Balmung is Homeless on Christmas' Eve. Is this really what you wanted, Yoshida-san?

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Originally Posted by Edellis

The Gil on your server is not the same as the Gil on my server, so that's actually debatable. Which is sort of what this is all about. 4 million might as well be 20 million for me.

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Not True.

The cash my small FC on Durandal has amassed was made without using the market boards. We made this gil from quest rewards, levequest rewards and main scenario rewards. If I recall correctly, those rewards are the same on your server as they are on everyone else's. We have 1.2 million. So, a small house on YOUR cheap-cheapety-cheapest server is exceedingly attainable.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Guilds CAN afford the least costly option, they just don't really want to pay it, especially when they know it will get cheaper and there is still plen-teee of space of available.

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No. They can't. 20 millions (or 40) are a while lot/unaffordable when you don't have over 40-50 members. And there's a large number of guilds that are smaller. Which is why in other MMORPGs entry level guild housing is much more affordable, not to unfairly penalize the playstyle of those that prefer smaller, closer knit guilds.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

There are actually houses built on Balmung (having just checked the zones)

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You should have read the post too, would have saved you the trip. Yes, there are a whole two houses, meaning that the overwhelming majority of the server is homeless. I checked myself before posting.

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

Not True.

The cash my small FC on Durandal has amassed was made without using the market boards. We made this gil from quest rewards, levequest rewards and main scenario rewards. If I recall correctly, those rewards are the same on your server as they are on everyone else's. We have 1.2 million. So, a small house on YOUR cheap-cheapety-cheapest server is exceedingly attainable.

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Problem with this thought: you are now out of almost all quests, out of main scenario, and left only to levequests, but still have 2.8 million to go. Think you'll amass another 1.2 million just as quickly? Very doubtful; you could use the market boards, but sales have slowed to a snail's pace.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

Problem with this thought: you are now out of almost all quests, out of main scenario, and left only to levequests, but still have 2.8 million to go. Think you'll amass another 1.2 million just as quickly? Very doubtful; you could use the market boards, but sales have slowed to a snail's pace.

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Ah, but there is new content in 2.1. New daily beastmen quests. Higher gil rewards for duty roulette. So far, it feels like the cash is coming in quicker for us now than it was before.

If we were on Brynhildr, we'd be happily working towards a FC house, in fact, probably changing our minds and working towards a Medium instead of Small. When the goal is reachable without taking up ALL of your game time, it's a good goal. But with the prices on Durandal, it's out of reach.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

economy isn't really paralyzed, most people on legacy servers just said to hell with it and started buying/selling normally. As the prices come down people may reconsider their options...

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Maybe on your server, but things seem pretty normal on Hyperion.

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You must be on a different Hyperion Server than me.

- Food does not sell like it did before
- Crafting Mats do not sell like they did before
- Crafted Gear does not sell like it did before
- Materia does not sell like it did before | Price dropped drastically
- Philo Mats do no sell like they did before | Price dropped drastically

and so on, etc...

So please enlighten me how buying/selling is currently "normal", it is by far not. I usually made between 700k - 900k Profit a Week, and the last week i did with the very same Items 120k.. ( i am not a "try hard", but i am aiming for a steady income ). I am not worried about my Income, i actually found a couple Items i can sell, to get the same Profit again, but saying that everything is "normal" is simply not the truth. Abriael is pretty much right and that goes esp. for Legacy Servers.

I have no clue how you make your Gil, but obviously not on the Markets.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

No. They can't. 20 millions (or 40) are a while lot/unaffordable when you don't have over 40-50 members. And there's a large number of guilds that are smaller. Which is why in other MMORPGs entry level guild housing is much more affordable, not to unfairly penalize the playstyle of those that prefer smaller, closer knit guilds.

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There are also people who didn't have legacy characters and made them on those servers. My guild was almost on a legacy server (thankfully locking character creation early on caused us to switch in order to get everyone on the same server).

The legacy server's Market Board prices are not 5x's higher than the other servers, maybe they were at launch but that has long since passed. They are very much in line with other servers now. They don't get rewarded anymore for quests than we do. So if they can't sell things for a higher cost than us on the Market Board, and can't get more money from quests than us.. why exactly should their housing be 5x higher at it's cheapest? There is not a way currently in the game to make gil faster than any other server, so their prices are very much out of reach and I can sympathize.

My guild is probably going to be able to afford a medium sized house (which is what we're aiming for) within around 4-5 months. If we were on a legacy server that'd be a small house for the same amount of work.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

And this is pretty much false. Guild housing is definitely accessible at the entry level in most other MMORPGs. The problem is exactly that there's no entry level on FFXIV's legacy servers.

I can't remember a single MMORPG in which an overwhelming percentages of guilds couldn't afford entry level housing upon implementation, and this is made even worse here by the fact that there's no other kind of housing for now.

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Lineage II. Guild halls either required you to win the auctions (which were overpriced), win a castle through castle sieges (for which you needed resources as well as manpower while hoping you don't get double-crossed at any point during the siege) or the PvP forts.

So if you were in a small clan, you better price gauge/RMT/bot your way to riches to try to win an auction (in a game that had a horrid economy due to the Grim Collector bug that NC Soft never took steps to deal with other than fix the quest), because PvP forts were always up for grabs and you could get outn umbered so quickly it wouldn't be even funny. And LOL at any hopes of taking a castle for the aforementioned reasons.

Suffice to say, no we didn't have guild housing obtainable on day 1 of implementation.

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

*lots of truth*

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It's rare that I see a player from a cheaper server group actually understanding the issue. Thank you!!

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Lineage II. Guild halls either required you to win the auctions (which were overpriced), win a castle through castle sieges (for which you needed resources as well as manpower while hoping you don't get double-crossed at any point during the siege) or the PvP forts.

So if you were in a small clan, you better price gauge/RMT/bot your way to riches to try to win an auction (in a game that had a horrid economy due to the Grim Collector bug that NC Soft never took steps to deal with other than fix the quest), because PvP forts were always up for grabs and you could get outn umbered so quickly it wouldn't be even funny. And LOL at any hopes of taking a castle for the aforementioned reasons.

Suffice to say, no we didn't have guild housing obtainable on day 1 of implementation.

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Was pricing different between worlds, or consistent?

The daily beastmen quests will give you about 480g x 6 - cost of teleport if you teleport. You will need to spend all day in duty roulette to pull in some real cash, and that's what... 750 minus repairs, give or take, plus whatever drops in the dungeons. Then if you run any new content, you won't be pulling in gil, just using money on repairs. Yes it can all be positive gil flow, but it's nowhere near fast for people who don't spend 6-8 hours a day in roulette.

The fastest way, I think, may be guildhests. Your point, "When the goal is reachable without taking up ALL of your game time, it's a good goal," is on point, but that's exactly what it is right now. It takes all of a player's focus and time to make money for a house they might be able to afford in months, if they're on a cheap server. On an expensive server... just lol.