About damage essences in Delubrum/Dalriada

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Nah, you could definitely contribute more by bringing better essences and lost actions, so why don't you? Other people put in the effort to bring as much as they possibly could, so what's your excuse?

I don't care about my contributions enough to farm, and I also don't expect anyone else to farm either. I'm just saying farming is less efficient because I'll benefit from collective gains even if I don't use an essence, which is true.

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You'll benefit from others hard work, you mean. Anyways, you're a leech, just admit you don't care about leeching and moveth oneth. And you're right, in that you could definitely contribute more by bringing in better essences, but what you're arguing is the same as going into a Savage fight with no food or potions (They're consumables! You can go without anyways, the game doesn't tell you NOT to~! You'll benefit off of the work of others anywayyyys!) Versus someone going into the fight with food and potions that, while it might not be the best, is definitely better than going in without - and shows that they value the time of themselves and others. Which isn't leeching.

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Originally Posted by Fland

No it's not true. People already gave examples how farming can be more efficient but you just ignore them.

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What examples? I've seen some people say combining certain essences and lost actions can be even more of a boost, but I haven't seen any Math indicating it's more efficient to farm all of that stuff. How much time does 1 person using these actually save? How long does it take to farm all of the different components? Provide some approximate figures.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

You'll benefit from others hard work, you mean. Anyways, you're a leech, just admit you don't care about leeching and moveth oneth. And you're right, in that you could definitely contribute more by bringing in better essences, but what you're arguing is the same as going into a Savage fight with no food or potions (They're consumables! You can go without anyways, the game doesn't tell you NOT to~! You'll benefit off of the work of others anywayyyys!) Versus someone going into the fight with food and potions that, while it might not be the best, is definitely better than going in without - and shows that they value the time of themselves and others. Which isn't leeching.

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You're just creating your own arbitrary line specifically so you can call me a leech. I get it, my position upsets you so you're just flailing and becoming irrational. People who don't like what I'm saying throwing little tantrums has basically been the tone of this entire thread.

It is kind of funny that by your own definition of a leech you technically are one, though. You're benefitting from the extra efforts of people who worked harder than you. How do you live with yourself? ;)

"im not a leech! im not a leech!!", he continues to insist as he slowly shrinks and transforms into a corn cob

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

"im not a leech! im not a leech!!", he continues to insist as he slowly shrinks and transforms into a corn cob

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I do like how you all obediently pop essences to benefit me in DR without me even asking. You're all such sweet, servile little lambs. ;)

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

What examples? I've seen some people say combining certain essences and lost actions can be even more of a boost, but I haven't seen any Math indicating it's more efficient to farm all of that stuff. How much time does 1 person using these actually save? How long does it take to farm all of the different components? Provide some approximate figures.

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You using Elder will give you 50% damage increase, saving 1 minute from the run. Then you use Cure IV which will give AOE bravery to you and your party member. With bravery, everyone in your party including yourself save 12 seconds each from the run for a combined total of 96 seconds. With the initial 1 minute from the essence itself, you have saved a total of 2 minutes and 36 seconds from the run by yourself.
Farming cluster for 10 minutes for example can give you 10-20, so each fragment worth farming for around 30 seconds to one minute. Cure IV fragment can be obtained by killing level 1 bird which just take several seconds to kill.
See now? Elder + Cure IV is worth a minute of farm while saving you 2 minutes 36 seconds just by your contribution. Additionally, this is assuming using one fragment of Cure IV each run, but the reality is you can use Cure IV from one fragment for several DR runs.

This is just one example, there are others like Rend Armor which benefit the entire 24 people, or Seraph Strike which is persistent skill that you can use for the entirety of a relic run, saving even more time significantly all from one fragment worth 30 seconds to 1 minute of farm.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

"im not a leech! im not a leech!!", he continues to insist as he slowly shrinks and transforms into a corn cob

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PFFT! I'm 100% sure the mans knows he's leeching and just doesn't want to own up to it. Which sucks, I feel like I'd respect the guy more if he did. Like, that's pretty much been my one thing - own up to you and your actions!

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

What examples? I've seen some people say combining certain essences and lost actions can be even more of a boost,

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Some food for thought, Aetherweave give an 80% damage buff to healer. Weakness is a 25% dmg down, and brink of death is 50% down. So ... if you have no essence and even assume you have zero death, you still gonna do less than someone who tank the floor enough to have permanent weakness in the entire run.

