Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

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Originally Posted by Colvin

I have a hard time with the idea that people want to get married for "fun". Honestly, that is the kind of stuff you see people doing when they are 10 like playing kitchen. I don't exactly see people 12-22 getting together to pretend to get married outside a game, so I don't know that there is a large population of people who want to do it for that reason. Certainly, the people who are empassioned about the same-sex subject are not in here showing their support for "fun".

Additionally, I don't think you can really call it a "social feature". This makes it seem like there is going to be this regular event where people get married over and over again for fun. It is definately a feature which paints a picture of eorzean society (which is where some of the same-sex arguments come from). But given that they don't have plans to implement devorce (not yet anyways), It definatly speaks to the perminance and importance of marriage as an institute even in a game.

I would also like to state that, on a personal note, such a laissez faire approach to something that I find important conceptually, regardless of the medium, is not only sad but kind of a representation as to why many right-wing individuals view subjects like this as the deterioration of marriage.

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"Fun" doesn't have to mean edge of your seat enjoyment. "Fun" simply means enjoyment of an activity and yes, plenty of people would enjoy it and have fun.

Yes, it is a social feature as it is a social activity. Regular occurrence and social feature are not mutually exclusive to one another. If it is permanent or not is also not relevant to it being a social feature.

On a personal note myself in reply to yours, as one who believes in life long monogamy and finds marriage to be an important aspect of human life that deserves utmost repect, marriage in a video game does not devalue it whatsoever and I find it silly to say otherwise.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

"Fun" doesn't have to mean edge of your seat enjoyment. "Fun" simply means enjoyment of an activity and yes, plenty of people would enjoy it and have fun.

Yes, it is a social feature as it is a social activity. Regular occurrence and social feature are not mutually exclusive to one another. If it is permanent or not is also not relevant to it being a social feature.

On a personal note myself in reply to yours, as one who believes in life long monogamy and finds marriage to be an important aspect of human life that deserves utmost repect, marriage in a video game does not devalue it whatsoever and I find it silly to say otherwise.

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I expect the game to be full of Ex-husbands/wives within the first 5 months, monogamy in the internet? now you took this to a whole new level of LOLWUT

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Originally Posted by Warlock

I expect the game to be full of Ex-husbands/wives within the first 5 months, monogamy in the internet? now you took this to a whole new level of LOLWUT

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I'm sorry, but do you even know what I said? Or are you just trying to get this thread locked?

I would be all for same gender marriage, but on the business side, it is very controversial to have. While some countries embrace the idea and practice of it, other countries who subscribe to the game may have a very strict teachings against it, and because of that, they would not play the game. I don't believe SE wants to put anything in that would run the risk of losing their customers. I am sure if SE could choose without any consequence, they would let you, but I 100% understand where they come from on this, and would decide that myself.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I would be all for same gender marriage, but on the business side, it is very controversial to have. While some countries embrace the idea and practice of it, other countries who subscribe to the game may have a very strict teachings against it, and because of that, they would not play the game. I don't believe SE wants to put anything in that would run the risk of losing their customers. I am sure if SE could choose without any consequence, they would let you, but I 100% understand where they come from on this, and would decide that myself.

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And if they simply don't call it marriage, it's not against anyone's teachings. As others have stated it doesn't even need to explicitly imply any kind of romantic or intimate relationship.

To respond to the idea that implementing marriage here would further deteriorate it:

you don't need a video game to ruin the concept of marriage when you have fools like Kim Kardashian and Britney Spears who already do a fine job of that. Just sayin >_>

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Originally Posted by Vilhem

To respond to the idea that implementing marriage here would further deteriorate it:

you don't need a video game to ruin the concept of marriage when you have fools like Kim Kardashian and Britney Spears who already do a fine job of that. Just sayin >_>

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Plus changing the name means its not marriage :P

Doubt anyone in game is going to complain about the rate of handfast reverts. Lol

Though creating semi binding / probhibitive measures to dissuade making handfast a wonton choice would be nice lol ( Gil prices is one way)

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Originally Posted by Majidah

it wasn't such a controversial topic for bioware when making mass effect titles. I don't see why it should be controversial for se.

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because Bioware is a western game, not a japanese game. Also, they had lesbian sex. Not Gay marriage. Most people, gamers especially, are far more accepting of just lesbian sex.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I'm sorry, but do you even know what I said? Or are you just trying to get this thread locked?

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I'm fairly sure the thread's already been pruned for some of the more inflammatory non-contributions, if he gets too "2cool4tubes" I'm sure the same thing will happen to him
p.s. how does "2cool4tubes" sound as a term for people who like to emphasize their internet lingo in posts in which it has absolutely no context, I'm toying around with a few phrases because using "gb2" gets a little complicated considering all the places people can pick that sort of thing up, "anonycool" and "interedgy" are another couple that I think could have potential

p.p.s. on topic gay marriage wooooo

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

On a personal note myself in reply to yours, as one who believes in life long monogamy and finds marriage to be an important aspect of human life that deserves utmost repect, marriage in a video game does not devalue it whatsoever and I find it silly to say otherwise.

