Shots Fired: A Machinist Guide

Don't know about you guys but after playing MCH from the start of 3.0 i really can't stand anymore casting the ability..... Missing the bard from 2.x.....

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Originally Posted by Bissani

Don't know about you guys but after playing MCH from the start of 3.0 i really can't stand anymore casting the ability..... Missing the bard from 2.x.....

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Swap classes then.

Leveled summoner just to get machinist. Reach 52 with machinist, zzz. I feel I might as well go back to summoner if casting must be a thing.

With machinist at least u can plan your movement or even have freedom of movement compared to bard.

Move when u have procs. Plan movement withholding procs and when to effectively use ammo.

Bard on the other hand got..... NOTHING other than using faint or switch off wm.

Machinist is designed well around GB no doubt.

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Originally Posted by CedricDur

Leveled summoner just to get machinist. Reach 52 with machinist, zzz. I feel I might as well go back to summoner if casting must be a thing.

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May I ask why you leveled SMN for MCH when Archer and Lancer are the job's subs?

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Originally Posted by Empty-handed

With machinist at least u can plan your movement or even have freedom of movement compared to bard.

Move when u have procs. Plan movement withholding procs and when to effectively use ammo.

Bard on the other hand got..... NOTHING other than using faint or switch off wm.

Machinist is designed well around GB no doubt.

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bards have straighter shot procs

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Originally Posted by Empty-handed

Machinist is designed well around GB no doubt.

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Agreed.

Does anyone know if there are updated stat weights floating around?

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Originally Posted by Aiurily

bards have straighter shot procs

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Which never procs in time unless you purposely delay your next weaponskill. Machinist requires forecasting and planning with ammo consumption, bard used to require fast reaction to pick up procs or else you'd waste them (which is now rendered moot because WM more or less disallows this). Both jobs also play nearly identical to each other under the effects of GB/WM, except MCH was designed around it so it flows more naturally when it comes to watching for procs and planning ahead.

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Originally Posted by Ephier

Agreed.

Does anyone know if there are updated stat weights floating around?

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Front page was updated with this in 3.01. Not sure if anyone has updated since then. For now my stat weights have been based off this:

w/ GB
WD - 10.71
Dexterity - 1.000
Determination - 0.125
Critical Hit Rate - 0.140
Skill Speed - 0.020

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Front page was updated with this in 3.01. Not sure if anyone has updated since then. For now my stat weights have been based off this:

w/ GB
WD - 10.71
Dexterity - 1.000
Determination - 0.125
Critical Hit Rate - 0.140
Skill Speed - 0.020

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Those are the same I am already using then. Was just wondering if skill speed got any stronger from more testing.

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Originally Posted by Ephier

Those are the same I am already using then. Was just wondering if skill speed got any stronger from more testing.

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I don't think so since we only have one DoT. Although I feel like skill speed could have a helping hand in getting all my shots in for Wildfire opener. I think Skill Speed is a more valuable stat on BRD.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I don't think so since we only have one DoT. Although I feel like skill speed could have a helping hand in getting all my shots in for Wildfire opener. I think Skill Speed is a more valuable stat on BRD.

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I agree. But them cast times under fey wind with all the retarded amount of skill speed we get from alex gear is ridiculous. I'm going to miss it when it goes bye. :<

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Originally Posted by Ephier

I agree. But them cast times under fey wind with all the retarded amount of skill speed we get from alex gear is ridiculous. I'm going to miss it when it goes bye. :<

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If you are mixing and doing BiS with AF2 armor, there really isn't that much skill speed. The BiS I made (subject to changed based on accuracy requirements on A3/4 and change again based on information I gather from other's BiS), we get a grossing amount of crit in comparison to determination and skill speed.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R3KD

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Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

This is how much time I can get to react for procs with Gauss Barrel on:

http://i.imgur.com/Qlv6jXr.png

Holy shit, it's not easy...0.31 seconds to react...and skill queue looks like 0.5...You can't spam Split Shot and wait for procs...You are fucked right now with GB. It's pretty disgusting.

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how much sks do you have as machinist? From the looks of things your lodestone is bard atm so I'm not 100% sure how accurate it is. with 540 sks on my machinst i don't have this kind of problem with such a small window :O is it your latency?

So question, do you guys think its worth to get the chest piece first then go to the weapon?

The chest piece is 4 weeks from Alex Normal while the Eso chest piece is 2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by RazzleDazzle

So question, do you guys think its worth to get the chest piece first then go to the weapon?

The chest piece is 4 weeks from Alex Normal while the Eso chest piece is 2 weeks.

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Weapon Damage > everything else

Your ilvl180 body works just fine and still better than the ilvl190 one from Alexander Normal. Prioritize your weapon, then get the body piece next.

And it's bis. I'm debating the same thing. Delay the weapon or get eso chest.

And it will solve future accuracy deficiency.

how much dex = 1 WD?

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Originally Posted by Empty-handed

And it's bis. I'm debating the same thing. Delay the weapon or get eso chest.

And it will solve future accuracy deficiency.

