Tank Balance

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Looks can be deceiving. Bokchoy did a "napkin-math" analysis and concluded the WAR changes result in a net 5% nerf due to their lost potency across the board.

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His analysis is incomplete and napkin at best. He didn't construct the new rotation to math out the actual effects of all the variables involved. Current numbers from The Balance indicate a modest ~3% buff as long as you can fit 5 gcds into IR.

If anything, WARs should be complaining about joining in on the MCH Overheat memes. Missing that 5th gcd in the new IR is going to be huge dps loss.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

I'm pretty sure that SE did lots of testing etc, to make the class easier to play, but not to lower its dps
maybe you should just wait for it, do some parses and see for yourself instead of going hypocrite mode

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Yeah, the same way they tested DRG at 4.0 launch and NIN when it released.

Realistically the WAR changes will make bad/average WARs do more damage because it's become harder to mess up, but people who are already great at the class will see a noticeable dip.

Sucks for tanks though, makes me excited to see if there's a new tank in 5.0 just to see how badly they screw it up then.

Why are people overreacting?
DRK is not bad, let's not forget that it got world first on Ultimate. Is that not good enough?

They are making tanks do the same dps (as if they are not already). But this fixes nothing because in the end people are going to pick a tank with most utility and easier to play.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

Why are people overreacting?
DRK is not bad, let's not forget that it got world first on Ultimate. Is that not good enough?

They are making tanks do the same dps (as if they are not already). But this fixes nothing because in the end people are going to pick a tank with most utility and easier to play.

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being world first means nothing more when the guy how play it was not a tank and lvl up DRK for the fight alone, DRK is the worst tank in every aspect, worst dps, worst defense,utility and movility and SE dont give a s*** about this isues.

being the job how have the worst version of everything is not fun you know?, being able to clear everything dosen't mean balance.

SE thinks DRK does not exist. The WAR changes are also bad in my opinion not because of the DPS output but because it makes WAR very silly to play with and very boring.
DRK after Stormblood lost its mojo. The cool unique shield animations, the Scourge skill and then it lost it's DPS output. It also became unnecessarily complex but without any reward in DPS output or DPS mitigation.
So now DRK is the hardest tank to handle but also the weakest both in DPS output and DMG reduction. It's a bad combination.
I laughed pretty hard when I read the patch notes. The promised "buffs" were just 2 minor changes that are not enough to elevate DRK at all.

The warrior changes seem very bad on paper for raids.I think the changes were made to make warrior more useable by casual players.Ie the fact there is less focus on building up beast gauge now because they can press one button and use the skills multiple times.They increased potency of the moves themselves and also tried to punish new players less fro keeping up storms eye while tanking.
Thats how it looks to me anyway.
Dark in general seems to need a complete overhaul.It looks like SE arent sure where they want the job to fit in.You can see this in the fact that most patches are based o Warrior versus PLD with Dark being pushed to the sideline in terms of changes.

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Originally Posted by shao32

being world first means nothing more when the guy how play it was not a tank and lvl up DRK for the fight alone, DRK is the worst tank in every aspect, worst dps, worst defense,utility and movility and SE dont give a s*** about this isues.

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It means something, alright. It means that you can clear the hardest content in the game faster than anyone else even when playing a job that is, according to many, "the worst in every aspect". It also means that DRK is nowhere near as bad as you and many others are making it out to be.

That doesn't mean that DRK is fine, the job definitely has problems, but I'll say it again: It's nowhere near as bad as HW Paladin and yet somehow people are making a much bigger deal out of balancing issues than ever before. I wonder why.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

They are making tanks do the same dps (as if they are not already). But this fixes nothing because in the end people are going to pick a tank with most utility and easier to play.

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Someone here was already pointing this out. ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

Consequences of parsing and community counting dps.

They are balancing the tanks around that number, it is clear now, since warrior losed like over 5% dps, and PLD about 3%. Nerfing down is also a form of balance, even if none actually likes it.
I will take the bets, next patch notes warrior and PLD will get many nerfs on their utility.

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Originally Posted by aeoncs

It means something, alright. It means that you can clear the hardest content in the game faster than anyone else even when playing a job that is, according to many, "the worst in every aspect". It also means that DRK is nowhere near as bad as you and many others are making it out to be.

That doesn't mean that DRK is fine, the job definitely has problems, but I'll say it again: It's nowhere near as bad as HW Paladin and yet somehow people are making a much bigger deal out of balancing issues than ever before. I wonder why.

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the diference betwen PLD on HW and DRK on SB is after the buffs HW PLD was pretty fine in equal term withs DRK and offer utility while DRK offer some extra dps, but the problem was WAR with they mandaotory eyes buffs and insane levels of personal dps more that anything.

DRK SB on the other hand dont offer nothing, PLD on HW still have things to offer on the table, DRK SB not, HW was more WARs fault that PLD.

our biggest grip about the balance issues is SE apart of promise us a fair balance for the lack of a new job is how they ignore our feedback and data on purpose.

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Originally Posted by shao32

the diference betwen PLD on HW and DRK on SB is after the buffs HW PLD was pretty fine in equal term withs DRK

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Ehm... what? Even during Creator, arguably the jobs best time in HW, their DPS was up to 25% lower than a WARs and up to 15% lower than DRKs. In today's standards that's like doing up to 1,1~k DPS less than one of your job counterparts. In Gordias and Midas the average difference was even worse than that. DRK was also a considerably better MT for 90% of the bosses, with PLD being downright useless in some encounters.

Nice definition of "pretty fine" you got there. But we're going off-topic. The point remains that DRK is perfectly viable and just needs some minor tweaks, that SE isn't willing to do right now for whatever reasons, to be on par.