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You can find it silly. I never said I thought it devalued it. What I said was that it fuels the fire that creates the controversy and that THEY think it devalues it. If right-wing conservatives and culturalists didn't have ammo to take issue with it, then they wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Colvin

because Bioware is a western game, not a japanese game. Also, they had lesbian sex. Not Gay marriage. Most people, gamers especially, are far more accepting of just lesbian sex.

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They had hidden files for gay sex/relationship within a few of the games for the non gay sex games. Mass Effect 3 has it out right and visible however.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I don't believe SE wants to put anything in that would run the risk of losing their customers. I am sure if SE could choose without any consequence, they would let you, but I 100% understand where they come from on this, and would decide that myself.

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This is what i have said from the beginning. In the end they will have to decide which one (if either) will loose them more subscribers. I am not convinced that there is enough people who would actually LEAVE the game if it was not implemented. They are going to have to do a far-reaching comprehensive poll to decide this. If there is anything to the advantage of those to actually want it, it is that most people (myself included) who don't support it in real life couldnt care less if it is in a game so they naturally vote to put it in.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

They had hidden files for gay sex/relationship within most of the non gay sex games. Mass Effect 3 has it out right and visible however.

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I don't know what you mean by "non-gay sex games". However, the Mass Effect AND Dragon Age games definately pioneered the controversy. I think, however, they did it for the media exposure less than the acceptance. It certainly got the game all over the media for it. In the end, that is what makes adding the content a good decision.

People need to stop approaching this from an impassioned personal stance and start seeing how you can logically justify the introduction of the feature on a cross-society, cross-ideology platform. If you can find the solution there, then you will have won the argument without having to justify it based on opinion alone.

I really hope they do allow same sex marriages. In ffxi and other mmo I have played nearly all of the marriages I went to were same sex and had to be done outside of the official one because the game did not allow it lol.

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Originally Posted by Colvin

People need to stop approaching this from an impassioned personal stance and start seeing how you can logically justify the introduction of the feature on a cross-society, cross-ideology platform. If you can find the solution there, then you will have won the argument without having to justify it based on opinion alone.

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How does this sound? The introduction of a feature that binds two players in a way that is not explicitly romantic, is not called marriage and simply does not restrict player participation based on gender. I can't think of a reason to oppose a feature that isn't called marriage based on character genders.

Edit: I mean the Valentione's Day event was more controversial than that because it was explicitly romantic. However no one made a big deal because it wasn't taking a stance on same sex anything. It simply didn't restrict player participation.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

How does this sound? The introduction of a feature that binds two players in a way that is not explicitly romantic, is not called marriage and simply does not restrict player participation based on gender. I can't think of a reason to oppose a feature that isn't called marriage based on character genders.

Edit: I mean the Valentione's Day event was more controversial than that because it was explicitly romantic. However no one made a big deal because it wasn't taking a stance on same sex anything. It simply didn't restrict player participation.

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That's pretty much the solution that we have come back around to a few times. I think that is definately the best approach.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

lol Marriage through a game is retarded if you are forever alone go out and date someone doesn't matter your preference, but to get so defensive and hissy fit at the slightest opposition of something so banal added to a game as weddings is ridiculous. If SE feels generous enough to add this i hope they do it at least 5 years from now after they have implemented REAL FUN stuff to do in the game :D

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Are you against the housing and chocobo systems too? Because building houses and raising steeds is also something you could just go out and do in real life. Honestly, this isn't something you're going to be forced to participate in. I don't see why it matters so much to you that it be taken out.

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Originally Posted by Colvin

You can find it silly. I never said I thought it devalued it. What I said was that it fuels the fire that creates the controversy and that THEY think it devalues it. If right-wing conservatives and culturalists didn't have ammo to take issue with it, then they wouldn't.

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FFXIV: ARR is not the first nor will be the last to include this in a video game. They don't make it an issue for other games so why would ARR be a special case?
Also, yes I know you meant right wing individuals. I'm simply identifying with the "values" that people might have for marriage and I'm saying it doesn't bother me one bit to have it be in a game.

2 females can compete to be the "most romantic couple" in the 2012 valentione's day celebration. Condoning the romantic aspect of a gay couple has not been an issue at all from what I can tell. Its just the name. Marriage. If it exists, the question of whether it is MF or MM or FF or all 3 is the OP issue. Based on the votes so far, the odds are 4:1 supporting SSM.

If you want to rename it universally, and anyone regardless of race or gender can participate, that is an option I will not argue. What I do argue is whether "soul couple" or "spirit link" or whatever you call it in the end will be considered the equivalent of marriage, and if it is, what is the point of renaming it?

