LOL@ Yoshi P's response to why Coil raiders should do Crystal Tower

This game gets more silly day by day.

guess "hardcore" players will just have to be happy with twintania being the only real challenge for the next 4-5 months. Turns 1-4 only take an hour and the only meaningful progression til 2.2 is twintania.... sad =(

2.2 better be astoundingly amazing or this game will lose a large amount of decent raiders if it has not already.

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Originally Posted by Licus

This game gets more silly day by day.

guess "hardcore" players will just have to be happy with twintania being the only real challenge for the next 4-5 months. Turns 1-4 only take an hour and the only meaningful progression til 2.2 is twintania.... sad =(

2.2 better be astoundingly amazing or this game will lose a large amount of decent raiders if it has not already.

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And those "Extreme" modes Aren't Hardcore? x.x If that's not hardcore primals idn what is @.@.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

And those "Extreme" modes Aren't Hardcore? x.x If that's not hardcore primals idn what is @.@.

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I am very skeptical of how long those fights will entertain people who have T1-4 on farm. Maybe those three fights will be amazing? I am definitely hoping so. If those fights don't stand up to being an equitable challenge to twintania, then this game will lose appeal to decent raiding communities.

tbh, im happy now i can at least gear my tank with gear other than the trashcan (Heavy Darklight) and of course all my other 50s, with that gear i can tank Coil which will be fun to try RIGHT?! and heal it... the joy!

Only excited for barber shop.
Is that sad?

Ouch SE, right in the integrity.

Clue yourselves in please, we want to move forward, not back.

I missed the live stream. Does anyone know a place where I can watch it?

I love the butt hurt from the "hardcore players" who are crying this game is going the casual route. This game has been casual since conception.

People have a short memory. CT was originally intended to be included at launch, but they pulled it. It was meant to be a level prior to coil, and it still is. The reason they pulled it was because the devs felt it was too hard for the level they intended. It is not a continuing progression from coil and was never meant to be. That was made clear back in august. So what else could Yoshi say? They just put it back in where it was suppose to be, and players who are at coil have already passed it. So?

What if there was a level 20 dungeon that was pulled from launch because of problems, and they were putting it back in with 2.1? Would every level 50 be complaining that they have no reason to run it?

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Originally Posted by Brises

People have a short memory. CT was originally intended to be included at launch, but they pulled it. It was meant to be a level prior to coil, and it still is. The reason they pulled it was because the devs felt it was too hard for the level they intended. It is not a continuing progression from coil and was never meant to be. That was made clear back in august. So what else could Yoshi say? They just put it back in where it was suppose to be, and players who are at coil have already passed it. So?

What if there was a level 20 dungeon that was pulled from launch because of problems, and they were putting it back in with 2.1? Would every level 50 be complaining that they have no reason to run it?

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I don't think people get upset that CT will be placed back where it belonged. I think people who are clearing most of BCB are getting no real love and that is the cause for anger. I am sure most coil players will do CT, but it will be boring after the first clear. The extreme primals don't feel like new content because they hardly are. The extreme primals are akin to releasing a raid only to release the heroic mode four months later.

If SE released 2-3 more turns to coil in 2.1, I am sure there would be much less complaining.

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Originally Posted by Amiantos

I love the butt hurt from the "hardcore players" who are crying this game is going the casual route. This game has been casual since conception.

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Casual games belong in Facebook and on cell phones, not in MMO. I don't mean casual in the sense of limited playtime...my FC has very limited play time and we've done T5. I mean..."casual" in the sense where people want everything easy mode.

Why do you think ct is magically dropping i80 peices? he said the it will be the same strength as AK which means ilvl 60 gear. Also why would an i55 dungeon drop i80 gear that makes really no since at all. I play like 7-10 hours a week I have a +1, and hero+ allagan ring. It's not hard to start coil. If you can beat the extreme primals, you can beat the hard meaning you will already have a relic my assumption is these are to give players an offer for a weapon that doesn't cost mythos but is the same strength. Just harder to Obtain. Telling me to gear up another job angers me because I currently have no reason to play my alternate job since its another dd and 50min+ ques are ridiculous, make dungeons take up to 4 dds and increase enemy spawns if you go with 6 boom problem solved., esp if i'm in a i55 dungeon I have an excuse not to be on my blm. He basically told us do crystal tower on your blm so you have no reason to play your drg but it will look pretty. Which defeats the purpose.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

Casual games belong in Facebook and on cell phones, not in MMO. I don't mean casual in the sense of limited playtime...my FC has very limited play time and we've done T5. I mean..."casual" in the sense where people want everything easy mode.