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Unless you are in A3S/A4S and killing for accuracy, I would not recommend getting it over a new gun first. If you do the math, the DPS upgrade from the weapon heavily outweighs the stats the body would give you. Get your weapon first.

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Originally Posted by RazzleDazzle

how much dex = 1 WD?

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1 WD = 10.71
1 DEX = 1.00

wep if you can solve acc issues (read: i180 crafted or a1s earrings+a2s belt/feet) for a3s/a4s. need around 630-635 for the frontal portion of a3s, which is likely to be flank req in a4s

if you can't.. still wep. just downgrade accessories for more acc

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Originally Posted by Aiurily

wep if you can solve acc issues (read: i180 crafted or a1s earrings+a2s belt/feet) for a3s/a4s. need around 630-635 for the frontal portion of a3s, which is likely to be flank req in a4s

if you can't.. still wep. just downgrade accessories for more acc

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Had to downgrade my entire set for a1s. Was ilvl 186 with 466 acc, spiders were having none of it. Had to drop down to i180 to meet acc cap. Sad days for the short lala.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

May I ask why you leveled SMN for MCH when Archer and Lancer are the job's subs?

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That was me not being clear. What I meant was that I leveled to 50 (with the summoner) in order to be able to pick the Machinist.

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Originally Posted by CedricDur

That was me not being clear. What I meant was that I leveled to 50 (with the summoner) in order to be able to pick the Machinist.

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What I am asking is if you had intent on leveling MCH from the start, why did you not pick a job that benefits from it? Raging Strikes, Blood for Blood, and Invigorate are too good to pass up. If you leveled SMN and decided later you wanted to MCH is one thing. If you started and had MCH in mind from the beginning, you should of played BRD or DRG up to 50.

I liked summoner. I needed one class to reach 50, summoner it was. I don't like melee though if I ever get serious and decide to raid I suppose I'll have to level lancer and such for the cross skills. FF14's system isn't very palatable. Give me Rift's talent tree anytime.

But anyway, yeah, just considering my summoner again. I wanted to try machinist just for the magitech and guns aesthetics despite knowing about Gauss. It has been tried, Gauss sucks the fun out of the class. which is what it boils down to. Not the mechanical howmuchDPScanyoudo, just the fun aspect. Might as well get near infinite resources, strong AoE, self-heals, battle res and etc if casting enters the equation. Machinist burst was nice though, and all the weaving of OGCDs.

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Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

This is how much time I can get to react for procs with Gauss Barrel on:

http://i.imgur.com/Qlv6jXr.png

Holy shit, it's not easy...0.31 seconds to react...and skill queue looks like 0.5...You can't spam Split Shot and wait for procs...You are fucked right now with GB. It's pretty disgusting.

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Originally Posted by RazeLandale

I wonder if cast times on slug and clean and instant split shot would be the answer. That gives you time to react to slug shot procs and while it'd be hard to react to clean shot procs...you wouldn't need to. You can go straight from slug shot back to split shot, if you got a clean shot proc it can hold(So like, 1, 2, 1, 3, 2... with all procs and a generic control setup). It'd make more since for the big hits to be the ones with the cast times anyway.

*cut some message off for 1000 words*.

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i think the answer is to allow slug shot proc to stack 2 times
1.split shot -> split shot -> notice that slug shot proc from 1st split and even if this split also proc it, it not matter since it will stack 2 times-> slug shot -> split -> clean shot or slug depend on proc

if someone agree with this and have good English writing skill, please write the proper recommend for it

Is anyone else here having problems with ACT not parsing their Wildfire?

My ACT is registering it's use, but not it's damage whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla

Is anyone else here having problems with ACT not parsing their Wildfire?

My ACT is registering it's use, but not it's damage whatsoever.

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Yes, I have been having this issue as well even with network parsing, it will register for the first wildfire but any Wildfire after that it will not.

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Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla

Is anyone else here having problems with ACT not parsing their Wildfire?

My ACT is registering it's use, but not it's damage whatsoever.

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Let it run through your firewall, run as administrator, and keep network parsing up.

Hey, y'all! I'm a fresh lvl 60 MCH and had a quick question in regards to Wildfire. Does turret damage contribute to your Wildfire damage? Or is it just your damage skills that add up to the big burst at the end? I'm on the PS4 so I can't parse myself to really test it.

Thanks for the help, and sorry if this question has been asked before!

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Let it run through your firewall, run as administrator, and keep network parsing up.

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I have all of that already set up. IT was working before, but has suddenly stopped. I've fully updated and sorted everything out.

Hey im currently level 41 mch and wondering whats easy rotation and is there any macro's could help me do decent dps well ?

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Originally Posted by Trepesque

Hey, y'all! I'm a fresh lvl 60 MCH and had a quick question in regards to Wildfire. Does turret damage contribute to your Wildfire damage? Or is it just your damage skills that add up to the big burst at the end? I'm on the PS4 so I can't parse myself to really test it.

Thanks for the help, and sorry if this question has been asked before!

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Its only contributed by you.

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Originally Posted by Drakeos

Hey im currently level 41 mch and wondering whats easy rotation and is there any macro's could help me do decent dps well ?

