Because basic trade in-game currency should not be the answer to this... And well, it's just a joke asking what they are asking. For a feature such as this, specially after all the advertising they did about it, and how they said that 5 to 10 POOR people could buy the smallest one, lol.... Now it doesn't have to be that extreme, but it doesn't have to be that outrageous either. With the numbers Yoshida said in his response the big majority of the players will not get to even experience this content until a long time from now, when new content should be the boom, and not 3 month old stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by RamzaBehoulve
It has been said, they also said they were worried about reselling and stuff, but why even make a plot tradeable? The benefits should still not matter enough (like selling your own premade house, but that wont happen cause you can't sell it with stuff in it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadana
So it just seems like excuses.
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12-18-2013, 11:11 PMNeruMew
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12-18-2013, 11:17 PMArriverderciHouses should be obtainable and for most to have. One of the strong points on this patch, and most of us can't even get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luhy
It's fluff content. They are not meant to be hardcore. Sure, make a bit challenging but come on man.
How backwards can you get? The gear in this game is a snap to get.
Meanwhile, what should be casual and a side thing to do is insane to get.
Over a FC house that one person has control over, and you can get kicked out any time.
Jooooooooooooke.
I have no idea what they are even doing to this game some of the time.
All I see are BS excuses everytime I turn around.
"Don't want people to buy all the plots." Restrict plots 1 per FC then....Dur.
"We didn't have enough time to add more servers." You had plenty.
"We gave the pricing 3-4 days before the patch, so we didn't collect much feedback."
Th Holy Grail of it all is that one bolded. This is what you get when you release junk at the tail end of it all.
Gives us asshole prices, tells us "well in 3 months..." What a waste of resources for Housing is right now.
I'm sorry, I'm not on this game 24/7 to mindlessly Gil grind. -
12-18-2013, 11:19 PMCubesterNo, most people can't. Not even in the long run. You've got it easy, as do I, because we're on a relatively cheap server. But 40 million gil for a small sized plot is ridiculously expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by RamzaBehoulve
Also, I'd appreciate it if people stopped using the argument that we want large sized plots, because in fact most people don't. I think a lot of people were aiming for medium, since that's a good size for an FC house, but it turns out they can't even afford the small sized plots. Not now, not in 3 months, and most likely not in a year. -
12-18-2013, 11:22 PMT2teddy
Why is anyone even talking about 'housing' costs???.
The prices are ONLY for the land the houses will be built on.
They don't have houses.
WE have to buy each and every part of the buildings and put them together. THEN start putting furniture and such in them. Have y'all looked at the cost of any of THAT yet?
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12-18-2013, 11:32 PMArriverderciBecause we're taking stuff step by step. Can't even look at the furnishings right now, we're too busy pissed off about the damn house price itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by T2teddy
So buying the house, peoples will be bankrupt lmao. Time to go back to Gil grind for a plant that probably costs 1 gagillions.
Yoshi totally forgets about the furnishings too.
He too busy crying tears about how he can't do this and that. This was a supposedly good patch for Carpenters.
Too bad they won't have much role till 2.3..where P.Housing is suppose to have fair prices or when they fix these sad prices.
I can only pray the 12 P.Housing won't be so bad. -
12-18-2013, 11:40 PMShaoneMostly speculative pricing really. Seems like all the bits can be crafted, haven't figured out where some of the materials come from yet, but I'm sure they won't be too hard to acquire.Quote:
Originally Posted by T2teddy
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12-18-2013, 11:42 PMAmnesiaHaze
for me it isn't about the ridiculously expensive house anymore which i frankly didnt needed so far and can live without (although it would be a nice addition if having access to and influence my decision if to keep playing maybe)
its about the whole principle of hyping a new game feature for months and on the day they release make it virtually non existent for most players , this is what makes me sad , we have to give feedback because this not acceptable , today it was houses , next time it may be something more important we dont get a chance to experience -
12-18-2013, 11:59 PMChichicha
Furniture expensive, because none of the crafters care enough to make them, while most of them pissed at this ridiculous unreasonable excuse (avoid weathier players buy up all the plots, while they don't limit each FC can only occupied 1 Plot of land, which it is not necessary to have super extremely high prices out)
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12-19-2013, 12:02 AMHEC
What many here fail to realize is the terrible domino effects of this ourageous FC Housing pricing on (already colapsing) game's economy:
- People will now hoard even more money to be (maybe) able to afford crappy FC shack thus spending less on Maket boards and decreasing the income of others (I can already see a huge drop in sales since patch notes release on our server!)