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And just who are you to decide where casual games belong? Who gave you that authority?

My only complaint is how easy myth seals are to get. Myth seals buy ilvl90 gear but you only really need ILvl50 gear to get them. I feel like WP should go back to not dropping any, ak drop 20 tops, and new dungeons shoulda been ILvl 70 and drop 30-40. Then gear progression would make more sense. As it is right now relic +1 and myth gear make skipping 70-80 gear easy. The only hard part of relic is Titan.

What I would personally like to see relic+2. You get by cleaning all new dungeons and battles, clear extreme primals and use the new ilvl90 wpn to be consumed into relic+1, clear coil, craft something awesome and expensive, consume that for relic, get ilvl100 relic+2. Oh and get ILvl 95 from turn 5, use that too.

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Originally Posted by Arcari

And just who are you to decide where casual games belong? Who gave you that authority?

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Last I checked I am allowed to have an opinion...

*looks around*

OH yeah! I'm on the FFXIV forums..that is not allowed! :<

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Originally Posted by Licus

I don't think people get upset that CT will be placed back where it belonged. I think people who are clearing most of BCB are getting no real love and that is the cause for anger. I am sure most coil players will do CT, but it will be boring after the first clear. The extreme primals don't feel like new content because they hardly are. The extreme primals are akin to releasing a raid only to release the heroic mode four months later.

If SE released 2-3 more turns to coil in 2.1, I am sure there would be much less complaining.

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having some perspective might help here.

The number of players having cleared coil is few and far between, I dare say the mass majority of players have yet to clear coil or even entered coil, releasing 2-3 more turns for coil as content is equivalent to shooting them in the face as even though there are new content, it isn't accessible to them for the near future.

I applaud your efforts in clearing coil (if you'd done so) but in this world we live in, things don't necessarily revolve around you or your demands.

No MMO can ever release HC content fast enough for HC groups, ultimately, it'll lead to the direction the DEVs took in FFXI > Introduce an un-defeatable HNM content and have HC groups throw themselves at it for months on end.

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Originally Posted by Amiantos

Silly Character Limits.

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I don't know how many times I am going to have to post this:
"For ARR, the level cap is going to be level 50 to start the game. We don't want players to have to spend a lot of time getting to level 50. The reason behind this is that we believe the game up to level 50 is basically your tutorial. The real game begins from level 50. We have the real challenges begin there. We have a lot of end content that we've already prepared to be ready at the launch of the game."

No, it has not been casual since conception. Though with its current route it seems he is swaying from that statement and catering to the "Kawaii" Weeaboo crowd that only cares about the "Kawaii" veteran reward minions, and mounts, all stuff that is frivolous. It's going to bleed subscriptions, but like I said, its become a niche game like XI, it might even die eventually. This game had so much potential, sucks to see it happen. Yoshi lied.

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Originally Posted by Mitternacht

People are raging about there not being cutting-edge progression content in a patch that was never intended to have cutting-edge progression content. That's ok, by late December it will be people complaining about getting rolled in Wolves' Den by people in Coil gear.

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Thats not gonna happen since PvP got specific armor / materias and I bet my ass that people in PvE gear gonna get slaughtered. Just look at your stats sheet, morale stat ... you ll never have that with pve gear ;)

Otherwise, you pros gonna faceroll Ultima Hm / Extreme first attempt and defeat all 3 EX in 1 week too probably, not more, with screenshots and everything since y'all so good, the progression in this patch is aimed at good players willin to do a speed kill competition between servers to see who got the biggest ;)

Stop to fail to troll about a not really hard at all raid content compared at what you can find elsewhere on the market. EX bosses already look like tougher than Turn 4.

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Originally Posted by SynMaris

Though with its current route it seems he is swaying from that statement and catering to the "Kawaii" Weeaboo crowd that only cares about the "Kawaii" veteran reward minions, and mounts, all stuff that is frivolous. It's going to bleed subscriptions, but like I said, its become a niche game like XI, it might even die eventually. This game had so much potential, sucks to see it happen. Yoshi lied.

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Well, 1 thing is for sure... there will not be a realm re-reborn to save them this time.

You guys are clueless, rofl. One of the best retention rate atm and it ain't gonna drop down anytime soon.

+ christmas comin ;)

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Gear gear gear! That's all everyone thinks about! Not about the Actual content!

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So gear isn't content now?

Of course it's content otherwise they wouldn't have wasted time to design armors in order to be used with Vanity.

