Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

You know what else I was thinking. Inbefore vieras and hrothgars get more hairstyles we will probably see more hairstyles added to the other races......

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I would have been perfectly fine without male viera. I would have liked to have been able to play my veena AND look forward to seasonal events, AND hairstyle rewards.

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I really think it can't be that simple. There's no reason for them to withhold purchased Mog Station hairstyles and other new styles if modifying them is a straightforward business and they go to the effort for Miqo'te.

Surely it must be something in how the data is stored and accessed rather than just that the models won't work and can't be adapted. And if it is, then it's a problem that will persist even if they add new Viera-specific styles.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I really think it can't be that simple. There's no reason for them to withhold purchased Mog Station hairstyles and other new styles if modifying them is a straightforward business and they go to the effort for Miqo'te.

Surely it must be something in how the data is stored and accessed rather than just that the models won't work and can't be adapted. And if it is, then it's a problem that will persist even if they add new Viera-specific styles.

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I believe they mentioned along the way its because of how Viera heads are modeled...like they modeled it in a different way compared to the other heads in the game which doesn't really play that well with the system they have for implementing hats and hairs (which is what we can all reasonable conclude is the reason for the major graphics engine upgrade/overhaul that is coming....whenever)

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

You know what else I was thinking. Inbefore vieras and hrothgars get more hairstyles we will probably see more hairstyles added to the other races......

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I believe that 100% because thats whats been happening already T_T

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Originally Posted by Akimori

I believe they mentioned along the way its because of how Viera heads are modeled...like they modeled it in a different way compared to the other heads in the game which doesn't really play that well with the system they have for implementing hats and hairs (which is what we can all reasonable conclude is the reason for the major graphics engine upgrade/overhaul that is coming....whenever)

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There was another recent interview quote posted on the forum clarifying that they are NOT working on a graphics upgrade at this point, simply looking into the possibility, but people misinterpreted the original statement.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

There was another recent interview quote posted on the forum clarifying that they are NOT working on a graphics upgrade at this point, simply looking into the possibility, but people misinterpreted the original statement.

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well, thats why I stated "whenever" and with the recent interview, it seems they want to implement all hairs, but this system is a roadblock, so I at least thought it would be at least another 2 years before t he fabled graphics update

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Originally Posted by Akimori

major graphics engine upgrade/overhaul that is coming....whenever)

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and when is this magical thing happening? I feel like I keep seeing it everywhere?

I don't think it has anything to do with their heads since modders have ported all hairs and most of them look fine (gyr abania plait/2bs hair clips a bit with the ears). I think they just decided not to since it would be bad to do it for viera and not hrothgar where they would actually have to put in effort. Considering they keep fixing hairs for miqote and aura I think they just dont want to, not that they cant.
I am honestly expecting them to release a bundle of hairstyles for the two races, instead of one here and there. And I think they actually did a bad thing saying they were gonna do race-exclusive hairs to begin with since that is more effort than just adding the same hairstyle to all races. Now instead of just designing one hairstyle they have to design at least three. It wouldve been more efficient to just adapt the one hairstyle to fit the two races.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

and when is this magical thing happening? I feel like I keep seeing it everywhere?

I don't think it has anything to do with their heads since modders have ported all hairs and most of them look fine (gyr abania plait/2bs hair clips a bit with the ears). I think they just decided not to since it would be bad to do it for viera and not hrothgar where they would actually have to put in effort. Considering they keep fixing hairs for miqote and aura I think they just dont want to, not that they cant.
I am honestly expecting them to release a bundle of hairstyles for the two races, instead of one here and there. And I think they actually did a bad thing saying they were gonna do race-exclusive hairs to begin with since that is more effort than just adding the same hairstyle to all races. Now instead of just designing one hairstyle they have to design at least three. It wouldve been more efficient to just adapt the one hairstyle to fit the two races.

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I agree with you there, but as someone pointed out, yes, modders were able to do it, but, from what I see, they're slapping the hairs right on the head and resizing them (which is what SE should do instead of making everything harder on themselves), but once again, the systems they use for it doesn't really make it that easy (which begs the question on why they decided to "model the heads differently" if it were going to cause such a big problem for them in the first place from a technical standpoint (barring the criticism from the playerbase)

Honestly speaking, as much as I love my bun queen and my lion man, I think it would have been better if they probably revealed Hroth and viera before SB launch (or not..who knows), but didn't actually release them until EW. Heres my reason why

Revealing them would have let the playerbase know that they're working on 2 races that could very well be the last racial update this game could see for a very long time if not forever

but they could have used like a year to make M and F viera (Animations, models, racial specific hairs, and any other assets they have), another year to make M and F hroth (Animations, models, racial specific hairs, and any other assets they have). Creating the 4 models would have taken the entirety of the stormblood Expansion. They they could have used the two year lifecycle of ShB to iron out any details and possible issues that would arise with them. I would have rather waited 4 years for a new race to be seen to completion rather than a race that still feels like beta (Viera) and another race that still seems like its in Alpha stages (Hrothgar) to be released

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I don't think it has anything to do with their heads since modders have ported all hairs and most of them look fine (gyr abania plait/2bs hair clips a bit with the ears). I think they just decided not to since it would be bad to do it for viera and not hrothgar where they would actually have to put in effort. Considering they keep fixing hairs for miqote and aura I think they just dont want to, not that they cant.