- The promissed "bloom" of the crafters and gatherers due to the FC Housing turned instantly in the doom - both because the point above as well as nobody will be buying any housing items any time soon as they have no use for it and once they'll have use for it (in about 3 to billion months) they'll have no finances left o purchase it anyway - so basically there will be a couple of totally basic, empty and unequipped FC houses just to show of and bunch of empty plots ...
- people instead of helping each other for free will start charging for everything, making the poor players even poorer and those rich unscrupulous ones even richer thus even more widening the gap.
- RMT will profit like never before and with non-existent / fictional RMT "task force" they have nothing to be affraid of at all. Once the SE WILL eventually catch up and start seizing the plots and houses because (maybe) one or two FC members used RMT gil it will create even more chaos and outrage.
Well done (NOT)!
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Ahh - I've got banned here once already as well - tax for "freedom" of the speach I guess. Not really sure thought how not being able to post here for 10 days will really "punish" anyone (if anything it's more of a relieve haha) but whatever ...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeruMew
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12-19-2013, 12:12 AMNeruMewYup, once all this gil gets drained out of the economy, I fear everything will be both, TOO cheap, and too hard to afford lmao. Cause we'll see that 20kgil will be much more worth than the mere scrap change it is now, and no one will want to pay that for anything, cause they'll be completely broke.Quote:
Originally Posted by HEC
And lol... special task... lol... well last time I posted something similar to this, derpity derp! BAN HAMMER! (cause apparently you can't speak very openly, I wonder if I'm saying too much... -shivers-)
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12-19-2013, 12:36 AMRowellKataan
Last night, I patched and fired up my EverQuest 2 account...and promptly walked through my house that I obtained simply for completing a quest in the beginning levels of the game.
After that, I patched and fired up my Star Wars: The Old Republic account...and promptly walked through my startship, which I obtained after gaining level 16 and completing a quest.
And after that, I hopped over to the WildStar web site and read up on the extensive functionality of player housing in the game.
Finally, I logged into Final Fantasy 14 and ran to the FC Housing neighborhoods just to check them out. I ran through the areas, marvelled at how beautiful the landscape was.
I then read the placards and the pricing. 8million....20million..100million. I came to realize that not a single lot had a house in it.
I shed a single tear for the villanous rampage SE took to a staple of MMO's. -
12-19-2013, 01:41 AMRyv
I'm trying to find an ounce of logic for prices aside a possible average for all on a group of servers and all the players, effectively equating to a spread of the few tumultuously wealthy players/guilds on servers and the rest of population, and I only take partial stock in the possibility of an attempt to "catch more RMT" or something similar.
If so, with the massive detriment prices look to have going forward, I then question the mentality of devs for the matter and on the matter.
There's also the line from a previous Live Letter making mention how (paraphrasing) "saving up should be enable a small house."
Comments from Yoshisan include preferring choices be permanent like in real life, while still having choices.
Let that simmer for a moment, in an MMO.
It's as though between the proverbial rock and hard place: a stellar experience with phenomenal comrades and exhilarating game play from genius and genuinely intuitive intellect for immersion --- and budget hardware (apparent from many issues on technical side, SE-side positional lag, etc.) and policies that seem similar to business tactics used in Japan today at large utilizing the controlled hype of product for longevitous means to an end, and a general attitude of promoting in earnest those who excel while forsaking all others.
