Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

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Originally Posted by Karen_Cerfrumos

I think the worldbuilding is a huge problem too. Original part of Eorzea we now know to be located somewhere around what is Africa on Earth, but that did not influence its design, it's a fairly uniquely laid out fantasy land with its own visual flairs and an assortment of cultures. Garlemald was a non-descript evil Empire so it had to be Rome, Russia with maybe a tinge of WW2 Germany. Well alright. Far East was oddly pan-Asian but still within expectations of a fantasy world. For some reason, Americas had to be semi-realistically represented - here's Machu Pichu, here's Texas (with cowboys) which from Yoshida's own words required "sensitivity consultants" to make sure it's being properly represented. But, huh? Why are you bringing real world representation into an ostensibly made up world all of a sudden? Why is the game in which people of various shapes and creeds have come together several times is now lecturing me on how banding together and accepting one another is good, actually? I heard some suggest that the role of WoL and scions was consciously toned down to avoid "white savior" syndrome, that's why the story is 90% Wuk and 10% Erenville. But... are you sure WoL is white? They don't hail from fantasy Europe and you can customize them to be a person of color, meanwhile a lot of people in Tural who aren't a birdman, a Hrothgar or a Mamool Ja is white with some exceptions. How did this happen?

You can't tell me Western diversity cultists aren't influencing the game in a big way, it is plain to see.

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I feel by 7.4 if not sooner it'll be the possible nail in the coffin. I think once I finish msq I'll quit till the next set Hildebrand series is fully released (if we even get that far with how the tourists tend to kill off any remaining enjoyment for whatever hobby or pastime they brute force their way into.) On my alt I'll be taking my sweet time getting her other jobs to 90 before I even consider Wuk's grand adventure. And that's if I don't end up quitting before level 100 on my main first. (I want to make it to Solution 9 at least)

It'll be pretty insane if FFXI outlasts this game, all because of pressure from the so called "minority" but SBI already dipped its claws in SE, Yoshida is gonna learn very fast that you should NEVER ever give those kind of people an inch, they are worse than cancer.

I hope this "Texas" zone will at least have a fitting bgm and not godforbid "Disney Wild West" to go with Tuliyollal's "Disney Resort"

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Originally Posted by DiscoDuck

I feel by 7.4 if not sooner it'll be the possible nail in the coffin. I think once I finish msq I'll quit till the next set Hildebrand series is fully released (if we even get that far with how the tourists tend to kill off any remaining enjoyment for whatever hobby or pastime they brute force their way into.) On my alt I'll be taking my sweet time getting her other jobs to 90 before I even consider Wuk's grand adventure. And that's if I don't end up quitting before level 100 on my main first. (I want to make it to Solution 9 at least)

It'll be pretty insane if FFXI outlasts this game, all because of pressure from the so called "minority" but SBI already dipped its claws in SE, Yoshida is gonna learn very fast that you should NEVER ever give those kind of people an inch, they are worse than cancer.

I hope this "Texas" zone will at least have a fitting bgm and not godforbid "Disney Wild West" to go with Tuliyollal's "Disney Resort"

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Do yourself a favor and just story skip. The only characters worth any screentime don't get any solution to their arcs until the very end of the last zone. By then I was so checked out I just didn't care anymore.

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Originally Posted by fioravictorine

Yeah I think its more like furries got control somewhere in the team

That amount of forceful screentime for Wuk is not normal :confused:

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She's definitely someone's self-insert OC. It fills every terrible fanfic trope. Right down to being instantly loved by all except for the overly-cruel mini-boss, who of course runs away crying after losing a fight against our fearless hero while our character watches approvingly.

I believe Wuk Lamat is going to become an integral part of the story until 9.0. After the end of the story, she has become a "Tural" guy of the scion, if there is anything Tural related, they are going to contact or interact with Wuk Lamat in some way. Hell, they may even elevate her to the "unofficial" member of the Scion due to her status and connection to WoL, former employer, companion, and semi-savior.

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Originally Posted by NiceNox

I believe Wuk Lamat is going to become an integral part of the story until 9.0. After the end of the story, she has become a "Tural" guy of the scion, if there is anything Tural related, they are going to contact or interact with Wuk Lamat in some way. Hell, they may even elevate her to the "unofficial" member of the Scion due to her status and connection to WoL, former employer, companion, and semi-savior.

