So the "no BRD" shouts have begun, thanks Yoshi P

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Originally Posted by MMONSTER

if they are not testing it to start with and making necessary adjustments then am I to believe we are STILL in a beta testing phase.

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But you do know, that every single mmorpg out there is changend and adjusted over its entire developement-time? So what you basically just said is, that every mmorpg is just a beta testing phase. Thats so....deep.

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Originally Posted by Momita

BRD are support class, not dps. u need just for song.

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Not since the release of 2.0 it has been a strong dps class. Now if you want to give them back their aoe healing songs for hp and the ability to cast cure and raise in battle than yes I can see them more a support class. Right now besides a tp or mana song as buffs a smn can do more since they can battle rez and cast physic to cure people.

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Originally Posted by WHS

Not since the release of 2.0 it has been a strong dps class. Now if you want to give them back their aoe healing songs for hp and the ability to cast cure and raise in battle than yes I can see them more a support class. Right now besides a tp or mana song as buffs a smn can do more since they can battle rez and cast physic to cure people.

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+virus (trait included)
+eye for eye
+ debuffs (heavy , healing debuff ...)


but yeah BRD is support :)

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Originally Posted by MMONSTER

It doesn't make sense to patch it, its not like they don't test these jobs out with all available cross class abilities, gear, etc.... so why the changes, it would be almost as dumb as saying, "PLD defense is too high, they are not taking enough damage when fighting enemies" seriously, they decided how much base dmg to give when they created the game, they decide n everything, if they are not testing it to start with and making necessary adjustments then am I to believe we are STILL in a beta testing phase.

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I cannot educate you in how a game company develops and manages an MMORPG game. Suffices to say this is how MMORPG games are worked. SE decided this is what is best and while we can give input on these changes which I am sure they appreciate it, they are here to stay until they decide something else will work better.

I always try to maximize diversity in any party I'm in, prioritizing everything else. In my ideal party, that'd look like WAR, PLD, WHM, SCH, BLM/SMN, BRD, LNC, MNK. This not only maximizes general stat buffs that a party gets, but also grants a bonus to receiving Level 2/3 LBs and I personally believe that using a wide array of different abilities is far superior to having a bunch of the same class using the same skills over and over. There is potency in diversity.

Brd was as intended and for all intensive purooses a support class. Your lb is a heal ffs. Get on with it.

That's odd people are always asking for bards for stuff on Hyperion:

WP
Coil T1, T2, T5
Garuda Extreme
Ifrit Extreme

The only time I've seen no bard shouts are when they want to make sure they have a DD LB aside from SMN+BLM's already in their party. A lot of people running Titan Hards like to make sure they have 2 melee for LB in case one is gaol'd (not that they should need it but they do this).

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

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I hope when we eventually get an expansion, that they raise the dungeon party cap to 5 and add support Jobs to the game. Bard, Dancer, Red Mage, ect.

You're idea sounds nice in your head, but with our current system that version of Bard would be forced into the Healing roll. A Healer who could not only heal but buff damage and mana regeneration would throw off the current balance of healing endgame 4 man dungeons. That would cause needless drama.

Ranger would be cool though, but since they’re adding Musketeer someday, it may be awhile before we see this class added.

People are still shouting? lol

In my server, alot of people still bring at least one brd If not two Either for unconditional damage, songs, or silence.

Really? I keep seeing the "BLM and BRD only" shouts, except for wanting maybe one melee to LB for some raid content.

I don't agree with the nerf at all, even though it wasnt game breaking. Well ROD was. I have run across people who go "oh its a brd we can't do it." Those people are stupid. That made me want to change until went into haukke with 2 brds and tore the place up. Was fun

Again i think its more toward the LB if anything, but I would like to point out. That people bitched about brds, cause they couldn't get a group, but when a brd can't get a group they just say suck it up.

It's funny how people contradict themselves. Pre nerf, 1 melee was brought for lb. Ppl complained that they only had 1 secured spot for melee dps in a party. Post nerf, people are telling bards to deal with it having only 1 secured slot in party. This forum community amuses me.

only time I've ever seen "no BRD" in a shout was when someone was forming a party for CT and wanted to get one of each class.