It seems personally a rife air favoring elitism and concrete dedication that bypasses much of the reality we occupy is very much present, but I could be wrong, but would verily appreciate Yoshisan's sentiment on this ordeal rather than ignoring it in public forum like as thus. -
12-19-2013, 02:06 AMKhaliev
I can understand the pricing and the reasons for it. Personally I wasn't really expecting to get a FC house anyways. I'm far more interested in the personal housing and like many others in this thread are glad that the pricing for personal houses will be more affordable. I look forward to crafting furniture for my house and decorating it. Looking forward to that update for sure.
P.s Lotsa great new stuff in 2.1, Thanks Yoshi! -
12-19-2013, 02:11 AMJennaveveism
Just going to say this. How the holy hells even when I hit 50 on any class or all classes afford a house plot unless I've been playing for x amount of years afford this? No one can afford a 8 billion gil plot unless they are CONSTANTLY making money off their professions. Its nice to look at, there are no houses as far as I've looked, it made me a bit disappointed that I may never afford a house in the future. Where a poor player kicks dirt and never gets anywhere. Thanks SE for making Gil sellers profit more just for someone to afford a house, then get banned because they were tempted to buy gil from a gil farmer. It's a Vicious Circle lol.
Not like I actually buy gil. Im too broke. I bought crysta just to afford an extra month of XIV... -
12-19-2013, 02:11 AMTheDeathWish
They should just make the plots free and then thats problem solved then no one is paying more or less and everyone paying for the game can have access to it.
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12-19-2013, 02:31 AMsaber_alterhttp://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1685344Quote:
Originally Posted by timwind
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12-19-2013, 02:49 AMLeira_RaineSame, wasn't expecting to get an actual FC housing. Because... well they are for FCs. I can only think of the arguments brewing about the interior decorating between FC members, so it kind of puts me off. HOWEVER, I do look forward to personal housing, and I'm glad it will be way less expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khaliev
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12-19-2013, 02:57 AMTraekThey said FC housing was going to be far less expensive as well. Good luck with that. When all that gil is still in circulation in 3 months when they supposedly release personal housing (because no one can afford an FC house, even in 3 months it'll be a stretch) do you truly think they'll not apply similar logic? I'm sure it'll be less expensive!! Instead of 20mil for the cheapest/smallest *land plot* on my server, they'll prob start it at 10mil instead. Much more affordable! Please look forward to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leira_Raine
Don't worry though, I'm sure in 3 months of saving you'll be able to afford that as well. I wouldn't save up now, as more gil in your bank means they'll jack up prices for your personal house starting price as well. Good luck! -
12-19-2013, 02:59 AMTrystWildkeyOf course it's fine in your opinion, you are on one of the cheaper servers. Please, please, at least TRY to see it from the point of view of someone on the more expensive and most expensive servers. This is NOT attainable unless they drastically change the prices in 3 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oats
Reposting my earlier comparison to try to elicit some empathy:
What if you chose a Legacy server because your friends were there. But due to the Legacy server having a higher population that already had relics, they decided to slow down this progression for everyone. Now, instead of going through the same amount of effort to get a relic as other servers, because you're on Legacy and other players already have them, you have to win Chimera 10 times instead of 1. You also have to beat each hard primal 10 times as opposed to 1. You have to get the base weapon and meld it 10 times instead of just 1.
But, that's not fair!!! Oh, but you see, there are so many people that already have relics, even some players that have a relic for every job, so you see, we needed to limit the number of people that got relics. So sorry, these requirements will ease up in the next 3-6 months. In the meantime, enjoy the rest of the content! -
12-19-2013, 03:00 AMTohruHonda
In this game everything is pretty well accessible to even the casual players. So why all of a sudden do they come out with these insane plot prices that no one can even afford. No one even wants to buy right now. It's infuriating, I don't understand what they are trying to do by keeping housing off limits for most Free Companies.
