Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

The Meta is the reuslt of "incentiv" and "what is possible" this is created by the Dev's and this is in fact SE. Healing in FF is binary this means heal 1 point above what the boss is doing and you done. So all feedback with "increase the healing" is nonsense from people that have no clue or idea of how healing in F14 works.
And no the dev team does nothing but cater to people that hate healing and want it to be as easy as possible. I tell you, i looked at the healing history of FF14 and the thing is what healers want is something to do. I never encountered or heard of "i want more dps" form main-healer like myself. Its more like, give us something to do and not one button smash. We complaint about the RNG of the AST, or the weird Lilys or that the Fey is annoying to use but NEVER is the mainpoint more dps. Its SE that promotes DPS lately to hell and back (look at the tanks) and takes away interactions. So we are left with DPS and now you telling me hey everybody now can do DPS and embrace this except healer because F*** them ?

IN my opinion SE has 3 ways to go about that: 1. Healers get DPS options 2. Changing the healing demand and how the kit interacts 3. buff/debuff mechanics for healer and embrace the supporter role

but sadly it will be the option number 4. Ewww... healer, take the DoT away and make the healing an aura and we need to complete a dance QtE to heal (this is sarcasm, thank you)

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

I suspect that WoW is the reason for this. If the healers are difficult and a mistake of them causes others to die. Those players will instantly start blaming the healer (instead of themselve for taking damage in the first place).

Making healers approachable is on that at least a safer approach. Its just that in low healing situations they just often are lacking. And especialy in skilled situations, it just doesnt scale well if healers are made harder. If the healer dies, the rest of the team cant sustain anymore then, and dies as a result, which brings back the blaming problem.

If healers got a consistent way to get revived without a healer this might be solved, but then again, who is going to do that? If the healer is at a bad place reviving is most likely not going to be a viable option (standing inside a aoe to revive and risk getting killed that way). This is why most games in which respawning exists in a way that allows the healer to come back, simply have better performance on healer classes. A dead healer in those cases makes a fight difficult, but not impossible (usualy requires some retreating, but it can be managed). But bossfights in FFXIV simply do not allow this (and i think that this is a good feature). This is even why 2 healers in a party is often needed. Just so you can revive each other.

Balancing games is often a mess, and only because some players are very likely to blame others.

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One of the things that i always found odd in FFXIV is that as a healer in a game that is supposedly based upon the trinity, i don't have a way to revive myself. In other games i typically had a skill to do so. In one game it was available anywhere on a very long CD, so basically in a dungeon running 20 minutes it could be set before the dungeon, used (if necessary) in the dungeon and would be available once more in the dungeon.

as you said, a healer can die in a bad place, those revival skills typically had a timer- in one AOE I had 2 minutes- so if I died in an AOE, that should give time to get up. Of course it doesn't solve every problem, but it's interesting that it isn't available in this game.

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Originally Posted by Ixon

SE didnt create the damage meta though, the players did. If you look back in history, damage has been the name of the game since Gordias, where the DPS check of specifically Faust was so intense that people were having their healers DPS just to help. From then on it was on a path that couldn't change back.

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Okay…and who designed Gordias? The playerbase? No. The developers created it. And they overtuned it. They outright admitted that—and I can respect that they acknowledged their own fault when it came to Gordias; and to a lesser extent Midas, since A6S had to be nerfed during its period of relevancy. But, at the end of the day, they were the ones who released the overtuned product, and started the entire “healers DPS” thing. Which, it’s my understanding that healers still contributed to damage in ARR, so its not like healer DPS is some kind of new phenomenon that came to be in HW; and, before, healers just stood around waiting for damage.

You can try to blame the playerbase for enforcing a healer DPS meta, but it never would have been necessary in Gordias if the fights hadn’t been that poorly tuned.

Since then, healer damage has steadily increased and continues to be a not at all small contribution. Again, this seems to be an intended design by the developers. They aren’t designing healers to deal piddly damage—instead, two good healers can net more combined DPS than the highest parsing DPS job. In ShB, healers were dealing more damage than some of the tanks. Currently, healer contribution to damage is high enough that any healer who refuses to deal damage is straight-up griefing their party. Then, we need to turn to the actual healing requirements of any given fight. They are all quite low—even in Ultimate fights, healers playing super duper safety gamer can spend less than 50% of all their GCDs on healing abilities. So what else is there for them to do? They certainly can’t stand around doing nothing, because how is that fair to the other party members? Not to mention, how is that not incredibly boring? So they DPS.

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Rumors become stated facts that spread like wildfire. If you were a tank not in STR gear or not tanking in OT stance, you were bad. If you were a healer not DPSing, you were bad. If you GCD'd as a healer, you were bad. These aren't made up, and were real stigmas that took root back in HW. Then there was the fact that SE did NOT want to enforce healer DPS, as they knew it was a point of contention till they accepted the communities desire to be green DPS in ShB. Though in order to try to appease both the people who wanted to DPS and those that didnt as a healer, they made the DPS simple and approachable so there wasnt a main deterrent from their main job of being a healer.

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Have you ever stopped to think why there is such an emphasis on damage? Maybe it’s because every other interesting aspect of combat has been steadily removed.

Debuffs? Well, you have DoTs (those that are left, anyways), but you certainly aren’t utilizing any other sort of crowd control like Slows or Stuns to affect the boss. The only CC that gets used now is the occasional Interrupt. We’re maybe lucky to see it once in a raid tier. And you don’t get cleansable debuffs that affect the party very often either—the last one I can even think of is Throttle from TEA. Before that? The Doom in Exdeath normal mode (it doesn’t make an appearance in Savage).

What about enmity? Well, tanks look menacingly at a boss now and gain aggro. There’s no more enmity management on behalf of the DPS or healers to go alongside tank stance dancing.

Damage to tanks? Tanks started stance dancing for damage, yes—but there was also very little to gain by being in tank stance when incoming damage to them could be mitigated by their cooldowns or by their party members. The decrease in damage from old tank stance’s defensive gain was not nearly as valuable as the damage they gained by being in their DPS stance.

