Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

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Originally Posted by Mature

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Viera please!

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Originally Posted by savageink

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This guy is what I think of...

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

However, IF the dev team DOES decide to make a new race in the future, we are here expressing that we would like it to be the Viera.

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This is my sentiment as well. It is possible we will be seeing a new race later on in the future. If they're going to make one, I would like the next race to be viera.

Harukochi, you might want to re-read some of Lambdafish's responses again and not resort to using memes and calling him a child (that doesn't help you in any way).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Harukochi, you might want to re-read some of Lambdafish's responses again and not resort to using memes and calling him a child (that doesn't help you in any way).

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That mess of a post doesn't deserve a response so instead, I'm going to direct that energy towards thanking you :)

Stop trying to make Viera happen, it's not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Harukochi, you might want to re-read some of Lambdafish's responses again and not resort to using memes and calling him a child (that doesn't help you in any way).

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Are we going to ignore how he said this was a Viera circle jerk and let him address me as rude?

No! It was a childish comment and I'm only addressing his behavior.

I just wanted to edit my post saying the meme was pretty funny imo

I think that particular sentence was referring to specifically one person. "(to the point of dismissing quotes and evidence entirely)" makes it rather clear for me.

There are also some posts near the first page that amount to demanding anyone who doesn't show support to get out, which simply cannot happen and I cannot accept that attitude. This is a General Discussion forum and there will be differing opinions. People can show support and others can show their lack of support by disagreeing and presenting their points on why (opinions and ideas on why it would be a bad idea, or how it wouldn't be a Viera). If people only want 100% support and no disagreements, then they're better off making a "Show your Support" thread in a place they know will only show support (and that's not the Official FFXIV Forums).

I'm pretty sure your whole post is filled with a lot of wrong information.

You might wanna check it again because a lot of people are going to be able to tell what's right and wrong with what you wrote.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

There are also some posts near the first page that amount to demanding anyone who doesn't show support to get out

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If you're referring to this

"-I want another race.
*Go make your own thread. :^)"

Then yeah, they should leave and make their own thread. You can stay if you disagree with adding viera or whatever and talk about it. I haven't told anyone to "get out" other than when they are requesting another race in this thread because this isn't the place for it. So...?

bring on the bunny people!

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Originally Posted by Harukochi

I'm pretty sure your whole post is filled with a lot of wrong information.

You might wanna check it again because a lot of people are going to be able to tell what's right and wrong with what you wrote.

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The Ivalice argument is what I refer to and that was frustrating for both of us because even when evidence, or points were brought up on certain topics regarding the raid... they'd just be dismissed with excuses on how the raid will be about Viera, how it guarantees that Viera will be playable and so forth.

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Originally Posted by Senn

If you're referring to this

"-I want another race.
*Go make your own thread. :^)"

Then yeah, they should leave and make their own thread. You can stay if you disagree with adding viera or whatever and talk about it. I haven't told anyone to "get out" other than when they are requesting another race in this thread because this isn't the place for it. So...?

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Oh no, I meant posts near the front page. Like the second and third page and possibly so forth.
Your quote regarding "I want another race - go make another thread" is okay (though I'll still post about compromises and hybrids). It's the posts that imply "this thread is only for showing support" are what I refer to.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I think that particular sentence was referring to specifically one person. "(to the point of dismissing quotes and evidence entirely)" makes it rather clear for me.

There are also some posts near the first page that amount to demanding anyone who doesn't show support to get out, which simply cannot happen and I cannot accept that attitude. This is a General Discussion forum and there will be differing opinions. People can show support and others can show their lack of support by disagreeing and presenting their points on why (opinions and ideas on why it would be a bad idea, or how it wouldn't be a Viera). If people only want 100% support and no disagreements, then they're better off making a "Show your Support" thread in a place they know will only show support (and that's not the Official FFXIV Forums).

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You say that but, this entire forum is filled with that mindset, no matter the topic. The moment you express any sorta negativity towards any aspect of the game for any reason you will run into the same thing for example. In that regard... you're fighting an uphill battle... my condolences ;P

That being said, there are plenty of anti-viera posters in this thread who would like nothing more than this thread being shut down and never appearing again. And it shows in their attitude both towards the topic as well as towards the supporters. Supporters get tired of the provocations (in general) and respond in kind. Hell, just within the last 10 pages we've had people foaming at the mouth towards each other on both sides.

