Just Another 3rd party bot BUT 1000 TIMES WORSE

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

Also good lord Vedis, how many 50 crafts?!!? O_O!

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3 now, working on 5-6 by the end of june

its alot of damn work!

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

The amount of both sympathizing on the board has reached comic level.

Do you not see the bot clearly walking up to any new target--PC, NPC--anything--trying to attack it? They basically play tennis with it, because it keeps testing if each of them is a coblyn.

It's not that the bot claimed a maidenbug. It's that the bot doesn't care that it's almost dead and won't be getting any sp for it.

They clearly demonstrated a character who automatically walks up to any targetable thing in its area and tries to attack it.
If a GM actually looked at that character's chat logs it would say.

You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
The Maidenbug is engaged.

There's one of these in mun tuy, parked in the squirrel room that doesn't have agro spawn in it. Rank 50 lancer. Just straight farms shards, nonstop. Behaves EXACTLY like this, you can go play tennis with it too.

This bot systematically targets, locks on, runs to, and attempts to attack any new targetable character within its field of vision, which is why you can play tennis with them.

I can tell this is a bot. I can even tell which bot they're using.

What, you all can't?
Or you all won't?

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The point is..

wait for it...

here it comes........

No one cares. No one can 100% prove it. The STF are there for this.


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Originally Posted by Vahzl

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.]The point is..

wait for it...

here it comes........

No one cares. No one can 100% prove it. The STF are there for this.

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A few things that you might want to realize before you post more inflamatory remarks:

1) Obviously your statement that "No one cares." is false. People do care. If they did not they would not take the time to report these things. Some get over zealous sure, but they do care nonetheless. Should people post these things as more of a question...sure. Should they ignore something like RMT when they see it and depend on the STF to have an all-seeing all-knowing eye to monitor the game...nope.

2) Posting remarks to prove your point by debasing or insulting people is one of the most commonly overused tactics in any argument/debate where you as the aggressor can not prove or validate your point effectively. If you have said what you want to say on the matter and people are not listening then you have not accomplished the task of communicating your idea effectively or that person is stubborn. I can understand throwing a snide remark or two in to get some attention to what you are saying but being abusive to people simply to enrage them only makes you look smug and arrogant. This will just make proving your point even more difficult. Sifting through nonsense like this is what makes getting to a solution that much more difficult. My point? Address the topic...leave the people alone. If you can't do that then you should stay quiet an LISTEN until you find another point you can debate and chime in then. Calling people names does not prove or disprove your point. Say what needs to be said and move on.

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Originally Posted by Mortikhan

A few things that you might want to realize before you post more inflamatory remarks:

1) Obviously your statement that "No one cares." is false. People do care. If they did not they would not take the time to report these things. Some get over zealous sure, but they do care nonetheless. Should people post these things as more of a question...sure. Should they ignore something like RMT when they see it and depend on the STF to have an all-seeing all-knowing eye to monitor the game...nope.

2) Posting remarks to prove your point by debasing or insulting people is one of the most commonly overused tactics in any argument/debate where you as the aggressor can not prove or validate your point effectively. If you have said what you want to say on the matter and people are not listening then you have not accomplished the task of communicating your idea effectively or that person is stubborn. I can understand throwing a snide remark or two in to get some attention to what you are saying but being abusive to people simply to enrage them only makes you look smug and arrogant. This will just make proving your point even more difficult. Sifting through nonsense like this is what makes getting to a solution that much more difficult. My point? Address the topic...leave the people alone. If you can't do that then you should stay quiet an LISTEN until you find another point you can debate and chime in then. Calling people names does not prove or disprove your point. Say what needs to be said and move on.

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Thank you for your input, that in no way relates to the subject matter of the OP. I will be sure to call on you when we need a lesson in basic human interaction though.

White Knights all over this forum, it's like an outbreak O_O!

I am starting to hear trumpet fanfares with every new post in this thread lol.

If this bot can claim mobs someone else has claimed, or can even claim a mob without hitting it, thats a serious problem for nms later, the fact that people don't care about the future consequences of botting scares me

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Originally Posted by Silverbaneg

This is the most ignorant thing I have read on this forum

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They actually think we don't know what they are and do. This is the internet. How can we, after all.

Lead them all into the skeleton rooms, I say. What are they going to do? Whine to a GM that we hypnotized them and made them follow a string of mobs to their death?

Lol...they're getting too bold for their britches if you ask me.

I mean why be so SERIOUS about me leading a bot to its death if it's not going to be theirs?

Well naturally it's because it is theirs. Six players continuously show up to these topics and WHITE KNIGHT cheaters.

My guess is all six cheat or reserve the right to.

