This is why the community/DF is so terrible.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

No. Learning to accept the vile behaviour is the first step to keep things as they are. Things need to be better.

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Being thick skinned and accepting the behavior are not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Being thick skinned and accepting the behavior are not the same thing.

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It is pretty much - Thick skinned means you don't let stuff bother you, which is the same as accepting the behavior because "it doesn't bother you" and if you speak out against it or want something to change you get told "grow thicker skin."

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

It is pretty much - Thick skinned means you don't let stuff bother you, which is the same as accepting the behavior because "it doesn't bother you" and if you speak out against it or want something to change you get told "grow thicker skin."

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Except it's not.

http://www.self.com/blogs/flash/2013...cker-skin.html

Accepting the behavior means you think it's ok. Means it's acceptable to you. Here's the thing, just because you don't accept the behavior, doesn't mean you can change the behavior of that person. So you need thick skin to prevent it from causing problems with yourself. Doesn't mean you accept it in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

I see I've left you speechless

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Lol what? I was editing my post since it's a small limit. People like me? Maybe you should read my post above. I'm one of the FEW people that don't scream at people if that have white gear. I say lets go anyway. Either we're gonna make it or we're going to keep dying. But in the end I ALWAYS make a new friend. People like you are what's toxic. The whole "I only care about my self" attitude, it's ridiculous.

I have read the storyline! And I've been the person that wanted to watch the CS while others didn't. They didnt rage they just said it's a speed run. I said oh okay. Now I had three options.
A. Stay be a jerk slow everyone down (since I'm the healer)
B. Leave and find a group that wouldn't mind
C. Finish the group and watch it in the inn.

I understand you like the story and think other people should play for the story too but they don't. That is life.

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Originally Posted by Faedden

Lol what? I was editing my post since it's a small limit. People like me? Maybe you should read my post above. I'm one of the FEW people that don't scream at people if that have white gear. I say lets go anyway. Either we're gonna make it or we're going to keep dying. But in the end I ALWAYS make a new friend. People like you are what's toxic. The whole "I only care about my self" attitude, it's ridiculous.

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I don't care if you scream at people or not, although it's nice that you don't. It's the attitude you have, which you CLEARLY posted on THIS thread about people griefing each other. It's the fact that you said it was selfish for people to watch the cutscenes, even if you don't say it to people in the dungeon you are in.

Seriously, how does it look like I only care about myself? You know I'm far past the storyline, right? I can't even tell you the amount of times I've done Castrum for tomestones... and never, ever, will I think it is selfish that other people want to watch the cutscenes. If you think that is toxic, I really have no idea what to say to you. People who want speed runs should prebuild a group. Otherwise, you may be stuck with people who want to watch the cutscenes and IF they do, you need to respect it... both in action and in thought. If you 'don't say something' and then come to the forums and hypothetically call people selfish... that's not being very amicable.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

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It's not selfish that they want to watch the cut scenes it's selfish if it's ONE person holding the entire group up. It's selfish if it's ONE person rushing the entire group. The OP posted about his ONE friend. The other person I responded to talked about how he or she will hold up the entire group. That no matter how you slice it is selfish. What people need to understand is that people who do BOTH play styles ARE going to use the DF regardless of what it was intended for. Since that dungeon is needed to farm for tomes chances are you're going to get a speed run group. If one or two people hold up the entire group that is selfish. Should people be allowed to say rude things to them? No. But is it right of them to think THEIR time is more important than everyone elses? No. That's when the majority rules system for that group comes in.

The same options people give speed runners can be used for people who want to watch the CS it's that simple.

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Originally Posted by Faedden

It's not selfish that they want to watch the cut scenes it's selfish if it's ONE person holding the entire group up. It's selfish if it's ONE person rushing the entire group. The OP posted about his ONE friend. The other person I responded to talked about how he or she will hold up the entire group. That no matter how you slice it is selfish. What people need to understand is that people who do BOTH play styles ARE going to use the DF regardless of what it was intended for. Since that dungeon is needed to farm for tomes chances are you're going to get a speed run group. If one or two people hold up the entire group that is selfish. Should people be allowed to say rude things to them? No. But is it right of them to think THEIR time is more important than everyone elses? No. That's when the majority rules system for that group comes in.