Sigh, it's unfortunate really, as it's actually in the anti-viera's crowds favor to provoke such reactions as the more heated arguments become the closer the thread gets to being shut down forcefully.

I see a few new faces in this thread showing their support. Or at least I think they're new. I'd just like to remind those of you who want viera as the next new race to hit that like button on the original post. Have a good one guys.

I would love Viera as the new race! :)
It would be great if they came in one of the new patches in 4.0. Can't raise my hopes too much tho :(

Just saying :v

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Speaking of Rabanastre, that's one of Garlemald's areas. 5.0 is said to be when we start heading into Garlean territory. I think they're connecting the dots in some ways. Return to Ivalice brings viera to Hydaelyn at the end of the raid and in at the start of 5.0 in Rabanastre they'll be there as the new race :D

3 pounds rabbit, cut into stew-sized pieces
1 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
1/4 cup grapeseed oil
3 tablespoons butter
1 cup celery, diced
2 cups diced carrots
2 onions, finely diced
Salt
Freshly ground black pepper
3 bay leaves
6 cups water
4 cups red wine
4 medium-sized potatoes, diced
1/2 cup sliced sauteed mushrooms


Directions

Using half the flour (3/4 cup) coat the pieces of rabbit, shaking off any excess. Heat the oil and butter in a large heavy-bottomed saucepan, and brown the floured rabbit on all sides. Add the celery, carrots, onions, salt, pepper, bay leaves, 6 cups water and red wine, and stew for about 2 hours. Add the potatoes 45 minutes into the stewing process. Once the rabbit and all the vegetables are cooked, use some water to form a paste with the remaining 3/4 cup flour. Stir the flour mixture into the pot as a thickener. Add the already sautéed mushrooms to the stew and allow to simmer for about 10 minutes. Adjust seasonings, if necessary, and serve.


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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Speaking of Rabanastre, that's one of Garlemald's areas. 5.0 is said to be when we start heading into Garlean territory. I think they're connecting the dots in some ways. Return to Ivalice brings viera to Hydaelyn at the end of the raid and in at the start of 5.0 in Rabanastre they'll be there as the new race :D

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I can't wait to see a preview of Return to Ivalice... I'll probably just die if I see old faces lol !

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Originally Posted by Demielle_Tournes

I would love Viera as the new race! :)
It would be great if they came in one of the new patches in 4.0. Can't raise my hopes too much tho :(

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I'd flip out if they came out in a 4.0 patch lol Seems unlikely though.
I can kinda see them adding a new race in 5.0 or beyond. Well, I hope so anyway.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Speaking of Rabanastre, that's one of Garlemald's areas. 5.0 is said to be when we start heading into Garlean territory. I think they're connecting the dots in some ways. Return to Ivalice brings viera to Hydaelyn at the end of the raid and in at the start of 5.0 in Rabanastre they'll be there as the new race :D

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You're just setting yourself up for disappointment if no Viera appear in this raid. Especially if it's mostly going to be referencing Final Fantasy Tactics.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

You're just setting yourself up for disappointment if no Viera appear in this raid. Especially if it's mostly going to be referencing Final Fantasy Tactics.

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It's just their theory, and they're having fun with it. I want to hear more about what they think might possibly happen.

What will possibly happen is something with a political plot of sorts, maybe Espers and the Ascian named Altima. Maybe.
Ivalice has so much more in it than Viera.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Ivalice has so much more in it than Viera.

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Of course it does. However, since this is a viera thread, people are going to emphasize on the viera part.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

What will possibly happen is something with a political plot of sorts, maybe Espers and the Ascian named Altima. Maybe.
Ivalice has so much more in it than Viera.

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Didn't they say they were stepping away from ascian's for this xpac though? Hmmm, dunno if I'm remembering correctly though lol.

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

Didn't they say they were stepping away from ascian's for this xpac though? Hmmm, dunno if I'm remembering correctly though lol.

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They said that the ascians would not play a big role in the MSQ or the overall plot of Stormblood, side stories are fair game. Given that this is an Ivalice raid, their appearance would make sense.

And since Yoshi-P specifically mentioned FFT in an interview and there's an Ascian named Altima... who knows? Maybe we'll even encounter an NPC named Ajora, or Alma.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

And since Yoshi-P specifically mentioned FFT in an interview and there's an Ascian named Altima... who knows? Maybe we'll even encounter an NPC named Ajora, or Alma.

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Or even meet Mustadio who will slap every Machinist while reminding every one of them to just aim and that they dont need to charge their gun.

Couldnt resist!

