Is anyone annoyed by the HUGE number of people using bots on this game?

I'm tired of the LalaRMT. They're everywhere, Camp Horizon, Camp Skull Valley, and more. They just sit in one spot for hours so one person can get the party buff.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

would be kinda like getting arrested for wreckless driving while sitting on your living room couch and the police using the excuse "well you were not speeding, driving drunk, or even in your car, be we are going to arrest you anyways"

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And if me getting arrested for DUI while sitting on my couch got rid of all the drunk driving in my state I would gladly be the collateral damage

i think i hate the bots less then SE way of fighting them/not fighting them. Instead of activly fighting them (they are very obvious) they create one barrier after the other affecting mainly the few remaining players.
And they still hold on to their strategy even though its more then obvious that it failed so hard that its not even funny anymore. They game (if it will ever recover) will have a huge bot/rmt problem. But perhaps well get more restrictions then, perhaps "logging on for 1hr/day only" lol that would be a very SE way of implementing that anti rmt feature...

Yes, I hate bots and I hate the leve exploits. The exploits have ruined the game more then the bots have.

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Originally Posted by Mack

Yea play for more than a week and the puzzle pieces will start slotting themselves in for you. You want proof? why the heck would the OP be lying exactly? think for a second what could he possibly benefit from a lie like this?

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an rmt in this game would focus on materials and not on gear, theres not much gear available and materials and crystals sell very good. Stupid idea to think they would bother with gear mainly... they control a lot of the crystal market already i bet and a lot of the material section. The additional "mass-lalafell" money increases the money every day as well.

Honestly I hope once they have fixed the game and release the ps3 version, they also open a new server. They will have more time to focus on botting and everyone can start again if they wish.

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Originally Posted by viion

And where does the rare item come from? You're complaining that you dont want to put effort in yet you're complaining about those who dont want to put effort in. There wasnt a single item in XI I couldnt really get unless it was like Novio because my friends just were not skilled or never tried the NM, I even got a kraken which was mega rare, how did I get it? BCNM. Just keep trying and everytime I didnt get it, I would stockpile the gil go farm and try again. It took a long time yes but I got it and didnt need to cheat but I knew people who rmt'd to get it, and what did I do? Nothing, we went n killed bunch of shit n had fun cuse im not jealous nore do I care!

Yes they did make mistakes in XI, such as stupid spawn times, stupid item obtain rules, and their solution was Abyssea where you can solo to get most of everything and gil is absolute useless and XIV is doing the same exact thing, small spawn timers and everything being rare/ex

SE are not going to follow the same path and even if they did, you can still go get it. If you want to complain that it takes long to get something, then cheat lol otherwise you're playing the wrong game! This is a long time game.

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Gotta know...

Are you just playing devil's advocate here?

Or are you seriously defending and/or justifying botting?

If so... well... in light of what rampant botting did in FFXI.. it's pretty ridiculous that you're actually arguing for it... or, at the least, dismissing it as "no big deal".

But I see where your argument comes from "If it doesn't affect me, then it doesn't affect anyone else and everyone should mind their own business".

You keep challenging people's reasons for not wanting it in the game, as though they have to justify it to you, or it's bogus. Hate to break it to you, friend, but you're on the wrong side of the argument here, however you try to spin it.

The rules support those against botting, not for it. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here by defending it.

Do you, perhaps, partake in a bit of botting yourself and that's why you're so adamant about defending it? I mean, you're making some of the same classic arguments for it that admitted botters make, all essentially boiling down to "the game forces me to!", or "It doesn't affect anyone else, so it's none of your business!". You have the same sort of offensive/defensive response, challenging others to justify to you why they should care...

I always find it curious when people, like yourself, seem so determined to defend something that you - supposedly - "don't care about". Yet, you have posted several retorts here, essentially defending it, arguing that people should "mind their own business" and let it happen. Seems like an awful lot of personal investment for something you care so little about to post several times on the topic.

And here's another take on it.. If it means so little to you, fine. But then why should you care if other people would prefer not to see it happening around them? Why do you care what they think? What has you all hot and bothered about it that you feel compelled to argue against the people who would like to see the botters removed? What personal investment do you have in it?

