STOP JOINING HM TITAN WITH CRAP GEAR!!!

Dfs are closw to impossoble doing titan because of the tank deadweight. It is much better to get 5dps2heals1tank in this set up, each player doesnt even need to be fully geared just atleast 3-4 DL gear (can be acce) and ifrit weapon.

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

There is no way you can kill Titan using the duty finder. It's simply not possible with 2 tanks and 2 healers.

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Got my titan kill in a party with three tanks (1 PLD 2 WAR) and 2 healers. If people know how to play (dodge and dps properly) DF group composition isn't a problem at all.

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Originally Posted by Kaalan

Got my titan kill in a party with three tanks (1 PLD 2 WAR) and 2 healers. If people know how to play (dodge and dps properly) DF group composition isn't a problem at all.

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Composition isn't the problem, it's people dying over and over for no reason. Sometimes healers would leave the tank's HP dangling at 3k for prolonged periods of time healing the DPS when Mountain Buster comes

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Originally Posted by Maplekoya

Composition isn't the problem, it's people dying over and over for no reason. Sometimes healers would leave the tank's HP dangling at 3k for prolonged periods of time healing the DPS when Mountain Buster comes

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While spaming medica II constantly to make the tank life more interesting.

The problem I have with Titan is there is no reason to run it more than once. Once you complete it, you don't have to ever go again. And with how frustrating the fight is - I probably will never go again. This leaves a lot of people without a group to do it, considering the fight is so damn laggy you get hit by stuff you clearly dodged.

I beat it several times with premade FC group. However before that I had zero luck in DF. It just doesn't seem DF friendly. Mainly because you pretty much have to memorize P3 abilities so you can pre move out of ripples. People need to pay attention to bomb pattens as well and that doesn't happen with randoms.

Somewhat annoying how you have to bother FC people every time you want to finish a relic to kill Titan.

Lol stop pugging that shit. First off you don't need 2 tanks for it and it is much easier with 3 healers or an extra DPS. What gives you the idea to even try to pug one of the tougher fights in game?

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I beat it several times with premade FC group. However before that I had zero luck in DF. It just doesn't seem DF friendly. Mainly because you pretty much have to memorize P3 abilities so you can pre move out of ripples. People need to pay attention to bomb pattens as well and that doesn't happen with randoms.

Somewhat annoying how you have to bother FC people every time you want to finish a relic to kill Titan.

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If you feel like you are bothering people in your FC to do content that should only be done via FC, I think it's time to find a new FC. We are constantly going back and doing low level dungeons and HM primals groups for everyone in our FC, thats kinda what they are for.

HM Titan should not even be in the DF. It is something that should be done via FC or premade group. The DF does not allow you to use one tank and 3 healers, which is almost necessary for a PuG group. If you PuG this and expect to clear it LOL.

It's a game, and like any game there is a logical course of progression. You don't start an RPG and instantly go to the highest level area, you'll die without proper preparation. This is no different, it isn't elitist - if you don't have the gear to stay alive, to do sufficient damage or to heal properly, than you can't do the content. In the case of DF, you can't expect complete strangers to be alright with carrying you.

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Originally Posted by Fenwick

It's a game, and like any game there is a logical course of progression. You don't start an RPG and instantly go to the highest level area, you'll die without proper preparation. This is no different, it isn't elitist - if you don't have the gear to stay alive, to do sufficient damage or to heal properly, than you can't do the content. In the case of DF, you can't expect complete strangers to be alright with carrying you.

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This post needs to be read. Quoting to emphasize.

If you can oneshot titan its actually really quick tomes for 9 minutes of your life

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

If you feel like you are bothering people in your FC to do content that should only be done via FC, I think it's time to find a new FC. We are constantly going back and doing low level dungeons and HM primals groups for everyone in our FC, thats kinda what they are for.

HM Titan should not even be in the DF. It is something that should be done via FC or premade group. The DF does not allow you to use one tank and 3 healers, which is almost necessary for a PuG group. If you PuG this and expect to clear it LOL.

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I have every job leveled from 1.0 wanted to get relics for them all, its a bother to ask new people in your FC who only have 1 job leveled to go back and kill titan countless times for all my relics I want to get for all my jobs. It might only take 10 min but still your bothering people when they could be doing other stuff.

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Originally Posted by NargaHuntress

And you'll be waiting for another hour to get in a group while I with my "crap gear" beat titan with other people who don't give 2 turds about a wipe. Only through strategy can you win. And it seems many do not learn that. Oh and good luck with duty finder.