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If it's so easy to fix, I have a hard time believing they'd rather put up with years of scorn over this than go to the small effort of pasting bunny ears onto things.

Also there's no modification needed for Au Ra because their horns sit in the same position as human ears so it doesn't affect the hair unless there's some kind of issue with the individual design. It's only Miqo'te that needs anything added to it.

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Originally Posted by Akimori

I agree with you there, but as someone pointed out, yes, modders were able to do it, but, from what I see, they're slapping the hairs right on the head and resizing them (which is what SE should do instead of making everything harder on themselves), but once again, the systems they use for it doesn't really make it that easy (which begs the question on why they decided to "model the heads differently" if it were going to cause such a big problem for them in the first place from a technical standpoint (barring the criticism from the playerbase)

Honestly speaking, as much as I love my bun queen and my lion man, I think it would have been better if they probably revealed Hroth and viera before SB launch (or not..who knows), but didn't actually release them until EW. Heres my reason why

Revealing them would have let the playerbase know that they're working on 2 races that could very well be the last racial update this game could see for a very long time if not forever

but they could have used like a year to make M and F viera (Animations, models, racial specific hairs, and any other assets they have), another year to make M and F hroth (Animations, models, racial specific hairs, and any other assets they have). Creating the 4 models would have taken the entirety of the stormblood Expansion. They they could have used the two year lifecycle of ShB to iron out any details and possible issues that would arise with them. I would have rather waited 4 years for a new race to be seen to completion rather than a race that still feels like beta (Viera) and another race that still seems like its in Alpha stages (Hrothgar) to be released

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I agree with you, they couldve just waited. I couldve lived without them for longer if I knew they were coming and that they would be compatible with the rest of the game. It is silly that they are so faulty as they are.
Actually modders have adapted alot around the existing hairs, and not just slapped on the hairs and resized, some have filled in the holes where the hyur ears usually are and so on. I refuse to believe that SE doesnt have the resources to do this. It must be a conscious effort to not do it for some other reason. Or else they couldve just said "sorry engine broken cant fix hairstyles, apologies". But we got nothing until recently.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

If it's so easy to fix, I have a hard time believing they'd rather put up with years of scorn over this than go to the small effort of pasting bunny ears onto things.

Also there's no modification needed for Au Ra because their horns sit in the same position as human ears so it doesn't affect the hair unless there's some kind of issue with the individual design. It's only Miqo'te that needs anything added to it.

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I refuse to believe a company like SE doesnt have the resources to then add a program that works to transfer the hairstyles if their current ones do not work. If the bun in the latest hairstyle can be moved to accomodate the horns of au ra and the ears of miqote there is no reason to believe it cant be done for viera. It wasnt accomodated for viera because SE covered their butt saying that vieras have special heads and will be recieving their own hairstyles. But at the start he actually said viera would recieve legacy hairstyles....then he backtracked and after that silence until recently. Nah, I dont buy it. They can, they just wont.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Doesn't Japan have like one of the highest life expectancy in the world?
If so, they might not meassure "soon" like we do.

/joking

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actually, as far as I'm aware, Japan does have a conception of time where they usually are a lot more patient and dont mind waiting for longer, so I guess that for them 2 years is probably 'soon' while for us 6 months already feels like an eternity away, although I mean, videogame companies started the SoonTM meme as far as I'm aware so it's most likely SoonTM with hairstyles, hats etc as well which is far from perfect but something I can live with.

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Originally Posted by Akimori

well, thats why I stated "whenever" and with the recent interview, it seems they want to implement all hairs, but this system is a roadblock, so I at least thought it would be at least another 2 years before t he fabled graphics update

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There is I think a big misconception with this ugprade: As far as I recall they talked about upgrading textures.
Upgrading textures probably guarantees nothing in regards to character creation or any other system as far as I understand, where as many ppl seem to think that it will magically mean we will get BDO creation and plenty of new races added, which would need some massive engine rework to be even remotely 'plausible' (not to mention that the CC system is hard to do, and the way its incrusted into the core of the game, it is likely hard to touch without messing it up badly, which is why I find it unrealistic to expect a massive CC and game rework in 7.0 like many seem to be speculating.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I refuse to believe a company like SE doesnt have the resources to then add a program that works to transfer the hairstyles if their current ones do not work.