If it doesn't matter to you either way, then why do you care if it does to others?

On Lindblum there are two lalafell alchemist bots.

While I do not have difinitive proof that they are bots, I can say they have been there for over 2 months in the same spot ranking up the same craft using rank 1 gear.

One is on the left side of a shop, the other on the right.

Besides those two obvious ones I haven't seen THAT many people doing what I would call obvious botting.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Gotta know...

Are you just playing devil's advocate here?

Or are you seriously defending and/or justifying botting?

If so... well... in light of what rampant botting did in FFXI.. it's pretty ridiculous that you're actually arguing for it... or, at the least, dismissing it as "no big deal".

But I see where your argument comes from "If it doesn't affect me, then it doesn't affect anyone else and everyone should mind their own business".

You keep challenging people's reasons for not wanting it in the game, as though they have to justify it to you, or it's bogus. Hate to break it to you, friend, but you're on the wrong side of the argument here, however you try to spin it.

The rules support those against botting, not for it. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here by defending it.

Do you, perhaps, partake in a bit of botting yourself and that's why you're so adamant about defending it? I mean, you're making some of the same classic arguments for it that admitted botters make, all essentially boiling down to "the game forces me to!", or "It doesn't affect anyone else, so it's none of your business!". You have the same sort of offensive/defensive response, challenging others to justify to you why they should care...

I always find it curious when people, like yourself, seem so determined to defend something that you - supposedly - "don't care about". Yet, you have posted several retorts here, essentially defending it, arguing that people should "mind their own business" and let it happen. Seems like an awful lot of personal investment for something you care so little about to post several times on the topic.

And here's another take on it.. If it means so little to you, fine. But then why should you care if other people would prefer not to see it happening around them? Why do you care what they think? What has you all hot and bothered about it that you feel compelled to argue against the people who would like to see the botters removed? What personal investment do you have in it?

If it doesn't matter to you either way, then why do you care if it does to others?

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You should reread my posts. I'm metely saying peoples reasoning is flawed and im sick of the innocent people getting banned out of other peoples bullshit reasons and reports.

I'll be against botters when you provide a valid reason

Who needs proof that someone bots when you can just make blind accusations. Just cause someone has a lot of 50s doesn't mean they bot. This seems to be the forums mentality on bots - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

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Originally Posted by viion

No I dont care, because I bought this game, I play for me, they dont affect me and never have in any game past/present, so why should I care. If peeps wanna bot, let um, isn't really any of your business lol.

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Still just as ignorant as the last time you posted this in a similar topic.
Bots do affect you. It just goes over your head as to how.

I can see why someone would use a fishing bot to be honest, its f'ing boring and soooo incredibly slow. (fix the damn sp SE)

A rank 50 legitimate gatherer has 100 times the dedication any battle class has.

I do think SE know who is botting but they are just waiting until the game goes P2P.

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Originally Posted by viion

You should reread my posts. I'm metely saying peoples reasoning is flawed and im sick of the innocent people getting banned out of other peoples bullshit reasons and reports.

I'll be against botters when you provide a valid reason

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First, you're lying.

Direct quote from you:

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No I dont care, because I bought this game, I play for me, they dont affect me and never have in any game past/present, so why should I care. If peeps wanna bot, let um, isn't really any of your business lol.

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You clearly indicate that it doesn't affect you, that people should be able to bot, and that it's no one else's business. You reiterate as much in later posts.

Second, you're trying to weave two completely different issues into the same argument. "People being wrongfully banned" is not the same as "if people want to bot, let 'em. It's none of your business".

Second, cut the "prove me wrong" BS. It's a disingenuous stunt that has been played by many others, over many other topics, across many message forums. The reason it's disingenuous is because you have already set yourself up as "being right" and place the onus on others to "prove you wrong". However, no matter what information you're given, what facts are provided, you will dismiss them all and say "see? I'm right. No one can provide a good reason".

It's the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears, shutting your eyes and saying "lalalala can't hear you!".