Mitigation? Everyone and their mother has AOE mitigation to protect the party, so any mitigative skills that healers have (Temperance, Collective Unconscious, Neutral Sect, Sacred Soil, Fey Illumination, Kerachole, Holos), become even less frequently used since tanks all have an AOE mitigation, physical ranged all have one, Addle and Feint work on both physical and magical raidwides now with varying mitigation percentages, and RDM got Magic Barrier in EW. Everyone has mitigation for days, and it becomes an issue where 1. The raidwides do significantly less damage, which requires less healing; and 2. The mitigative tools healers have in their kits lose importance and use.

Resource management? With the exception of WHM, all healers are MP positive. So they don’t really need to focus on mana conservation.

And finally: healing? Healers can heal current Savage with just oGCDs and not much else because outgoing damage is so infrequent and nonthreatening. So what do we focus on instead? Damage. The only attempts the devs seem to make at forcing GCD healing are heal-to-full mechanics, which aren’t that interesting and end up being more of a waste than anything else. They give us plenty of shiny toys, but all are oGCD and they lessen the need to GCD heal. It’s also quite annoying that our toolkits are bloated with healing tools, but they are not necessary to put to use in most content. I can think of a few tight healer checks, but they are very few and far between. And a lot of them become less threatening the moment people start getting better gear and outgearing them.

This game has become damage-centric, and you cannot pin the blame entirely on the community. Not when the developers remove the other aspects of combat, and lessen the amount of healing needed despite healer mains asking for there to be higher healing requirements. The community is adapting to what the game is becoming: more “accessible”. A lot of these more nuanced things have been removed for accessibility reasons—and while I don’t believe accessibility is inherently bad by itself, I do believe it becomes a problem when job engagement is traded for it.

As it stands, I’m only engaged on a healer when everything is going to shite. But even then, I have so many tools at my disposal, going into damage control is fairly easy. When things are smooth? Well, I’m pressing my single-target nuke until my thumb falls off.

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Y'all can keep playing the victim card and shake in your boots at Big Bad Yoshi no wanting fun, but where healers are now is a by product of a thought process that started in HW and one that the dev team is still trying to get right. Yes, we all feel sorry for every person who chooses a healer and I commend then every instance cause it must be rough.

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Healers as they stand now are gimped damage dealers. We aren’t even healers, considering that healing requirements in any halfway competent party are incredibly low. They’re virtually non-existent in a stellar party. And we have so many tools to deal with the clown fiestas, the only time I feel like I break a mild sweat as a healer is Day 1 of a new 24-man alliance raid.

I never asked to be turned into a gimped DPS. If anything, I’d prefer more to heal—a lot of healer mains would—but the developers won’t do that. They have said that increasing damage dealt and incoming damage to a party would “stress out new and inexperienced healers”, so veteran healers just have to be bored for the majority of a fight; and steadily wear down their damage nuke hotkey.

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Originally Posted by Ixon

Y'all can keep playing the victim card and shake in your boots at Big Bad Yoshi no wanting fun, but where healers are now is a by product of a thought process that started in HW and one that the dev team is still trying to get right. Yes, we all feel sorry for every person who chooses a healer and I commend then every instance cause it must be rough.

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You got me. We've been begging for Square to make healer gameplay into 11111111111111111111111 for years, and now it's all our faults.

But not me. I'll buck the system. Instead of 1111111, I'll play healers as they were intended. Spamming Medica 2 at random and using various dance emotes in the other 40 seconds of that minute.

After all, it's the *players* who designed the jobs to have those choices in gameplay. The devs can't help that healer mains are heads of cabbage who didn't make it past the object permanence stage of development.

Or....ooooor... They were designed by a bunch of DPS mains who see healers as resources rather than as classes anyone would actually want to play. That's just my guess.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Healers as they stand now are gimped damage dealers. We aren’t even healers, considering that healing requirements in any halfway competent party are incredibly low. They’re virtually non-existent in a stellar party. And we have so many tools to deal with the clown fiestas, the only time I feel like I break a mild sweat as a healer is Day 1 of a new 24-man alliance raid.

I never asked to be turned into a gimped DPS.

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Fantastic write-up.

I agree that it sucked to be gimped out damage dealers, but that just is the direction FFXIV's gameplay has evolved. The game's preferred method of "challenge" now is more in scripted DDR-style attack avoidance rather than healing. Because that is a much more tangible, intuitive thing players can pick up rather than having to decipher dozens of tooltips. So I think green/blue-DPS is going to stay.

However, I don't think *just* fixing DPS options for healers is necessarily what the devs should do. It's the easy, obvious option to give each healer a DPS mini-game, but it's also the absolute minimum they deserve. Other things that I think would help:

1) Give healers higher DPS, comparable to tanks. It just isn't fair right now when RDM and SMN can heal and rez and still do comparable DPS to physical DPS. I know the devs don't want to obviate tank roles, but that shouldn't mean totally gimping an entire role to do it. Make healers a tad squishier or give them some movement limitations so that they can't totally replace tanks, but at least let them do damage if that is what they are doing 90 percent of the time.

2) Give healers CC/Debuffs/DoTs. I don't care about the failure that was DR, debuffs should still be a large focus of the game. They are fun and can add so much variety to playstyle. This wouldn't fix raids/trials much because they are scripted (except for adds), but they would make dungeon runs a lot more engaging for healers and that's like half the battle.

3) Give healers more buffing utility like we got with SCH's movement speed ability. Go beyond Shields and Regens, eek out a couple more unique things they can do like maybe Astrologian having a foresight ability that increases party members' evasion. It would give them just a tad more agency in trials and raids, shoring up their role in ways Debuffs can't.

Basically, healers *need* to be acknowledged as a legit DPS role, and also need to be given more of a "condi" utility in the game. They need at minimum DPS mini-games and a little more DPS output, and/or they also need to be given more differentiated identities through enemy debuffs and party buffs. The lack of either is just abysmal design.

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Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse

1) Give healers higher DPS, comparable to tanks. It just isn't fair right now when RDM and SMN can heal and rez and still do comparable DPS to physical DPS. I know the devs don't want to obviate tank roles, but that shouldn't mean totally gimping an entire role to do it. Make healers a tad squishier or give them some movement limitations so that they can't totally replace tanks, but at least let them do damage if that is what they are doing 90 percent of the time.

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They tried this in Shadowbringers. It was not well received.