I'm going to start leading them to their deaths if the STF continues to suffer those players. What are they going to do about it?

Nothing. Reload their bot and walk it back out to the field so I can kill it again. I guess they could whine to the bot developers to make bots that we can't make fun of and kill. Or they could do us all a favor and whine to Square that they're botters.

This isn't a witch hunt. This is pest control.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

They actually think we don't know what they are and do. This is the internet. How can we, after all.

Lead them all into the skeleton rooms, I say. What are they going to do? Whine to a GM that we hypnotized them and made them follow a string of mobs to their death?

Lol...they're getting too bold for their britches if you ask me.

I mean why be so SERIOUS about me leading a bot to its death if it's not going to be theirs?

Well naturally it's because it is theirs. Six players continuously show up to these topics and WHITE KNIGHT cheaters.

My guess is all six cheat or reserve the right to.

I'm going to start leading them to their deaths if the STF continues to suffer those players. What are they going to do about it?

Nothing. Reload their bot and walk it back out to the field so I can kill it again.

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you show up in all of them so you must be one of those 6

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

It's not MPK if there's no player. We should all start posting youtube videos of us killing bots to prove wha they are.

Heck I'm about bored enough to do just that.

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In lieu of the lack of actual content, MPKing bots is actually one of my new hobbies, lmao.

I found one bot in a cave, killing skeletons as they respawned, so the moment a new skelly popped, I claimed it and waited for 10 minutes for the next skeleton to pop. In the meantime, the bot kept trying to attack the first skelly that was already claimed by me, while the newly popped skeleton attacked the bot. It took a while, since the bot was rather high level compared to the skeletons (but not high enough to prevent aggro), but eventually it died.

:p

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

In lieu of the lack of actual content, MPKing bots is actually one of my new hobbies, lmao.

I found one bot in a cave, killing skeletons as they respawned, so the moment a new skelly popped, I claimed it and waited for 10 minutes for the next skeleton to pop. In the meantime, the bot kept trying to attack the first skelly that was already claimed by me, while the newly popped skeleton attacked the bot. It took a while, since the bot was rather high level compared to the skeletons (but not high enough to prevent aggro), but eventually it died.

:p

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lol thats hilarious i gotta remember to do that

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Originally Posted by Andrien

only way a gm can find out if it is a bot or not is if they send a /tell to that person to find out if they're at the console playing.

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Sorry, but that doesn't prove anything.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

In lieu of the lack of actual content, MPKing bots is actually one of my new hobbies, lmao.

I found one bot in a cave, killing skeletons as they respawned, so the moment a new skelly popped, I claimed it and waited for 10 minutes for the next skeleton to pop. In the meantime, the bot kept trying to attack the first skelly that was already claimed by me, while the newly popped skeleton attacked the bot. It took a while, since the bot was rather high level compared to the skeletons (but not high enough to prevent aggro), but eventually it died.

:p

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I'm working on one as we speak. Bardi will sleep well tonight.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

Sorry, but that doesn't prove anything.

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if there is a refusal to respond to a gm it does prove they arent there though, and thats how ALOT of people get caught

i mean come on, how can you NOT respond to a gm, if you are there and playing legit.

are you also saying they are still legit when the gm jails them, and their script is still running?

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

if there is a refusal to respond to a gm it does prove they arent there though, and thats how ALOT of people get caught

i mean come on, how can you NOT respond to a gm, if you are there and playing legit.

are you also saying they are still legit when the gm jails them, and their script is still running?

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I could say I didn't notice the /tell and they have no proof of that. I've missed plenty of LS convos due to battle spam.

Haha you'lll appreciate this one Hamster. Hold on.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

I could say I didn't notice the /tell and they have no proof of that. I've missed plenty of LS convos due to battle spam.

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the problem with that is they can be monitering all your conversations, and if they send you a ton, there really is no excuse to miss them all

remember, their game, their rules, you saying "i didnt see it" wont really cut it

and in my experience with dumb friends, theyve been sent to jail and spoken to there, and lets just say, if you are there itl get noticed right away then, and if your not....well you really are screwed then, no excuse not to see it then

And I'm pretty sure SE just can't jail anyone without proof, and I'm sorry but "OMG he didn't talk to me, he's a dirrty, rotten botter" doesn't cut it.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

And I'm pretty sure SE just can't jail anyone without proof, and I'm sorry but "OMG he didn't talk to me, he's a dirrty, rotten botter" doesn't cut it.