All it really does is reveals just how intellectually dishonest and willfully ignorant you insist on being.

Sadly, being ignorant of the facts (willfully or otherwise) doesn't exclude you from them. It's your responsibility to do the research and educate yourself on why botting is a problem and why it's prohibited so widely.

Secondly, it would be helpful for you to get over yourself and realize that your personal opinion on botting doesn't trump a developer's established rules regarding it. No, really. It doesn't.

If you truly want to know why botting is a problem and the ways in which it's a problem... My advice would be to get over yourself, take some initiative, do your own research - like everyone else has to - and educate yourself on the topic.

Finally... a parting word of advice: Being ignorant, snarky and obnoxious on a message forum does not "make you right".

That's all I'm going to say further on the topic because, frankly, I find people wielding their ignorance as though it was an ace card to be sad and pathetic and have no interest in entertaining it further in this case.

The argument that SE should wait until it's pay to play service is flawed. Never use the game's payment status as justification for its quality control, since it doesn't aim to be a Free to Play caliber game, and honestly it's still acting like one. That the developers don't seem to care is indication that the game isn't worth being paid for. Not the other way around.

Cheaters already squat every craft in this game. Every day some botcrafting illegitimate is finishing up another job to add to their arsenal.

A. Do they even acknowledge that the game is rife with cheating? Probably not.
B. If they do acknowledge it, when are they going to ban them? If they bot after you start charging? Why? They're making the game look bad NOW. Game looks like a joke NOW. Ban them NOW.

Every day that those craftbotters advance on their server is a day that Square Enix loses the respect of what little legitimate fan base they have. The majority of people who have quit the game but still check in on it hear about all these bots and just shake their heads and laugh. It's more evidence that the devs just don't care about the product enough to make it good.

It is way past due that Yoshida said and did something about the blatant cheating in this "whatever, **** it" mentality game we have going on here. Some of us still care.

Up to a quarter of high-level crafters are cheaters. And no one in charge seems to care.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I can see why someone would use a fishing bot to be honest, its f'ing boring and soooo incredibly slow. (fix the damn sp SE)

A rank 50 legitimate gatherer has 100 times the dedication any battle class has.

I do think SE know who is botting but they are just waiting until the game goes P2P.

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Every time I see one of these threads I'm afraid I'll be called out as a bot. I imagine a well made bot behaves like a person grinding away watching tv or something. I do feel proud as (probably) one of the few legitimate fishers grinding their way to 50 though. I even enjoy it!

Maybe if the game was acutally fun to play we would see less bots.... don't be mad, people are just doing the same thing they are doing in real life, have machines do their dirty work.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Maybe if the game was acutally fun to play we would see less bots.... don't be mad, people are just doing the same thing they are doing in real life, have machines do their dirty work.

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Poor excuse to justify cheating. If it's boring don't do it. If no one does it, they'll improve it. Your mentality makes it worse, since cheating fools SE into thinking people actually craft.

You shoot yourself in the foot with that kind of logic.

You basically just said that one of the better aspects of the game...needs an overhaul like everything else.

If that's the case fine. But if that's the case your ass should not be crafting if it's your decision that it's terrible. So many players will give that excuse for anything, as justification to cheat. Same way with pirating.

Ohhhh welll that product wasn't up to my standards, so I stole it. If it were better, I would have paid for it.
Ohhhh well crafting isn't up to my standards, so I botted it. If it were better, I would have actually done it.

Pa-thetic. What a sense of self-entitlement these people must have. If you don't like it, don't play it. Don't watch it. Don't do it. Ohhhh but they deserve to. They earned that R50 crafting job...somehow. one way or another. In their heads.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

First, you're lying.

Direct quote from you:
You clearly indicate that it doesn't affect you, that people should be able to bot, and that it's no one else's business. You reiterate as much in later posts.

Second, you're trying to weave two completely different issues into the same argument. "People being wrongfully banned" is not the same as "if people want to bot, let 'em. It's none of your business".