...I'd imagine the only time literally any person ever has seen "no BRD" is something similar (there's already a bard present and he doesn't want to share loot)

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Originally Posted by KV-1

Well that quote doesn't confirm Bard becoming a true support class, it just says the support role will be available eventually. For all we know SE's plan could be to just add totally new jobs as support roles and leave the current ones alone.

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Yes half of my statement was an assumption. The reason it isn't (In my opinion) is because duty finder queues are tough as they are and if they hybrid role was added with only 1 type of hybrid class, then it would be terribly long queues. Once another Hybrid role is added I am sure (again my opinion) Bard will be switched to Hybrid role. The reason I am saying support, is because that is what it does. It provides buffs, no healing, just buffs as its "hybrid" counter part.

And asking an MMO not to change seems silly when they have a life span of 10 years and we already saw drastic changes to Warrior. Games change and you need to learn to adapt.

"Bard's aren't there for DPS. They are there for support."

Oh okay, guess I shouldn't be attacking at all then.

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Originally Posted by Ryihito

"Bard's aren't there for DPS. They are there for support."

Oh okay, guess I shouldn't be attacking at all then.

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Just like Paladins and warriors don't attack they just Tank.

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

That's true but even thought hey queued up as dps they had a healer LB. it seemed pretty clear they didn't have a clear picture what brds were supposed to be. But at its design it's supposed to be a support class before a DD.

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Looks to me like a DD with support, not a support with some DD (ie cleric stance whm or sch).

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

simple solution

turn bard into this :
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...utaru-Bard.jpg

and finally give us :
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...hra-Ranger.jpg

it's so simple, really.
even a game from 2001 was able to pull it off and we even got archer as a class already, so the skills are all there already!

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the ABSOLUTE most logical thing

In the future you'll have musketeer, and you can be the long rang projectile DPS job you want to be. Right now you are a Bard, there for support. Yes, you deal damage, but offer utilities other DPS cannot. Therefore it is only truly logical you do not perform as well as them at damage dealing.

The topic is moot. This is what they did. They are not reverting back.

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Originally Posted by MMONSTER

the ABSOLUTE most logical thing

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Making Bard useless in anything that is not large groups while making it unappealing to play (which means getting parties together would take infinitely longer) and making a job that does what Bard used to do is not logical.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Making Bard useless in anything that is not large groups while making it unappealing to play (which means getting parties together would take infinitely longer) and making a job that does what Bard used to do is not logical.

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LOL, because no1 ever wanted Bards in ff11....

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Originally Posted by MMONSTER

because no one ever wanted to play Bards in ff11.

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Fixed. There's a reason the term Princess Bard existed in FFXI, you know.

I remember having to go /anon almost fulltime on Bard in FFXI because of the /tell spam I got back in the day. They were virtually required in some content. *shudder* I wonder if it's still like that now...

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Fixed. There's a reason the term Princess Bard existed in FFXI, you know.

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never heard the term, sorry

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Originally Posted by MMONSTER

never heard the term, sorry

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A princess bard is someone who knew that BRD was an unpopular job and used their job's rarity for political leverage in linkshells because BRD was outright required for almost everything in the game. People like Rhindas took it well enough, but some did abuse the hell out of it and knew they could hold parties and alliances hostage, and did.

Red Mages also ended up doing something similar, much to my own shame.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

A princess bard is someone who knew that BRD was an unpopular job and used their job's rarity for political leverage in linkshells because BRD was outright required for almost everything in the game. People like Rhindas took it well enough, but some did abuse the hell out of it and knew they could hold parties and alliances hostage, and did.

Red Mages also ended up doing something similar, much to my own shame.

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Must have been with horrible "friends" and linkshells. I played RDM full time and would fill in as PLD when they needed a better tank. Never had any issues I usually played what i wanted, Whether it was DRK SAM or PLD i only went RDM when needed even though they needed a good RDM a lot I was always allowed to go what I pleased. But i usually went what was needed.

I laugh at anyone who says BRDs are support and not dps in 2.0. 1.23 BRDs I will admit were more support than dps and were despised and never really sought after for content.