Weeky Lockout for turn 1-5 removed? they shagged us

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Originally Posted by Fendred

You do realize you are playing a social game, and status is part of that, right? They aren't elitist. They are a group of people with a passion for tackling hard content, and that requires them to organize into groups and find ways to recognize one another. The gear thus becomes a symbol of status within their group. They don't hate or look down on you.

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The fact that they want something in return for their pre-nerf kills, isn't that being an elitist already? new players are still coming into this game, it just happened that YOU or these group of people you are referring to came in first.

Nobody deserves a special treatment, when everyone is paying the same amount of sub-fee. No one, I repeat, no one forced you to tackle down everything before it gets nerf. This was announced way long ago, it was expected by everyone.

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Originally Posted by Laziel

Anyone else think they shagged the players and guilds that spent 1-2 months working towards getting turn 1-5 down and then they removed lockouts to give the casual players a chance to farm stuff on a plate while those who worked hard on t5 only given the chance to do 1 week on t5 for loot.

Good job saying F***U to the fcs and guilds that worked it. No point in having guilds in this game anymore its all duty finder

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No offense, but according to your achievements you just beat turn 5 a week ago, get over it? If you wanted to farm it more then beat it early instead of waiting close to the next content patch?

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

Pft. Achievements, yeah sure... Truth is, you just want to stay an "Elitist" as much as possible. LOL!

Welp, no wonder, this is the only MMO I've seen that's recording a "world first / server first" on everything.

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Actually I haven't seen anyone recording server/world firsts...in fact this is the only game I've played where I honestly couldn't even name you who got the firsts, even on my own server.
Other games I've played usually rewarded players for getting server firsts with special items.

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Originally Posted by Kirschey

Actually I haven't seen anyone recording server/world firsts...in fact this is the only game I've played where I honestly couldn't even name you who got the firsts, even on my own server.
Other games I've played usually rewarded players for getting server firsts with special items.

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Seems we're having a misunderstanding here, what I really meant was the players. Just look around youtube or dig down threads here, and you'll see a "World First / Server First" tag on it.

I've been on some games who rewards players who gets server firsts as well, but those are just for the sake of their event. Dragon Nest usually holds an event whenever there's a new Dragon raid coming, rewarding a cash prize and some exclusive titles for the first 5 or say first 1 to clear it.

Probably, a better solution just to satisfy the e-peens of these people is for SE to hold on an ingame event as well which will reward them a special item. Isn't that a win-win situation? Giving the players something to work for.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

Probably, a better solution just to satisfy the e-peens of these people is for SE to hold on an ingame event as well which will reward them a special item. Isn't that a win-win situation? Giving the players something to work for.

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I'd be down with that. o-ob

This is never going to be an MMO where you feel satisfied or accomplished by defeating all of the content. FF14 just isn't that type of MMO. All you need to do is look at the mechanics, zero (gear or stat) customization, GCD, red outlined ae's to see that the devs couldn't create difficult enough content if they wanted to. Hell you don't even need a vague or better understanding of all classes/job skills to excel in this game.

You want to know something even worse? This game will never be more difficult than it was upon release, it just is not that type of MMO.

Sorry.

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Originally Posted by DannyNobuser

another legacy hater lol you guys never quit

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I'm assuming you're one of those spoon fed players I was referring to earlier.

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Originally Posted by Fendred

Ffxi, Eve online, Maple Story, Star Wars Galaxies, etc...
I'm not saying they're better in their entirety, as mmos have improved on a lot of mechanics, but they did present alternative forms of progression to WoW. Also, I think Ultima Online, the first mmo, didn't do what WoWdid either.

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Maple Story lol, thats a game for 12 year olds

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Originally Posted by Fendred

You do realize you are playing a social game, and status is part of that, right? They aren't elitist. They are a group of people with a passion for tackling hard content, and that requires them to organize into groups and find ways to recognize one another. The gear thus becomes a symbol of status within their group. They don't hate or look down on you.

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Simple, do T6-9 and get the new symbol of status, you can't expect Allagan weapons to be the ultimate symbol of status for all eternity do you?

I have this nagging feeling that players who whine about T1-5 in 2.2 are actually players afraid of the new tougher content in 2.2 and as a result had little confidence that they will be able to tackle them early (before the content gets on farm mode) thus desperately holds on to their current achievements and wishes that others can't catch up to them so that they could continue to be part of a pseudo "elite club"

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Originally Posted by Psychosamm

People bitch about loot lockouts

Loot lockout gets removed due to newer content

People bitch about loot lockout being removed.