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its not that simple though as i said

if you are being investigated(and theres probly a reason)
and you are doing something that looks botlike

and you arent responding to them

they can and will probly jail you

if you are legit, as i said, youll notice

if you arent, then you got nothing to worry about

then again if your legit, you probly arent being investigated to begin with(chances are they are monitoring your messages and can see you talking to others too in whatever channels you have on)

Alright I have videos proving bot autoclaim spamming of my red target to immediately purple. Hell of a lot better than OP evidence. Plus some hilarity.

It'll take some time.

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

Ok... just saw that second video and you all have missed one very important detail. The "bot" didn't steal a claim or anything. If you look at the chat log, right as the video starts, the party engages Bardi.

After that message pops, they attempt to attack the Maidenbug, which at this point can't be claimed since Bardi is already engaged. Therefore all the "bot" had to do was attack the mob and it could claim it. Nothing wrong with that. Granted he still may be a bot, but there is no claim stealing

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Ok in the Video right at the start the Maden bug is claimed by the bot. 1/2 into the fight he just lowered his sword and stood there looking at it. Wile the Bug dosent attack him at all. it turned yellow so we Attacked it to mess with the bot. To witch the bot reattacked it and took claim again ( witch should not happen at all)A LS member off screen is killing Bardi. You can see him doing it again 1min 55 seconds into the video. He lowers his sword and the coblyn dosent attack wile he regains health. Next you will see the process again . The bot attacks a Coblyn . Stops attacking lowers his sword. The coblyn stops attacking ( again it should still be attacking him) the mob turns yellow as unclaimed so we kill it. Next we Mulit Shot it and fire off another arrow to witch the bot jumps in and takes our mob it is red to us. but he claims it anyway. That is not right that is a Deadly Bot that like said you go HNM or something you have a claim 3/4s dead and a bot jumps your mob and claims it for him self and kills it. Now what you going to do?

lol and thats what we wanted to do with Bardi was bring it to the bot and see if it would agro and kill him. But one of our LS decided to just kill it

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Originally Posted by DarkRain

lol and thats what we wanted to do with Bardi was bring it to the bot and see if it would agro and kill him. But one of our LS decided to just kill it

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Botter on wutai, with the same exact bot, at the same exact place as yours is.
If you do kill them, they immediately teleport and run straight back and continue botting coblyns and maidenbugs there because of the fast spawn rate.

Stay classy, bot sympathizers. Videos incoming.

Bardi doesn't have to agro them. They'll indescriminately attack bardi if you present it to them.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

And I'm pretty sure SE just can't jail anyone without proof, and I'm sorry but "OMG he didn't talk to me, he's a dirrty, rotten botter" doesn't cut it.

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Mr Carbuncle Corrderio they can do what ever they please its written in the agreement u click when u install the game. Ive reported 100's of taru thm/con rmts and not have i ever seen a single one of them get banned/jailed in months SE really doesnt give a rats ass.... Ive found these roaming bots in nanwa mines and out in the fields in horizon also and reported them and days later they where still there SE doesnt give a rats ass they must want there game to fail at this point because there isnt anyother sensible reasoning behind the entire cluster fark of a situation.

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

Thank you for your input, that in no way relates to the subject matter of the OP. I will be sure to call on you when we need a lesson in basic human interaction though.

White Knights all over this forum, it's like an outbreak O_O!

I am starting to hear trumpet fanfares with every new post in this thread lol.

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My intention was to address you and not the topic. You have and continue to try to derail this thread by insulting people rather than disputing their claims. If your "White Knight" label is meant to offend, simply put, it does not. If anything it is a compliment...thanks :). I can stand just as far to the left as you can to the right, that is the easy part. The problem is that nothing gets done. The real debate in this topic is should SE take any action against bots or should they focus more on making the game worthwhile? Is ignoring the possible botting issues in the game a good or bad thing at this point and when if ever should they address the issue? Adding your personal slant on the people who are posting does nothing but sate your own personal need to belittle someone, in short, it serves no purpose in resolving the issue.

As far as my own personal views, I am against botting and RMT. However, if SE decided it was acceptable to do either of these in game then I would have to make a judgement call on weather I would want to be involved in a game like that. I am no saint but I think if you say that you don't want something done in a game you are running that you should address the problem when it arises. Waiting until it gets to epidemic levels before acting will just send us right back to the first 5 years of FFXI where the AH was totally out of hand and the game had lost a ridiculous amount of players. That is my view as a player.

From a business standpoint, it does not benefit them to allow this behavior because when they finally start charging for this game those that have already leveled everything out and exploited the game through third party programs will simply log off until there is more content or they have run out of gil to sell. That cycle will repeat itself continuously cutting into the profits of the company overall. It will also undermine any confidence legitimate players have in the company to run an equal environment for players if it is not addressed. Some people still log into or play video games for fun...true story. If those players can't enjoy themselves or be on a level playing field with other players their interest in a game dwindles and their comments on their experience in that game causes others to avoid it. It is simply a matter of how SE wants this game perceived and what kind of customer they want to attract.