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12-19-2013, 03:14 AMReinheart
A> New players on new worlds
B> Players existing from 1.0 playing on Legacy World
C> New players who started on Legacy world
Person A, B, and C walks into a burger joint and orders the exact same combo.
Store to A ) Your order comes out to $8.50, thank you
Store to B ) (Hey this guy lives in that rich area, he must be rich) Your order comes out to $850.00 thank you
Store to C ) (This guy lives next to B so he must be rich too) Your order comes out to $850.00 thank you
How is this fair? -
12-19-2013, 03:44 AMBlack_Pearl
The fact is, I don't care if X-player have 300 milions. So because this guy have 300 milions we "poor" ppl have to pay high price? I repeat, you calculated server economy and shit, but the hell I care about server economy, in my FC probably wont even reach 5 mil (you say enjoy contents, but if we enjoy contents where we get money then?)! Me and some FC friend was gather money for FC housing (pre-update) but, hi, there's no money incoming. Even philo items dropped in prices. Oh by the way SE, is fun to enter in that area full (empty) of that so many housing plots... and not a single house "installed". Good job I say.
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12-19-2013, 03:58 AMRisaeIn Squares mind it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinheart
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12-19-2013, 04:01 AMvanadiel007
I just had a simple question for Mr. Yoshida: how can there be a significant amount of players with several million gil on non-legacy servers? Does this mean there is a huge amount of gil in circulation on non-legacy servers? And if that is the case, where did all this gil come from, keeping in mind gil does not drop from mobs
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12-19-2013, 04:08 AMDarthDeleriumQuote:
Originally Posted by naardejood
B O O M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Real Life sucks. -
12-19-2013, 04:13 AMTheDeathWishI think they are calculating all the RMT bots and traders with all the gil, dont get me wrong they are keeping up well but not everyone wants to spend game time reporting RMT. Its not our job to find them. maybe if they made it more focus to get ride of bots on markets then we might acutually might make something. need a retainer report sub command. but the only people and i will say again are FC's such as Excel that could ever afford these prices. Selling Titan Runs for 200k.Quote:
Originally Posted by vanadiel007
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12-19-2013, 04:18 AMSunarieI think they are too.. I mean, they took 10% off to account for RMT, but I really don't think that was enough. I have seen a lot of bots, both underground teleporting guys, and a person running in the exact same pattern in Coerthas for -days- (who conveniently is stopped by trade requests), go unbanned entirely. Even after several people had reported the person. Gil tells are on a huge rise, at least on my server, for the past couple weeks which would also lend to them having tons of gil. It just doesn't seem like they're that good at catching them except maybe during their mass bans, but those are so far between that the amount of money they make before those happen has to be more than any honest player can dream of making.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDeathWish
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12-19-2013, 05:01 AMEdellis
I'm assuming legacy players existed in a time before the current economy existed, giving them access to gil in circulation that came from places out of Square's ability to put any practical balance to. I'm guessing the preemptive changes by dividing their gil + the calculations of these housing costs got skewed somewhere?
This community complains about things it really shouldn't be complaining about. The amount of servers in a reboot of a failed game? Seriously? ARR had a successful launch, better install a crapload of servers in hindsight of a problem we have no hindsight of. I've played games that are exponentially worse than this one in every aspect and people find less to cry about.
Whether or not they correctly calculated the amount of Gil in circulation seems to be suspect, but i guess that's just what we're gonna have to wait and see. But the amount of people pretending that this sort of ordeal is trivial to handle is troubling. -
12-19-2013, 05:09 AMEorzean_Moglol This. Everytime they release an update on the RMT and the actions taken against the accounts, I go to my Blacklist, and I MIGHT get one "deleted", but the last few updates, none have been deleted. Getting closer to that 200 limit...Quote:
Originally Posted by T2teddy
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12-19-2013, 05:18 AMEanosh
I just only wonder why with gil, and why not with Free Company points, maybe the math is correct and all should be able to buy as a FC but, why not use Free Company Points for it.