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I'm praying that she's relegated to Lyse status and we don't see her ass again in anything important after DT is over and done with.

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Originally Posted by Karen_Cerfrumos

I think the worldbuilding is a huge problem too. Original part of Eorzea we now know to be located somewhere around what is Africa on Earth, but that did not influence its design, it's a fairly uniquely laid out fantasy land with its own visual flairs and an assortment of cultures. Garlemald was a non-descript evil Empire so it had to be Rome, Russia with maybe a tinge of WW2 Germany. Well alright. Far East was oddly pan-Asian but still within expectations of a fantasy world. For some reason, Americas had to be semi-realistically represented - here's Machu Pichu, here's Texas (with cowboys) which from Yoshida's own words required "sensitivity consultants" to make sure it's being properly represented. But, huh? Why are you bringing real world representation into an ostensibly made up world all of a sudden? Why is the game in which people of various shapes and creeds have come together several times is now lecturing me on how banding together and accepting one another is good, actually? I heard some suggest that the role of WoL and scions was consciously toned down to avoid "white savior" syndrome, that's why the story is 90% Wuk and 10% Erenville. But... are you sure WoL is white? They don't hail from fantasy Europe and you can customize them to be a person of color, meanwhile a lot of people in Tural who aren't a birdman, a Hrothgar or a Mamool Ja is white with some exceptions. How did this happen?

You can't tell me Western diversity cultists aren't influencing the game in a big way, it is plain to see.

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I thought the same. I started to not understand why everything is so realistic and so directly influenced by the real life? Like, we didn't need it to be america, just a new fantasy setting with inspiration, but it's plainly america for no reason, it started to hurt the setting with the ponchos in every npc you look at, which is NOT realistic, and then the cowboys part that was not necessary at all? And deserts and trains? We had that in the First. Like, Eorzea has inspiration from Europe but I can't say which part of it is Spain, France, Portugal, Italy, etc, because is well done, it has inspirations, it does not copy it to make it look like real life, because, trully it doesn't make sense. Even Garlemald is not Russia, but has some inspirations, that's it.

Stormblood was Lyse's story too but it was not to the point of Wuk's level of obnoxious

Stormblood retold with Wuk's style would be Lyse helping Cirina become Khagan and also helped Hien save Doma while WoL watches in the sidelines and nods

Oh and in the end, she comes up and gave Zenos+Shinryu a big ass whooping too to end the expansion. I wonder how well received this alternate Lyse would be lol

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Originally Posted by NiceNox

I believe Wuk Lamat is going to become an integral part of the story until 9.0. After the end of the story, she has become a "Tural" guy of the scion, if there is anything Tural related, they are going to contact or interact with Wuk Lamat in some way. Hell, they may even elevate her to the "unofficial" member of the Scion due to her status and connection to WoL, former employer, companion, and semi-savior.

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If they really put her into the main cast while ignoring Lyse (who they had no problem sidelining) I don‘t know if I ever want anything to do with this game anymore. It would just show how tonedeaf they are to even huge negative feedback across languages.

Right now it seems they wrote the story while on the high horse with EW (lots of players, lots of praise) thinking they could do everything right. Or maybe it was written in a time when Yoshida and co were preoccupied with something else and were to late to change anything. That would at least explain all the panic interviews before the expansion like saying „hey we will have lots and lots of content while saying almost nothing about the story.
At least that’s how I try to explain all this. But if they really continue this path it will become clear to me that they don‘t care for this game anymore and why should I care for them then?

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

If they really put her into the main cast while ignoring Lyse (who they had no problem sidelining) I don‘t know if I ever want anything to do with this game anymore. It would just show how tonedeaf they are to even huge negative feedback across languages.

Right now it seems they wrote the story while on the high horse with EW (lots of players, lots of praise) thinking they could do everything right. Or maybe it was written in a time when Yoshida and co were preoccupied with something else and were to late to change anything. That would at least explain all the panic interviews before the expansion like saying „hey we will have lots and lots of content while saying almost nothing about the story.
At least that’s how I try to explain all this. But if they really continue this path it will become clear to me that they don‘t care for this game anymore and why should I care for them then?