I support SSM, ingame or out.

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Originally Posted by Keisuna

Are you against the housing and chocobo systems too? Because building houses and raising steeds is also something you could just go out and do in real life. Honestly, this isn't something you're going to be forced to participate in. I don't see why it matters so much to you that it be taken out.

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Wait wut? O.o
In all seriousness this sounds like a desperate cry to be accepted ,you don't need to get married to prove something . If i was you i would worry about this stuff in RL first before demanding a fake version of it in a MMO

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

2 females can compete to be the "most romantic couple" in the 2012 valentione's day celebration. Condoning the romantic aspect of a gay couple has not been an issue at all from what I can tell. Its just the name. Marriage. If it exists, the question of whether it is MF or MM or FF or all 3 is the OP issue. Based on the votes so far, the odds are 4:1 supporting SSM.

If you want to rename it universally, and anyone regardless of race or gender can participate, that is an option I will not argue. What I do argue is whether "soul couple" or "spirit link" or whatever you call it in the end will be considered the equivalent of marriage, and if it is, what is the point of renaming it?

I support SSM, ingame or out.

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The word 'marriage' has a stigma attached to it thanks to a lot of people in the world that deem it should be between a man and a woman only.

So taking the idea, the aspect of marriage and that partnership and naming it something else, even though in essence it's the same thing but includes same sex marriage is a way of shedding some of that stigma.
People could argue "Well it's marriage!" And it could be argued that no marriage exists in Eorzea, but handfasting or bonding instead, so they can keep their precious 'straight onry marriage' and cram it somewhere (politely, of course). To answer another part of your question; Yes, the new name would be the equivalent of marriage^^;


Now pair the rename with say... reworking what the bonding actually is - say for instance you leave it up to the player to define what their pact means to them - Whether it's friends swearing allegiance to eachother, or lovers taking vows, each ceremony could be the same regardless of what oath was being sworn, that could sidestep a lot more fallout too because then SE doesn't have to say "We're allowing SSM", they could say "We're allowing players to Bond, or show their allegiance to eachother." Again shedding the whole 'you're screwing with the sanctity of marriage' crap.


I'd love to see more ideas being pushed around guys! It'd be awesome if SE did read this and take note ;~;


Edit: on a re-read I didn't realize how harsh my post was sounding haha, maybe I need to sleep more and work less! My sincerest apologies if this offends anyone, totally not my intention. Have a great day!

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Wait wut? O.o
In all seriousness this sounds like a desperate cry to be accepted ,you don't need to get married to prove something . If i was you i would worry about this stuff in RL first before demanding a fake version of it in a MMO

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Ok this is just not constructive. If it goes in this direction much longer, you will see this closed.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Wait wut? O.o
In all seriousness this sounds like a desperate cry to be accepted ,you don't need to get married to prove something . If i was you i would worry about this stuff in RL first before demanding a fake version of it in a MMO

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It's nothing of the sort. Please stop making personal attacks Warlock, you've said your piece; we get it - You don't want marriage ingame, but it's being added anyway.

If you have nothing constructive to add here, please move along already. ><

/steak

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Wait wut? O.o
In all seriousness this sounds like a desperate cry to be accepted ,you don't need to get married to prove something . If i was you i would worry about this stuff in RL first before demanding a fake version of it in a MMO

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Why do you keep attacking peoples personal life?

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Originally Posted by Nix

Yes, the new name would be the equivalent of marriage^^;

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you know I'm with you onthis Nix.

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Originally Posted by Colvin

you know I'm with you onthis Nix.

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^0^ Thanks Colvin!

I have thoroughly enjoyed your posts in this thread also, you've got some great ideas and you're also very good at staying diplomatic which is also very cool lol♪


Big thank you to everyone who's been sharing ideas thus far, it's really refreshing to see so many people working together!

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Wait wut? O.o
In all seriousness this sounds like a desperate cry to be accepted ,you don't need to get married to prove something . If i was you i would worry about this stuff in RL first before demanding a fake version of it in a MMO

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I already do worry about IRL marriage, actually, and I've already made my case in this thread for why the way SE deals with the marriage issue is important in real life. (Yes, issues that are addressed in our entertainment can influence our perception of reality.)

If you'd like to see it you can go back and look for it (I'd say about page 70 or so), but I really would rather not waste time explaining my position to you when you confuse "raising a steed in real life" and "raising a chocobo in real life". No offense, but if you can't be bothered to read the whole sentence, I don't see our conversation going very far.

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Originally Posted by Nix

It's nothing of the sort. Please stop making personal attacks Warlock, you've said your piece; we get it - You don't want marriage ingame, but it's being added anyway.

