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Originally Posted by Ghastly

And Rabanastre is in the Ilsabard territory.

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But it is almost certainly not actually the same place as the ones in 12

omg why did you revive this old thing... stahppppp!!! lol ;)

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

But it is almost certainly not actually the same place as the ones in 12

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Who said they were?
That quote was directed at Nestama claiming we won't go to Rabanastre in 5.0

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

What public available information? You never quote or link anything.

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Seriously? There have been quotes from Yoshi P, analysis of the Ivalice timeline, comparisons between FFT and FFXII, explanations of the lore of Ivalice, not just by me but by those who agree with me. Yoshi P doesn't like Viera, hasn't put a race in Stormblood, and we know that races take a massive of work to put in, on top of that we know that the new raid will be based on the original FFT and will have to have some grounding in Eorzea lore. If you want the sources, the numbers and the research, it has all been posted in this thread, go back and find it.

Oh, and the poll that you keep referencing was put forth towards 1.0 players, that's how long ago it was, the truth is that we no longer have any clue how popular the race is.

Whatever information you want to pick and choose from to fit your ideas doesn't concern me, but I know that come 4.1 there will be threads saying "Wheres Viera?"

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Seriously? There have been quotes from Yoshi P, analysis of the Ivalice timeline, comparisons between FFT and FFXII, explanations of the lore of Ivalice, not just by me but by those who agree with me. Yoshi P doesn't like Viera, hasn't put a race in Stormblood, and we know that races take a massive of work to put in, on top of that we know that the new raid will be based on the original FFT and will have to have some grounding in Eorzea lore. If you want the sources, the numbers and the research, it has all been posted in this thread, go back and find it.

Oh, and the poll that you keep referencing was put forth towards 1.0 players, that's how long ago it was, the truth is that we no longer have any clue how popular the race is.

Whatever information you want to pick and choose from to fit your ideas doesn't concern me, but I know that come 4.0 there will be threads saying "Wheres Viera?"

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Yes seriously.

Do you know how long a census lasts? It lasts 10 years. Scientific polls have validity for a long period of time. That's why they are scientific, they poll a large pool of what FF fan is and that doesn't change year to year. That only gradually changes year to year. Please do some research on what scientific polls mean. Furthermore, there was a more recent poll done on reddit where the majority would play them http://www.strawpoll.me/4210217/r . Adding a race is made years in advance. Doing a poll last year/this year would get in the way of their story/blueprint. So that poll was relevant for the years they were considering the next race (2015-2016). A poll for 2017 wouldn't allow them to plan ahead.

Your FFT/FFXII comparison was already proven false since they exist in A and A2. Yoshi-P preferred au ra over viera, that doesn't mean he doesn't like them. At the end of that au ra/viera discussion he said "however if you want another race please let us know" so he's not 100% against them. Do I have to find that quote again?

The work it takes to add a new race doesn't matter to Yoshida. He already asked us to let him know which race we want in the future.

You have no sources left, they were already proven false.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

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The community for 4.0 is largely different to the community of 1.0, we are playing a very different game. This isn't an issue of census rules, and this isn't a scientific poll. The fact of the matter is that the landscape of this game has changed drastically since 1.0 to the point where you could say that this is a completely different game. As for the straw poll, it has 500 responses, hardly an adequate number to gauge anything.

Also, I don't remember the FFT comparison proven false, A and A2 are very different games, that don't share themes with the original. If Yoshi P was looking at those games he would have specified.

I'm getting deja vu from this discussion, and you will continue to pick and choose your facts, and I can't stop that. I'm going to drop it because ultimately it doesn't matter, you can live with your ideas and I can live with my research.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

The community for 4.0 is largely different to the community of 1.0, we are playing a very different game. This isn't an issue of census rules, and this isn't a scientific poll. The fact of the matter is that the landscape of this game has changed drastically since 1.0 to the point where you could say that this is a completely different game. As for the straw poll, it has 500 responses, hardly an adequate number to gauge anything.

Also, I don't remember the FFT comparison proven false, A and A2 are very different games, that don't share themes with the original. If Yoshi P was looking at those games he would have specified.