Second, cut the "prove me wrong" BS. It's a disingenuous stunt that has been played by many others, over many other topics, across many message forums. The reason it's disingenuous is because you have already set yourself up as "being right" and place the onus on others to "prove you wrong". However, no matter what information you're given, what facts are provided, you will dismiss them all and say "see? I'm right. No one can provide a good reason".

It's the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears, shutting your eyes and saying "lalalala can't hear you!".

All it really does is reveals just how intellectually dishonest and willfully ignorant you insist on being.

Sadly, being ignorant of the facts (willfully or otherwise) doesn't exclude you from them. It's your responsibility to do the research and educate yourself on why botting is a problem and why it's prohibited so widely.

Secondly, it would be helpful for you to get over yourself and realize that your personal opinion on botting doesn't trump a developer's established rules regarding it. No, really. It doesn't.

If you truly want to know why botting is a problem and the ways in which it's a problem... My advice would be to get over yourself, take some initiative, do your own research - like everyone else has to - and educate yourself on the topic.

Finally... a parting word of advice: Being ignorant, snarky and obnoxious on a message forum does not "make you right".

That's all I'm going to say further on the topic because, frankly, I find people wielding their ignorance as though it was an ace card to be sad and pathetic and have no interest in entertaining it further in this case.

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My quote you took, did I quote anyone in it? Nope I was answering the OP's post. I stand by that.

But then people quote me, so i replied back. First guy said you cannot compete with bot so you must report them! Because they ruin your game. No they dont im sorry but I could come along and ruin your game does that make me a bot? I could be 100% legit but your jealousy would cause you to report me. aka a bullshit excuse.

But then he went onto say how he was upset that he had to put a lot of time in to work for things, where as the bots dont, so isn't really much to do with botting really but is a bullshit excuse because bots primary purpose is so you dont have to put the effort in! Bit hypocritical. That whole debate was out of his jealousy because he has to work for it and botters dont.

Then you came in and said I was justifying a bot, I dont see how, even in the quote you mentioned. I said I dont care about it. People rob stores all day, do I sit down and cry or get angry? Nope. I've been robbed, it happens but im not going to go accuse everyone of being robbers just because they look dodgy or walk in a store with huddies and big waist pockets.

No ones given me any facts, no ones given me any proof that a bot is ruining the game, people say bots ruined XI, I dont see how ? What did they do? I played for 6 years or so, never at all did bots affect me. There were ones such as claim bots that could be classed as affecting me, but the people who claimed could of not been claim botting, you dont know 100%, so I dont instantly judge out of anger of not claiming so much. I come back next spawn and try again. Its like continuing losing a job at a specific place because the other guys "know" people who work there. You might be more skilled, worked harder, but they got the job, how you take that is w/e but I wouldnt get upset/angry i'd just come back another time or try another place.

I've done research, I've looked into every nut and cranny to figure out why botting is so bad, i've gone through the experience and it makes no clear cut. A lot of people get confused between Botters and RMTers, they are 2 seperate things, and such things as the guy complaining about the economy, the RMTers might have a large involvement in that, its not the botting that is doing it, is the RMT drive. (Which is illegal by law in some places, botting is not...)

I also dont see where i gave the impression of my opinion on botting doesnt trump developer rules, (you should seriously look into why those rules are there, and be horribly upset when they're for the companies interest, not yours or anyones). Theres rules on downloading music, rules on watching online shows, do you pay a TV licence? Its illegal to watch shows online without one, its illegal to listen to music on youtube from unofficial users, its illegal to download cracked software, but everyone falls in it, i gauntness many here broke SE's NDA. now I know you're going to see that with one eye and think "oh so that makes it fine?", think of it as everyone goes around rules, bend rules, rules as whole mean nothing, they're just a subset to what the persons interests are and only when caught using "his own rules" we'll shall call it, will the official rules take priority.

You see me not sharing the "whats right" opinion of hating botters and thus im defined ignorant.