Kitty bittin it's tail much ?

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Of course I'm thinking about the content. The gear is relevant to that--because if the new dungeons have a recommended gearing level of AF and the Crystal Tower has a recommended gear level of 55... these dungeons cannot possibly be difficult and anyone who is wearing Relic+1/AF2/Allagan or even Primal+Darklight is going to blast through them without a shred of a challenge.

The content is completely, totally, absolutely wholly irrelevant if it's not challenging.

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You do know you take off your gear and put on another set right? I see players (myself included) swap out a lower set of gear when running lower level dungeons.

You know , what would keep it simple would be just have a chance to get a random chance if lucky in 100-400 runs get a items level 90 or 95 peace on the boss same stats as coil with a different look on that rare piece from coil. If they did gear right would not need vanity gear. It like they have no clue how to balance the zones for players to play in or for those to get vanity style of gear. Make random for causal and tokens gear for hardcore with higher sets for the hardcore from the random causal.

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Originally Posted by Dagr81

feel sorry for the legacy players that have to wait until 2.2 to get anything worth while
but we all new CT was going to be under coil, and seeing how I have done coil after a week or 2 doing CT we will be back in the same situation

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What does this have to do with being Legacy???

There are plenty non-legacy FCs doing coils you know

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

You guys are clueless, rofl. One of the best retention rate atm and it ain't gonna drop down anytime soon.

+ christmas comin ;)

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SWTOR had 1.7 million subs (that's less than FF boasted last month) immediately after launch in early 2012. They lost 400,000 subs in the following 2 1/2 months. By the month before Christmas they were hovering at 500,000 when the game went F2P. You'd be amazed how quickly these things can unravel. There are myriad options for casual players to choose from, most of them completely free, and to avoid becoming a simple temple of the franchise-faithful this game needs to offer things those other games do not. Things like good, balanced PvP, and challenging, mid-to-large-scale raids. Right now the only thing that makes FF unique is that it's really pretty and has amazing music. That's not enough, in itself, to maintain high retention.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

Wait, what?

Sorry but the tone of the community does not fit with the complaints you are making.

There have been numerous, nauseating amounts even, of threads complaining about there not being enough to do at endgame.

And just because the new content is not at the absolute apex of endgame it's suddenly irrelevant?

Ok, let's conveniently forget for a moment that we were told, since the beginning, that Crystal Tower came BEFORE Coil of Bahamut in terms of progression. And that the reason why it was pulled from the beginning was a major difficulty overhaul because it wasn't supposed to be on par with Coil - which is a manual raid content, where CT was supposed to still be Duty Finder content.

Let's also forget that the vast majority of the populace is not, in fact, super-hardcore and have reach Coil, or even if they have completed the game are in a gear position to coil.

Not to mention the numerous complaints about Mythology caps and the inability to gear other classes progressively...

I'm still left with the glaring question of why any battle content released after launch must absolutely be directed solely at the highest echelon of endgame content is suddenly obsolete and not worth creating or visiting.

Progression-obsession, really is a thing these days... and it's kinda disturbing.

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Well said, and spot on.
I was just thinking as I read this, "The majority of the player base hasn't cleared coil." and you said it for me.

Then I got to thinking about the sheer amount of time it will take me to fully gear all my 50s (All of them) and how nice it'll be to have an option that, while not the highest, will make all my 50s capable of running most content. Again you said it for me.

I also thought, hmm how nice will it be to run something that isn't WP or AK for tomes. I know I know the most efficient way to go is WP, but seriously how many folk complain there's nothing to do after they cap myth in 2.5 hours on Monday? Take the slower path to cap and "experience" something other than a WP speed run, I personally am looking forward to this just for the change of scenery.

I also got to thinking about How nice it'll be to have a new story even if it only takes a day or 3 to run through, at least it'll be fresh. I haven't really had anything new story-wise, except the Lightning event, since 2 weeks after release, curse being a legacy lol.

It's not the devs fault that you don't play more than one job. There are so many threads about how it's impossible to gear more than one job and now we can easily. No lockout content that will be expanded every patch (ie: higher ilvl gear drops eventually) is not something you should write off. I'm stoked to be able to gear up my non-main jobs and have a shot at playing them in more difficult content than AK.

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Originally Posted by Naelle

It's not the devs fault that you don't play more than one job. There are so many threads about how it's impossible to gear more than one job and now we can easily. No lockout content that will be expanded every patch (ie: higher ilvl gear drops eventually) is not something you should write off. I'm stoked to be able to gear up my non-main jobs and have a shot at playing them in more difficult content than AK.