I'm getting deja vu from this discussion, and you will continue to pick and choose your facts, and I can't stop that. I'm going to drop it because ultimately it doesn't matter, you can live with your ideas and I can live with my research.

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The population in a scientific way hasn't changed. Let's say there were 1.5 million subscribers in 2013 (near the official poll) and let's say there are 3 million subscribers now. Scientifically you get the same kind of people (many of the same type of people). The FF fan categories don't change just because you add more people. It gradually changes but not form 1 polar opposite (plurality wanted viera) to a polar opposite of they're one of the least wanted races.

This is what you're proposing and is scientifically and factually wrong.

I can tell you never took any statistics classes in school. I advice you to take them.

FFT A and A2 are part of the FFT series so you cannot say 100% that they won't be part of Return to Ivalice unless you're Yoshida himself.

This is the second time you've tried to pass factually wrong information as if it was fact. Even when I quote Yoshida himself asking us to show support for the next race.

I'm glad you finally realized that your "facts" are nothing more than attempts to get into Yoshida's mind and interpret what he didn't say.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Seriously? There have been quotes from Yoshi P, analysis of the Ivalice timeline, comparisons between FFT and FFXII, explanations of the lore of Ivalice, not just by me but by those who agree with me. Yoshi P doesn't like Viera, hasn't put a race in Stormblood, and we know that races take a massive of work to put in, on top of that we know that the new raid will be based on the original FFT and will have to have some grounding in Eorzea lore. If you want the sources, the numbers and the research, it has all been posted in this thread, go back and find it.

Oh, and the poll that you keep referencing was put forth towards 1.0 players, that's how long ago it was, the truth is that we no longer have any clue how popular the race is.

Whatever information you want to pick and choose from to fit your ideas doesn't concern me, but I know that come 4.1 there will be threads saying "Wheres Viera?"

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You know, I don't think I remember them ever complaining about the work it took to put Au'ra in. Not putting a new race in Stormblood wasn't some indication that they are more work than they're worth.

If you've played WoW at all (the game YoshiP largely drew inspiration from to revamp this one), blizzard has kept a kinda rotation going in regards to race/class for expansions, rotating them every other xpac. Exceptions being the panda xpac, which blizz has expressed regret towards them, and WoD xpac, which had neither and was the worst xpac of WoW's history.

Anyways, the thing that ran them ragged in Heavensward wasn't adding a new race, it was putting in 3 new jobs at the same time and all the balancing nightmares it gave them. Given they were heals, tank, and dps as well. I fully expect them to add a new race in 5.0, whether that race is Viera or not well, who knows.

I'm split on this.

I don't really have any huge problems with Viera, but at this point, the playerbase is practically foaming at the mouth to have them added to the game, despite the fact there have been many statements made indicating they have no desire to add Viera at this time. The absolute aggressive tenacity with which some players demand Viera is kind of putting me off the idea of ever seeing them added at this point. I have a feeling if they did get added, there'd be mountains of complaints about them if they don't look right, and there's so much hype built up around them now it's silly.

The way players can behave when someone says they don't want Viera added is pretty unfortunate as well.

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Originally Posted by Shofie

I'm split on this.

I don't really have any huge problems with Viera, but at this point, the playerbase is practically foaming at the mouth to have them added to the game, despite the fact there have been many statements made indicating they have no desire to add Viera at this time. The absolute aggressive tenacity with which some players demand Viera is kind of putting me off the idea of ever seeing them added at this point. I have a feeling if they did get added, there'd be mountains of complaints about them if they don't look right, and there's so much hype built up around them now it's silly.

The way players can behave when someone says they don't want Viera added is pretty unfortunate as well.

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The way players can behave when someone says they do want Viera added is pretty unfortunate as well. The posts filled with mocking dismissal and just generally talking down to them is not exactly a great setup for polite debate.

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Originally Posted by Shofie

I don't really have any huge problems with Viera, but at this point, the playerbase is practically foaming at the mouth to have them added to the game, despite the fact there have been many statements made indicating they have no desire to add Viera at this time.

The way players can behave when someone says they don't want Viera added is pretty unfortunate as well.