White Mage reached a point where forcing the PLD to Clemency was a DPS gain over Cure II, which considering how badly that can mess up PLD's rotation says a lot. Regardless, it never made sense for healers to have a higher DPS output when tanks have a rotation to maintain. Dark Knight, for example, has the second highest CPM (Casts Per Minute) in the entire game during the opener. Gunbreaker, I believe, is fourth, but will overtake DRK as the fight progresses. Healers, meanwhile, never come close to this—not even Astro despite its card management. So you're essentially asking jobs who press more buttons and have to be mindful of raid buffs to deal less damage compared to jobs spamming a single button. And the trade-off is movement restrictions.

Neither actually benefit a healer. Most prefer engaging gameplay to raw damage. Not to mention, limiting their movement will frustrate both roles as there may be scenarios where forcing a tank to disengage is better than forcing a healer to move yet tanks disengaging can completely screw up their rotation.

All in all, this just... wouldn't accomplish anything but further reducing the tank role while not actually improving healer gameplay.

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Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse

Fantastic write-up.

I agree that it sucked to be gimped out damage dealers, but that just is the direction FFXIV's gameplay has evolved. The game's preferred method of "challenge" now is more in scripted DDR-style attack avoidance rather than healing. Because that is a much more tangible, intuitive thing players can pick up rather than having to decipher dozens of tooltips. So I think green/blue-DPS is going to stay.

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It is incredibly unfortunate that healers are a healer in name only—and I don’t have an issue with healers dealing damage, or being a “green DPS”. But I want my gameplay to be more engaging than it is—or, rather, is not. I like the idea of juggling healing and damage, and that was why I was drawn to healers back in HW. And, I honestly found Cleric Stance dancing really fun once I got good at it. I still kind of miss it to this day.

Does it feel fantastic when you can get away with healing a difficult or high-end fight with only oGCDs and never touching a GCD spell? Absolutely. But everything I do between prepping for damage (or reacting to it if I’m on a regen healer) is fairly dull. I’m wearing down my X button on my controller playing any of the 4 healers. Give me something more to do than spam Glare/Malefic/Broil/Dosis. I don’t even care if it’s something as simple as a second DoT to manage. I honestly love managing DoTs, and I think they break up the nuke spam monotony. Plus, if the timers are different, then I have to watch them and make sure I keep both up consistently.

Another way would be to move support and mitigation aspects away from DPS and onto healers, with maybe creating an exception for the physical ranged role, since they have traditionally been the support-esque role in this game. I do think that there is an overabundance of AOE mitigation spread out among the roles, but that could just be me. It’s nice to coordinate it and basically invalidate the incoming damage of a mechanic, but that also leads to less need for healing. oGCD or otherwise.

I can adapt to the low healing requirements; I have adapted to how little healing I actually do. I won’t be entirely happy with how little I perform my primary role, but I can enjoy it enough with more rotational engagement on the damage dealing side. I’m not even asking for anything terribly complex on the healers either. I saw someone suggesting something like a 1-2-3 building up to Misery on WHM; AST continuing to keep it’s 1 DoT, 1 nuke, but the cards become a bit more engaging; SCH getting its DoTs back and becoming a DoT healer; and then SGE having…something I can’t really remember right now, but maybe it could have some extra insta-nukes like Phlegma. I liked that idea. It gives each healer some diversity, so they aren’t carbon copies of one another; and that diversity gives players a choice to pick a healer that feels “right” for them. Whether it be a DoT healer, or a 1-2-3 combo healer, or whatever.

I honestly think SE just needs more Devs that they can dedicate to the different roles. Overall I think they do a pretty good job on dps jobs, but tanking and healing needs more attention and I think WoW does them much better.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

It is incredibly unfortunate that healers are a healer in name only—and I don’t have an issue with healers dealing damage, or being a “green DPS”. But I want my gameplay to be more engaging than it is—or, rather, is not. I like the idea of juggling healing and damage, and that was why I was drawn to healers back in HW. And, I honestly found Cleric Stance dancing really fun once I got good at it. I still kind of miss it to this day.

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That's pretty much the entire point of "shield" based healers is the ability to not absolutely need healing for a bit and go into a dps mode.

You used to Adlo > Stoneskin on the pre-pull and swap to cleric stance. Lustrate used to be % of HP based so it ignored the Cleric stance penalty.

That's when the job was well designed. With THOUGHT.

A + B = the ability to easily do C

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Another way would be to move support and mitigation aspects away from DPS and onto healers, with maybe creating an exception for the physical ranged role, since they have traditionally been the support-esque role in this game. I do think that there is an overabundance of AOE mitigation spread out among the roles, but that could just be me. It’s nice to coordinate it and basically invalidate the incoming damage of a mechanic, but that also leads to less need for healing. oGCD or otherwise.

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Yoshi-P said long ago that he wanted Protect to still have a place because it's an iconic ability. If the devs were able to remotely think outside the box the solution is literally right in front of their faces.

Remove all the mitigation from the DPS. They rarely use it ever anyway. Give it to the healers so they can be the support they're supposed to be.

Feint given to healers in the form of Protect. A short CD , short duration physical damage reduction

Addle turns into Shell. A short CD, short duration magic damage reduction.

These are both Role Actions so they are available to each healer. Remove Repose.

There. You have 2 iconic spells added to the game for almost zero thought.

Add it Bravery as a physical damage up buff and Faith as a magic damage up buff and the support role is filled out.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

[...]Another way would be to move support and mitigation aspects away from DPS and onto healers, with maybe creating an exception for the physical ranged role, since they have traditionally been the support-esque role in this game. I do think that there is an overabundance of AOE mitigation spread out among the roles, but that could just be me. It’s nice to coordinate it and basically invalidate the incoming damage of a mechanic, but that also leads to less need for healing. oGCD or otherwise.

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I feel for this, a lot.

A couple months ago when my static were still progging P3S, both SAM and SMN in our group actually said "Well that's up to Reiner to figure out how to mitigate that raidwide..!" just because I fill in the static as the Barrier Healer. They were pleasantly surprised when I mentioned that they literally have Feint and Addle to use which are powerful tools to mitigate and is outside my control. Their initial reaction was not so favorable because apparently they were 'having a hard time' trying to adjust their 'new' button to press in addition to their own rotations. Eventually they get used to it and start proactively using it more in first two floors and in general contents.

Oh boy... I would take that 'burden' off from them and use those mitigative tools myself if I could. But apparently to SE's standard, that's too much to handle + stress for Healers.