If you have nothing constructive to add here, please move along already. ><

/steak

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I'm just gonna say this. Seems like i can't express my opinion on this matter as long as it is against it and multiple times i have been told "It will be added anyway, nothing you can do" yet the development team already took a decision about how the animations will be in ARR and they confirmed this decision with a rep response yet plenty of people wont accept it and wont shut up about it till they see it changed. See how you are biased here? that's all i had to say.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

I'm just gonna say this. Seems like i can't express my opinion on this matter as long as it is against it and multiple times i have been told "It will be added anyway, nothing you can do" yet the development team already took a decision about how the animations will be in ARR and they confirmed this decision with a rep response yet plenty of people wont accept it and wont shut up about it till they see it changed. See how you are biased here? that's all i had to say.

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I'm not biased on it whatsoever, you're welcome to your opinion, but as the first post/topic of this thread states; it's not 'should marriage be in the game' but 'should same sex marriage be in the game', so your posts aside from being inflammatory are also offtopic.
You are welcome to make a thread asking people if they want marriage in the game or not, but here (in this thread) is not the place to air your grievances about it.

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Originally Posted by Nix

I'm not biased on it whatsoever, you're welcome to your opinion, but as this thread title states; it's not 'should marriage be in the game' but 'should same sex marriage be in the game', so your posts aside from being inflammatory are also offtopic.
You are welcome to make a thread asking people if they want marriage in the game or not, but here (in this thread) is not the place to air your grievances about it.

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Thank you for overtly stating that what Warlock is sharing, while potentially worthy of being another topic, it is a distraction from the OP topic.

No more off-topic, please.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

I'm just gonna say this. Seems like i can't express my opinion on this matter as long as it is against it and multiple times i have been told "It will be added anyway, nothing you can do" yet the development team already took a decision about how the animations will be in ARR and they confirmed this decision with a rep response yet plenty of people wont accept it and wont shut up about it till they see it changed. See how you are biased here? that's all i had to say.

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Think you have a right to express your opinion on this matter, but like you also have to remember this is an mmo. People play it for different reasons, if you want to stand around uldah for 10 hours in a bathing suit with a dated iron lance out. Sure whatever thats your perogative. It doesnt give that experience more or less value than a person who has all the relics, penta melds and is just super elite. omg. Same goes for the cheesy couple, like you said. They have every right to do what they want, just like you do. We play for different reasons, and SE is trying to cater to everyone.

Fyi: couples hook up in this game all the time, its like a dating service for nerds =p

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Originally Posted by Gugnir

Think you have a right to express your opinion on this matter, but like you also have to remember this is an mmo. People play it for different reasons, if you want to stand around uldah for 10 hours in a bathing suit with a dated iron lance out. Sure whatever thats your perogative. It doesnt give that experience more or less value than a person who has all the relics, penta melds and is just super elite. omg. Same goes for the cheesy couple, like you said. They have every right to do what they want, just like you do. We play for different reasons, and SE is trying to cater to everyone.

Fyi: couples hook up in this game all the time, its like a dating service for nerds =p

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<333
It's true, I met the love of my life in this game ^_^ and I'd love to marry him in it

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Originally Posted by Kye

<333
It's true, I met the love of my life in this game ^_^ and I'd love to marry him in it

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and outside of it!

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Originally Posted by Gugnir

and outside of it!

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I love you! ^o^

Just liked this entire page! I'm affraid too much positive energy on these forums is going to bring them down, oh noez!

On-topic, it's funny to see people still "NOT WANTING" it to be introduced, when it is certain we will have marriage, whatever that ends up being. There will also not be benefits, if FFXI's marriage is anything to go by. It'll be a dorky event where people can practice a fictional wedding. And that's okay, because nobody is getting hurt and nobody is going to feel offended when they see me marrying my Roegadyn husband.

Also plan on spending my honeymoon in the "Limsa Honeymoon Paradise". Will post pics!

... soooo....adorable... you cant say no to 2 lalafell who love each other with that much passion o_o/

I will make sure to film (fraps) my entire marriage to Thancred so that you may all enjoy it and be jelly '-'


...and the honeymoon will be somewhere in Gridania <_<

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Originally Posted by Kye

<333
It's true, I met the love of my life in this game ^_^ and I'd love to marry him in it

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I met my r/l husband in FFXI! haha

I wish you two the best of luck and I hope your ingame and r/l weddings go awesomely!♥

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiKayla

... soooo....adorable... you cant say no to 2 lalafell who love each other with that much passion o_o/

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it's so cute I'm feeling a little nauseous
I have a very weak tolerance for sweet flavors you know

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Originally Posted by LemmingKingXXX

it's so cute I'm feeling a little nauseous
I have a very weak tolerance for sweet flavors you know

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tell me about it I prefer spicy things my self~ the hotter the better o.o/ chips n salsa over cookies anyday~