Aetherweave come from fragment of skill which is going for (hold your breath!!) a whooping ... (HOLD YOUR BREATH) ... NINE .... hundred gil on my server. And why is it so cheap? Take a guess of how easy it is to farm them.

Oh, and throw Seraph strike in as a bonus. You only need one ever in your life because it has INFINITE use. So, by barely spending next zero effort, you can already be twice the player a leech will be. Leave the thrice and quadruple to tried hard like us, but it's not hard to be a bit more useful.

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but I haven't seen any Math indicating it's more efficient to farm all of that stuff.

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How about zero? I don't even know why peopel keep saying they need to farm for this and that tbh. Cluster I can understand if people want mount or haircut but ...frag? Nah. I have never farm for cluster, fragment. Up until last week I only run Dal/Cas once a week for the daily, maybe twice at maximum. And I'm basically swimming up to my eyeball in essence here. I just check and I have like 15 Aetherweave, 20 Martilist, 7 prophane, 11 watchers among gazillion other essences.

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Originally Posted by Fland

You using Elder will give you 50% damage increase, saving 1 minute from the run. Then you use Cure IV which will give AOE bravery to you and your party member. With bravery, everyone in your party including yourself save 12 seconds each from the run for a combined total of 96 seconds. With the initial 1 minute from the essence itself, you have saved a total of 2 minutes and 36 seconds from the run by yourself.
Farming cluster for 10 minutes for example can give you 10-20, so each fragment worth farming for around 30 seconds to one minute. Cure IV fragment can be obtained by killing level 1 bird which just take several seconds to kill.
See now? Elder + Cure IV is worth a minute of farm while saving you 2 minutes 36 seconds just by your contribution. Additionally, this is assuming using one fragment of Cure IV each run, but the reality is you can use Cure IV from one fragment for several DR runs.

This is just one example, there are others like Rend Armor which benefit the entire 24 people, or Seraph Strike which is persistent skill that you can use for the entirety of a relic run, all from one fragment worth 30 seconds to 1 minute of farm.

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I'm guessing these are essences from the second half of Bozja. People at the DR phase of their relic likely aren't there yet, aren't appropriate level and won't have access to this. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

PFFT! I'm 100% sure the mans knows he's leeching and just doesn't want to own up to it. Which sucks, I feel like I'd respect the guy more if he did. Like, that's pretty much been my one thing - own up to you and your actions!

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Yeah...I don't even care enough that the guy's not using essences and stuff. I think he should, but I'm not going to get up in arms over it either. The same could be said for any random person I'd encounter running DR. But regardless, that's not the point of this for me. If he would have said "I don't feel like farming because I don't like it" and nothing more, that would have more straight forward than arguing in circles trying to justify something with fake math and poor logic. I still wouldn't have agreed with his stance, but I'd have respected it a little more since it'd be an honest one. Just be real with us, Goji, and this can finally come to an end.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

By that logic you're leeching off of everyone who shows up with better essence/lost action setups than you have. Everyone who isn't in the number 1 DPS spot is a leech.

Leeching isn't simply benefitting from someone who's generating more output than you are. Leeching is expecting everyone to generate more output than you so you can benefit, and I don't expect that from anyone.

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Ah, I see you have another misconception about what is leeching. It's not simply the output my dude.

I have seen new players in the 10ish who are new to the run. They die a lot, but I don't mind them, everyone was a scrub once. Mad respect when I see even those players still come in with an essence. Like I said above, even if they die a lot, they probably gonna do more than people like you anyway. But lvl25 with no essence, yes, they are leech, because they had made a conscious choice to leeching off others. Again it's a mentality thing. I admit having a hard time gauging your true thought tbh, on one hand you're pimping yourself up as a shameless leech and even say it with pride as if you're so smart. Yet, despite keeping saying you don't care, you seem to be trying pretty damn hard (harder than getting fragment at least) to defend yourself when people calling you a leech ... so maybe that label actually bother you more than you actually care to admit? Man up man, lieing to other is one thing, but lieing to yourself is just ... sad.

As I said in an earlier post, players like me who always come prepared (while literally spending zero effort to be prepared) are able to capitalize when we get a good group (stuffs like Rend/Dervis is basically steroid in a high performance group) or at least mitigation the effect of a bad group. Players with mentality like you will turn good group into missed opportunity, and make bad groups even worse. All the justification you have been given in your defense is pretty much the same as the poor who scraping bottom for little breadgrump while telling themselves they're getting a good bargain while remaining oblivious to all the better thing just fly right over their head.