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They don't have to think their time is more important. Again, they are there to be watched, otherwise they wouldn't be. Should they be forced to skip or quit and take a 15 minute timer + queue time JUST because the other 7 want to rush? No. Because that ruins the experience for them. And SE wants them to have that experience if they wish. You keep talking majority, but it's SE's game, not ours. It's like someone who thinks they have free speech on the forums or in game, you don't.

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Originally Posted by Faedden

It's not selfish that they want to watch the cut scenes it's selfish if it's ONE person holding the entire group up. It's selfish if it's ONE person rushing the entire group. The OP posted about his ONE friend. The other person I responded to talked about how he or she will hold up the entire group. That no matter how you slice it is selfish. What people need to understand is that people who do BOTH play styles ARE going to use the DF regardless of what it was intended for. Since that dungeon is needed to farm for tomes chances are you're going to get a speed run group. If one or two people hold up the entire group that is selfish. Should people be allowed to say rude things to them? No. But is it right of them to think THEIR time is more important than everyone elses? No. That's when the majority rules system for that group comes in.

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I already finished the storyline early on because I had the time to. When I finished the storyline, most people were also on the storyline, so most of us were watching the cutscenes and I never had to deal with the "HURRY UP WE'RE FARMING" abuse that others are constantly posting about. However, should I be 'privileged' because I happened to finish the storyline before others? Do I suddenly get to rush anyone else who might be enjoying the storyline now? What about a few months from now when a new influx of players are starting up?

I do not see one person watching a cutscene in a dungeon as selfish. I see it as, "Well, if I wanted to do a speed run, I should have made a premade group..." and I usually do. But if I don't? I don't complain because I CHOSE that. How hard is it to make a premade group, anyway? It's NOT. Just shout in revenant's toll for ten minutes and you'll form a premade within a few minutes.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

. How hard is it to make a premade group, anyway? It's NOT. Just shout in revenant's toll

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The same can be said for first timers. I've actually seen several people shout that they are first timers and are looking for other first timers or people who dont mind waiting on the CS

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

I don't complain because I CHOSE that

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Everyone by now should know that the majority of CM runs when using the DF are speed runs. If they decided to use it anyway (regardless if the devs said it's for first timers, first timers aren't the only ones using it) they CHOSE that. They need to understand that speed runs will happen most of the time.

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Originally Posted by ispano

They don't have to think their time is more important. Again, they are there to be watched, otherwise they wouldn't be. Should they be forced to skip or quit and take a 15 minute timer + queue time JUST because the other 7 want to rush? No. Because that ruins the experience for them. And SE wants them to have that experience if they wish. You keep talking majority, but it's SE's game, not ours. It's like someone who thinks they have free speech on the forums or in game, you don't.

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So them making the other 7 people wait and ruining their experience is okay? Lol I understand it's not our game but it is for us to play it. And since we're playing it with other people you have to learn how to share and sometimes do things you don't want too. It seems like none of you were taught that as a child. None of you ever had to do the majority rule system in school? I mean this is absurd lol. Yeah I know CS were meant to be watched but guess what? They put cs in a dungeon that people need to keep running and they gave an option to skip AND an option to watch cut scenes in the inn. Wonder why.

The only reason you see the 'majority' of people using DF for speed runs is because you ONLY have to do Castrum ONCE for the story. After that, people farm it for tomestones to get better gear... and you have to farm it a LOT to get Darklight. The body piece alone costs you over thirteen runs (assuming you don't have any gear to trade in from 1.0). This is the reason you see most people who are farming... But that doesn't mean that the first-timers shouldn't be able to enjoy the story if they want to. It's not the same watching it in an inn, and they shouldn't have to keep dropping group because people don't want to wait.