/smh

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Originally Posted by Ixon

Sure these cases don't matter for statics and fights you know like the back of your hand, but until they change it, you have to balance for all content and all players.

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Precisely, which is why it's weird that so much of the game's content is tuned to be doable without healers at all. Tanks have enough self-sustain that 1 Tank + 3 DPS parties are viable in dungeons. All-tank 24-mans have been a thing forever. E4S was clearable without healers when it was current. P1S and P2S are clearable without healers. UCoB has been cleared without healers.

And the MSQ is such a huge chunk of the game's content that it's genuinely mind-boggling why healers have only two DPS buttons to use from level 4 to level 90. Back during SB, I leveled SAM as an alt job specifically for the MSQ, because Malefic-spamming my way through SB was putting me to sleep by level 62.

Healers should be necessary and engaged in all content. They shouldn't just be fun only in Savages or Ultimates, or only if you get a party of glue-huffing five-year-olds in DF. 95% of their kit shouldn't be useless in the MSQ, which they'll spend dozens of hours playing through.

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Originally Posted by Ixon

SE didnt create the damage meta though, the players did.

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This is provably false with some simple logic.

Given: A healer GCD can be spent on damage or healing, or doing nothing.
Given: All EX/Savage/Ult bosses have enrage timers, hard-capping the number of possible GCDs.
Given: Increased damage is always useful, because it makes the boss die faster.
Given: Healing is capped by health bars not going past 100%.

Conclusion: GCDs are a scarce resource. DPS is a more efficient use of a GCD than healing. DPS is therefore incentivized over healing by the game design. Rational healers will try to minimize the number of GCDs spent on healing and maximize the number spent on DPS.

This has nothing to do with Gordias, and nothing to do with players "forcing" uber-l337 meta 1% speedrun strats on people. It is simple logic and economics.

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Originally Posted by Ixon

I dont think you should be picking healer to DPS. Yes, the amount of DPSing you do should be fun, but it also should come secondary to the healing responsibilities of the healer role.

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Now do tanks.

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Originally Posted by Ixon

SE didnt create the damage meta though, the players did. If you look back in history, damage has been the name of the game since Gordias, where the DPS check of specifically Faust was so intense that people were having their healers DPS just to help. From then on it was on a path that couldn't change back.

Rumors become stated facts that spread like wildfire. If you were a tank not in STR gear or not tanking in OT stance, you were bad. If you were a healer not DPSing, you were bad. If you GCD'd as a healer, you were bad. These aren't made up, and were real stigmas that took root back in HW. Then there was the fact that SE did NOT want to enforce healer DPS, as they knew it was a point of contention till they accepted the communities desire to be green DPS in ShB. Though in order to try to appease both the people who wanted to DPS and those that didnt as a healer, they made the DPS simple and approachable so there wasnt a main deterrent from their main job of being a healer.

Y'all can keep playing the victim card and shake in your boots at Big Bad Yoshi no wanting fun, but where healers are now is a by product of a thought process that started in HW and one that the dev team is still trying to get right. Yes, we all feel sorry for every person who chooses a healer and I commend then every instance cause it must be rough.

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Here is the healer debate summed up in one neat little post:

Healers: Healing isn't engaging for midcore to veteran healers.

Why?

Healers: We have nothing to do.

Well, you have something to do if the party is bad.

Healers: What about when the party is good?

Well you have a good healing tool kit.

Healers: That we barely use because the fights are undertuned in healing requirements. Can we get more healing?

That would make it too hard for newer healers.

Healers: Even in Extremes and Savage?

"Go do Ultimate." (which I will point out here we keep getting told to go do harder content when harder content STILL DOESN'T PUSH US)

Healers: Can we have more to do in our down time when we aren't healing (buff/debuff/more damage buttons)?

Meaningful buffs/debuffs would require an overhaul of how the game works, or there are too many buttons you have already, or if you wanted to do damage go play a dps (take your pick I've heard all three).

Healers: But other healers in other games have decent downtime activities (or more healing requirements so downtime and healing uptime are better balanced).

Go play that game then.


Did I miss anything else?

We've done this song and dance over and over and over. I personally have only done this for what? Maybe 2 years+? Others have been doing it for longer. This "victim card" you proclaim is offensive when we have valid complaints.

Edit: And I'd like to add it isn't JUST the devs telling us this either. The player base does as well. Some, who don't seem to understand: what we mean, how the game is actually played, how midcore to veteran to top tier healers play, and seem to think we're whining just to whine.

We want more out of our job like DRKs do, like SMNs do, like MCH do, and like MNK did last expansion. But because we're healers we aren't allowed to get it and get to run through the same arguments over and over. Give us something to heal then! ...Oh WAIT. (see the above)

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Which, it’s my understanding that healers still contributed to damage in ARR, so its not like healer DPS is some kind of new phenomenon that came to be in HW; and, before, healers just stood around waiting for damage.

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There was always that argment even back in the day in Binding Coil. However you had the excuses of the clunkiness of cleric stance and accuracy being the main obstacles back then for healers not wanting to dps.

Indeed it was actually in 2.3 when healers started to do damage when Second Coil Savage came out. The issues with hose fights were that the bosses had more hp and did more damage. In order to survive tyhe damage since even being in bis gear couldn't help with that, was they crafted accessories and melded full right side vit on all of them. SInce this was a loss of damage they had to look for other sources of damage to meet the enrage timers. You can see quite a few of the second coil savage videos where schs were doing a decent of dps at the time.

Then Final Coil came out and you had three groups that cleared the Monday before reset when it was beaten in 1 week. I even remember Yoshi-P saying that he was livid that Phoenix was cleared on that Friday when it first came out. Saying they underestimated the strength of crafted gear and that there was a growing voice of people wanting harder raids. Of course, this lead to the disaster that was Gordias and how if I recall, he said the test team couldn't even beat A3S and A4S normally before it was released.

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Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse

1) Give healers higher DPS, comparable to tanks. It just isn't fair right now when RDM and SMN can heal and rez and still do comparable DPS to physical DPS. I know the devs don't want to obviate tank roles, but that shouldn't mean totally gimping an entire role to do it. Make healers a tad squishier or give them some movement limitations so that they can't totally replace tanks, but at least let them do damage if that is what they are doing 90 percent of the time.