The video of the OP was not necessarily damning evidence. However, it does look pretty suspicious and should be looked into. If the STF can get a bead on these people fast enough they can keep pace with the problem rather than working from behind.

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Originally Posted by Icehunter

IDK if it's a bot, personally I don't care unless it is directly affecting in a massive way, my playtime. However, again regarding claim, since Bardi became "Engaged" you no longer have the ability to claim ANY other monster. From the moment the bug went yellow your party never attacked it. Your party only attacked it after claiming Bardi. :)

Sorry DarkRain, while I can support your view that bots need to die, I can't support the claim theory. It's flawed in how you presented it and with video proof that you did nothing to the bug until "after" your party claimed Bardi, its a moot point :(

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Thank god someone else sees the point that the claim argument "proof" is invalid......IF you're engaging another target regardless of how far away, anyone bot or otherwise can claim an additional target you might damage first..period..end of story.

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Originally Posted by Point_Zero

They are just going to do what they always do... let it go on for a while and then drop the ban hammer and ban half the population.. just give it time..

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Lol, so ture ;)

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Originally Posted by twinkles

Thank god someone else sees the point that the claim argument "proof" is invalid......IF you're engaging another target regardless of how far away, anyone bot or otherwise can claim an additional target you might damage first..period..end of story.

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Ok thats my bad then. And ill give you that. Im still in the mind set that if you attack a mob no matter if you have one attacked or not that its still your claim. So ill give that up. But still point is that if you whent and attacked a mob and lowered your weapon and looked at it , it would hit you as it unclaims it would still attack you until you die , kill it , or run away from it. So sorry but yeah still in the mind set that if you attack a mob reguardless if you have another engaged it should still be linked to you. But im wrong on that. But still this bot is bad news.

@darkrain

I agree that i don't like the mechanic either. But that is indeed the way the game is set up. If i came down a little hard it is because i assumed you knew the way it works, 1 claim at a time(it sucks) but that is how it goes.

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Originally Posted by Hikozaemon

Mr Carbuncle Corrderio they can do what ever they please its written in the agreement u click when u install the game. Ive reported 100's of taru thm/con rmts and not have i ever seen a single one of them get banned/jailed in months SE really doesnt give a rats ass.... Ive found these roaming bots in nanwa mines and out in the fields in horizon also and reported them and days later they where still there SE doesnt give a rats ass they must want there game to fail at this point because there isnt anyother sensible reasoning behind the entire cluster fark of a situation.

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Yes, but at the same time GMs still need to follow the guidelines they were given. They can't just jail you because they "assume" you're cheating without something to back it up. After all that's why Jcblue got his ass fired within a week of being a GM on XI.

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Originally Posted by Dimo

at first i had no clue what the video/bot was doing, but as soon as he claimed the target you already claimed..well thats just crazy.

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I don't think this kind of issue is called as "bot" it is more like kind of "trainer" or "cheat engine"

i have seen the bot claim mobs that were already claimed.

edit: i just finished reading the rest of the posts and realized it was already mentioned that in fact bardi was claimed before they tried to engage the maidenbug. i removed the rest of my post due to it was already stated.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

They actually think we don't know what they are and do. This is the internet. How can we, after all.

Lead them all into the skeleton rooms, I say. What are they going to do? Whine to a GM that we hypnotized them and made them follow a string of mobs to their death?

Lol...they're getting too bold for their britches if you ask me.

I mean why be so SERIOUS about me leading a bot to its death if it's not going to be theirs?

Well naturally it's because it is theirs. Six players continuously show up to these topics and WHITE KNIGHT cheaters.

My guess is all six cheat or reserve the right to.

I'm going to start leading them to their deaths if the STF continues to suffer those players. What are they going to do about it?

Nothing. Reload their bot and walk it back out to the field so I can kill it again. I guess they could whine to the bot developers to make bots that we can't make fun of and kill. Or they could do us all a favor and whine to Square that they're botters.

This isn't a witch hunt. This is pest control.

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So lets see here. You have made judgement on something you cannot 100% prove, and have now begun to enact your unique brand of justice based on your opinion on the matter.

That is actually the very definition of a witch hunt.

Also let me make my standpoint clear, as Peregrine is seemingly lost in a sea of tears, and is starting to try to belittle my name :(

1) I do not like botters, I do not think it is fair, and I do not agree with their view on that they should do it until they get caught.

2) Botters are in EVERY MMoRPG out there. This problem is definately not unique to FFXIV, or even to SE, it is a worldwide issue, and one of the reasons Chinese internet is being further and further scrutinised daily (just referring to RMT botters here, not domestic).

