Yoshi-P New Classes/Jobs Release Plan.

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Originally Posted by CruxisSeptentrion

The whole Paralyze and En-spell discussion is all fine and dandy but people aren't going to bring a job to a raid based on if they have Paralyze or not, it's going to come down to whether or not they do competitive damage or healing compared to the other classes that specialize.

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They can have more spells than just paralyze.

And all they would have to do is give them a spell like haste or refresh so they could increase the damage of others to make up for any short-comings in DPS. So I think there is room for a support/DPS class on this game.

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Rdm is known for 3 things, swords, spells blm and whm have, and speed casting. All these already exist and are impossible to mix in this structure. Even if they added a "red Mage" it would be far from what it has been

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I disagree.

The Red Mage in FF11 was known for their powerful enfeebling and support magic. And those spells were unique to Red Mage. So they did not borrow their strengths from other classes.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Problem with that concept is that Dark Knight is originally a DD type Job with tank like stats.

Dark Knight was originally designed to perform DD as a character and focused more on using its own HP to power his Damage skills. The only reason why Dark knight had such High Defense and HP was to prevent the Dark Knight from killing himself due to the amount of HP he would constantly drain when the Dark knight goes all out DD on a enemy. Not very good Job to have as a tank (if yoshi-p follows this concept) since Dark Knight specialize in DD by sacrificing his HP.

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I wouldn't mind if it was a tank, it could be like the warriors opposite instead of gaining hp, dark knight sacrifices it to become tougher maybe instead of stronger? But tbh I would rather the Dark Knight be some kick ass dps lol

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I want to know how he plans to make Red Mage different from how Thm, Cjn, and Arcanist/Summoner play right now.

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The same way RDM has been different from THM CNJ ARC and SMN in the past: It uses swords, medium armor, has some of the lower level, non-specialized spells of other casters, and excels at buffs/debuffs.

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Originally Posted by Orihara_Izaya

I wouldn't mind if it was a tank, it could be like the warriors opposite instead of gaining hp, dark knight sacrifices it to become tougher maybe instead of stronger? But tbh I would rather the Dark Knight be some kick ass dps lol

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As much as it would sound interesting for a Tank Dark knight it would go against what Dark knights aim for which is to gain power to crush there enemies. A Knight who aims for becoming stronger to become tougher is more of a Paladin's thing which we already have.

Dark Knights are all about power for the sake of strength rather than toughness. Sacrificing there HP is a side effect for having to use such powers that normal people would not be capable of handling or most likely would have died from using these powerful abilities. This is mostly why Dark Knight is a double edge sword type of Job due to the risk it has if not properly played to maintin their own HP so they don't kill themselves.

We can't have new playable races. The Miqo'tes don't have anymore butt to sacrifice.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

We can't have new playable races. The Miqo'tes don't have anymore butt to sacrifice.

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That made me laugh then cry. SE will find new ways to try and ruin miqo'te, its only a matter of time.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Dark Knights are all about power for the sake of strength rather than toughness. Sacrificing there HP is a side effect for having to use such powers that normal people would not be capable of handling or most likely would have died from using these powerful abilities. This is mostly why Dark Knight is a double edge sword type of Job due to the risk it has if not properly played to maintin their own HP so they don't kill themselves.

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The Lore of dark knight has yet to be written in this game, so lore issues aren't a big deal. I'd say instead it comes down to does a class need two jobs to do the same thing? In my opinion it does not. So unless Dark Knight is coming from a class that doesn't exist currently in game(perhaps a two handed sword class?) it shouldn't be a tank.

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Originally Posted by jomoru

The Lore of dark knight has yet to be written in this game, so lore issues aren't a big deal. I'd say instead it comes down to does a class need two jobs to do the same thing? In my opinion it does not. So unless Dark Knight is coming from a class that doesn't exist currently in game(perhaps a two handed sword class?) it shouldn't be a tank.

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Well Yoshi-P has no intention of giving 1 class 2 Jobs with the same role. Each Class will be given 2 Jobs but each Job will be placed in different roles. As of now the most possible thing for Dark Knight to be is a DD Role Job.