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For some reason it really seems like folks are either love or hate with the idea of Viera. Each side has it's arguments but each side also has it's vitrol. I always see how Viera supporters are foaming at the mouth and ready to riot and yet I also see us getting a lot of angry condescension. I'm also not demanding them at this time, I'm politely supporting their future addition. It would actually be silly to see them in 4.0 as anything other than a Yugiri style introduction (even that might be pushing it just a bit). For 5.0 and beyond though I'd like them considered.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

I'm also not demanding them at this time, I'm politely supporting their future addition. For 5.0 and beyond though I'd like them considered.

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This. ^^^^^

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Who said they were?
That quote was directed at Nestama claiming we won't go to Rabanastre in 5.0

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I'm looking through my post you quoted and I'm not seeing what you apparently saw. I never claimed we weren't going to Rabanastre. I implied that with 5.0 most likely being in Islabard, we would have seen Viera by now (and 4.0 is the last chance for us to see them mixed in within Garlean troops. With some Viera being known wanderers, it's difficult to not believe that some may have been captured and indoctrinated). If we don't see them in 4.0 and 5.0, then 6.0 is the most likely chance of ever seeing them potentially being a playable race. "New World" new lore.

And that's assuming the Garleans don't outright exterminate them because they think they're Beastmen or something.

I'll admit i can have been baited and become over passionate about this specifically because of the amount of derision and out right vitriol of the opposition. Time and agian i have asked, "Why would it be so wrong/ offensive for them to be added? What does their implantation illicit such resistance? They are a race found in an FF title and one wanted by many for a very long time (since FFXI). Why would anyone who does not want them, go so out of their way to argue against them when their addition would have no bearing on them?"

The dev. team, looking at the race poll went with the more beastly race, even went as so far to to draw up amazing concept art featured here countless times.
(Afore mentioned amazing concept art featured here countless times)

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...afb978a8d6.jpg

The art team feels this is "Beastly", the AuRa we got is the culmination of all that art. This is the FFXIV answer to a savage race of monstrous peoples

One need only look the how far into the assets subject mater was brought to full realization to see which was more viable, which was more in line to fit the theme/ aesthetic, of the game world.
(Same Viera Concept art featured countless times, depicting more fleshed out deigns to include hair and clothing.)

http://68.media.tumblr.com/e365d9571...ju6o1_1280.jpg

Even to the point of creating in my opinion a child variant to launch beside them.

http://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...5-22_23_33.jpg

When these points are brought up the flood gates open "this would be boring, more of the same, not beastly enough, make a sub option of an existing race, just add gear to existing race to get the same-ish look..." Derisive opinion weakly passed as "counter discussion" in a support thread. There is nothing wrong with the argument "I don't want them because i want something completely different." However i fail to see how their (Viera) implementation, adversely affects anyone. Yes it is only a minutely subtle difference to what we currently have but that subtlety is something i and many long time FF fans enjoy. I don't see anything wrong. Other games give those player race options, other games have that aesthetic, those other games are not FFXIV, that's why i pay a subscription to this game.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

However i fail to see how their (Viera) implementation, adversely affects anyone. Yes it is only a minutely subtle difference to what we currently have but that subtlety is something i and many long time FF fans enjoy. I don't see anything wrong.

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My problem is that to release Viera next would, in my opinion, only lend further credence to the idea that devs only care about one particular type of player: those who prefer their petitie, kawaii part-animal waifus/husbandos.

We already have Miqo'te. We already have Au Ra. Why can't we just get something different for now?

I play a roe because I'm a fan of strong, statuesque, imposing characters. I imagine people who play Lalas do so because they worship Satan like funny, adorable, tiny races. Where are our options? We just have to wait another 6 years and hope for the best? Why does one type of player get to have multiple options while we're left over here in our corner. twiddling our thumbs, messing with our one and only option we've had since day one?

Let someone else get a turn. If they wanna add Viera later on, go for it, but at least try and acknowledge the are plenty of people who aren't a fan of those types of characters.