3) Botting programs are freely available, all you need to do is Google FFXIV bot and you see a very popular one in the first link return. Would I use it myself? No, because I don't trust third party software other than some of the more popular WoW addons, and the FFXI Windower (because I have enough PC knowledge to pull that program apart and poke around inside it). Do I think it is unethical? Sort of yes, but if there were no risks involved, I would probably do it for a few things here and there, but only if I was still in the area of my PC while it was running, for example if I want to watch a movie or have a shower. I don't see much of a problem there, but to reiterate, I don't do it, because I like my account clean and tidy, and not banned, and am also very well aware of how they catch them, and it really doesn't have anything to do with what they are doing ingame.

4) I have some pretty out there opinions on botting myself, due to what I currently do for a living. I see them daily, and work very hard to fight against them, but to see so many people mindlessly whining about their opinion on how they are handled is so disconcerting. You really do have no idea how much work goes into tracking and actioning these things. It is immense. I apologise if I have been a little snarky or rude in previous posts, but being right in the centre of this kind of behaviour, it annoys me to see so many people thinking they know how it all works, and their "off the front of their brain" ideas are the fix, and should be done now. They aren't. Most ideas have been tried, and they don't work, as the RMT very quickly circumvent them.

I hope this explains a little more about my stand point on botting as it is.

Now, to explain a little further about my opinions on some of the posts:

It is great that you want to stop botting, it's fantastic in fact, but don't kid yourselves that you are doing it for the greater good. Already judging by the previous posts, people are standing in known botter locations and killing them, and getting a rise out of it, therefore, you are doing it for self satisfaction, as you very well know that the 20 minutes you spend MPKing them, isn't even going to make a mark on their 24/7 schedule. It doesn't even hinder them. No police officer should ever enjoy using the nightstick, no guard should ever enjoy using their pepper spray, and if they do, they shouldn't be in that position.

I am not a botting sympathiser, but in the same respect, I do not condone renegade justice, as for all you know, you could be wrong, and some poor child is sitting the other side of the screen, with no idea what to do about this guy killing him over and over. It is unlikely, yes, but not outside of the realms of possibility.

If you are so bored with the game that you have become this little self professed super hero, then you should move on to something else.

Please make sure to read the entire post before misquoting it.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

1) I do not like botters, I do not think it is fair, and I do not agree with their view on that they should do it until they get caught.

2) Botters are in EVERY MMoRPG out there. This problem is definately not unique to FFXIV, or even to SE, it is a worldwide issue, and one of the reasons Chinese internet is being further and further scrutinised daily (just referring to RMT botters here, not domestic).

3) Botting programs are freely available, all you need to do is Google FFXIV bot and you see a very popular one in the first link return. Would I use it myself? No, because I don't trust third party software other than some of the more popular WoW addons, and the FFXI Windower (because I have enough PC knowledge to pull that program apart and poke around inside it). Do I think it is unethical? Sort of yes, but if there were no risks involved, I would probably do it for a few things here and there, but only if I was still in the area of my PC while it was running, for example if I want to watch a movie or have a shower. I don't see much of a problem there, but to reiterate, I don't do it, because I like my account clean and tidy, and not banned, and am also very well aware of how they catch them, and it really doesn't have anything to do with what they are doing ingame.

4) I have some pretty out there opinions on botting myself, due to what I currently do for a living. I see them daily, and work very hard to fight against them, but to see so many people mindlessly whining about their opinion on how they are handled is so disconcerting. You really do have no idea how much work goes into tracking and actioning these things. It is immense. I apologise if I have been a little snarky or rude in previous posts, but being right in the centre of this kind of behaviour, it annoys me to see so many people thinking they know how it all works, and their "off the front of their brain" ideas are the fix, and should be done now. They aren't. Most ideas have been tried, and they don't work, as the RMT very quickly circumvent them.

I hope this explains a little more about my stand point on botting as it is.

Now, to explain a little further about my opinions on some of the posts:

It is great that you want to stop botting, it's fantastic in fact, but don't kid yourselves that you are doing it for the greater good. Already judging by the previous posts, people are standing in known botter locations and killing them, and getting a rise out of it, therefore, you are doing it for self satisfaction, as you very well know that the 20 minutes you spend MPKing them, isn't even going to make a mark on their 24/7 schedule. It doesn't even hinder them. No police officer should ever enjoy using the nightstick, no guard should ever enjoy using their pepper spray, and if they do, they shouldn't be in that position.

