armor would be a nice start, but also ALC should be able to make potions that can be used to temporarily enchant weapons with elemental damage. I also really like the idea of BLM having access to all 6 elements again, and I think this would be the PERFECT case to add Mystic Knight into the game as they finally did in XI. Then we'd have a nice anti-mage tank that specializes in enchanting weapons (I prefer the classic FF5 version where you straight up put the spell on your weapon but that'd likely be too OP in an MMO) that can "fix" whatever elemental property is missing for dps, while also buff the party against elemental damage (making it highly desireable for primals) and of course, it would take up a Tank slot which should help alleviate the current tank shortage due to the fact that it doubles as a support role.

I agree with the OPs and other's complaints.. but I also know that a couple of patches or an expansion can change things radically.

As a FF fan since FF1 NES, I'm committed to making this game the best it can be.

FFXIV does many things right:

• Graphics - top-notch for an MMO. Can't wait for DX11 version and hopefully 3d Stereoscopic support at some point.
• Environment - stunning work, I don't even get tired of walking through starting areas (like the Central Shroud)
• Storyline/Lore - Engaging, and it has some great moments (Ultima vs Primals). As it stands now, there is a lot of potential in it. Though often, the veneer of lore gets completely displaced by the game's mechanics and fan-service.
• Villains/NPCs - Great designs, I think Nael was perhaps the best. Hopefully we'll see him again
• Art Direction - With Akihiko Yoshida at the helm, the look of the game is absolutely top-notch. There is visual interest in nearly every aspect of the game.
• Music - Fantastic. I just wish I could hear more of it (repeat in zones).
• Mob design - Sure, the devs copy-pasted a crap-ton of FFXI/FFXII/FFXIII mobs into the game, but thankfully they only used the best ones. We have superb new models for FF staples like Cactuar, Zu, Primals, Bombs, Iron Giants, Dragons, Magic Pots, Gilgamesh, Moogles, etc. etc.
• Side Story - Basically Hidibrand - what's not to love?
• Housing - (shock!) With a reasonable price-tag, this will be a great system.
• Crafting & Gathering - Both are fun and engaging. They just need endgame relevance (which, according to the live letter, they'll get in 2.2)
• Character Customization - The options might not be enough for people who want to clone themselves in-game, but I really like how you can make great FF-esque chars with the system.
• Final Fantasy - yeah, this game is overflowing with FF flavor, though it doesn't feel as elegantly woven into the world's lore as it is in other FF games.

However, ARR falls short on many aspects (some critical) as well:

• Immersion - when contrasted to FFXI or any offline FF game, ARR's lore appears to take a back-seat to cheap fan-service or blatent and ham-fisted game mechanics. (Why do bosses battle players in rooms with fixtures that have no function but to negate/diminish their ultimate attacks?? eg. Garuda|Rocks, Teratotaur|anti-doom platforms, King Behemoth|Comets) Why aren't mobs weak to certain types of attacks and strong vs others? The battle system and gear is vanilla, but the fan-service, mechanics and vfx are over-the-top. I'd like to see more balance between the two.
• Exploration - Everything is tightly packed and has safety rails - there's no danger outside of dungeons and virtually no sense of discovery in the game. I hope future zones break out into the wilderness more and challenge players to discover off-map secrets and force them to evade powerful open-world mobs.
• Gear - effectively has a single stat: iLvl. No real choices other than cosmetic.
• Progression - Vertical gear system + patch content nerf = working towards endgame gear pointless. Just wait 3-months, it will get nerfed and you can spend far less time/stress trying to obtain it.
• Rewards - No substantial long-term or extremely difficult-to-obtain rewards (see pre-Abyssea FFXI relic quests). Hardcore players can rapidly achieve everything they want which fosters boredom/elitist attitudes.
• Summoners - The Egi are like some sort cruel joke considering the epic history of this iconic job.
• Limit Breaks - Each Job should have unique animations. (Note: this could help fix Summoner job a bit. When SMN uses LB: a random Primal shows up and uses a move based on LB lvl)
• Roles - Where are support roles? Limiting combat to Tank/DPS/Healer severely hamstrings the future of the Job system.
• Armory System - Without endgame support for Classes, what is the point of them? Why wasn't the Armory system scrapped in favor of a Job-only system? I hope Classes get some real love soon... because there is real potential there, it just needs to be realized.
• Materia - Far too limiting to be really useful. There's great potential there, but it's just not realized.
• Party Coordination - Everyone just spams rotations and has tunnel-vision on their own role. There are some battles that have introduced Tank-swapping and trading debuffs, but those are tied to specific battles. A FFXI style combo-magic burst system would be nice.
• Elemental Wheel - (or lack thereof) see immersion. A good solution might be to have subsets of spells (eg instead of Fire II, Thunder II, Blizzard II, etc. spells.. BLM would get "Black Magic II" [Fire, Thunder, Blizzard]. Instead of "Summon Titan-egi", SMN would get "Summon Egi" [Titan, Garuda, Ifrit]. This allows for Elemental DPS to have many more tools at their disposal while keeping the overall skill amounts on part with other jobs. Support Jobs with "En-magic I/II/III/etc" could help buff Melee DPS with elemental attacks as well.)
• Difficulty - Memorization and Grinding isn't difficulty, it's tedium. Boss Fights need more variety, randomness, and reactionary abilities to them (with internal cooldowns, of course). I understand that consistent patterns allow for more punishing mechanics (eg Titan HM/EX), but we need to have more difficulty based on split-second decision making (Siren & Moogle Battles have a bit of this) rather than just dancing to a set tune. ('Monster Hunter' - Which Yoshi-P plays, is a great example on how to do boss battles)