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That's exactly my point. You said you think they "they just don't want to, not that they can't" - implying that you think they could but they can't be bothered.

I think it's the other way around. They surely have the resources to do it if it were just a matter of paying someone to modify the hairstyles as part of the standard work of releasing new hairstyles for all races equally.

THEREFORE, the fact that they don't do this suggests to me that there is a deeper problem. Something with how they get hairstyles or how other races unlock new hairstyles might not be compatible, somehow?

If it was just resources, I don't know why they'd decide not to spend them.

That makes me think that it's not a matter of them wanting to, but that for some reason they can't.

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Originally Posted by Akimori

You should see this one twitter artist's renditions of Fem Hroth...they are BEAUTIFUL T_T

fan rendition of the *REAL*& Queen Gunnhildr
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please make hrothgirls look like actual female animals and not that digusting trope of giving them the animal face, but human eyes and lips


ew ew ew ew ew

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I can appreciate that some people quite enjoy truly 'beast' races, and female hrothgar (ronso) in particular, I still do not think it's worth the resources spent at anytime in the near future, at least with how tight resources are seemingly made to sound during interviews.

Look, I humored the inclusion of both male viera and female hrothgar, for a good while even, but when things seem to actually be getting cut, or pushed back, for a novelty inclusion, I take issue and will offer my opinion on the matter. It makes me question what is said during interviews, and what we receive each patch, how could these resources have been spent otherwise, if they didn't have this now even further stretching them to their limit? If we lived in a perfect world there wouldn't be any issues, and everyone could enjoy their male viera, and female hrothgar! Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world.

I don't doubt we will soon see frustrated male viera players, if every other race in the game is getting desirable hairstyles, and most definitely, hats.. I'll just have to ask them, "what did you expect?".

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

You know what else I was thinking. Inbefore vieras and hrothgars get more hairstyles we will probably see more hairstyles added to the other races......

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Was that ever in question?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I really think it can't be that simple. There's no reason for them to withhold purchased Mog Station hairstyles and other new styles if modifying them is a straightforward business and they go to the effort for Miqo'te.

Surely it must be something in how the data is stored and accessed rather than just that the models won't work and can't be adapted. And if it is, then it's a problem that will persist even if they add new Viera-specific styles.

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It is very simple, and they have stated why in interviews: resources. I highly doubt this was high on their priority list, and, according to that interview, they look to be still now in the planning stages for allocating resources for these hairstyles. Male viera took precedence, and I'd assume what resources would have otherwise been spent on female viera and male hrothgar, got spent on male viera specifically - because all we have for female hrothgar is a promise of their future addition, as far as I am aware.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That makes me think that it's not a matter of them wanting to, but that for some reason they can't.

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Unless their art pipeline is a complete disaster it should be easier for the studio to do the work because they have all the intermediate asset files that go into making the final forms. The only excuse I could see is if they were on the verge of releasing an engine upgrade but that doesn't seem to be the case. They're sandbagging.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It is very simple, and they have stated why in interviews: resources.

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I don't recall them saying that. It's why they said they didn't think they could afford the other genders, but hairstyles were an issue to do with Viera's unique heads.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I don't recall them saying that. It's why they said they didn't think they could afford the other genders, but hairstyles were an issue to do with Viera's unique heads.

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Oh, sorry to clarify I was just referring to the viera specific hairstyles, citing the most recent interview. However, if I recall correctly, there was an early interview where viera were said they would receive 'some' modern aesthetics styles, and then in a later interview it was stated they would only receive 'viera specific'. In regards to to modern aesthetics as a whole.

I tend to agree with this:

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Unless their art pipeline is a complete disaster it should be easier for the studio to do the work because they have all the intermediate asset files that go into making the final forms. The only excuse I could see is if they were on the verge of releasing an engine upgrade but that doesn't seem to be the case. They're sandbagging.

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I think they saw the workload required to start fitting hairstyles more regularly for female viera, and took issue with it. Rather, they would create those 'viera unique' styles, and that would be a problem for a future them. Probably the "resources" answer again, anyway.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I think they saw the workload required to start fitting hairstyles more regularly for female viera, and took issue with it. Rather, they would create those 'viera unique' styles, and that would be a problem for a future them. Probably the "resources" answer again, anyway.

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How could it possibly be less work to make completely new hairstyles for them than to make minor edits to existing ones?

If it was really nothing but a cost-cutting exercise they'd just modify some existing ones (or pick out some that they can stick ears on without even needing to modify) and still not keep them regularly updated after that.

I don't understand it, I don't have an explanation for it, but it doesn't add up. That's why I think it must be something deeper.

I wish they'd explain what it is.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I think they saw the workload required to start fitting hairstyles more regularly for female viera, and took issue with it. Rather, they would create those 'viera unique' styles, and that would be a problem for a future them. Probably the "resources" answer again, anyway.