Any more mystery about Dark knight we will have to leave it to Hildebrand to solve those cases.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well Yoshi-P has no intention of giving 1 class 2 Jobs with the same role. Each Class will be given 2 Jobs but each Job will be placed in different roles. As of now the most possible thing for Dark Knight to be is a DD Role Job.

Any more mystery about Dark knight we will have to leave it to Hildebrand to solve those cases.

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Is there a quote backing up the no classes with two jobs with the same role? I mean it makes sense to me so called "pure" classes are a bad idea in my mind but I've seen plenty of people consider it making sense to them

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Originally Posted by jomoru

Is there a quote backing up the no classes with two jobs with the same role? I mean it makes sense to me so called "pure" classes are a bad idea in my mind but I've seen plenty of people consider it making sense to them

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It mostly from what is currently in the game now with how Arcanist derive on 2 Jobs with different roles.

A Pure class ideal being seen as the only way for most classes now is mostly due to the lack of possibilities in the game now but current systems like Stances changing a character gameplay and Jobs changing certain skills is still fresh in this game due to being introduced into 2.0. Not to mention the large stat Bonus given to Jobs to adjust the character gameplay to suit the role.

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Originally Posted by jomoru

The Lore of dark knight has yet to be written in this game, so lore issues aren't a big deal. I'd say instead it comes down to does a class need two jobs to do the same thing? In my opinion it does not. So unless Dark Knight is coming from a class that doesn't exist currently in game(perhaps a two handed sword class?) it shouldn't be a tank.

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Could have a blood based base class, and then have it branch into dark knight, and some other like heavy armor type magic class? Dunno lol

I would really like a shape shifting class/job that has melee dps forms and magic range dps forms.

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Originally Posted by Marveth

Dark knight

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Yes... very much so.

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Originally Posted by Bloodclaw

Yes... very much so.

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Did you really revive a 4 month old thread just to say that?

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Dark Knights are all about power for the sake of strength rather than toughness.

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actually is possible to make a Dark knight even in this setup, i means we can perfectly see a Dark knight that cripples him enemy for boosting himself. it will be like, he steal him stregnth for use it against him target. can be pretty funnier, i often read too that people want an evade tank, they can make the dark knight do this, using some sort of spell called the Dark Mantle increasing him evasion and making harder to hit.

they can do what ever they want with the Dark knight

They really need to be careful when they release new jobs because everyone will flock to it and queue's will be bogged to the extreme.

They need to release a set of them at the same time.

Example: Dark Knight (Tank), Chemist (Healer), Thief (DPS) Time Mage (DPS/Support)

We really need new mechanics with these classes too... and new abilities for everyone at the same time to promote new mechanics in battles

Red Mage - maybe a cross between melee and caster dps. Melee combos with magic attack finishers (or vice versa). Depending on finisher you'd inflict some type of debuff or maybe grant the party a small AoE buff. Let's not forget about enspells, as well.

Also, for new races, I don't see how it wouldn't make sense for them to add completely new races, aside from ones already introduced, seeing as how we've only been introduced to parts of the world (and there could be many more parts with unknown races).

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Originally Posted by Nikita

In case you were interested to know, in the official players poll Viera was quite the popular race in regards as to which next to add.

http://i.imgur.com/8N4qK2P.jpg

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I would LOVE for more builds to the existing classes, I didn't even think of that as an option.

Imagine a Miqote with Roe proportions! It could be a like a feral tribe still living in the wild.

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Originally Posted by Citi

Did you really revive a 4 month old thread just to say that?

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Well omg, didn't know it was THAT old lol, sorry.

I would be interested to see what y'all think of my idea:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...lease-Critique

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I want to know how he plans to make Red Mage different from how Thm, Cjn, and Arcanist/Summoner play right now.

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Maybe give rdm's something like elementally enhanced swords? That might be cool. Even though we cant have elemental boosts over enemies, the effect might be cool. As well as a lot more enfeebling spells of course ^^ They might be close-range with a nice mix of spells...that might be interesting :o

Perhaps the RDMs could use an elemental buff to raise a specific stat to fit their current need? Like if you were needed to help with healing you could use an elemental buff that ties to Mind and increase your cure potency. Likewise for dealing magic damage or physical damage, or even needing to take a hit better.