I say viera will show up at the end of the raid (4.3-4.5). I think raid will be about everything Ivalice, including the viera.
Only Yoshida knows the answer to that, not Nestama or Lambdababa.

It's a perfect bridge to adding them into hydaelyn. Ivalice's always been about grimoires that lead into/out of places so this grimoire is a perfect door :D

You say it's a perfect bridge, I say it would be bad storytelling/lore making (make something exist and playable just because! It doesn't matter why Viera would suddenly want to live in a world they know nothing about, nor how everyone native to Hydaelyn will treat this).

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

They said that the ascians would not play a big role in the MSQ or the overall plot of Stormblood, side stories are fair game. Given that this is an Ivalice raid, their appearance would make sense.

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Aaah right right,that was it. Lol, guess this ascian will be the hydrus of stormblood ;P


To be perfectly honest, as much as I would kill to have viera in 14, I would not be surprised if they did put viera into this 24 man's lore in some way.... as some sorta now extinct race for one reason or another just to shut down any more requests for them. The same way they killed any chance of new egi's beyond the main 3 outta the game with the first HW summoner quest. Would not surprise me at all.

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

Aaah right right,that was it. Lol, guess this ascian will be the hydrus of stormblood ;P


To be perfectly honest, as much as I would kill to have viera in 14, I would not be surprised if they did put viera into this 24 man's lore in some way.... as some sorta now extinct race for one reason or another just to shut down any more requests for them. The same way they killed any chance of new egi's beyond the main 3 outta the game with the first HW summoner quest. Would not surprise me at all.

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If that's what they do I'm actually fine with it. As long as it's their decision and not people here acting like they work for square enix and saying viera can't exist in Return to Ivalice. At least, unlike those people, I'm open minded to whatever the devs want to do.

That would be an interesting twist, can't wait to see what happens :)

If they do added them at some point, can we please get the tree city too..... I would die.

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

To be perfectly honest, as much as I would kill to have viera in 14, I would not be surprised if they did put viera into this 24 man's lore in some way.... as some sorta now extinct race for one reason or another just to shut down any more requests for them.

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If the dev team chose to do that, it's fine. Honestly I'd also be perfectly okay if Viera were NOT tied to RtI at all. In fact I'd probably be happy if the the dev team were to put their own spin on them, give them a different name and point of origin so that they're tied more firmly to FFXIV in the same way the Miqo'te are. Again, the whole point of my support in this thread is that if the Dev team chooses to add another race in the future I'd like them to reconsider this one. I'm not making demands, I'm not trying to be forceful and others shouldn't be either, no matter what side of the debate they're on.

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

To be perfectly honest, as much as I would kill to have viera in 14, I would not be surprised if they did put viera into this 24 man's lore in some way.... as some sorta now extinct race for one reason or another just to shut down any more requests for them. The same way they killed any chance of new egi's beyond the main 3 outta the game with the first HW summoner quest. Would not surprise me at all.

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I kinda expect it to be implied, but if it's outright mentioned in some way (in a way similar to how a character in FFT outright states that Moogles are extinct), that's fine to. Respects Ivalice lore and works for FFT.

Now, on the off chance Viera are confirmed, I cannot expect to see them in this game until 6.0. With 5.0 pretty much being the Garlean expansion (on a region dominated by Garleans), I can't imagine Viera appearing in this game until after (unless we see them mixed in with Garlean troops throughout 4.0) 5.X's completion. Since we have no idea what to expect on other regions that are to the west of Eorzea/Aldenard and east of Othard (and north of Islabard?), anything can be possible (there's not much lore about those places, aside from the Mamool Ja originally being from the "New World to the Far West" or something).

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

If that's what they do I'm actually fine with it. As long as it's their decision and not people here acting like they work for square enix and saying viera can't exist in Return to Ivalice. At least, unlike those people, I'm open minded to whatever the devs want to do.