I am not a botting sympathiser, but in the same respect, I do not condone renegade justice, as for all you know, you could be wrong, and some poor child is sitting the other side of the screen, with no idea what to do about this guy killing him over and over. It is unlikely, yes, but not outside of the realms of possibility.

If you are so bored with the game that you have become this little self professed super hero, then you should move on to something else.

Please make sure to read the entire post before misquoting it.

Thank you.

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Agreed. Vigilante justice would be no better in this scenario because you can sometimes catch innocent people in the crossfire of over zealous self-appointed internet gaming police. State what you saw, provide proof of your claim and wait for action to be taken. Do not assume something is not being done simply because you did not get a response. There are many methods to remove RMT from any game and the most effective one is observing who they interact with. RMT used to travel in LSs...as they were removed more and more because of affiliations they caught on and now travel around without an LS to brand themselves and others that associate with them. So the STF has to follow their actions now to see who and how many are actually involved. Once they have a clearer picture as to how many RTM they are dealing with (both buyers and sellers) they take action.

I understand people want swift punishment but a bit of patience is required so the right decisions are made against the right people. When going after a cancerous tumor you have to choose the right tool to extract it. The STF could use a scalpel or a nuclear weapon. Both have merits for removing the cancer, just different consequences.

There is ppl dieing out in the world...and u care about bots ? I love to play games too but...I hope u dont hang yourself because of this.

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Also let me make my standpoint clear, as Peregrine is seemingly lost in a sea of tears, and is starting to try to belittle my name :(

1) I do not like botters, I do not think it is fair, and I do not agree with their view on that they should do it until they get caught.

2) Botters are in EVERY MMoRPG out there. This problem is definately not unique to FFXIV, or even to SE, it is a worldwide issue, and one of the reasons Chinese internet is being further and further scrutinised daily (just referring to RMT botters here, not domestic).

3) Botting programs are freely available, all you need to do is Google FFXIV bot and you see a very popular one in the first link return. Would I use it myself? No, because I don't trust third party software other than some of the more popular WoW addons, and the FFXI Windower (because I have enough PC knowledge to pull that program apart and poke around inside it). Do I think it is unethical? Sort of yes, but if there were no risks involved, I would probably do it for a few things here and there, but only if I was still in the area of my PC while it was running, for example if I want to watch a movie or have a shower. I don't see much of a problem there, but to reiterate, I don't do it, because I like my account clean and tidy, and not banned, and am also very well aware of how they catch them, and it really doesn't have anything to do with what they are doing ingame.

4) I have some pretty out there opinions on botting myself, due to what I currently do for a living. I see them daily, and work very hard to fight against them, but to see so many people mindlessly whining about their opinion on how they are handled is so disconcerting. You really do have no idea how much work goes into tracking and actioning these things. It is immense. I apologise if I have been a little snarky or rude in previous posts, but being right in the centre of this kind of behaviour, it annoys me to see so many people thinking they know how it all works, and their "off the front of their brain" ideas are the fix, and should be done now. They aren't. Most ideas have been tried, and they don't work, as the RMT very quickly circumvent them.

I hope this explains a little more about my stand point on botting as it is.

Now, to explain a little further about my opinions on some of the posts:

It is great that you want to stop botting, it's fantastic in fact, but don't kid yourselves that you are doing it for the greater good. Already judging by the previous posts, people are standing in known botter locations and killing them, and getting a rise out of it, therefore, you are doing it for self satisfaction, as you very well know that the 20 minutes you spend MPKing them, isn't even going to make a mark on their 24/7 schedule. It doesn't even hinder them. No police officer should ever enjoy using the nightstick, no guard should ever enjoy using their pepper spray, and if they do, they shouldn't be in that position.

I am not a botting sympathiser, but in the same respect, I do not condone renegade justice, as for all you know, you could be wrong, and some poor child is sitting the other side of the screen, with no idea what to do about this guy killing him over and over. It is unlikely, yes, but not outside of the realms of possibility.

If you are so bored with the game that you have become this little self professed super hero, then you should move on to something else.

Please make sure to read the entire post before misquoting it.

Thank you.

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Peregrine doesn't need to try to belittle your name, you do a fine enough job with that on your own. Don't worry, guy. We are all just unintelligent bot lynchers and you're the almighty knowledge center. Call us white knights while you stand on your soapbox and preach.

All I can say truthfully is I want to help, but have no other ways of doing so other than making suggestions, reporting, and pointing out how nothing appears to get done with this subject. I don't go out and try to get bots killed. I do watch them sometimes so I can make more detailed reports, but that's about as far into it as I go.

You have no right to sit there and try to belittle everyone in this thread that has said anything negative about botting. You will defend their right to bot, but say no word in defense for those who choose not to. You say you don't like it, you say it's good that we want it to end, but instead of being reasonable and informative, you rather call people who don't bot stupid and naive. You are not helpful. We could have all gone with not reading a single post you ever made and felt the same or known just as much as we do now.