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I disagree with 1. Healers should not be a DPS role they should be a support role. They should be there to heal and buff the party. If you feel like playing a dps with light heals and rez then go play one of those casters.

I think healer design first needs to be tweeked to be less homogenized. I think tanks need to be address as the mitigation and self healing is out of control. A tank can mitigate damage every 24 seconds, when you used to need an actual cool down rotation for an entire fight let alone a trait that just reduces the damage they take by 20%. And finally the content itself needs to be designed with more thought. The raids are so bad anymore its basically a long dance of mechanics with a dps check attached. There is very little thought that needs to go into clearing savage any more other than pick a spot in the circle or pick group 1 or 2 for stacks.

I also think all of the dps aoe defensive cds should be removed. A self heal or a self defensive cd is fine.

I highly doubt these things will happen with the direction the game has been going and with the way a good portion of the community feels about the game being to difficult already.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

I think tanks need to be address as the mitigation and self healing is out of control. A tank can mitigate damage every 24 seconds, when you used to need an actual cool down rotation for an entire fight let alone a trait that just reduces the damage they take by 20%.

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Except that mitigation is actually taken into account by the fight design and planning your cooldowns over the fight is still a thing. Take the end of Act 1 in P4S for example, Near/Farsight and Demigod Double are not survivable with just 1 cooldown in minimum ilvl gear.

I got flattened by Demigod with just Nebula up (and both tanks stacking) and that was at ~ilvl 593.

They also happen less than 25 seconds apart from each other so you can't just Rampart + HoC the Near/Farsight and then Nebula + HoC the Demigod because HoC comes up around the time that the damage snapshots. (technically you can use HoC on both but the timing is tight)
Now I could invuln the Demigod but that leaves me without an invuln for Heartstake in Act 3, the arguably more annoying buster, and it will happen again during Finale anyway.


Is it difficult? No, but it still requires you to properly plan your mitigation for the fight, especially when you want to mitigate more than just busters as a tank.

Regardless of "Healer gets dps options" or "buff/debuff" the devs need to change something. And while they at it please implement a proper tutorial. Thanks.
By the way, if you saying "healer should heal" this would change the fights (meaning:ALL BATTLE CONTENT) in its core - you know that ? I am all in but are you people, that ask this, really up for this change ?

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Originally Posted by Banriikku

Regardless of "Healer gets dps options" or "buff/debuff" the devs need to change something. And while they at it please implement a proper tutorial. Thanks.
By the way, if you saying "healer should heal" this would change the fights (meaning:ALL BATTLE CONTENT) in its core - you know that ? I am all in but are you people, that ask this, really up for this change ?

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We healers know the answer to that.

I don't think non-healers do.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

I disagree with 1. Healers should not be a DPS role they should be a support role. They should be there to heal and buff the party. If you feel like playing a dps with light heals and rez then go play one of those casters.

I think healer design first needs to be tweeked to be less homogenized. I think tanks need to be address as the mitigation and self healing is out of control. A tank can mitigate damage every 24 seconds, when you used to need an actual cool down rotation for an entire fight let alone a trait that just reduces the damage they take by 20%. And finally the content itself needs to be designed with more thought. The raids are so bad anymore its basically a long dance of mechanics with a dps check attached. There is very little thought that needs to go into clearing savage any more other than pick a spot in the circle or pick group 1 or 2 for stacks.

I also think all of the dps aoe defensive cds should be removed. A self heal or a self defensive cd is fine.

I highly doubt these things will happen with the direction the game has been going and with the way a good portion of the community feels about the game being to difficult already.

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And I disagree with you. as a healer I'm not there to patch every little boo-boo and keep everyone healed to full all of the time. That may well apply to other games, however in this game, I'm here to support heal where needed which is a very different thing, apply buffs in those healing jobs that can,, AND DPS.

Stop throwing in that tired "if you want to be a DPS , play one", at this point it's akin to becoming an insult. No one has advocated for that.

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And I disagree with you. as a healer I'm not there to patch every little boo-boo and keep everyone healed to full all of the time. That may well apply to other games, however in this game, I'm here to support heal where needed which is a very different thing, apply buffs in those healing jobs that can,, AND DPS.

Stop throwing in that tired "if you want to be a DPS , play one", at this point it's akin to becoming an insult. No one has advocated for that.

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Agreed on this point and with Kasumi. FFXIV, by design, is DPS-oriented. With every expansion it moves more and more toward "action RPG" because that is what is more intuitive for new players to pick up easily than managing a lot of esoteric abilities. And all of the content has been designed around that since, what, Stormblood?

The green DPS is not going away. Anyone advocating for "healers should heal" (those arguing solely on this fundamental principle, not in combination with other changes/fixes to the role) should just play another game. FFXIV is too far gone.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

I disagree with 1. Healers should not be a DPS role they should be a support role.

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Dps is support. It's always useful. Your primary responsibility is to heal, but if your group isn't dying, you're supporting them by adding additional damage.

It's also funny how you contradict yourself. You say that tanks need looking at because their mitigation is out of control. By your logic however, tanks should only have mitigation and self heal, because they're there to tank and take hits and if you want to deal damage go play melee.

You also complain changes won't happen because the community feels the game is too difficult, but at the same time you want to rip utility from dps and make them more braindead and turn healers into curebots.

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Originally Posted by Banriikku

Regardless of "Healer gets dps options" or "buff/debuff" the devs need to change something. And while they at it please implement a proper tutorial. Thanks.
By the way, if you saying "healer should heal" this would change the fights (meaning:ALL BATTLE CONTENT) in its core - you know that ? I am all in but are you people, that ask this, really up for this change ?

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It would remove the ability of healers to do the MSQ.

You can't heal mobs to death.

The solution is simple. Everyone gets one button. Dps get a dps button titled DPS, it does damage to everything. Tanks get a tank button titled tank, it just taunts over and over and over there's no damage only taunt. Healers get a heal button titled heal, it just does an aoe heal. There, now everyone sucks and we have true equality.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

The solution is simple. Everyone gets one button. Dps get a dps button titled DPS, it does damage to everything. Tanks get a tank button titled tank, it just taunts over and over and over there's no damage only taunt. Healers get a heal button titled heal, it just does an aoe heal. There, now everyone sucks and we have true equality.