People who are being demanding and skipping cutscenes should be the ones with the burden to build their own group, not players who are still trying to finish the story because the dungeon was BUILT around the story. Yes, people use it to farm tomestones, but the dungeon is part of the MAIN storyline. That is its first purpose. If you want to use it for another purpose, prebuild a group. Luckily, kicking isn't an option so people can watch cutscenes to their heart's content... but not everyone can take the heartless cruelty that is the internet. Perhaps it's the years of verbal 'abuse' I've dealt with as a female pvper in mandatory voice chats, but I've learned to shrug off the mean things people say. Not everyone is the same way, and a casual player is much less likely to know how to deal with the rude people in MMOs. The person in the OP almost quit over it... and this isn't the first time I've seen that happen. That Praetorium group I was in? A few people were criticized so harshly for watching the cutscenes that one person left. A few others decided to leave in this person's defense... but before they left, one person said, "You've ruined this experience for him. He wants to quit the game now. Next time, think about what you say before you say it."

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Originally Posted by Faedden

So them making the other 7 people wait and ruining their experience is okay? Lol I understand it's not our game but it is for us to play it. And since we're playing it with other people you have to learn how to share and sometimes do things you don't want too. It seems like none of you were taught that as a child. None of you ever had to do the majority rule system in school? I mean this is absurd lol. Yeah I know CS were meant to be watched but guess what? They put cs in a dungeon that people need to keep running and they gave an option to skip AND an option to watch cut scenes in the inn. Wonder why.

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I've learned far more in my first 18 years than most have in 50. You said it yourself, they gave an OPTION to skip. But you keep glossing over the fact it's not given to you unless you choose to use it. The CS plays automatically, and there's a reason for that. You have to WILLINGLY make the choice to skip it. You have to willingly opt out of the cutscene. That means the content was designed around watching it. It was designed to be watched. The fact SE wants people to watch them, trumps ANY "majority rule" people wish to use to get people to skip or leave.

Like I said before, if it always popped up and asked you if you wanted to watch or not watch, then you would be correct. 7 players trying to get the 8th to skip for any reason is harassment. If you ask nicely? Fine, but that's not what most people do. And the person can still say no.

I say all this as someone who skipped ALL Cutscenes in dungeons, even my first time. But that was a choice against the default. I will never expect someone new, regardless of majority, to do the same.

Lastly, majority rule is not always right. People think it's an absolute and must always be followed, this is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

It's not the same watching it in an inn

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That's a personal preference because I watched some of the scenes in an inn and it was just fine. If you're going to hold everyone up for a personal preference. That's being selfish. I realize it's a story dungeon but SE made it one of the best ways to get tomes. So now it's NOT ONLY a story dungeon.People who want to slow down a farming process for a ONE TIME STORY should have the burden of finding pre made groups. I personally think anyone who wants to use the DF can and should. You just have to deal with other people's play styles and that's what a lot of kids here don't know how to do.

People quitting the game because of what some loser said is ridiculous. If they're willing to quit over that, they probably didn't like the game too much to begin with.

you know that the trouble is not the DF?
but the people that want all fast, immediatly, now!! worst this player are often not good player... they get them full Darklight armor but miss all the important skill they need to get for the endgame content, like swiftcast for the healer. check most of the person full DL you will be amazed, most of them have one class 50, one class 15 and nothing else.

the trouble is the speedrun, you can say me whatever you want.... is the main trouble it's this mentality that say you need to be the first... when it's clearly impossible since legacy group full DL was already there hehehe. i found it really really funny.

i have already say it into another thread, speedrun while using DF must be considering as griefing and harassing (often it lead to that) and must be considerer like a bannable action. like said you want to speedrun fine... don't force people to do it! don't ruin the game of the other! want to do it? create a group for that.

but speedrunner, will mostly be the first burned up people that will leave the game. in a couple of month we will laughs thinking about this...

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

Learn to be thick-skinned. The world is full of these people, it's not just the game. She should have just left and re-queued after 15 minutes. No one is forcing her to stay with that group

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That shouldn't be an excuse in their favor. We should not learn to be thick-skinned, we should be enforcing that this behavior is not a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Faedden

They put cs in a dungeon that people need to keep running and they gave an option to skip AND an option to watch cut scenes in the inn. Wonder why.

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There originally was no option to review cutscenes in the beta, and people complained about that because sometimes they had to skip cutscenes for RL reasons and wanted to then re-view them later (some of them are very long) or accidentally skipped them.