Wat.

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Damn took the words outta my mouth.. WTF people? I welcome removal of any and all lock outs even on new content. I pay to play not pay to wait. FU if you think im wrong. Imagine You pay to watch a Movie at the theater only to be told the movie will not play today.. you must wait a week because the person sitting next to you just watched a movie yesterday.

this is OP right now

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/To+the+...90_3357245.gif

sorry, the word "shagged" made me do it

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Originally Posted by Fendred

Ffxi, Eve online, Maple Story, Star Wars Galaxies, etc...

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Of those, I have only played FFXI. It had several YEARS to build it's horizontal progression. In fact, it took it 3 expansions to offer you real choice of gear and not only "the-best-gear vs the-gear-I-can-afford", which is not...a choice.

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Originally Posted by ReiszRie

Simple, do T6-9 and get the new symbol of status, you can't expect Allagan weapons to be the ultimate symbol of status for all eternity do you?

I have this nagging feeling that players who whine about T1-5 in 2.2 are actually players afraid of the new tougher content in 2.2 and as a result had little confidence that they will be able to tackle them early (before the content gets on farm mode) thus desperately holds on to their current achievements and wishes that others can't catch up to them so that they could continue to be part of a pseudo "elite club"

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Exactly how i feel about this. Those same elite players that want the "status" can simply do the same thing for T6-9

I found the title of this absolutely hilarious. I don't even care about the post, just that title had me in tears.

OK, read OP.

It gives us players some bragging rights, I guess. "Back in my day, T1-5 was a weekly lockout, we went weeks without loot...". Plus, while new players are busy doing T1-5, we'll have T6-9 to keep us busy.


I've been doing Coil for months now, probably been running 1-4 weekly to get drops for my SMN for 2 months, and each time something I needed dropped (which has been about 2-3x) it was literally stolen from people who didn't need it (i.e a BLM who was already BIS and just took it because he knew I needed it. I still remember your name, if you're reading this.) That's a whole other story, I guess. Wound is still sore. All the times I've ran it, and not had my stuff drop, or have had it "stolen", kinda all went to waste but I really don't care because 1) it's a game, 2) I have T6-9 to look forward to and gear up in, 3) it's a game. I don't feel like we've been "shagged" at all. Hell, I enjoyed doing Coil. It's a run dungeon. I'm sure the FCs who got world first/etc and worked oh so very hard on everything enjoyed it too - or else they wouldn't have done it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

The fact that they want something in return for their pre-nerf kills, isn't that being an elitist already? new players are still coming into this game, it just happened that YOU or these group of people you are referring to came in first.

Nobody deserves a special treatment, when everyone is paying the same amount of sub-fee. No one, I repeat, no one forced you to tackle down everything before it gets nerf. This was announced way long ago, it was expected by everyone.

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Rewarding players more for completing the same task on a higher difficulty is NOT special treatment! That is how games with different levels of difficulty work. They took on a greater challenge for what they got. What is the point of taking something on a higher difficulty if the reward is the same? No intelligently made game does this. On top of which the devs have taken that chance away from you.

Also, you do have access to the content. Access does not imply that you should be able to complete the encounter without difficulty. Yes, there should be an easier version so people with less time can see the content, but not at the cost of an entire difficulty level of play that we already payed for. Nor should the players on easy mode be rewarded the same thing as those who did it hard mode. at least give the hard mode a version of the gear that looks different.And, repeating my last statement, they have forever STRIPPED YOU of access to the content you payed for by replacing the encounter with a watered down version. You no longer have access to the original fight.

I don't mind this change at all. As part of a group that likes to push content as hard as possible, people get burnt out after awhile. The lockouts taken off will just mean, to me, less time to gear up a replacement when someone gets burnt out.

Out content will always get reworked when new comes around. It is all about the community progressing. Sure my static and I spent forever grinding and learning coil, but that was for those that could challenge new content and spend more than a few hrs a day on the game. Those that can barely spend any time on the game need a way to progress or they get bored, so what do you do? Simple, you let those that were on the "top" end get their shiny gear wear it around "semi" exclusively for a few months, then with an update you change that content since it is no longer "end game" and let us face it 1-5 was never actually meant to be end game, so that those that have limited time can still progress through the game. So when the new coil expansion comes out players that again can dedicate time to it will again be top end with the shiny gear that will again in the future that content will be reworked.