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At 41, for single target. You can pretty much use most of the lv.60 rotation, you just will not have access to Gauss Barrel, Gauss Round, Hypercharge, or Ricochet.

That's kinda what I suspected. Thanks, Velhart!

I also have a newbie question about rotation I havn't been able to settle from reading the thread and guide.

When it comes down to cooldown rotation, firstly - Wildfire (90 sec) and reload (60 sec) don't line up nicely at all. Should I:

A) Use reload moment it comes back up, delay using wildfire again for 30 seconds after it finishes cooldown
B) Hold reload for 30 seconds until wildfire comes back up.
C) Neither, use both as and when they come up.

Secondly, damage bonus cooldowns in general, after the initial burst do I want to hold back the cooldowns for the next burst, or should I use them as they come off cooldown like most other DPS classes would? - I played DRG for several months and pretty much mastered the class, but DRG's DPS is a sustained model by comparrison, when MCH seems to have much more distinct burst/idle phases. So unsure if the same rules apply to cooldown use.

C) I believe gets you the most DPS over the long run. However you have to think about the fight...if we consider Faust which takes roughly 2:30 you use reload/reassemble as soon as it comes up but should delay the second WF/hawkeye/rapid fire until reload/reassemble is back up.

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Originally Posted by Dantalien

C) I believe gets you the most DPS over the long run. However you have to think about the fight...if we consider Faust which takes roughly 2:30 you use reload/reassemble as soon as it comes up but should delay the second WF/hawkeye/rapid fire until reload/reassemble is back up.

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Yeah I meant for straight up "target dummy" bosses that provide high up-time. Naturally fights that have invulnerable phases, or DPS check phases you'd adapt your cooldown usage in line with that.

WIldfire doesn't seem counted if I tried to parse. Is ther anyway for it to appear in ACT? Thanks

Hey all,

I have a few questions as a MCN on Ravana Ex.


I know when he has a red shell, that's when you should be popping your CDs, but when I seem to hold my first burst rotation, I don't seem to get as high as I popped at the beginning.

Here is what I do:

- Pre fight, pop RS, HE, BfB, HC.
- Hotshot > Wildfire > Leadshot

And then Reload into my opener. The reason I pop Wildfire so early on, is so that it will be up as soon as he lands after casting Prelude, which means I can get a full WF pop onto his face (minus RS and HC) as he charges up Liberation.

This gives my WF and all CDs to come off CD for as he lands after Bloody Fuller, where I can do a full CD rotation on his face with RS and HC. So far, I have found this to give me the best DPS possible for me. (I lack the hive weapon, but have mostly Alex gear and Eso stuff, ilvl 185)

Depending on how the fights goes, I end up on 850-900 DPS, maybe a tad more depending on how lucky my crits are and how perfectly I play.

Question is, should I hold my RS and HC for the while he is casting Liberation and gain the full effects of his increased dmg at that stage instead? If I do that, I lose out on a lot of early burst.

What do you do for Ravana Ex?

So what are the rotation that could be easy for me to remember cause been using hot shot > lead shot then just been pressing priority of buttons when i do split shot > slug shot > clean shot ...

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Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla

Hey all,

I have a few questions as a MCN on Ravana Ex.


I know when he has a red shell, that's when you should be popping your CDs, but when I seem to hold my first burst rotation, I don't seem to get as high as I popped at the beginning.

Here is what I do:

- Pre fight, pop RS, HE, BfB, HC.
- Hotshot > Wildfire > Leadshot

And then Reload into my opener. The reason I pop Wildfire so early on, is so that it will be up as soon as he lands after casting Prelude, which means I can get a full WF pop onto his face (minus RS and HC) as he charges up Liberation.

This gives my WF and all CDs to come off CD for as he lands after Bloody Fuller, where I can do a full CD rotation on his face with RS and HC. So far, I have found this to give me the best DPS possible for me. (I lack the hive weapon, but have mostly Alex gear and Eso stuff, ilvl 185)

Depending on how the fights goes, I end up on 850-900 DPS, maybe a tad more depending on how lucky my crits are and how perfectly I play.

Question is, should I hold my RS and HC for the while he is casting Liberation and gain the full effects of his increased dmg at that stage instead? If I do that, I lose out on a lot of early burst.

What do you do for Ravana Ex?

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Ok I noticed I was having a similar problem when I first started dealing with ravana. The reason is if you wait til ravana pops his red shell to start your opener Wildfire won't go off, because he'll go invincible before the timer runs out on it. The answer I came too is to start popping my CDs and applying fully buffed Lead Shot when Ravana is at 88% health. Assuming your dps is fast enough, you should be applying Wildfire about the same time he begins going into Red Shell, the debuff from Hypercharge should last through most of the starting phase as well. Your second Wildfire burst, aka the weaker one, will be up and ready in time for Warlord Shell. It's up to you weather you want to use it here or not, as Wildfire itself will do about 2k-2.5k damage (at least for me) do to warlord shell making him take 0 damage. After that it will be back up and ready for use just before orbs. And I'm sure you can figure the rest out from there.