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dont spoil their 7.0 job action trailer so soon in the expansion XD

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

The solution is simple. Everyone gets one button. Dps get a dps button titled DPS, it does damage to everything. Tanks get a tank button titled tank, it just taunts over and over and over there's no damage only taunt. Healers get a heal button titled heal, it just does an aoe heal. There, now everyone sucks and we have true equality.

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dont spoil their 7.0 job action trailer so soon in the expansion XD

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Both of you made me laugh a lot harder than I would have liked to reading this, thanks!

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

And if you were to compare it to Umbral Ice. Well, BLM barely stays in that phase for more than 2-3 GCDs.

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Umbral ice is too good at MP regeneration (which makes sense for a DPS). My idea is to make umbral heal take longer and astral damage be shorter.

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Healers contribute far too much damage nowadays for this to be acceptable.

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That is the case today. With a major change like this, the balance would of course have to be adjusted.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

To run the UI/AF metaphor, unless you're essentially using a single skill as a toggle for any and all healing spells into new damage ones (a major, but not undeserved, investment in increased kit size), a "BLM approach" can only make half or more of one's kit unusable at any given moment --in effect just greatly reducing freedom and perceived responsiveness-- just as Cleric Stance did before.

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I think the difference with cleric stance is that it's a stance that has to be manually toggled. People have trouble with tank stance as it is. The BLM approach is more direct because it's resource-based. You cannot stay in DPS forever due to MP costs and healing becomes your default rotation.

After that, it's a matter of being a good player to actually put up DPS as a healer. Other than that, if the content does not have enrage mechanic, then at least the healers would be healing unless they're just literally AFK (without exaggerating the situation).

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

This is poor design because overhealing is a waste of your GCD. You are healing nothing.

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Does it matter if you're healing nothing if casting that spell still gives you resource (MP) to use for attack?

Alternatively, add a bonus to overhealing, so if you overheal, you'll get some bonus to damage the next time you deal damage, but with some limitation and caps so people don't just overheal infinitely to only cast one DPS spell near the end.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

There is no "playing a job differently" in XIV, jobs are designed linearly.

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The point is, it has nothing to do with my proposal. That is a player issue.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

That's a terrible idea. Not only does this punish healers who aren't as good, it makes solo instances on healer immensely difficult - and at the same time, makes them take forever to defeat the enemies because of how weak your actual healing is + how expensive your offensive spells are.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Does it matter if you're healing nothing if casting that spell still gives you resource (MP) to use for attack?

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Yes, it does. Because HP cannot be healed beyond 100%, so there is waste in any healing you throw out that goes beyond that. This is wasting a GCD on a pointless heal, and you are trying to justify this by arbitrarily attaching mana regeneration to this overheal/“healing stance”. As I said in my previous response to you, your entire system is a non-functional “healing for the sake of healing” system that will not work with the encounter design of this game. Not to mention, it is a very gatekeeping system that I can guarantee healer mains would not like or appreciate. I know I don’t want to be arbitrarily gatekeeped from dealing damage because you want to force meaningless healing on the healers. Versus actually giving us meaningful gameplay.

A heal that heals nothing means nothing. It is a waste of a GCD, and a wasteful contribution to a party. I prefer to actively contribute. Not burden. And I think a lot of the healer mains posting in this thread feel much the same. Healers don’t want to waste GCDs. They would rather contribute meaningfully to a party, and healing nothing is not a meaningful contribution.

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Alternatively, add a bonus to overhealing, so if you overheal, you'll get some bonus to damage the next time you deal damage, but with some limitation and caps so people don't just overheal infinitely to only cast one DPS spell near the end.

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Unless this damage increase is enough to make up for each pointless GCD you have to waste on overheal, it would still be a net loss.

Why do you think current Afflatus Misery is a damage loss? Because the GCDs spent on Solace or Rapture to build up to it do not offset the three Glare IIIs that you have to lose in order to get your blood lily—unless you are building up to Misery during downtime and not losing out on Glare III casts at all. This same thing applies to SGE’s Toxikon: because it is the same potency as Dosis III, it is a better use of your GCD to just cast Dosis III and heal with an oGCD Addersgall stack versus casting E. Diagnosis to absorb damage and farm Toxikon stacks. The only time you farm for them is during downtime.

You would need to multiply the base potency by the number of forced healing GCDs in order to make this a gain.



You said that you were a non-healer, and no offense, but it shows.

I have only recently begun to try out healing (my main is BLM). I really love it but I have to admit that I am not very good at it (will keep trying to get better though). It requires a focus of attention that is above and beyond what is required for a DPS. I was curious when I first encountered this thread, about why healers would want their jobs to be even more complex. I have begun to realize though, that very good healers might find certain activities a lot more trivial than I do. I am not quite sure what could be done to alleviate this, for lack of a better word, boredom, but I suspect that you, my seniors here in this thread, have likely put a great deal of thought into this issue. This is why I will continue to keep reading this thread to learn more about this. Thank you all for this thought provoking discussion.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Unless this damage increase is enough to make up for each pointless GCD you have to waste on overheal

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Sure, why not? I think you're putting too much emphasis on per GCD damage rather than overall damage per time.

Alternatively, we can let healers give damage buffs to the party from their healing rotation via combos and such. There are ways to help with party damage than direct per GCD attack.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Sure, why not? I think you're putting too much emphasis on per GCD damage rather than overall damage per time.

Alternatively, we can let healers give damage buffs to the party from their healing rotation via combos and such. There are ways to help with party damage than direct per GCD attack.

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Your overall damage over time is going to decrease the more GCDs you spend on non-contributing casts, like pointless heals. Damage is the metric that matters the most in this game—by the developer’s own design, since they have removed every other interesting aspect of combat, and seriously reduced the impact of others (like healing—the amount healers have to heal has steadily decreased throughout the expansions). Since damage is the most important metric, it makes sense that it gets the most focus.

As for the importance of your GCD, I will direct you to the concept of ABC: Always Be Casting. Your GCD matters. What you use that GCD on matters even more. A damage GCD is far more important than a healing GCD that results in a significant or complete overheal because the damage GCD contributes to damage. Overhealing contributes nothing. A GCD used on healing that is not needed is pointless, and will not contribute anything to your team.