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I'm not angry that I can gear my 2 alternate DoW a little quicker.

I'm FURIOUS that my 5 DoH are hampered in doing so, to the point that I have to run twice as hard and beat the odds multiple times for not as good gear.

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Originally Posted by Naelle

It's not the devs fault that you don't play more than one job. There are so many threads about how it's impossible to gear more than one job and now we can easily. No lockout content that will be expanded every patch (ie: higher ilvl gear drops eventually) is not something you should write off. I'm stoked to be able to gear up my non-main jobs and have a shot at playing them in more difficult content than AK.

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The problem with playing two jobs is completely about the coil lockout. There is little reason to play a second job when its locked out from the content most of the people complaining are doing on their main job. Having i70 for secondary jobs is enough, as those jobs won't be doing coil due to lockouts. So adding in i80 for alternate jobs is largely irrelevant because there is still little use for those jobs, as the coil lockout still exists.

Changing the lockout on coil to be job based instead of character based would erase almost all of the 'secondary job' complaints that exist. As it stands now, the only solution is to pay $2 more per month to upgrade to an 8 character account and roll alts. This is the first game I've played that the player base has actually said that rolling alts is the reason no one should complain about lack of content, I've never seen that posted on other game's forums...

If the only endgame content that "counts" is the one that drops the best gear, FFXIV will never have a lot of endgame content.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

So gear isn't content now?

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Gear is a reward for the content you did. It's not actual content. Gear can get one motivated to do said content ( even if it's bad or not an upgrade even), outside of that gear is only a reward. Nothing more.

I'm a coil raider and looking forward to CT and new dungeons.

Heck, I collected all the titan books even though they were not "upgrades".

So yeah, whats the problem?

Maybe I need to stop trying to have fun. Maybe I should focus purely on upgrades.

I laughed too. Absolutely hilarious. For vanity he says...cmon...what a joke. At least have items that we can turn into crafted items in there to make it somewhat viable.

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Of course I'm thinking about the content. The gear is relevant to that--because if the new dungeons have a recommended gearing level of AF and the Crystal Tower has a recommended gear level of 55... these dungeons cannot possibly be difficult and anyone who is wearing Relic+1/AF2/Allagan or even Primal+Darklight is going to blast through them without a shred of a challenge.

The content is completely, totally, absolutely wholly irrelevant if it's not challenging.

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Except that this only applies if you play 1 class. While it does suck that if your main is ahed of the content progression wise, the game let's us play all classes.

I plan on doing all of it on pld, my main, for fun. Then doing it with mnk blm and war for gear.

I will agree that yoshis response was ... poor

Most people playing the game haven't even reached level 50 let alone entered BC. There is a definite gap between the item level 60/70 content and the item level 90 content. SE is doing the smart thing and filling that gap that will help the vast majority of players that have still yet to get to that point.

Their plan is to add on to both CT and BC every other update. It's only going to be a few battles with this release, not the whole Crystal tower. 2.3 will have additional battles which will most likely be more challenging than the new battles that will be added in the new BC turns released in 2.2.

Yeah... the pvp better be good cuz this whole crystal tower thing is a nail in the coffin for me.

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Originally Posted by Genz

It wouldn't have been a problem if the equipments didn't follow a dumb "vertical progression". :(

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But that would mean they'd have had to have made a deep and involving battle system. Which would then have allowed for a wide variety of "horizontal gear progression", resulting in much more character/job customization and less gear being made obsolete in the long run.



But that'll never happen.

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic

these dungeons cannot possibly be difficult and anyone who is wearing Relic+1/AF2/Allagan or even Primal+Darklight is going to blast through them without a shred of a challenge.

The content is completely, totally, absolutely wholly irrelevant if it's not challenging.

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Making it just another Castrum Meridianum and we know how fun and long that content lasted.

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Originally Posted by Trunks

Things like good, balanced PvP, and challenging, mid-to-large-scale raids. Right now the only thing that makes FF unique is that it's really pretty and has amazing music. That's not enough, in itself, to maintain high retention.

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Funny because this game's number only go up for now after almost 3 months ? Aw, thats right, it just go up. And with 2.1 comin they re gonna most likely gain another bunch of customers, not countin the fact that the "give this key to your friend so he can try it for 7 days" thing isn't even started.

People are just a sad bunch of sad balls always claimin that dark days will be comin, even if facts are purely contradictory to their thoughts. Keep 'em comin.