I may not know everything that goes on behind the scenes, but that doesn't mean I can't guess at how elaborate a system it could be. I never assumed that absolutely nothing was happening to track these bots and such, all I ever said was how it's been months since bots showed up on the scene, and I am still seeing the same ones. People have told me bot programs were available at launch of the game...how can we, who care about this game and it's future, not care about the rising trend of botting amongst the population?

Just because botting is a plague amongst the majority of MMOs doesn't make it any less okay to be happening on the game we are playing now. I'm not in this for self-gratification. I literally want fairest environment possible for myself, my friends, and other players to play in. Sorry, if this isn't a good enough reason for you, but if people didn't wish for things to change, and show that it matters to them, things may not. There is little more I can do but report and discuss, and yet you'd rather those privileges taken away from me whilst you name-call and antagonize.

Attempt to crucify me if you wish, but whatever your occupation is it doesn't make you all-knowing behind the way SE is handling this problem for FFXIV. All you are proving is how many creative (or lack there of) ways you can make fun of the people that care.

I want legitimate players. I want a fair environment for those players. The bots have already caused serious damage to the game and if nothing is done about them before a cap raise/expansion/subscription comes into play we are all going to have a miserable time trying to play. Bots effect everyone whether they are aware of it or not. Sitting idly by, defending botters rights to bot, and ridiculing those who want to help (but can do little) will never help anything.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

Peregrine doesn't need to try to belittle your name, you do a fine enough job with that on your own. Don't worry, guy. We are all just unintelligent bot lynchers and you're the almighty knowledge center. Call us white knights while you stand on your soapbox and preach.

All I can say truthfully is I want to help, but have no other ways of doing so other than making suggestions, reporting, and pointing out how nothing appears to get done with this subject. I don't go out and try to get bots killed. I do watch them sometimes so I can make more detailed reports, but that's about as far into it as I go.

You have no right to sit there and try to belittle everyone in this thread that has said anything negative about botting. You will defend their right to bot, but say no word in defense for those who choose not to. You say you don't like it, you say it's good that we want it to end, but instead of being reasonable and informative, you rather call people who don't bot stupid and naive. You are not helpful. We could have all gone with not reading a single post you ever made and felt the same or known just as much as we do now.

I may not know everything that goes on behind the scenes, but that doesn't mean I can't guess at how elaborate a system it could be. I never assumed that absolutely nothing was happening to track these bots and such, all I ever said was how it's been months since bots showed up on the scene, and I am still seeing the same ones. People have told me bot programs were available at launch of the game...how can we, who care about this game and it's future, not care about the rising trend of botting amongst the population?

Just because botting is a plague amongst the majority of MMOs doesn't make it any less okay to be happening on the game we are playing now. I'm not in this for self-gratification. I literally want fairest environment possible for myself, my friends, and other players to play in. Sorry, if this isn't a good enough reason for you, but if people didn't wish for things to change, and show that it matters to them, things may not. There is little more I can do but report and discuss, and yet you'd rather those privileges taken away from me whilst you name-call and antagonize.

Attempt to crucify me if you wish, but whatever your occupation is it doesn't make you all-knowing behind the way SE is handling this problem for FFXIV. All you are proving is how many creative (or lack there of) ways you can make fun of the people that care.

I want legitimate players. I want a fair environment for those players. The bots have already caused serious damage to the game and if nothing is done about them before a cap raise/expansion/subscription comes into play we are all going to have a miserable time trying to play. Bots effect everyone whether they are aware of it or not. Sitting idly by, defending botters rights to bot, and ridiculing those who want to help (but can do little) will never help anything.

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It's posts like yours that show just how much you can misread things.

Also it isn't a rising trend, you are just seeing it more because you have nothing else to focus on right now. Judging by your jobs and levels, you have reached a point where you will be looking for things to do, as I would assume you have experienced most of the games content. You have probably seen these botters before, but not noticed as you would have been doing leves in Nanawa mines for example. Now you see them "All the time" because you are on the hunt for them.

It saddens me to see players who would otherwise be hard working and contributory turn to this witch hunt mentality.

I have not at any point defended botters either, yet again you misinterpret my words. I have however pointed out that for everyone that thinks they have found a bot, there are equally high chances that you have just tarnished an innocent players reputation.

It isn't your job to go out collecting heads, and it isn't something you should concern yourself with. They are only in your way when you make them get in your way.

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It's posts like yours that show just how much you can misread things.