As for your second point:

Why would the developers ever implement damage buffs proc’d by healing rotations? What is the point in that when every other damage button is an oGCD weave (with the sole exception of Technical Finish)? It would be far simpler—and it would fall in line with content and job designs—to give healers buffs like Bravery that are oGCD and can be weaved between GCDs. Instead of locking them into a pointless healing rotation that will likely result in no meaningful healing when the buff is actually needed. Buffs are not deployed willy-nilly—they are on a relatively strict timer. If your buff alignment falls on the 2-minute mark, and there’s no outgoing damage during that 2-minute mark, well you’re contributing pointless healing to get a buff out when it would be far more meaningful to weave in an oGCD buff and continue to cast damaging spells.


You seem to be highly fixated on creating a system for healers in this game that not only goes against the content design, but that also implements healing purely for the sake of making healers heal. Even if it’s straight overheal and not at all meaningful or contributing to the party. I think you need to educate yourself more on encounter design in this game; and how healers actually function before making anymore suggestions.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Sure, why not? I think you're putting too much emphasis on per GCD damage rather than overall damage per time.

Alternatively, we can let healers give damage buffs to the party from their healing rotation via combos and such. There are ways to help with party damage than direct per GCD attack.

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You want to push healing for the sake of healing at all costs.
For what?
So healers actually heal and feel like healers? They won't. It's like dpsing an enemy that is invuln, has a crazy damage reduction or can't drop below 1% - people either randomly press buttons out of sheer boredom and fool around with "lookie lookie I'm a dagger mage NIN hehe" or they build up resources if their class has them or they just stand around doing nothing because they know perfectly well that it doesn't matter what they do.

Your "BLM approach" for healers would be the same as targetable but invuln target for dps.
Making your actions feel impactful matters a great deal. If it didn't you could just tell every single class of every role to press buttons that won't do anything for 10min but charge up a mega nuke that goes after that. I can guarantee you that they won't like it.
And overhealing for the sole purpose of regenerating MP so you can even dps is just as bad, you're forcing people to spend an extended period of time doing somethung useless that isn't contributing at all just so they can do something actually useful for a few GCDs.
The BLM approach works on BLM because UI/ AF are completely different from the healing/ dps phases you suggest.
UI is where the true optimization takes place, it's not a necessary evil of doing nothing useful for 2-3 GCDs. You have the options to and try to make UI itself as impactful as possible while charging up a strong AF phase. UI is not "do useless stuff for big booms afterwards", let alone "do useless stuff that feels bad and doesn't contribute so you are even allowed to contribute for a few GCDs afterwards". UI is not a fixed rotation, you have several options for it and it's perhaps the biggest factor in the BLM's relatively high skill ceiling.

You're desperately trying to make healers use healing buttons even if they wouldn't contribute anything meaningful.
And no, tacking on a "but it regs MP for deeps!" mechanic is not meaningful.
There is a reason why any WHM worth their salt hated blowing a useless Lily for weaving/ movement or many ASTs hating Astrodyne being just a tacked-on, poorly designed last minute justification for seals to keep existing.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

The solution is simple. Everyone gets one button. Dps get a dps button titled DPS, it does damage to everything. Tanks get a tank button titled tank, it just taunts over and over and over there's no damage only taunt. Healers get a heal button titled heal, it just does an aoe heal. There, now everyone sucks and we have true equality.

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I know this is satirical, but given how they've treated this role for 6+ years I feel like they might actually do this at some point lol. Don't give them ideas!! ;_;

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Originally Posted by Eraden

I have only recently begun to try out healing (my main is BLM). I really love it but I have to admit that I am not very good at it (will keep trying to get better though). It requires a focus of attention that is above and beyond what is required for a DPS. I was curious when I first encountered this thread, about why healers would want their jobs to be even more complex. I have begun to realize though, that very good healers might find certain activities a lot more trivial than I do. I am not quite sure what could be done to alleviate this, for lack of a better word, boredom, but I suspect that you, my seniors here in this thread, have likely put a great deal of thought into this issue. This is why I will continue to keep reading this thread to learn more about this. Thank you all for this thought provoking discussion.

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It is a bittersweet journey indeed. Perhaps if you're interested you can give the Healer section of the forum some reading. It's flavorful.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Does it matter if you're healing nothing if casting that spell still gives you resource (MP) to use for attack?

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What do you do when the 2nd boss of Void Ark is charging their ultimate attack (the one where you have to hide behind Irminsul) and they just straight up nullifies your attack? You can't attack Irminsul either, 'cause they're also invincible while charging said attack. Not even attacking the invincible Irminsul will count toward resource building (i.e. RDM's Black/White Mana).

Yeah. Nothing. That's how futile it feels. That's how useless it is---the overhealing. So yes, it matters.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

It would remove the ability of healers to do the MSQ.

You can't heal mobs to death.

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They can simply give offensive tools to healers in the form of Duty Action during solo duties, or they can make unique solo contents for healers to simply heal, like the ones in healer job quests.

Role Playing buff also completely changes our whole toolkit. They can do something like that to give us offensive options during solo duties.

One MMO I used to play have zero offensive options for healers, instead healers are given a toggle ability that completely remove the entire healing kit in exchange of some offensive spells. This toggle ability cannot be used during combat.

There are definitely ways for healers to progress MSQ without offensive tools in their healing kit.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

They can simply give offensive tools to healers in the form of Duty Action during solo duties, or they can make unique solo contents for healers to simply heal, like the ones in healer job quests.

Role Playing buff also completely changes our whole toolkit. They can do something like that to give us offensive options during solo duties.

One MMO I used to play have zero offensive options for healers, instead healers are given a toggle ability that completely remove the entire healing kit in exchange of some offensive spells. This toggle ability cannot be used during combat.

There are definitely ways for healers to progress MSQ without offensive tools in their healing kit.

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I thought healers couldn’t possibly get any worse. But after reading this, I was clearly wrong.

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Originally Posted by linayar

The point is, it has nothing to do with my proposal. That is a player issue.

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Not when the designer designs it with so little forethought.
In a game where damage is the most important thing, making a system where a fourth of the party has to stop DPSing just to overheal to get MP is just nonsensical.
What do you have against healer DPS? You even try to do a roundabout way of getting rid of it when you suggested they give the party a damage buff, when they could just spend that time doing damage.