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12-19-2013, 05:22 AMRoflcoptorz
I'm still amazed by the number of people who still don't understand the main issue. Lemme try this again:
All the talk about economy and RMT and how housing prices are high because of that IS A LIE. There may be a small amount of truth to it, but overall it is a lie/ extreme exaggeration which SE is using to hide the truth.
The Truth is FC housing IS NOT READY. By making the prices artificially high, they are ensuring the housing servers don't get swamped and crash. SE failed to stress test/ set up enough servers for every FC to have a house. So now they set an artificial barrier to prevent this from happening. It has nothing to do with economy or RMT. The content they released isn't ready. Remember launch? Except instead of not being able to log in, you aren't able to purchase a house.
Why you ask? Because instead of saying, sorry we missed another deadline, they can point the finger at someone else. -
12-19-2013, 05:27 AMSayura_ARR had a successful launch?....did you sleep through those 2 weeks of not being able to log in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Edellis
Housing launched 3 months after the initial login server fiasco. They knew the amount of subscribers and server populations giving them the information they need on server usage for housing. This is not hindsight; this is 3 months of data. -
12-19-2013, 05:34 AMMolly_MillionsThere was only one day where I was not able to log in and there was no maintenance, and that was for about 90 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sayura_
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12-19-2013, 05:35 AMSayura_Oh? You don't remember clicking start, login, over and over and over again? Perhaps you AFK'd the entire two weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Molly_Millions
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12-19-2013, 05:39 AMEthanParcival
Oh, someone already posted a video in youtube of a certain historic german leader just learning about the housing prices... Yeah, I felt the same way when I read the patch notes the first time...
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12-19-2013, 05:41 AMMolly_MillionsIt was troublesome, yes, but I got in every single time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sayura_
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12-19-2013, 05:44 AMTrystWildkeyYeah...Quote:
Originally Posted by EthanParcival
First I was openmouthed in disbelief.
Then I was angry.
Then I just got really sad and discouraged. It's another impossible lockout, and that's the reason I finally left FFXI. Unless you started from the beginning and kept up with everything OR if you had a big, solid, dependable group, you were forever playing catch up. I didn't want to be playing catch up here. That's why I worked so hard at all my crafting levels in 1.0 and why they were the first thing I finished in 2.0. My husband did the gathering classes. I chose Paladin, he has White Mage leveled, so it would be easier for us to form groups. We took gil rewards from every quest, crafted everything we needed for ourselves and did everything we could to NOT be left behind. And now, because we played the game and happen to be Legacy, we're locked out of housing for the foreseeable future.
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12-19-2013, 05:46 AMApolloGenX
So they hide their unpreparedness behind unfairness and point to cheaters as the reason for their miscalculations.
This is not a company that conducts itself with honor.
I am very disappointed with how this is being handled. (I am a fan of the game, but this behavior truly saddens me) -
12-19-2013, 05:46 AMTraekWhile I think you are right, and its 95% chance this is the real issue, this is not what SE stated. People are just picking on the *FACTS* SE placed in front of them. Many are just calling Yoshida's B.S. Now if he had come out and said, "We don't have server capacity, and are delaying it further" people would then address the *FACTS* put in front of them there. The problem with speculating and assuming is, well, that they are speculations and assumptions. People don't just clamor behind those. Unfortunately for Yoshida, he chose something terrible to try and justify their decisions with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roflcoptorz
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12-19-2013, 05:49 AMEdellisThis is exactly what im talking about. An unexpected amount of server stress from player activity = unsuccessful launch? On which planet, can I ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sayura_
The amount of data you can get from something doesn't create an infinite pool of money or resources (or "hindsight") to adequately deal with an issue. And that's assuming that the current housing problem is even a server issue -- that just sounds like another corporate evil theory from people who like to complain about stuff.
Whatever the real issue is, you guys just don't know. I haven't even been playing this game for a month and I can tell, it handles alot more server activity than your typical MMO would. I understand that many typical players wouldn't understand that type of thing, but the QQ is still a bit baffling.