The issue that a story dungeon is one that people need/want to run over and over again to grind is a seperate story that maybe needs to be reconsidered. But arguably, if you're an endgamer, you should be in a decent FC or LS and putting together parties for speedrunning together like a well-oiled machine, not complaining about newbies in the DF.

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Originally Posted by Vinta

That shouldn't be an excuse in their favor. We should not learn to be thick-skinned, we should be enforcing that this behavior is not a good thing.

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Again, you can do both. Having a thick skin and accepting a certain behavior are NOT the same thing. Take these two examples in response to the same offensiveness. One person breaks down in tears and wants to quit the game. The other tells the person they are vulgar or whatnot and reports them if it warrants it. Neither accept the behavior, but the second one has "thick skin"

Pre-made groups are worse in my experience, i joined one thought hey a speed run, must be really fast right, so i join as healer, 7 members, 1 last spot, tank, they invite a bard, they say 1 tank is all that is needed, they were completely obsessed with there dps, one of them had a dps meter program or something, and they kept comparing dps, the BLM and SMN had agro more than the 1 tank group had, we wiped so many times on 2nd boss due to group being so lazy with killing adds, i can understand with 2 tanks u can some times not kill adds if you have good dps, but still.

We some how manged in the end, but i really did not enjoy the Castrum run and will be the last time i ever do a Pre-made with strangers, random pugs or FC runs all the way, lol

And yes i think there should be some incentive for people running it with first timers to be patient and not rude to people watching cut scenes, god knows how they would do it.

My god... I'm finding myself wondering if this game is worth staying with if this is the kind of attitude I get to deal with when I hit 50.

Is it really so big of a deal for a couple of people to wait five minutes to complete a run? Cutscenes aren't overly long, and they're immersive. Having them when you come into a room and showing you what's going on, the why of it, is why they're there. It was the way the dungeon was designed.

I've gone back to old dungeons I've completed plenty of times and happily sat while other people watched the cutscene. What's a few minutes?

And this is the thing... Why would anyone want to deal with people who feel it's okay to bully them into some "hurry hurry hurry" group-think mentality? Why would someone want to spend their leisure time being forced to rush, or sit on their thumbs?

And Faedden, people quitting the game because of abuse has nothing to do with enjoying the game. People shouldn't have to deal with d-bags ridiculing them for enjoying the game as presented. People shouldn't have to deal with d-bags telling them to "grow a thick skin" if they want to play a video game. People shouldn't have to deal with d-bags who think that five minutes of time is worth more than a community.

I love how the response of people is 'make a pre-made.'

The mission description when you are doing the story says to and I quote 'use duty-finder to queue up for *insert dungeon here". It doesn't say, 'use duty-finder for speed-runs and grinding, if you want to experience the story play with some friends.'

Duty-finder was originally designed as a stop-gap to prevent people from waiting when completing the story. Not for people to ruin the experience of people who are just trying to enjoy the story by matching them with people who verbally abuse them for trying to enjoy the story. You should be saying make a pre-made to the people grinding tomes. Not the people who are trying to get through the story.

This isn't DOTA. Its nowhere near as challenging, but people here are treating other players worse than the DOTA/League community and that's saying something.

I randomly queue as a whm/con in dungeons and be the 'knight in shining armour' for people who have the misfortune of a crappy group. I queue for ifrit/titan too occassionally and I usually expect not to see the end of it. lol.
granted this is only up to lvl 32 but why not? dps have shorter queues and if there's an asshat in the group I can just go all 'do this without the healer' on them.

I already know that at lvl 50 I will make it a point to AT LEAST queue with a friendly healer and/or tank so I can be sure nobody can do anything if I want to watch a cutscene (or if I've already done it we can make sure others can watch the scenes)

I will however NOT just 'give in' and stop using the duty finder. the more often I queue the higher the chance for others to have at least one person in their group that won't yell at them for stupid crap. the less 'decent' people queue, the more asshats abuse the duty finder.

I think it's rather rude to ask anyone to skip cutscenes, especially in a story dungeon.

