That example is nothing like what's going on here lol. But if you want to use it, if Coke stopped selling, CocaCola would need to do something to get people back or drop it, Walkers do this all the time and end up dropping a lot of products, anyway enough of food its not even a good example.Quote:
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But no ones been given what they want yet lol I want non-copy-pasta zones, I want new areas, and yet SE refuse to give that.
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05-19-2011, 04:26 AMviion
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05-19-2011, 04:29 AMJennestiaPeople complained for:Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
-Quests
-More Armors and Weapons
-More things to do (NMs to fight for example)
-Better in-game events
-Content
-Communication
So yes, people were given what they complained for. What you want you expect them to do that in a short time, which won't happen. You also started to deny that they're overhauling the game and using it just as an excuse to not give content based on a lot of your latest posts.
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05-19-2011, 04:31 AMLeowildeFail.Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
New areas is not something you can just mash out every other day, especially not without them being copy pasted, and we've seen screenshots of new things in the workings. In the meantime, SE have followed a vast amount of our complaints, and have gradually improved many details, in particular the market wards, which were hell in the beginning. -
05-19-2011, 04:35 AMJinkoSE will recover from it without a doubt, FFXIV on the hand... well I would lean more towards no, there are far too many good current and upcoming MMO's for them to even get a chance of coming back now, PS3 may help but not enough to make a difference.Quote:
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05-19-2011, 04:38 AMLeowildeWith the attitude of many people around here, one may indeed wonder. Thankfully, there are enough of those who knows that attitudes go both ways.Quote:
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05-19-2011, 04:43 AMviionQuests we already had, armors/weapons all copy/pasted excluding corset, more things to do? I dont see this, killed all new 20 NM's in couple hrs, long live content... Ingame events; we've had one different since bells which was go get some eggs, insane took me couple minutes. Content/Communication I dont see, SE is silent as everQuote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
Thats odd since they've had 2 months, TERA introduced new dungeons within 3 months of release. Non copy/pasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leowilde
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05-19-2011, 04:43 AMDemaciaOne can say negative, I'll say realistic.Quote:
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05-19-2011, 04:43 AMJennestiaEven Rift is starting to lose it's luster with many. Tera has begun to lost it's luster with the korean base which is why they're hoping it does well elsewhere or it's game over. They can't even break even currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
So there's "too many good MMOs" coming out but it does nothing if it doesn't pertain to your particular preference. Lots of people want to play a FF MMO and hope XIV recovers, most want to play generic clone B because it's new.
Rift's success was because it was a generic clone that took concepts from XI and many other MMOs just like WoW did at the time - It's nothing new or unique. -
05-19-2011, 04:46 AMJennestiaThis concerete proof you'll never be happy. Your logic was SE has been doing nothing and not giving people what they want, no it's "well they did but it's not good enough" - Basically you're the will never be happy camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
Also, stop ignoring the situations, since you like to hack games based on your neko-sentai posts, I figure you were smart enough to know the difference between an established game that doesn't need fundamental redesigns and a game that does.Quote:
Thats odd since they've had 2 months, TERA introduced new dungeons within 3 months of release. Non copy/pasted.
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05-19-2011, 04:47 AMviionWeird in their recent interview they're stating they're doing very good with over 100k online at a time. And thats 1 country lol. This game doesnt even have near that in all countries.Quote:
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Ah well I'm going to refrain from saying another bad thing, get hooked up on sugar and be all nice until after June or the battle overhaul -
05-19-2011, 04:47 AMStarlordThen go Play TeraQuote:
Originally Posted by viion
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05-19-2011, 04:48 AMJennestiaWhy do you purposefully ignore information to try to have a point? He also stated he can't break even financially unless it does well in JP/NA/EU.Quote:
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05-19-2011, 04:50 AMJinkoRift was crap anyone could see that, I played it for a week in beta and was bored of it.Quote:
Even Rift is starting to lose it's luster with many. Tera has begun to lost it's luster with the korean base which is why they're hoping it does well elsewhere or it's game over. They can't even break even currently.
So there's "too many good MMOs" coming out but it does nothing if it doesn't pertain to your particular preference. Lots of people want to play a FF MMO and hope XIV recovers, most want to play generic clone B because it's new.
Rift's success was because it was a generic clone that took concepts from XI and many other MMOs just like WoW did at the time - It's nothing new or unique.
Tera is failing in Korea because the game is too westernised, Korean MMO players prefer long drawn out grind style MMO's and PVP Tera's progression is more like WoW, with fast leveling and end game content.
It's also worth mentioning that many people left Tera because it launched with no end game, just as FFXIV launched with no meaningful content and the result for both games was the majority of the playerbase leaving.