Also it isn't a rising trend, you are just seeing it more because you have nothing else to focus on right now. Judging by your jobs and levels, you have reached a point where you will be looking for things to do, as I would assume you have experienced most of the games content. You have probably seen these botters before, but noticed as you would have been doing leves in Nanawa mines for example. Now you see them "All the time" because you are on the hunt for them.

It saddens me to see players who would otherwise be hard working and contributory turn to this witch hunt mentality.

I have not at any point defended botters either, yet again you misinterpret my words. I have however pointed out that for everyone that thinks they have found a bot, there are equally high chances that you have just tarnished an innocent players reputation.

It isn't your job to go out collecting heads, and it isn't something you should concern yourself with. They are only in your way when you make them get in your way.

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It may have to do with the population decrease, but I am not wrong. Several players, even some I once knew, now bot. Don't sit there and tell me that like you're reassuring me there isn't a problem when there most definitely is. I even had to make a decision on handling what to do amongst my own LS when one finally admitted they had been botting to me after my evidence piled up before them.

And I'm not out collecting players heads. It hurts that people I once fought alongside are now using their bots to grind up their crafts. It's discouraging to all players, new and old.

You do defend them, by respecting their rights to bot. The rights they don't have as per the ToS of the game. Maybe you respect them because perhaps you wouldn't have a job without them, but it's not right. It's not fair.

And you are wrong about them being in my or other people's ways. Don't be so naive to say or think that they have no impact on this game. Evidence to the contrary is everywhere, particularly in the wards. I don't have to think they are in my way to feel their presence. I don't even have to see them, report them, or acknowledge them to feel it.

Edit: On a side note, I was aware and very against botting before I even hit my first rank 50 class. Don't try to group me in with some bored crowd. Assuming will be your downfall.

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It may have to do with the population decrease, but I am not wrong. Several players, even some I once knew, now bot. Don't sit there and tell me that like you're reassuring me there isn't a problem when there most definitely is. I even had to make a decision on handling what to do amongst my own LS when one finally admitted they had been botting to me after my evidence piled up before them.

And I'm not out collecting players heads. It hurts that people I once fought alongside are now using their bots to grind up their crafts. It's discouraging to all players, new and old.

You do defend them, by respecting their rights to bot. The rights they don't have as per the ToS of the game. Maybe you respect them because perhaps you wouldn't have a job without them, but it's not right. It's not fair.

And you are wrong about them being in my or other people's ways. Don't be so naive to say or think that they have no impact on this game. Evidence to the contrary is everywhere, particularly in the wards. I don't have to think they are in my way to feel their presence. I don't even have to see them, report them, or acknowledge them to feel it.

Edit: On a side note, I was aware and very against botting before I even hit my first rank 50 class. Don't try to group me in with some bored crowd. Assuming will be your downfall.

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Ok, I think I need to end your little ranting now, as it seems instead of discussing this you would prefer to sit on top of your white horse with your fingers in your ears going LALALALALALALALALA.

You aren't reading things, and you are just being aggressive for no reason, so I am done with you. If you wish to continue to discuss the matter, then feel free to do so, but don't expect a response until you can chill your heels a little. You just sound like any other soap box ranter, screaming about the end of all things, based on the pattern that formed in your cheerios this morning.

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Ok, I think I need to end your little ranting now, as it seems instead of discussing this you would prefer to sit on top of your white horse with your fingers in your ears going LALALALALALALALALA.

You aren't reading things, and you are just being aggressive for no reason, so I am done with you. If you wish to continue to discuss the matter, then feel free to do so, but don't expect a response until you can chill your heels a little. You just sound like any other soap box ranter, screaming about the end of all things, based on the pattern that formed in your cheerios this morning.

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I'm not, but it's okay. I can understand I hurt your feelings. Sorry.

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Ok in the Video right at the start the Maden bug is claimed by the bot. 1/2 into the fight he just lowered his sword and stood there looking at it. Wile the Bug dosent attack him at all. it turned yellow so we Attacked it to mess with the bot. To witch the bot reattacked it and took claim again ( witch should not happen at all)A LS member off screen is killing Bardi. You can see him doing it again 1min 55 seconds into the video. He lowers his sword and the coblyn dosent attack wile he regains health. Next you will see the process again . The bot attacks a Coblyn . Stops attacking lowers his sword. The coblyn stops attacking ( again it should still be attacking him) the mob turns yellow as unclaimed so we kill it. Next we Mulit Shot it and fire off another arrow to witch the bot jumps in and takes our mob it is red to us. but he claims it anyway. That is not right that is a Deadly Bot that like said you go HNM or something you have a claim 3/4s dead and a bot jumps your mob and claims it for him self and kills it. Now what you going to do?

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You fail!!!