Problem being is people will act how they act because there is absolute atomity in the game... Other then GM's who know who you are cause they have access to your account info... There is no reprucutions for being a jerk..... Most people think the worst they act the better and cooler it makes them.... Everyone pays and play's the same game as you do.. If dungenons that there trying to do drop the gear that is what they should be getting.. Theres no need to be rude to them... If they want to watch there story lines so what.. Go get a drink use the restroom seriously 3 mins is not the end of the world.

I would say a good portion of the people you'll queue with in DF will either a) not speak at all b) speak in a language you cannot understand or b) be completely retarded, count yourself fortunate if you get a good party through DF system when going in solo, I would suggest trying to form groups outside of DF before resorting to it, its a big wide world out there, and there are a helluva lot of idiots or rude people.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

I blame WOW and LoL, personally.

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I think people who blame millions of other people because there are jerks in every game are part of the problem. Yeah, people on games can be very rude. They've been like this in every online game I've ever played. This doesn't give you the right to put down large groups of people just because they're the popular scapegoats currently. It solves nothing and makes you look pretty bad on top of it.

And, while I've not played LoL for more than about half an hour because I didn't like the way it played, WoW is one of the MMOs I've played a lot of and it is no where near as bad as people make it out to be. Yeah, there are jerks just like every other game but they don't seem to be as constant as people think. And, on top of that, WoW players don't spend their time bashing other games in every channel/forum related to it. This is something I see in most non-WoW games.

Duty Finder, by its very nature, will group you with a random person.
Speed running a dungeon is a goal that can not be guaranteed by having a random person.
If you are attempting a goal that can not be met by being grouped with a random person, then you must re-think if you wish to use duty finder.

Duty finder is there for people to go through Story Mode (rather than sit in Ul'Dah shouting for day(s)).

Duty finder is there for people who want to go through dungeons but accept they will be grouped with random people of random skill (and therefore must accept that will not be an optimal group, and may not even succeed... But it is better than sitting in Ul'Dah shouting for day(s)).

LS/FC/FList is for people who want to do speed runs or perfect runs or what not and have control over who they are grouped with.

If one is serious about 'end game' and 'speed runs' and one is not in an FC/LS that is geared towards that, then one has only themselves to blame. Joining an FC/LS for this is the expected behavior. Doing DF is explicitly designed (by its random nature) to NOT be for this.

There are plenty of FCs and LSs... there are almost as many shouts to join an FC as there are RMT sellers (almost).


That being said: Harassment, hate, MPK, abuse, etc. There NEVER is justification for that. Anyone who does that is extremely small and petty and a truly pathetic person who should be ignored at all costs. For those who run into them in dungeons, please, give them *ONE* chance to change their behavior. If they fail to do so, simply leave. The rotten personalities of other people should not impact other's enjoyment of this beautiful game.

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Originally Posted by Darkillumina

Duty-finder was originally designed as a stop-gap to prevent people from waiting when completing the story.

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It doesn't matter what it was originally designed for. Fact of the matter is, the great majority of players in the duty finder now are there for speed runs. The minority of players looking for a one-time, specialized run should be the ones to find a group in order to minimize the overall number of players being inconvenienced. Simple utilitarianism.

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Originally Posted by dontcare

It doesn't matter what it was originally designed for. Fact of the matter is, the great majority of players in the duty finder now are there for speed runs. The minority of players looking for a one-time, specialized run should be the ones to find a group in order to minimize the overall number of players being inconvenienced. Simple utilitarianism.

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And you would be wrong, as others before you have been. I will not repeat the posts, you can find them yourself.

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Originally Posted by dontcare

It doesn't matter what it was originally designed for. Fact of the matter is, the great majority of players in the duty finder now are there for speed runs. The minority of players looking for a one-time, specialized run should be the ones to find a group in order to minimize the overall number of players being inconvenienced. Simple utilitarianism.

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Invalid argument. It does not matter what the majority use a system for, the priority is given to what the system is meant to be used for.

Hopefully in a couple of months, such ***holes quit the game and will do something to ruin their own lives. :)

The DF is so bad because there's so little to do and it's just an crying-blood grind.

Can you honestly blame people for just trying to get their tomes and every instance finding some guy that wants to double the length of the run because he's watching cutscenes?