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This. The excuses have changed a couple of times. If it was a deeper issue than this then why not just say it?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

How could it possibly be less work to make completely new hairstyles for them than to make minor edits to existing ones?

If it was really a cost-cutting exercise they'd just modify some existing ones and still not keep them regularly updated.

I don't understand it, I don't have an explanation for it, but it doesn't add up. That's why I think it must be something deeper.

I wish they'd explain what it is.

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If it was "deeper" then they could just say it.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

You know what else I was thinking. Inbefore vieras and hrothgars get more hairstyles we will probably see more hairstyles added to the other races......

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THE TEA HUNNY

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I don't recall them saying that. It's why they said they didn't think they could afford the other genders, but hairstyles were an issue to do with Viera's unique heads.

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They talked about it here, but I don't know if that's what Sturm is referring to;

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/560002409?t=1h21m25s

Though I don't know if resources = development cost and if they are used interchangeably.

bump ... can we get something next patch please se ? ʕ ಡ ﹏ ಡ ʔ

Some sleek ponytails. Less "wild hair" pls.

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Originally Posted by lalin

bump ... can we get something next patch please se ? ʕ ಡ ﹏ ಡ ʔ

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Instructions unclear, released 5 new hairstyles for the other races. Please enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Raskbuck

Instructions unclear, released 5 new hairstyles for the other races. Please enjoy.

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It is ok those five new hairstyles will be male in anime styled anyway...amirite?

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

It is ok those five new hairstyles will be male in anime styled anyway...amirite?

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Probably better to look at the Heavensward hairstyle contest since many of the new hairstyles released come from there

I saw a kitty cat in a big floppy hat the other day. I was quite the envious buns.

Viera with Yshtola hair please
Viera are supposed to have hair similar to fur and I think should share some hairstyles between miqote (the miqote specific hairstyles) Specifically Yshtola's hair
If you bought the hair from the mog station & it's not gender locked, if you spent real money on hair- it should be the 1st to be added for Viera no question

They added male Viera instead of fixing existing Viera and Hrothgar, so, luckily male viera will have the same problems then maybe more ppl will be vocal about lack of viera options

I'd like to see Frans ponytail (With the diadem headgear) & her sister, Mjrns cute bob, with the ear Diadem

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Some sleek ponytails. Less "wild hair" pls.

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This, my Hrothgar has more than enough hair to easily rock a ponytail.

Thinking about how they said we'd be getting more race specific hairstyles...*sigh*
While we wait I drew some viera hairs for fun.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...922&height=676

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Originally Posted by AquaRC

Thinking about how they said we'd be getting more race specific hairstyles...*sigh*
While we wait I drew some viera hairs for fun.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...922&height=676

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these are so nice !
i would also love to have some pigtail braids or what ever they are called in english for my viera

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

Viera with Yshtola hair please
Viera are supposed to have hair similar to fur and I think should share some hairstyles between miqote (the miqote specific hairstyles) Specifically Yshtola's hair
If you bought the hair from the mog station & it's not gender locked, if you spent real money on hair- it should be the 1st to be added for Viera no question

They added male Viera instead of fixing existing Viera and Hrothgar, so, luckily male viera will have the same problems then maybe more ppl will be vocal about lack of viera options

I'd like to see Frans ponytail (With the diadem headgear) & her sister, Mjrns cute bob, with the ear Diadem

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This honestly, I LOVE yshtolas hair on my au ra, it looks absolutely gorgeous and cute, it would be so pretty on my viera. Mogstation hairs should be priority after new racespecific styles.

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Originally Posted by AquaRC

Thinking about how they said we'd be getting more race specific hairstyles...*sigh*
While we wait I drew some viera hairs for fun.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...922&height=676

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Pretty and also what I envision besides some more "clean" hairstyles. Also nice to not have a bunch of added flowers there. We could get beads, feathers, leatherbands, rings. Also more braids and buns please. :)

I want some small, fluffy pigtails. Think Madoka from Madoka Magica. No ribbons or flowers or anything, we can use the head item for that if we want.

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Originally Posted by AquaRC

Thinking about how they said we'd be getting more race specific hairstyles...*sigh*
While we wait I drew some viera hairs for fun.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...922&height=676

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In love with all of these, particularly second to the left on the bottom row. <3

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Originally Posted by AquaRC

Thinking about how they said we'd be getting more race specific hairstyles...*sigh*
While we wait I drew some viera hairs for fun.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...922&height=676

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Cute !
But we need more puffy hair with curls and fluff ♥

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Originally Posted by AquaRC

Thinking about how they said we'd be getting more race specific hairstyles...*sigh*
While we wait I drew some viera hairs for fun.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...922&height=676

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Can Square enix please hire you?

I'd like another ponytail without the long fringy parts down the front!

Id like the hime hair