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Even so, EW is just good until the half of it. The it just has bits and pieces here and there that make you continue and say, well it's not that bad, I can accept it, let's continue. Then you have something you adore, and then something bad again. It was a bit of a mess but still enjoyable for everyone. DT it's not, everything is bad, and the worst is that I expected more of Erenville and Krile, who we know from before and they never had a chance to shine trully, but their opportunity is stoled by Wuk Lamat, which is a new character and I don't care about her. She was fine at the beginning, but when she stole everything from the other characters, and not just the WoL, I said: this is enough I hate you. I hated Zenos, but you are insufferable and a mary sue.

I believe that, right now, they believe that most of the negative feedback for Wuk Lamat are from the "loud minority" since they mostly ignore the forum and listen to content creators and twitter users. And since people on Twitter are quite positive towards Wuk Lamat, I believe that she will still play a major role up until or beyond the next expansion, acting as a new member of Scion and leaving Tural to Koana when she goes on adventure with the scion. Furthermore, since now "a threat to the world is a threat to Tural", we might see Wuk more often than we think.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

If they really put her into the main cast while ignoring Lyse (who they had no problem sidelining) I don‘t know if I ever want anything to do with this game anymore. It would just show how tonedeaf they are to even huge negative feedback across languages.

Right now it seems they wrote the story while on the high horse with EW (lots of players, lots of praise) thinking they could do everything right. Or maybe it was written in a time when Yoshida and co were preoccupied with something else and were to late to change anything. That would at least explain all the panic interviews before the expansion like saying „hey we will have lots and lots of content while saying almost nothing about the story.
At least that’s how I try to explain all this. But if they really continue this path it will become clear to me that they don‘t care for this game anymore and why should I care for them then?

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Arrogance and complacency will always bite developers in the ass eventually. Look at Blizzard, Bioware, Bethesda (lots of B's huh), they were all beloved developers who could do no wrong at one point, but look at them now. We can never take these things for granted.

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Originally Posted by NiceNox

I believe that, right now, they believe that most of the negative feedback for Wuk Lamat are from the "loud minority" since they mostly ignore the forum and listen to content creators and twitter users. And since people on Twitter are quite positive towards Wuk Lamat, I believe that she will still play a major role up until or beyond the next expansion, acting as a new member of Scion and leaving Tural to Koana when she goes on adventure with the scion. Furthermore, since now "a threat to the world is a threat to Tural", we might see Wuk more often than we think.

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You would be correct, so far this thread has 131 likes, there is most definitely more than 131 people playing this game if there was real support op would have gotten more likes, everyone I've spoken to ingame seems to find the story fine and are liking it, there seems to be no discourse.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

You would be correct, so far this thread has 131 likes, there is most definitely more than 131 people playing this game if there was real support op would have gotten more likes, everyone I've spoken to ingame seems to find the story fine and are liking it, there seems to be no discourse.

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Most people don't come to make an account to a forum, and a lot of people stopped playing because they don't like it, or they changed their wol and dropped it, or will just not engage with you because you want so badly be positive about a shitty writting that nobody can't critisize it even it many people don't like it. Like how many people is just talking to be canceled on twitter for saying they don't like with excuses and acusations like "you are just sexist and racist" and etc. I've seen many people being totally assholes because people don't like it and we want it to be better instead of what we got which is, not good.

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You would be correct, so far this thread has 131 likes, there is most definitely more than 131 people playing this game if there was real support op would have gotten more likes, everyone I've spoken to ingame seems to find the story fine and are liking it, there seems to be no discourse.

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There is discourse even in the game. I also had discussions in dungeon runs but both our experiences are just anecdotal.

Also you would have to look at the likes in comparison to forum dwellers just saying.

Third, be it the Japanese forum or the ff14 Reddit All those are known for positivity the Reddit one is even known for downvoting negative opinions but not this time.
There is far more discourse over the expansion story then ever before.
There are also quite a lot new people on the English forum just login in to give an opinion on the story so it’s not even the usual suspects this time.

I don‘t know what the majority thinks but thinking that’s it’s just the typical loud minority is wrong this time.

Just saying, there IS discourse out there.


Also twitter…
That side has become the dystopia of social media with going against anything not fitting into its agenda..
It’s a place that would have a place in some Orwell book. It’s one the reasons we have the media crisis like Star Wars or forspoken right now.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

You would be correct, so far this thread has 131 likes, there is most definitely more than 131 people playing this game if there was real support op would have gotten more likes, everyone I've spoken to ingame seems to find the story fine and are liking it, there seems to be no discourse.