I've done CM once and decided it was the dumbest raid I'd ever seen and never went again, but you know what? I viewed it as courteous to skip the cutscenes. I respect that not everyone does, but making the group wait on me seemed lame. I did this before I was even asked, and I did it early on, before CM Speed Runs were a major fad.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Key storyline dungeons should not be a target for dbag speedrunners.

Something must be done quickly if we are to keep decent and good-willed players interested in the game -- otherwise, we all lose.

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I agree with you, but I also think SE did this too keep that content relevant. Otherwise, how long would some poor soul have to wait to just get a group to finish that part of their story 2-4 months down the road...how about 3 years?

I DO wish that SE would reward 'vets' of some content a slightly better reward if they 'watch all CS's' and help a person who's on their first clear through any DF content.

So like in Castrum, if you have a new player in the group and you personally watch all the CS's, and they get their clear= an additional 15 tombs.
Help a new player through AK? =10 more Myth tomes, and maybe 5 Phil tombs.

Let's just say, I have had more bad experiences with the DF then I have good.

Which in itself, is bad.

EDIT: I seriously dislike it when people say, "Make your own party if you want to watch CS's" <---This.Is.Just.Stupid. To be blunt.

Firstly when you get the quest for CM during the story line, the quest description tells the player to USE THE DUTY FINDER to go into CM.
"Description:
Raubahn stands ready to commence the penultimate phase of Operation Archon.
Objectives:
Use the Duty Finder to enter Castrum Meridianum.
Report to Raubahn."

Basically, when someone gets a new dungeon 90% of the time they are going to register in the DF before they think, "Oh maybe I should create my own party because maybe, just maybe, people won't enjoy me watching CS's" <--No one would think this automatically as soon as they open CM.

This statement isn't to prove that someone should go into CM via Duty finder while intending to watch the CS's. However, this statement is to show how people new to CM use the Duty when they open it because they don't know that (maybe) their party members won't want them to watch CS's.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Quite simply, Power gamers have ruined DF, and have diminished the community at large.

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Just like how power gamers ruined FFXI ("accepted" job combinations, gear "standards", ace and lol jobs) and how they ruined WoW ("accepted" class specs, the existence of the term "sunwelled", lolret). They, much like RMT are something that comes with the territory. The bigger concern leans more to what the game's design is doing to lessen the effect of these people on other players.

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Obviously the solution to this problem isn't easy, but a good start would be greatly reduce Tomestone drops from CM and Praetorium. Key storyline dungeons should not be a target for dbag speedrunners.

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The reason the devs put tomestone in CM and Praetorium was to make it easier to find a group to do those dungeons via duty finder. You remove or substancially lessen the reward and you'll have a scenario where you wouldn't be able to run thsoe instances once you've missed the levelling spree. SE wasn't counting on people being such jerks simply because they wanted darklight gear yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

I DO wish that SE would reward 'vets' of some content a slightly better reward if they 'watch all CS's' and help a person who's on their first clear through any DF content.

So like in Castrum, if you have a new player in the group and you personally watch all the CS's, and they get their clear= an additional 15 tombs.
Help a new player through AK? =10 more Myth tomes, and maybe 5 Phil tombs.

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I agree that there should be a tangible reward for level-capped players for helping newbies through instances.

The main issue I've seen leveling MRD is that even at low levels people are intolerant and will leave groups hanging. I got the last 3 levels on MRD just joining dungeon groups in progress and the queue for tanks was insanely fast. Having run AK repeatedly for stones, I've seen it gets worse at level cap. Yes, you'll get people who don't get the mechanics up until you run out of time, but in the end if you're looking to cap Myth stones ASAP you might want to make a guild run or something.

The situation is messed up no matter how you look at it, but with such limited content (WP, AK, primals, Coil if you're lucky), the situation is very tricky.

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Originally Posted by Caraway

My god... I'm finding myself wondering if this game is worth staying with if this is the kind of attitude I get to deal with when I hit 50.

Is it really so big of a deal for a couple of people to wait five minutes to complete a run? Cutscenes aren't overly long, and they're immersive. Having them when you come into a room and showing you what's going on, the why of it, is why they're there. It was the way the dungeon was designed.