The good thing with Tera is by the time it come to the US/EU there will be plenty of content.
Aion also died a fast death because it launched with no decent content, I wonder when MMO developers will learn not to rush their games out.
Please stop using this as an excuse, yes SE made a massive mistake when developing this game but the fact still remains it will be 9 months since launch and the game is still barely much better than it was when it came out, sure the UI is faster and the SP gain is better but those are both small fixes.Quote:
I figure you were smart enough to know the difference between an established game that doesn't need fundamental redesigns and a game that does.
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05-19-2011, 04:50 AMviionBut that is obvious :s so im not sure what you're on about? XIV wont break even at all at its current rate lol. Its sad they have to go f2p just to survive while TERA is currently making money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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05-19-2011, 04:52 AMStarlordAgain, go play TeraQuote:
Originally Posted by viion
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05-19-2011, 04:52 AMviionI am playing it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
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05-19-2011, 04:54 AMStarlordGood, Play Tera =) and stop criticizing this game, Apparently your beating a dead horse So why keep beating it? Its one thing bringing it up once but not billions of times to where it gets on peoples nervesQuote:
Originally Posted by viion
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05-19-2011, 04:55 AMFrebaut
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Posts:240Basicly all it going to do is add more lore. It will be the Companies going into these dungens. Its just going to be a story of what it was like in their. It's not going to give any hard details but stories. Kinda like what we have on the Companies when you go to Loadstone.
Its going to be nothing special, just hype with no hard description just like what we got on the info of the Companies.
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05-19-2011, 04:55 AMJennestiaAgain you continue to ignore things lol. This must be a western thing.Quote:
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FFXIV never charged a monthly fee, how did it "go F2P just to survive"? The other part of the interview you left out was that the numbers have been dropping, especially in public places even with incentives to play it there. -
05-19-2011, 04:59 AMElexiaPeople don't leave things alone, rules of the internet. The more you're disappointed or hate something the more you have to troll around the forums of said subject instead of praising the thing you continue to play. If people did that what fun would they have? :DQuote:
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05-19-2011, 05:04 AMJinkoI think his point was that in comparison, Tera is doing much better than FFXIV given that they are making money even if its only some.Quote:
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05-19-2011, 05:05 AMviionDont get the "Western" thing since I don't live in US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
I dont get this? what did you nailQuote:
Originally Posted by Frebaut
I am playing Tera? not allowed to play more than 1 game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
I complained once, and you guys could of just ignored me but instead you was like omgno! A hater! Someone who doesn't like what SE is doing! We must get into a conversation with him and then it seems like he constantly complains when infact he is just replying to your comments!
I am never going to sugarcoat things and never stop saying I'm unhappy with things, dont like it click my name and click Ignore, it is that simple. If you dont want me here, that ignore list does it for you!
And yes Jinko that was my point!
PS. Elexia, I'm on the TERA forums praising and thanking them. But not all the time, they do some stuff I dislike and guess what? I complain too, but more often than not I say nice things because they generally do better with their updates. -
05-19-2011, 05:06 AMStarlordBashing a game is fun? I could Bash games if I wanted to but I find that a waist of my time and non-productive. But I suppose that how things are how in days or has been for a few years but meh.. not my style. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
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05-19-2011, 05:07 AMsketchyou know if u become a journalist u could get paid for that o.OQuote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
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05-19-2011, 05:08 AMStarlordMaybe you should stop complaining all the time, I ignored everyone complaining and whining till now because all it is is repeating the same thing over and over again. Granted you only complained once, that doesn't account for all the 100 times you complained alrighty just sayin'Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
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05-19-2011, 05:08 AMElexiaCan you please explain how it's illogical to assume one company can go ahead with their game because they don't have to waste time redesigning it while the other cannot? It's common sense. So if that's an excuse then game development studios have been using this excuse since the 70s since they pretty much determined you can't progress forward if you have to step backwards to revamp.Quote:
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05-19-2011, 05:09 AMStarlordMy Best friend is being an Author as his career! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sketch
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05-19-2011, 05:10 AMviionSince when are SE redesigning the entire game? If I remember correctly they're only redoing the battle system. The battle system its 1 departments job not all, you dont have a 3D Modeller over there helping fix it lol. If you do then you have a bad employee base because "Jack-of-all-trades" are bad workers.Quote:
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05-19-2011, 05:15 AMMunba
SE is redesigning almost all the aspects (also area graphics for sure). It's not only battle system.. and it passed only 4 months and half. So deal with it. If you want androids work 24h per day, i think it's not possibile.