I mentioned this before, but WoW did it right. If you wanted a sexy fantasy character, you got to choose between Night elf, Blood elf, and Dranei. Want a funny, small character? Dwarf, Gnome, or Goblin. Want your characters built like a truck? Orc, Troll, and Tauren. there were multiple options for everyone.

And that's all I want: options. If you want a hyur with animal bits attached, you already have options. All I'm asking is for the same privilege .

Well that's partly why I'm saying 6.0 is the most likely time (new world, new lore... unless the Garleans are everywhere). Before then could be hybrid races.

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Originally Posted by Galaktica

I play a roe because I'm a fan of strong, statuesque, imposing characters.

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Me too! I've tested out most of the other races (except Lalafell and Miqo'te oddly enough) but I'll be back to Rog for the MSQ in SB. It still causes my FC mates to double take that I'm not a rog. I'm here supporting a Viera that's tall and muscular like a Rog but doesn't sacrifice all her curves to do it, bring unto me my statuesque amazon with a twitchy nose. That said others are here supporting the adorable tiny version. A few folks have suggested the double dip, have one Viera clan be the tall and imposing ones while the other clan is more like a bunch of bunny lalafells.

I am all for another buff race and if you've got a suggestion for it I'd likely support it. As I said somewhere else in the thread I like diversity, the more races the merrier.

No way am I gonna read all 1000 post, at this point I don't think they should be added. However I think it would be funny as did add them but called them something else....i don't know...bunny McBunny face would be awesome.

Would rather see a reptile race or bird, or a dog race.

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Originally Posted by Donaria

No way am I gonna read all 1000 post, at this point I don't think they should be added. However I think it would be funny as did add them but called them something else....i don't know...bunny McBunny face would be awesome.

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I don't care what they end up calling viera, as long as it looks similar to the concept art they presented. I'm ok with the viera having normal human hands and feet though.

i said it like 80 ish pages ago but i will say it again, i dont want vira in this game, nor do i want people whining they are just hyur with bunny parts, i would rather have a pure unique and more beastial race that isnt cutesy human

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

i said it like 80 ish pages ago but i will say it again, i dont want vira in this game, nor do i want people whining they are just hyur with bunny parts, i would rather have a pure unique and more beastial race that isnt cutesy human

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Maybe you should make your own thread for a beastial race then.

Oh wait, I think there may already be threads asking for a beastial race. Maybe you could bump those up and show your support that way. idk

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Originally Posted by Senn

Maybe you should make your own thread for a beastial race then.

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And this is why people aren't very nice to the pro-viera people. Maybe you should expect people to actually say things when they state their opinions. Oh, wait. You don't want people to do that. In a discussion form. Riiiiight. Dude make a petition on a petition site. Send a link to Squeenix. Just don't let people leave comments.

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Originally Posted by savageink

And this is why people aren't very nice to the pro-viera people. Maybe you should expect people to actually say things when they state their opinions. Oh, wait. You don't want people to do that. In a discussion form.

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Actually he says that so that you can garner support, flesh out the idea, and get square to take notice that your race idea has a following. I'm pro diversity myself, supporting Viera doesnt mean I cannot also agree with another race if its a neat idea!

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Originally Posted by savageink

And this is why people aren't very nice to the pro-viera people. Maybe you should expect people to actually say things when they state their opinions. Oh, wait. You don't want people to do that. In a discussion form. Riiiiight. Dude make a petition on a petition site. Send a link to Squeenix. Just don't let people leave comments.

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Uuuh, if you want another race, this isn't the place to post for it. Their post is just gonna get buried here. I don't mind if people have opposing opinions, but this isn't a "request any race" thread. There are plenty of those out there, and they should post there.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Uuuh, if you want another race, this isn't the place to post for it. Their post is just gonna get buried here. I don't mind if people have opposing opinions, but this isn't a "request any race" thread. There are plenty of those out there, and they should post there.

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aaaand... that's not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

Actually he says that so that you can garner support, flesh out the idea, and get square to take notice that your race idea has a following.

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Exactly.
The whole "this is why people aren't very nice to pro-viera people" comment. loool
How tribalistic can you get?

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Originally Posted by savageink

aaaand... that's not going to happen.