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In other threads about this there are people actually calculating for you how much lifetime you're stealing from them by watching cutscenes. I can only assume that the people being aholes about speedruns (from what I've read since I'm far from endgame and won't be there in the near future) are the ones not renewing their subscription lol. I believe I remember Yoshi-P saying in one of his live letters during beta that he expects people to need around 2-3 months (?) to reach endgame and I was like "eh? he thinks that?". I have no idea, why people are literally exhausting themselves 4 weeks after launch at what they call "end-game" AND are rude about it. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad at the same time.
The rudeness however is everywhere in this game and from the last few dungeons I noticed a slight increase. I'm already used to people not even saying Hello (yes I consider that rude bc seriously... 4 ppl meet up to do something and noone says anything?? I even greet when I step into an elevator and I only ride like 1 or 2 floors with the person(s) in there, not gonna spend xx minutes with them fighting monsters), but if people criticize someone they don't use words like "could, should, you know, if..." no, they apparently plugged in the keyboard to smash in words like "fkn retards" or the "friendlier" version I've seen "y'all are idiots". I really cannot imagine what hostile environment they come from that insults are spewing from them first and only, like seriously grew up in a secluded cage or what? I'm not saying we all need to be saints and endure and pamper players that show some... "strange" behaviour, but the grade of unfriendly behaviour I've seen is starting to feel disconcerting :/ Me and my best friend we already decided to sort of flee into a FC/LS bc it seems you cannot make friends on the "outside" anymore... the nice and friendly people have all gone into hiding.

I've DF'd all my dungeons to date, and it has mostly been good.
Although if there's ever someone who begins to rant about people watching a cutscene or whatever, I'll be right there watching it with them, even if I've done it before :P
It's fun being a healer and seeing if they're willing to try it without me ^_^

It actually reminds me of how I act when driving a car in real life. I leave early for things, so I'm never in a hurry and just do the speed limit the whole way. So whenever someone tail-gates me from them being in a hurry, I slow down a little :P
See, I'M not the one who's gonna lose anything, and I enjoy the torment of those who deserve it and are already on the edge of blind rage ^_^
Turn the music up and enjoy the trip in your happy place. You'll both end up at your destinations, only you'll be having a much better day ^^

People say now DF is fine and they experiment nothing but good run. But oh boy, wait until you get to 50 and do your End Game Dungeon. Got in a CM today and even I try to skip cut scence for them they still think it too slow and keep yelling "COME! FOLLOW US! HURRY!" I don't understand what is up with all the crazy Elitist Speed Runner. The game is not gonna sink and died in a Month or so, what is with the rush. It is for the epeen and server first that no one even care? A lot of people is quitting because of CM is tied to story quest and people who use DF find them self in this situation all the time.

They really need to fix this speed run BS! I'm starting to have doubt about this community and don't think this attitude will ever end. Maybe I should just wait longer until all this douche bag who care about server first so much to get all their crap first.

If she is willing to quit the game, over what a bunch of nobodies over teh interwebs said to her, maybe said internets aren't the place for her.

Forcing a slow leveling would be the best way to deal with this. Nerf Fate xp by 90%.
Nerf Tomestone drops by 70-80%.

Make everything too painful for those who only rush and have no plans to play this game over a longer period of time.

There's plenty of other MMO's out there where you can get to max level in a day and stand around in a circle with all your other max geared pals showing off your epeen, tellin less-geared and new players "l2p".

And just think of the shitstorm on the forums, it would be something to behold!

If you think its just DF your mistaken. The same mentality exist in FC who Don't use DF.

I remember in the old WoW vanilla days we'd actually set up our groups via local chat and whispers. This way picking the people you're about to depend on for the next hour or so was more personal, and if there was to be friction you could usually tell right away. So I guess I really wouldn't mind if they should remove Duty Finder, even though its convenient for those who are short on time.

In any case, if a group runs in the encounter without one of their healers THEY are being punished, not her. They will most likely die without her help. One thing I have to say OP even though its been repeated ad nauseam throughout the thread; your girl needs to develop a thicker skin. Believe me when I say a lot worst can happen in an MMO.

This thread kind of came across as a little white knighty. And yeah, that's the actual definition... i.e. defending a lady's honor . These words get waaay too overused and abused on these forums.