(I'm also curious as to why you switch characters, seeing as your last character had way more jobs leveled, including healers.)

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They can simply give offensive tools to healers in the form of Duty Action during solo duties, or they can make unique solo contents for healers to simply heal, like the ones in healer job quests.

Role Playing buff also completely changes our whole toolkit. They can do something like that to give us offensive options during solo duties.

One MMO I used to play have zero offensive options for healers, instead healers are given a toggle ability that completely remove the entire healing kit in exchange of some offensive spells. This toggle ability cannot be used during combat.

There are definitely ways for healers to progress MSQ without offensive tools in their healing kit.

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And what did that game do for healers when they had downtime but where stuck with their healing kit?
Was the encounter design in that game more scripted like XIV's or was it just random damage bursts?

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This is honestly the first step of becoming a better healer.

Learning that the only HP that ultimately matters is the last one. If people aren't dying you are doing your job correctly.

The problem that they put themselves in is that the fight it either too easy or too hard for the playerbase to tackle, they did not make a middle ground.
Dungeons do not have that sense of challenge and many mechanics even in 90 content can just be ignored (Looking at Hermes popping True Bravery and Tank or RDPS don't give a shit in stopping it), they need to add compulsive mechanics again so that people need to pay attention to, otherwise they wipe.

Telling people that if they want a challenge should just go do Ultimates is a real shit solution, especially since they catered to the players in not playing their best and making things so easy that they just groomed the playerbase to be content with the current difficulty. Ultimates don't even help because Healers end up just spamming their one button and pop a dot now and then anyway, they need to make more interactive mechanics and less of a DPS race in a "Who hits harder wins" scenario.

Not to mention the content drought that they bring out is becoming less and less every expansion.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

non-contributing casts

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ABC: Always Be Casting. Your GCD matters.

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It's not pointless because it replenishes MP which gets you back to doing damage. So you are always casting with a purpose.

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What is the point in that when every other damage button is an oGCD weave (with the sole exception of Technical Finish)

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So there is an exception and there can be more such cases.

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I think you need to educate yourself more on encounter design in this game; and how healers actually function before making anymore suggestions.

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Encounter design can change moving forward, though I'm still not clear how my idea wouldn't work with the current design, and the point is to change how healers functions.

Then again, I'm fine with how healers work now. My idea is simply based on the complaints I see from the players as well as what the devs have said they have in mind for the role.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

It's like dpsing an enemy that is invuln, has a crazy damage reduction or can't drop below 1% - people either randomly press buttons out of sheer boredom and fool around with "lookie lookie I'm a dagger mage NIN hehe" or they build up resources if their class has them or they just stand around doing nothing because they know perfectly well that it doesn't matter what they do.

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The part in bold is exactly the point.

As a DPS main who dabbled in tanking, if doing my rotation is still doing something, I would still do it even if the boss is invuln, and building up resources is one such reasons.

Once you build up resources, there's no reason to keep healing, and the job design can adjust the time spend in each phase.

The point is not to heal no matter what, but to have a rotation for healer, and I'm pretty sure the devs don't want that rotation be solely on DPS, so the BLM approach is one way to incorporate healing into the rotation by having a flow between damage and healing/support.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

What do you do when the 2nd boss of Void Ark is charging their ultimate attack (the one where you have to hide behind Irminsul) and they just straight up nullifies your attack? You can't attack Irminsul either, 'cause they're also invincible while charging said attack. Not even attacking the invincible Irminsul will count toward resource building (i.e. RDM's Black/White Mana).

Yeah. Nothing. That's how futile it feels. That's how useless it is---the overhealing. So yes, it matters.

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Even if you can't build RDM resource in that situation, I don't see why you won't be able to build resource casting healing spells on your party members or even yourself. So I don't think the situation is comparable.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Not when the designer designs it with so little forethought.

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Well, that's a bigger issue than my humble proposal can account for. Obviously that should be taken care of adequately in the background, though I don't see there needing too many changes. Some specifics would be helpful.

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(I'm also curious as to why you switch characters, seeing as your last character had way more jobs leveled, including healers.)

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New main (ugh, don't remind me I have some catching up to redo before 6.1.)

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Originally Posted by linayar

As a DPS main who dabbled in tanking, if doing my rotation is still doing something, I would still do it even if the boss is invuln, and building up resources is one such reasons.

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How often does a boss go invuln?

To make a healer comparison, let's imagine bosses went invuln for 70-90% of most fights and therefore have tiny dps checks. While immune, the only button dps have is "Punch" which ignores invuln. Dps don't like that and ask for bosses to be vulnerable more often in encounters, so they can play their role more. The devs say "no, that would be too stressful for new dps". It would suck. That's what we go through.

Your solution would be that "Punch" costs lots of energy and you build energy by whacking away at the immune boss doing 0 damage. Doesn't sound fun. "But it's building a resource!"

It's such roundabout nonsense making convoluted compromises when we just want to get to play our role more. More damage to heal. Interesting buttons to press when we don't need to heal. It's so simple and frustrating that we can't have it.

I make it simple:
Healing more than necessary is pointless because the healing in FF14 is binary. DPS is the player behavior which is rewarded.
This means longer fights more mechanics or even enrage. Binary healing means you will get the same result on two people healing completly diffrent. One is healing non-stop (we assume for this example infinite mana and all targets are in range and no movement necessary) and one is healing 1 Hp above the incoming damage both have the same results. No diffrence. As a conclusion "healers should heal" will result in the removal of the need of any skill or more precise the removal of the "skill ceiling" and will result in 1 Button gameplay with the current encounter design but instead 1 button dps it will 1 button heal. Furthermore it will result in making the healers inferior to all other jobs and a player seeking success will avoid these jobs if possible. The only way to change this and dont "break" the healer job is to change the encounter desgin in its core. More healing mechanics that need solving but this will result in increasing the "skill ceiling" beyond all other jobs.

So what you are asking for is
1. Healers should heal but the encounters stay as they are = healers are inferior and you should not play it and if you play it - "no fun" for you
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2. Healerchange+core change = Encounter will get way more difficult, particularly in the beginning when the changes are new and healing will be way more difficult

Please for the love of Zenos juicy backside - educate yourself on encounter and the class before you are making assumptions because what i read here is based on "i think it works like this" or "in my opinion it should work like this" and not what we actually have.