Ninja damage insane over monk

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Originally Posted by SpecialKK

Utility

A MNK can Silence
A DRG can Stun
A NIN can Stun, Silence, AND refresh TP for a party member

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Some additions:

MNK has mantra
DRG increases BRD damage
NIN increases party damage by 10% for 10s every minute

Edit: MNK also has a permanent INT debuff (whoever cares).

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Originally Posted by SpecialKK

Utility

A MNK can Silence
A DRG can Stun
A NIN can Stun, Silence, AND refresh TP for a party member

Given the versatility of DPS they bring to the table, less positional requirements, and the utility they bring to the table...you just can't beat that skill set. And since groups will likely only bring two melee DPS to most fights, why wouldn't you bring MNK and NIN?

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Mnk can stun (twice with a good Shoulder Tackle) AND silence as I fondly remember solo silencing ADS back in the day and you have Steel Peak.

That's the main problem with these comparison posts, imo. People are always forgetting about or dismissing ALL points of the DRG and MNK. DRG still seems to be the better AOE dps, for example.

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Originally Posted by Rahaya

Mnk can stun (twice with a good Shoulder Tackle) AND silence as I fondly remember solo silencing ADS back in the day and you have Steel Peak.

That's the main problem with these comparison posts, imo. People are always forgetting about or dismissing ALL points of the DRG and MNK. DRG still seems to be the better AOE dps, for example.

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All this does is support my point though. When you look at damage and utility, MNK and NIN looks to be better than DRG.

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Originally Posted by Rahaya

Mnk can stun (twice with a good Shoulder Tackle) AND silence as I fondly remember solo silencing ADS back in the day and you have Steel Peak.

That's the main problem with these comparison posts, imo. People are always forgetting about or dismissing ALL points of the DRG and MNK. DRG still seems to be the better AOE dps, for example.

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Well, frankly for melee dps all the support utility that didn't increase damage and aoe capability were not relevant in scob and this is what was important the last six months (could argue in favor of Mantra). We will see how it works out in the new content.

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Originally Posted by Alphras

Well, frankly for melee dps all the support utility that didn't increase damage and aoe capability were not relevant in scob and this is what was important the last six months (could argue in favor of Mantra). We will see how it works out in the new content.

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My comment was mainly a reaction to 'NIN has too much utility, damage should be low' idea when MNK is right there as top dps with Mantra vs Goad.

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Originally Posted by Leonus

People are overreacting to nin. I'm sure a lot of testing was done damage wise in comparison to mnk. If anything, drg should be brought up damage wise in comparison to where mnk is.

I will say a very good nin will also have really good dps in long fights and it might take longer to catch a nin in damage over a long fight than a drg for a mnk.

I see it like this, drg has really high burst damage, mnk has really high sustained damage. Nin is in the middle.

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add positional potency bonus like MNK over DRG thrust combo, and DRG will dethrone MNK.

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Originally Posted by Rahaya

My comment was mainly a reaction to 'NIN has too much utility, damage should be low' idea when MNK is right there as top dps with Mantra vs Goad.

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Except the utility comparison was not made in regards to MNK vs. NIN, but NIN vs. DRG

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Originally Posted by Alphras

Some additions:

MNK has mantra
DRG increases BRD damage
NIN increases party damage by 10% for 10s every minute

Edit: MNK also has a permanent INT debuff (whoever cares).

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I thought Dragon kicks put a Blunt resistance down and INT resistance down by 10%?
So a mnk can benefit casters, Dragoons benift bard and WAR can benefit NiN?
So an ideal 8 man group would be

WAR
WHM
SCH
BRD
DRG
MNK
SMN/BLM
NIN

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Originally Posted by Empressia

add positional potency bonus like MNK over DRG thrust combo, and DRG will dethrone MNK.

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I think 2.4 is a step towards the right direction for DRG. I don't think it needs more positional requirements to make it more MNK-like. Just give it more off-GCD jumps (or further shorten the cooldown on the current jumps). Could even maybe add some kind of jump that ties into one of the base combo

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Originally Posted by Rahaya

Mnk can stun (twice with a good Shoulder Tackle) AND silence as I fondly remember solo silencing ADS back in the day and you have Steel Peak.

That's the main problem with these comparison posts, imo. People are always forgetting about or dismissing ALL points of the DRG and MNK. DRG still seems to be the better AOE dps, for example.

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Doton craps all over dragon AoE DPS from what I have seen...