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It's like if I posted a bunch of elezen pictures in the show your hyur thread. :rolleyes:

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Anyway, I think it would be cool if we were introduced to a place sorta like Rabanastre sometime in 6.0 and have viera tie into that somehow. Those are some interesting ideas.

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Originally Posted by Senn

It's like if I posted a bunch of elezen pictures in the show your hyur thread. :rolleyes:

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Anyway, I think it would be cool if we were introduced to a place sorta like Rabanastre sometime in 6.0 and have viera tie into that somehow. Those are some interesting ideas.

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You do realize that by complaining about thread purity and calling out the people who drop a one liner, you are contributing to how much it veers off topic? Or maybe you don't. Better to ignore it and move on.

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Originally Posted by savageink

You do realize that by complaining about thread purity and calling out the people who drop a one liner, you are contributing to how much it veers off topic? Or maybe you don't. Better to ignore it and move on.

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It's all about those thread bumps (I only commented because this thread was near the top of the front page)

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

It's all about those thread bumps (I only commented because this thread was near the top of the front page)

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I do like the fact that it gets bumped. More visibility means more likes. If it gets more likes, then maybe, just maybe, the devs will reconsider adding them to the game. So, if you want the truth... No, I'm not particularly bothered by people disagreeing because A) I don't mind disagreements and B) It's another bump for my thread. People asking for other races in this thread also doesn't bother me since, like I said, it's just another bump for me, but when I say this isn't the right thread for it, I still mean it.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

It's all about those thread bumps (I only commented because this thread was near the top of the front page)

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LOL! At this point, I'm just aiming to be the thousandth post that has nothing at all to do with the content. Goals.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Oh wait, I think there may already be threads asking for a beastial race. Maybe you could bump those up and show your support that way. idk

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then allow me to emphisize,

making a thread for other beastial races have been done, i am throwing my opinion on the viera, which i believe most people will just complain about, seeing how the au ra had people screaming about how they were 'humans with lizard parts attached' and the Viera would just get the same treatment, the 'Humming way' the more beastial Viera (tho staying to the cute side) would be something i would be more welcoming, but the more human looking viera i do not want.

there does this fit into being relevant for this thread or shall i make a new thread o'fourm master :P

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

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Seeing as viera haven't been added to the game at this point in time, I don't know whether or not people would complain about their appearance. Maybe the devs would do an amazing job? Maybe they wouldn't? I would hope they would do a good job. I believe this is a valid concern for any race that might get implemented in the future.

Yes, I think this is much more relevant to the topic. ;^)

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Originally Posted by Senn

Seeing as viera haven't been added to the game at this point in time, I don't know whether or not people would complain about their appearance. Maybe the devs would do an amazing job? Maybe they wouldn't? I would hope they would do a good job. I believe this is a valid concern for any race that might get implemented in the future.

Yes, I think this is much more relevant to the topic. ;^)

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this is true, but again with the way people acted with the au ra i would like to see something more original then what people hope from FF12 and ivalice, if the viera were to be in the game i wouldnt mind them as a more humanoid beast race we interact with rather then a playable race, it would bring something new to the table,

also nice to see some peeps with a sence of humour on the fourms :P

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

this is true, but again with the way people acted with the au ra i would like to see something more original then what people hope from FF12 and ivalice, if the viera were to be in the game i wouldnt mind them as a more humanoid beast race we interact with rather then a playable race, it would bring something new to the table,

also nice to see some peeps with a sence of humour on the fourms :P

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I would definitely want viera as a playable race rather than having them be beastmen like the vanu and so on. I can't say I'm on board with your opinion, but it's totally cool for you to want them to be beast tribe instead.

-Agreed. lol
It's also nice to just chill and chat about things, even if you disagree.

DEFINITELY AGREE

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Originally Posted by szalkerous

DEFINITELY AGREE

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FUUUUUUU- you took the 1000 slot good on you XD

ok be honest how long were you sat for that

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

FUUUUUUU- you took the 1000 slot good on you XD

ok be honest how long were you sat for that

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I think you technically got the 1000th reply, though. ;)