If SE's banning dataminers, can they finally go after RMT in PF?

It's not disruptive and its not spamming, its not a loophole either. It's just a guy using partyfinder, you just don't like what he has in the info. He can play on as many alts as he wants if he likes too, as you can do the same without me reporting you. lol

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

It's not disruptive and its not spamming, its not a loophole either. It's just a guy using partyfinder, you just don't like what he has in the info. He can play on as many alts as he wants if he likes too, as you can do the same without me reporting you. lol

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Actually If their intent is to bypass people’s blacklists it would become a rule violation at that point.

Yes, anyone can play on their alts when they feel like it. If they're using the alt though to get around being blacklisted by, more than likely, multiple players then they're trying to bypass the blacklisting system. People blacklist others when they don't want to see anything that the person is saying/to avoid their PF groups. Putting up the same 'SELLING RUNS EL OH EL DISCORD#6969' PF group that they do on their main is getting around that. It's still the same person/account.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Well, anyways. Does this mean we can do something about all the RMT mercenaries in PF now, finally? Or more specifically, that GMs can stop ignoring reports about it and properly investigate them?

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GMs don't deal with RMT, RMT is allowed if specifics are kept out of the game, real-money sales for clears don't prop up the botting economy and who do you think is doing the selling? Hint: It's not ice mages.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Also, the people advertising their RMT stuff in PF tie themselves pretty directly to the sales. All you have to do is click the discord link or DM their discord account to get their prices. All the GMs would have to do is follow the link and ask "How much?". I'd bet it would be far less work than SE's sting on the dataminers.

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There have been players linking to Twitch channels that ask for donations or offer services for real money. An investigation could be completed in seconds by searching the link provided and identifying the relevant info. If it wasn't allowed, they would have done something about it by now.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

If they were to investigate all the rmt's in pf they'd have to get access to discord logs and that would open a whole other can of worms which would likely lead to a seperation between discord and ff14 permanently over privacy laws which i dont see happening.

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They could just prohibit the ads from being made in the PF. They removed Feast chat, you're not allowed to openly discuss parsing, they moved the servers for NA data centers several years after the game's release and they shuffled up worlds, causing issues with housing and statics. Prohibiting the ads would negatively affect almost no one, but it would eliminate the spam and help maintain the illusion that RMT is considered a terrible offense.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

At that point look up their character name on the lodestone, if it's someone who doesn't have anything maxed out that's trying to sell runs in the PF, report them for using a loophole to get around your blacklist. It's disruptive and spamming.

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GMs won't do anything about those reports and "spamming" under the ToS only involves chat channels, not the PF.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

It's not disruptive and its not spamming

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You have players intentionally listing ads under incorrect tabs (for more views) for services that require you to contact them outside of the game for more information. Unlike static recruitment, these ads stay up forever.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

It's just a guy using partyfinder, you just don't like what he has in the info. He can play on as many alts as he wants if he likes too, as you can do the same without me reporting you. lol

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Advertising on those dummy accounts allows them to play on their main while advertising, it doesn't tie their FC to RMT activity, it allows multiple people to have access to the account and keep the ad up for longer and it protects their main accounts in the unlikely event that SE starts banning players for the ads (won't happen without a warning).

Use the new PF blacklist function.

Edit:
Patch 5.1 Notes
The following adjustments have been made to the Party Finder:
Players can now blacklist other players actively recruiting party members.
Recruitment listings for players on your blacklist will no longer display.
* An option to enable these listings can be found under Party Finder Display Settings.

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

You have players intentionally listing ads under incorrect tabs (for more views) for services that require you to contact them outside of the game for more information. Unlike static recruitment, these ads stay up forever.

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They don't stay up forever, the person is just refreshing the PF

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

GMs won't do anything about those reports and "spamming" under the ToS only involves chat channels, not the PF.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

You have players intentionally listing ads under incorrect tabs (for more views) for services that require you to contact them outside of the game for more information. Unlike static recruitment, these ads stay up forever.


Advertising on those dummy accounts allows them to play on their main while advertising, it doesn't tie their FC to RMT activity, it allows multiple people to have access to the account and keep the ad up for longer and it protects their main accounts in the unlikely event that SE starts banning players for the ads (won't happen without a warning).

Use the new PF blacklist function.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

Actually If their intent is to bypass people’s blacklists it would become a rule violation at that point.

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Have fun proving that. If they don't admit it in game chat, its legitimate (aslong as they dont mention $$ or €€). What does it help them anyway? People who aren't gonna buy, will not buy later, so they don't care about people blacklisting them.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

Exactly.





Have fun proving that. If they don't admit it in game chat, its legitimate (aslong as they dont mention $$ or €€). What does it help them anyway? People who aren't gonna buy, will not buy later, so they don't care about people blacklisting them.

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If it doesn’t mater to them why do I keep having to blacklist people advertising for the same group?

Either their alts advertising RMT sells are getting banned or they are bypassing blacklists, take your pick.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

If it doesn’t mater to them why do I keep having to blacklist people advertising for the same group?

Either their alts advertising RMT sells are getting banned or they are bypassing blacklists, take your pick.

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Because even people who sell content have a real life and are not 24/7 online and are not bots. Maybe that's why. They could get new member too and old leave the game, take your pick.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Just in case anyone is unaware - SE's stance, historically, has been that they will not accept any form of evidence outside of the game. Screenshots, videos, social media accounts - all of that would not be considered valid.

SE recently superseded this rule, identifying dataminers by their social media accounts and taking action against their respective Square Enix accounts. (I guess it's a good thing those twitter accounts didn't post any screenshots of someone else's character..?)

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I guess SE really is gonna end up going out of business. If they're breaking their own agreements what's to stop them from false advertisement next?

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

I guess SE really is gonna end up going out of business. If they're breaking their own agreements what's to stop them from false advertisement next?

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this is the funniest statement of the whole thread LOL