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Don't worry. It's okay to like something others don't.

If they continue the story with her i let my sub go and rather play wow again. Story there is shit anyway, but at least the dungeons and raids are engaging. I really like FF Story, but if they ruin it like this, there is nothing for me that pulls me into this game.

Right now im just farming and leveling crafting jobs...somehow that is more engaging and fun then the whole of the msq.

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Originally Posted by Aurumis

Most people don't come to make an account to a forum, and a lot of people stopped playing because they don't like it, or they changed their wol and dropped it, or will just not engage with you because you want so badly be positive about a shitty writting that nobody can't critisize it even it many people don't like it. Like how many people is just talking to be canceled on twitter for saying they don't like with excuses and acusations like "you are just sexist and racist" and etc. I've seen many people being totally assholes because people don't like it and we want it to be better instead of what we got which is, not good.

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As I said in another post, I started off not liking her at all and no I don't use ENG VA never have so thats not the reason I liked her, I have only reached midpoint and I 've stopped playing the MSQ to do other things, Do i feel WL has too much screentime so far, yes I do, do I feel the need to absolutely dumpster fire and hate on the entire story, no I don't, this is the difference between us.

I like to think im a little more level headed than over emotional in a video game, if I honestly disliked it fully I would have completely quit and went and did something else, I have over 1000 games on steam alone in backlog, this doesnt include consoles so its not as if im lacking for things to do bar time to actually play :D

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If they continue the story with her i let my sub go and rather play wow again. Story there is shit anyway, but at least the dungeons and raids are engaging. I really like FF Story, but if they ruin it like this, there is nothing for me that pulls me into this game.

Right now im just farming and leveling crafting jobs...somehow that is more engaging and fun then the whole of the msq.

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This is fair and I understand why, but there are still other parts of the game to enjoy.

This little fella would be better MC for Dawntrail than Wuk Lamat. Change my mind...

https://i.imgur.com/1xIgaGP.jpeg

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

As I said in another post, I started off not liking her at all and no I don't use ENG VA never have so thats not the reason I liked her, I have only reached midpoint and I 've stopped playing the MSQ to do other things, Do i feel WL has too much screentime so far, yes I do, do I feel the need to absolutely dumpster fire and hate on the entire story, no I don't, this is the difference between us.

I like to think im a little more level headed than over emotional in a video game, if I honestly disliked it fully I would have completely quit and went and did something else, I have over 1000 games on steam alone in backlog, this doesnt include consoles so its not as if im lacking for things to do bar time to actually play :D



This is fair and I understand why, but there are still other parts of the game to enjoy.

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You are talking about something I didn't even mentioned. But let me tell you: the opinions and critiques are about THE STORY, some of the msq gameplay and the rest is praising the new zones, dungeons and trials which are good. So of course, people will still play it even if they despise the story of DT and Wuk Lamat. Because there is still something, and many of us paid the sub to play with friends too. So it's not like you are special saying this. Even disliking it fully, I have a subscription, I have friends to play with, and etc. Disliking it doesn't mean you go to play other games and that's it. It's just many people dropped the game because for them the Story and Wuk Lamat are reason enough. And don't let me start on how many people is sad about the change of the graphics of their WoL. But that has nothing to do with the main theme here, which is: the story is bad, and most of it comes from Wuk Lamat character.

If YoshiP has his balls intact, he will tell his team to slam the brakes on 7.1 and remake that shit. If I see any more of Wuk Lumat I'm quitting. This was a horrible expansion for so many reasons.

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Originally Posted by Aurumis

(...)the opinions and critiques are about THE STORY, some of the msq gameplay and the rest is praising the new zones, dungeons and trials which are good(...)

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This is something that people unhappy with our criticism tend to overlook. Often on purpose, I suspect. Like it's "MSQ or nothing".

I soldiered though MSQ because I still love the game and I want to play its other aspects. It just happens that in this expansion I have to go though horrible slog first.