As I stated above, most everything in the second category could be fixed within a few patches. The foundation is solid, it just needs to be properly built on.

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I want everything my way and no other way is 'correct'

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You just want a game that you've pretty much made, nothing SE could do would sate your desires.

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I enjoy changing peoples quotes to better facilitate my discussions

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I can do it too! Stay classy forums

The ARR combat just lack of FINAL FANTASY soul....

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I can do it too!

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Hey, I'm just saying the truth. You don't want to play this game. You want a different game. Instead of mewling about how you want this game to fit your desires, go make one or find one that suits your tastes is all I'm trying to say.

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Hey, I'm just saying the truth. You don't want to play this game. You want a different game. Instead of mewling about how you want this game to fit your desires, go make one or find one that suits your tastes is all I'm trying to say.

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That's simply not true, the only change I said should be implemented was one that has been in *every single Final Fantasy game to date* one that not only adds dynamics on a per-battle basis, but just makes sense. (Elemental Affinities)

Mind not making false quotes from me either?

I said multiple times there's a balance to be found amonst many different playstyles.

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That's simply not true, the only change I said should be implemented was one that has been in *every single Final Fantasy game to date* one that not only adds dynamics on a per-battle basis, but just makes sense. (Elemental Affinities)

Mind not making false quotes from me either?

I said multiple times there's a balance to be found amonst many different playstyles.

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And like I said, they took out elemental weaknesses to balance it. By all means, spell it out here how you would 'fix' what the devs couldn't without essentially scrapping the game as is and prevent situations where class stacking blackmages wouldn't be the smartest way to go.

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And like I said, they took out elemental weaknesses to balance it. By all means, spell it out here how you would 'fix' what the devs couldn't without essentially scrapping the game as is and prevent situations where class stacking blackmages wouldn't be the smartest way to go.

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I actually gave some examples of how they could do this...

Give each class a piece of the puzzle - Summoners have their summons, Black Mages have spells, Bard has their songs, Monk has the 'Fists of', & I'm positive Dragoon could be implemented as well.

All together they'd do better against elemental foes, but without, it's not gamebreaking, but you would be at a disadvantage.
This could not only inspire more diversity, but also more use of Party Finder and local parties


Edit: I hate to break it to you, but most of the games balance has been by fan complaints and not by the developers.
My main job WAR, being a fine example.

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I actually gave some examples of how they could do this...

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No, no you didn't. Complaining about stuff and saying 'but this way is better because I like it more!' isn't saying how you would 'fix' it.

Unless you mean this gem:

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This is exactly my point, they should scrap it in it's entirety.

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Yeahhhh. You just want a different game.

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No, no you didn't. Complaining about stuff and saying 'but this way is better because I like it more!' isn't saying how you would 'fix' it.

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I kinda did, I think on Page 9?

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No, no you didn't. Complaining about stuff and saying 'but this way is better because I like it more!' isn't saying how you would 'fix' it.

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Yeahhhh. You just want a different game.

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Notice how I gave those very same examples? The elemental affinities in this game *DO* need scraping, they're there for no reason whatsoever, beating a dead horse with this one, but, you should not be able to kill Ifrit with fire spells.

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I kinda did, I think on Page 9?

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By all means, spell it out here how you would 'fix' what the devs couldn't without essentially scrapping the game as is and prevent situations where class stacking blackmages wouldn't be the smartest way to go.

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Yeah... /tenchar