If you cant provide any facts/proof as to how bots damage gameplay then please share this need to anti-bot for "rules" sake. I would love to know why people have a true hatred for bots. (Not RMT, not hackers, botters and only them)

What does anyone actually gain from boting in this game? Gil is plentiful enough that only the most braindead of monkeys would actually buy FFXIV gil, and nowhere near enough people are playing the game to where you can have a constant stream of income for your other classes anyway, and if gil is what you're after, see my first point.

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

What does anyone actually gain from boting in this game? Gil is plentiful enough that only the most braindead of monkeys would actually buy FFXIV gil, and nowhere near enough people are playing the game to where you can have a constant stream of income for your other classes anyway, and if gil is what you're after, see my first point.

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They gain position to ride the bubble on several crafts when the level cap is raised again, new synths are added, etc. In the plausible event that gil does become viable and certain wanted items are expensive, they'll have the tools to beat everyone else to the price with. It's an investment...that they put no investement in.

Bots are currently not harming anything because theres not much to harm... In the future they will have to start cracking down on them though.

ITT: Anyone with a 50 DoL/DoH class bots.

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What does anyone actually gain from boting in this game? Gil is plentiful enough that only the most braindead of monkeys would actually buy FFXIV gil, and nowhere near enough people are playing the game to where you can have a constant stream of income for your other classes anyway, and if gil is what you're after, see my first point.

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2 separate things........ botting is not RMT botting is botting, RMT is RMT.

Another reason I dont give a crap if people bot, cuse some cant be bothered to learn the difference.

I'm afraid that I have to side with Viion at least on a temporary basis simply due to the fact that absolutely NOTHING matters in the game currently.

We have no idea what's going to change, how, and when, and that's not counting the game going pay to play eventually. It isn't an exaggeration to assert that those who bot literally have no effect on your game experience currently.

But this goes for botters as well. Why would you even waste your time botting on something that you generally find boring in the first place? I mean yeah, that's probably the line of thought that makes one want to bot, but seriously, go spend your time and resources on doing something engaging to you. You're not really gaining anything right now except a higher power bill.

Like Kuro says, they'll probably start cracking down on them when it actually matters.

Also, while they're two different things, that doesn't mean they remain mutually exclusive to eachother. Plenty of RMT folks bot.

I think the thread was only referring to legitimate players who use bots. Not RMT. Which is why they're two different things. :o

Uh...it matters now. Illegitimate players are getting away with positioning themselves illegitimately in the retail game as we speak.
When the game goes pay to play, they'll probably cool the botting for a while to see if some idiots get banned for it. Then if they are, they won't bot.

Annnd they still cheated their way to what they earned and should have been banned. It matters now. Ban them when it matters. IE now.

The only person who petitions for cheaters to be banned later are cheaters who plan on making hay now, and stopping if need be. Period. Half of you all sit there and think that your words don't give you away, as if you can hide being sympathetic to botters. Just because no one can prove you're a closet botter doesn't mean we can't tell lol...

Not fooling anyone. we have more than a few people in here with some levels padded by botting. They plan on stopping when the game starts charging just to see if SE will actually do something. If so, they won't bot. Advantage gained. Harm done. If not, they'll go back to botting. Cautiously at first, then just like they always did.

Hell, most of the botters already know that the first infraction is just a suspension. that's a small price to pay for botting your ass for four months.

Ban em two months ago. Makes NO sense to wait. At all.

@Peregrine how much time you spend per day and how many day to reach lv 50 of that crafting and mining job?

No idea. Doesn't matter. If you don't like it, don't do it. Don't cheat at it, in the process doing it, and in that process seeming to like it.
If you want to petition that the crafting system be funner and faster you go right ahead and do that.

Don't give me your lame excuses though as to why you deserve my levels, without actually doing it. I'm okay with you saying the crafting system isn't fun and is too slow. I will box your ears if you think you deserve the levels without playing the game though.

If it isn't fun, your option is this: don't do it. Ask for it to be better.
Period.

This third option...oh well cheat until it's worth your time to actually do. No. Get out.

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No idea. Doesn't matter. If you don't like it, don't do it. Don't cheat at it, in the process doing it, and in that process seeming to like it.
If you want to petition that the crafting system be funner and faster you go right ahead and do that.