That would be an interesting twist, can't wait to see what happens :)

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I don't hold the belief that Viera can't exist, nor do act like I work at SE and have some secret hidden information that you dont. I've simply countered your logic with publicly available research. I cannot say for certain that your idea won't happen, but if it does it would go against everything the devs have said, and be bad storytelling entirely designed to set up Viera, and that would probably create a negative backlash from the community, not a positive one (this thread is a small fraction of a larger community)

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Now, on the off chance Viera are confirmed, I cannot expect to see them in this game until 6.0. With 5.0 pretty much being the Garlean expansion

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I keep seeing this thrown around a lot, and I can only ask where people are getting that from. I mean, its fine to speculate but in one of the Live Letters, Yoshi P. stated the current expansions (3.0 to 5.0) are telling the story of the rebuilding of the Eorzean Alliance. 3.0 was about Ishgard, 4.0 will be about Ala Mhigo, which only leaves out Sharlayan for 5.0. Seems more likely we'd go after the Garleans in 6.0 rather than 5.0, and the Lorebook states that Sharlayan's population is racially diverse, so we have no idea what races are there and in what numbers. Could be there is a Viera-Like race living on Old Sharlayan.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

I keep seeing this thrown around a lot, and I can only ask where people are getting that from.

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Don't quote me on this because my memory is hazy on it, but I believe towards the end of 2.x Yoshi P said that the garlean story would end in 5.x, and given the way the story is going, Garlemauld is far more likely for 5.0 than Old Sharlayan (who knows though, they could pull an Othard and have us going to both). Stormblood has us advancing into Garlean territory, and Ilsabard (where Garlemauld is) borders Gyr abanya (where Ala Mhigo is).

People have been pretty spot on for predictions mostly, we assumed 4.0 would be Ala Mhigo, we assumed 3.0 would be Ishgard, so I'm pretty confident that 5.0 will be centered on Ilsabard with the current knowledge that we have.

And Rabanastre is in the Ilsabard territory.

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A: Now that you mention it, though, when Gaius first lands in Vylbrand, the voiced guy does say Othard. It stuck in my head because in another language he says he’s from Rabanastre.
KF: Guess where Rabanastre iiis! <laughs> There’s also a line in the Japanese version where they name-drop Dalmasss—<throat clearing> It’s not in English, but that’s where it is and maybe someday we’ll be seeing some of <heavy throat clearing>. But yes, that land bridge connects directly to Ilsabard. You cannot get to Othard from there without going through Ilsabard. So there’s the land bridge and it goes into Islabard <emphatic hand gestures>.
A: That’s what I thought at first, but someone asked in the forums and I was like, “Actually, no, I can’t say for sure…” But I went back and watched this old panel and you were doing the same <laughing> hand gestures and I was like, “Oh, man, it could be.”
KF: They got mad at me! They were like, “Don’t do that thing with your hands, people are looking into that!” Nooo, they’re nooot. “Yes, they are!”
F: And that‘s the guy <points at Anwyll> Right here.
A: Speaking of! We finally did find the other thing there with the uh, the Demon Tome. The hidden vertical “Cthulhu Fhtagn”. Took a while, but we got it!
KF: Thank you! But, yeah, in the end, think of [Aldenard into Ilsabard] as like, a LEGO brick with another one stuck onto it.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I don't hold the belief that Viera can't exist, nor do act like I work at SE and have some secret hidden information that you dont. I've simply countered your logic with publicly available research. I cannot say for certain that your idea won't happen, but if it does it would go against everything the devs have said, and be bad storytelling entirely designed to set up Viera, and that would probably create a negative backlash from the community, not a positive one (this thread is a small fraction of a larger community)

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What public available information? You never quote or link anything. Bad story telling is subjective, I claim it's great story telling. They already did a poll about races and your claim that you have numbers pulled out of who knows where can't be taken seriously. Get some numbers, do some research. Majority is not proof because in a pool of 5 or so other options viera couldn't be the majority, only a plurality so proving majority/minority cannot be proven.

Miqo'te is not the majority yet we know they'd be as popular as viera using logic

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I kinda expect it to be implied, but if it's outright mentioned in some way (in a way similar to how a character in FFT outright states that Moogles are extinct), that's fine to. Respects Ivalice lore and works for FFT.

Now, on the off chance Viera are confirmed, I cannot expect to see them in this game until 6.0. With 5.0 pretty much being the Garlean expansion (on a region dominated by Garleans), I can't imagine Viera appearing in this game until after (unless we see them mixed in with Garlean troops throughout 4.0) 5.X's completion. Since we have no idea what to expect on other regions that are to the west of Eorzea/Aldenard and east of Othard (and north of Islabard?), anything can be possible (there's not much lore about those places, aside from the Mamool Ja originally being from the "New World to the Far West" or something).

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Doma/Ala mhigo are controlled by the Garleans yet you found different races there. The areas the Garleans control have no bearing as to what races can be there. If you played FFXII you'd understand how similar FFXIV Rabanastre and FFXII are. Both controlled by an empire.