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Originally Posted by Aurumis

You are talking about something I didn't even mentioned. But let me tell you: the opinions and critiques are about THE STORY, some of the msq gameplay and the rest is praising the new zones, dungeons and trials which are good. So of course, people will still play it even if they despise the story of DT and Wuk Lamat. Because there is still something, and many of us paid the sub to play with friends too. So it's not like you are special saying this. Even disliking it fully, I have a subscription, I have friends to play with, and etc. Disliking it doesn't mean you go to play other games and that's it. It's just many people dropped the game because for them the Story and Wuk Lamat are reason enough. And don't let me start on how many people is sad about the change of the graphics of their WoL. But that has nothing to do with the main theme here, which is: the story is bad, and most of it comes from Wuk Lamat character.

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What the absolute heck... the thread and I quote is:

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Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

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And I talked literally about doing other things within game aswell as im not the biggest WL fan I just tolerate her and If I was fully unhappy with the game I would do the sensible thing of putting the game down cancelling my sub and doing something else...

But dude, you do you if your gonna hate boner every single thread because you dislike the story and claim because its your opinion you do you but jesus f christ man, grow and and act like an adult not a 12 year old

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Originally Posted by SushiOishiiii

If YoshiP has his balls intact, he will tell his team to slam the brakes on 7.1 and remake that shit. If I see any more of Wuk Lumat I'm quitting. This was a horrible expansion for so many reasons.

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All I'm gonna say is the story is planned and paid for, they won't change it now.

One last thing to note, smart people do NOT come to these forums, I feel stupid for even trying to participate, you guys all have fun, im logging out of these forums now as it's just a circlejerk of negativity no positivity about the game is allowed, fml.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

im logging out of these forums now as it's just a circlejerk of negativity no positivity about the game is allowed, fml.

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6a/e3...76def197da.gif

I agree DT is trash and WL is the worst addition to the game. (Don't dare diss the English v/a though or you'll get every label under the sun against you)

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Originally Posted by MatthiusAbysswalker

I agree DT is trash and WL is the worst addition to the game. (Don't dare diss the English v/a though or you'll get every label under the sun against you)

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Personal problems of EN VA are irrelevant. It doesn't matter who you are, what you are and where you crawled out from. If you can't do your job properly, someone else should take the spot.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

Personal problems of EN VA are irrelevant. It doesn't matter who you are, what you are and where you crawled out from. If you can't do your job properly, someone else should take the spot.

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Oh I completely agree with you so no arguments from me.

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And I talked literally about doing other things within game aswell as im not the biggest WL fan I just tolerate her and If I was fully unhappy with the game I would do the sensible thing of putting the game down cancelling my sub and doing something else...

But dude, you do you if your gonna hate boner every single thread because you dislike the story and claim because its your opinion you do you but jesus f christ man, grow and and act like an adult not a 12 year old

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Like wtf I just said what people is doing and how they are having fun in other areas and how people who don't like it just dropped the game because this is true and many people is saying it in this forum and reddit? What is that I did not do from an adult person talking normally and stating their thoughts? The kid of 12 years old seems to be you.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

One last thing to note, smart people do NOT come to these forums, I feel stupid for even trying to participate, you guys all have fun, im logging out of these forums now as it's just a circlejerk of negativity no positivity about the game is allowed, fml.

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I would advice you r/ffxiv, they are known to be super positive about the game, to the point negativity is usually downvoted to oblivion, but even there they have the same discourse as here this time.

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I would advice you r/ffxiv, they are known to be super positive about the game, to the point negativity is usually downvoted to oblivion, but even there they have the same discourse as here this time.

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Actually r/ffxiv has become uncharacteristically critical, same with r/ffxivdiscussion. r/ShitpostXIV is where you want to go, they love strawmanning any complaints over there, which is shame as dunking on DT has some truly great shitpost potential, but they care more about whiteknighting the game than posting anything actually fun.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...qZpkg&usqp=CAU
This guy might be a bullshitter but he is still a better character than Wuk Lamat

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Originally Posted by NiceNox

I believe that, right now, they believe that most of the negative feedback for Wuk Lamat are from the "loud minority" since they mostly ignore the forum and listen to content creators and twitter users. And since people on Twitter are quite positive towards Wuk Lamat, I believe that she will still play a major role up until or beyond the next expansion, acting as a new member of Scion and leaving Tural to Koana when she goes on adventure with the scion. Furthermore, since now "a threat to the world is a threat to Tural", we might see Wuk more often than we think.

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That's a scary thought and I hope it's not true. Listening to Twitter of all things...uuuh...*shivers*
This is like a death sentence to media.