Don't give me your lame excuses though.

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Yea I think you made your point a while go, you don't agree with it.

SE have their reasons for not making it a priority, for all we know though they could be gathering data.

Peregrine has mining at 48 AND a 50 crafting job. I think its safe to say that he bots and is just trying to save face.

Kurozikaze has Shield at 44 and Fishing at 28. I think its safe to say that he bots and is just trying to save face.

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Originally Posted by KaiLarson

Honestly I hope once they have fixed the game and release the ps3 version, they also open a new server. They will have more time to focus on botting and everyone can start again if they wish.

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As much as some would hate this, I think a wipe of all characters (names saved to your SE account to reuse) may be in order once the game gets turned around and set for PS3 launch. Otherwise you have a potential economic mess in your hands.

Things as they are could be called a repeat of Lineage II's screw up with the grim collector quest right before official launch.

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Kurozikaze has Shield at 44 and Fishing at 28. I think its safe to say that he bots and is just trying to save face.

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I dont think you got the point!

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

Kurozikaze has Shield at 44 and Fishing at 28. I think its safe to say that he bots and is just trying to save face.

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Wow it's really windy in here.

Also... How do you bot shield? lol

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Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

Peregrine has mining at 48 AND a 50 crafting job. I think its safe to say that he bots and is just trying to save face.

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a friend of mine (quitted i think more then a month ago) was def. not botting and played a shit load of time, she had people selling her resources and made a shit load of money crafting high lvl gear back when there were a little more people playing.

She had i think 2 lvl 50 crafts and 2 battleclasses at 50. Its not much less then what Peregrine has, but she dindt quit more then a month ago... so accusing people for botting just because they spend a shit load of time pressing one button is stupid imo und unfair.

I wouldnt do it but i know not only one person who does it (and is NOT botting). One has to be very careful with these "guesses" since the more you accuse people for botting the less SE can do in the end since they cant ban people based on assumptions...

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Kurozikaze has Shield at 44 and Fishing at 28. I think its safe to say that he bots and is just trying to save face.

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Link me to this shield skill bot you speak of, I MUST HAVE DEFLECTION. Oh wait I already have 50 Sentinel, I must have botted that. Kurozikaze's sarcasm apparently went right over your head.

I'm waiting for a mod to close this thread down just like they closed the last thread that Peregrin frequented. He's becoming more of an outcast to this community than Belgian and at a more alarming rate. Peregrine please just stop talking so threads stop getting deleted.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

As much as some would hate this, I think a wipe of all characters (names saved to your SE account to reuse) may be in order once the game gets turned around and set for PS3 launch. Otherwise you have a potential economic mess in your hands.

Things as they are could be called a repeat of Lineage II's screw up with the grim collector quest right before official launch.

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This cannot and will NEVER happen.

*looks up* Wow... A lot of people fail at sarcasm here. I gotta tone it down for you guys it seems.

Hold on lemme spill it out for you. The entire premise of this thread is to accuse people of botting and state their progress as harmful to the game. I'm just trying to say that baseless accusations can go both ways.

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Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

Wow it's really windy in here.

Also... How do you bot shield? lol

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lol, you dont have to do anything to level it, you must be botting!

just trying to put a bit of humor in here

we all know botting is wrong, its amazing how many threads we need to have discussing why

lol i think my shield skill is my highest just because i lvl thm and con one at a time and try to keep their lvls close. Both using shield-staff combo usually... it will be lvl 50 before any other of my jobs is 50 :D

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

lol, you dont have to do anything to level it, you must be botting!

just trying to put a bit of humor in here

we all know botting is wrong, its amazing how many threads we need to have discussing why

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if ffxiv was more fun the forum would have 20% of the threads it currently has.
Actually its quite entertaining looking at the wars goin on, its really much more of a story then we currently have in game, i begin to enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

lol, you dont have to do anything to level it, you must be botting!

just trying to put a bit of humor in here

we all know botting is wrong, its amazing how many threads we need to have discussing why

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If you find a bot though, lemme know. I got 4 levels to bang out. j/k btw

Sig is way outdated.