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05-19-2011, 05:15 AMElexiaUse your head, good god lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
If you have to redesign THE FUNDAMENTALS, you can't build content on what is being redesigned because there's a GOOD CHANCE you can't just "adjust" it later, which is why any content addition that's been added recently, i.e the side quests are utilizing pre-existing mechanics and it's nothing "brand new".
This is why, as Yoshida and everyone else at SE has said, when the Battle System is done, they can finally begin focusing on everything else. They have different teams but you also have to realize they rely on each other. If I'm making animations for a system that on longer exists...then what? -
05-19-2011, 05:18 AMJinkoI feel you missed the point I was trying to make, let me make it simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
Yes SE have to redevelop this game, because they made a mistake, that is their fault (they had so much feedback in beta and they didn't listen to it), Tera in comparison didn't make the same mistakes during development so they don't have to reinvest the time to change a broken game.
Sure things take time to fix and set right but that's stating the obvious, I'm not really sure what you want me to say, thanks SE your doing a great job? I don't think so.
There is two distinct sides to the posts in this thread, one is very understanding and forgiving and the other has had enough and is generally unhappy, neither side is right or wrong but if people want to vent their displeasure then don't take it on yourself to make us feel like we shouldn't be allowed an opinion. -
05-19-2011, 05:19 AMviionI didnt know stuff like that prevents someone from making a new area. :( Poor, poor team. *Cant open 3ds max until new battle system is done!!*Quote:
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05-19-2011, 05:25 AMPhysicthis is not really true, redesigning battle has little no effect on designing clothes, weapons, areas, story. You could say it might effect battle quests, but thats about as far as it goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
The truth is, they are holding back content, because either they want to, or they are having/had had serious issues behind the scenes with workers/management/etc. The game is basically the same game content wise as when it shipped, most of the additions we have now were completed or in development when tanaka left. They have a number of assets in game that they have never used. They have missions and leves completed that they never released. the game already has enough content for a cap raise.
Basically what im getting at, is even if this team has done nothing in 5 months, they have content they could have released just from what was available. Them not releasing content has little to do with battle adjustments, and more to do with a descion not to release any real new content. Most likely, they are saving it for ps3, or for a large announcement and a coordinated marketing push. There is no other explanation why there is stuff in the game already designed, that is not being used. -
05-19-2011, 05:26 AMElexiaYeah you're missing the point purposefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
If the foundation of the game is broken, why would it prevent the map team from working? It can prevent the event team from working if they want to utilize the battle system for the said content they're making. What if the animations I'm working on is to be tied to a system or cutscene that no longer is present?
Seriously, think about it for a second - Look at FFXI, don't you think it kind of SHOWS they could progress XIV now if they didn't have to spend time redesigning shit that shouldn't have been messed up to begin with?
By now, within all 3 MMOs they ran we would be anxiously awaiting our first expansion pack in 5 more months, not waiting for a base system to be remade so they can move forward. -
05-19-2011, 05:30 AMPhysicthere is no reason to change a cutscene due to battle changes?Quote:
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05-19-2011, 05:34 AMJennestiaCorrect. There is however, a reason to do so if you change the renderer of the engine which it was mentioned recently they're doing tweaks to the engine currently - her post said nothing about animations and cutscenes tied to a battle system, the point that I drew was if there's a heavy disconnect between the teams, one team could waste their time doing something which could further delay things.Quote:
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05-19-2011, 05:39 AMDurtiMonkeyToe
Anyone have any ideas about where this new Dungeon may be on the map?
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05-19-2011, 05:50 AMJennestiaThere's a few "Cannot Enter" places around but it could also pull what they did with XI and plop some kind of gateway or portal in an existing dungeons, like say going through Den of Rancor to reach the Sacrificial Chambers.Quote:
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05-19-2011, 06:04 AMShydQuote:
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joo be soo negative all the time.
if you hate SE so much, why do you keep playing their games, and posting in their forums. -
05-19-2011, 06:19 AMMackWith all due respect with all you people who are blindly in love with SE, but there is something called brand loyalty, where you will follow a brand name to the death as if it was a prophet or a god without question...most of you are called irrational consumers, exactly the type of people the corporate world needs. That's why we have so much advertising on T.V., in magazines, in video games, on the internet, hell Youtube was even kidnapped and "corp-orated"...why? because these methods work. Sure plenty of people criticize SE on many things, but do you think they're here critiquing a game 7 months down the road because they hate SE? are you that blind and delusional? I'd rather listen to the rational harsh critics than the delusional zombie sheep any day, because the difference between the two is simple - the critic will always have two sides to a coin.Quote:
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