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Originally Posted by Aniise

That's a scary thought and I hope it's not true. Listening to Twitter of all things...uuuh...*shivers*
This is like a death sentence to media.

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Given squares recent track record I wouldn‘t be surprised.
I always thought ff14 would be save from that with Yoshida though.
Either he was sleeping, overworked or doesn‘t care anymore.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

Given squares recent track record I wouldn‘t be surprised.
I always thought ff14 would be save from that with Yoshida though.
Either he was sleeping, overworked or doesn‘t care anymore.

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Considering he was leading development of FFXVI at the time DT was made, that is easy to see.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

Given squares recent track record I wouldn‘t be surprised.
I always thought ff14 would be save from that with Yoshida though.
Either he was sleeping, overworked or doesn‘t care anymore.

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He made it onto the board of directors, checked out to direct XVI, and is now in the early stages of directing another game. I doubt he cares much about XIV at this point beyond its cash cow status.

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I always thought ff14 would be save from that with Yoshida though.
Either he was sleeping, overworked or doesn‘t care anymore.

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Probably overworked, getting older, and has to be focused on too many things at once. CBU3 was more successful than they ever thought, and they had the chance to work on lot more stuff (XVI and 2 other ongoing projects I think ?), but it comes with the price of not being able to pay the same attention to every single project.
Of course I realize it's not a one-man job and there was, and still is, several people involved, but even then the observation is still the same.

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Originally Posted by Shaedhen

Probably overworked, getting older, and has to be focused on too many things at once. CBU3 was more successful than they ever thought, and they had the chance to work on lot more stuff (XVI and 2 other ongoing projects I think ?), but it comes with the price of not being able to pay the same attention to every single project.
Of course I realize it's not a one-man job and there was, and still is, several people involved, but even then the observation is still the same.

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I feel like Yoshida might have mentally checked out after the conclusion of 6.0 Endwalker. He did what he set out to do, he turned the sinking ship around, saved the legacy of Final Fantasy, kept the game growing, successful and wildly profitable for over a decade. That's incredible and anyone would be tired, as a creator. That said, if he doesn't have the energy or time to spare to maintain the quality of FFXIV, then I think he should step down and let someone else take over. I know that is basically blasphemy to say, but nothing lasts forever and sometimes we have to move on, even if it's heartbreaking.

Leaving FFXIV to others sounds like a scary thought. With the amount of cash it makes, FFXIV is going to be the pie everybody wants a cut. We might see more mess up and unorganized Expansion with even more monetization and out of touch decisions.

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Actually r/ffxiv has become uncharacteristically critical, same with r/ffxivdiscussion. r/ShitpostXIV is where you want to go, they love strawmanning any complaints over there, which is shame as dunking on DT has some truly great shitpost potential, but they care more about whiteknighting the game than posting anything actually fun.

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I mean not really as far as I have seen.
Even the Shitpost has quite a number of memes about the story and criticism is just used to… well shitpost.
There is quite a number of people also criticizing.
But the shitpost sub is not good to get an overview of opinions.

On the r/ffivx there are a quit a number of people implying they were defending the game before vehemently. And there was actually lots of downvoting on healerstrike posts and job critique.
It did such a 180 that they are downvoting the few opinions approving of the story.

DT actually has managed to unite the official forum of English and Japanese and both Reddit subs
That’s quite the accomplishment tbh.
I haven’t looked into content creator feedback yet because I hate twitch but let’s see.

I don't know how anyone can say it's the vocal minority with a straight face.

DT is unanimously criticized on each FFXIV reddit and across each regions forums. The main sub is notorious for silencing any criticism immediately, but that's not happening anymore.
DT currently is the lowest rated expansion of FFXIV (including ARR) on both Steam and Metacritic. The Metacritic score is even going down over time as more and more people finish.
The only place I've seen with an overwhelmingly positive response to DT is Twitter, but how much of it is because the people with larger followings are controlling the narrative there? Twitter is very unfriendly to small accounts, whereas other sites aren't and everyone's opinion can be seen equally.

At what point is it not a vocal minority? Seems like a pretty substantial chunk of people to me considering how much filled every platform with discourse. Not even Stormblood was this bad.

An aside - I wonder what it's going to be like once KR and CN get a hold of DT. They can be absolutely savage sometimes.

A vocal minority becomes the majority when they start saying something I agree with.