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Im going to have to agree with Narga here, there are far to many elitists on the GAME that want everything NOW and if your not flawless it's everybody eases fault =p

Kick back and enjoy the ride people the games not even out of it's baby steps yet.

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Originally Posted by Tith

Im going to have to agree with Narga here, there are far to many elitists on the GAME that want everything NOW and if your not flawless it's everybody eases fault =p

Kick back and enjoy the ride people the games not even out of it's baby steps yet.

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That's not what the OP or other people are saying. They're saying that because of people with crap gear you can't beat HM Titan. I haven't had the experience but I'm starting to get the understanding that a lot of these are hard unless you have decent gear to help you hit certain thresholds.

The group as a whole whether it be everyone pulling their own weight or someone being carried has to be able to do things as a whole. If your group only has enough skill/gear to carry their own weight, 1 person thats not pulling their weight will lead to failure. If everyone does pull their own weight or that of others then you can beat HM Titan.

So it has nothing to do with being elitist or a dick, that's just how things work, whether it's in life or a video game. If not enough people pull their own weight or carry others on their back you will fail.

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Originally Posted by NargaHuntress

And you'll be waiting for another hour to get in a group while I with my "crap gear" beat titan with other people who don't give 2 turds about a wipe. Only through strategy can you win. And it seems many do not learn that. Oh and good luck with duty finder.

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Partially correct. You need strategy to win. You need to know what to avoid and how to survive certain parts of the fight. But you are missing an important point. Gear does matter. It matters a lot in this fight.
Simple fact: Tanks have a certain amount of HP and defensive ability they MUST HAVE to survive recurring large hits.
Simple fact: Healers MUST be able to put out a certain amount of HPS (Heals per second) to top tanks and the party up after big hits.
Simple fact: Your group's combined dps MUST be capable of killing Titan's heart in a certain amount of time or you fail.

For every person that doesn't meet the average requirement, so called "crap gear"... the requirement for every other person in your job role just increased to make up for the difference. The only exception to this is the tank, if the tank isn't geared sufficiently he just dies and you wipe and that's it. This is what people don't seem to get. "I beat it with my gear so you are too picky" ... No.... All that means is your over geared party members carried the portion you couldn't.

This isn't an attack against you personally Narga, I have no idea what your gear is. But that attitude of "well I did it in this gear so you expect too much" is not conclusive of anything.

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This is true in the sense that even people who have properly geared themselves will still need to know the strategy to win the fight. It's used too often though as an excuse, if you look closely Titan HM (which I assume is the focus of this thread) has gear requirements built into the actual fight.

It has unavoidable damage that will kill you if you don't have a certain amount of VIT, and if your healers don't have enough MND and Healing Potency to keep everyone alive (particularly in the later phase, when he starts to stomp the ground eight times).

If the DD can't kill Titan's Heart fast enough, the party will wipe - this once again requires sufficient gear.

If your tank doesn't have the equipment to survive Mountain Buster or hold threat, you're going to wipe.

This is just the way the game is built, you need to know the strategy but you also need to be prepared for the battle itself.

It isn't an insult, someone can be a good player and have bad gear. But being a good player alone isn't enough, you have to be able to survive the fight and be an asset to your team. I think what people need to stop doing is equating their gear to their self worth, it's alright if someone has bad gear, that can be fixed. It is delusional though if you think that all that is needed to beat a fight is some magical sense of willpower and determination.

What's you guys views on people making money off Titan. I saw a lot of peep selling Titan in Mor Dhona. Rumor is some of them got banned, but I am not too sure.

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Originally Posted by CompSci88

What's you guys views on people making money off Titan. I saw a lot of peep selling Titan in Mor Dhona. Rumor is some of them got banned, but I am not too sure.

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I don't really care what people do with their gil, short of selling it for RL currency.

I have crap gear. I went into HM Titan after beating Ifrit and Garuda as a healer, thinking ok I'll see what all the fuss is about. Instead of getting to see the experience I got hit with OMG stop joining HM Titan. I just stood there. They then proceeded to call me lazy. (Hit 50 on Sunday, work full time salary, have a daughter so time is limited to grind for gear, dang I'm lazy.) Noticed, that NOT 1 of the people had food buffs going, used POTs, or anything at all during the extremely tough Titan fight. So I ask, is it really the gear, or the people that don't realize that you need other items to help you succeed?

Guys i am full DL with my warrior and i take load of damage... and when the heart is explode, i take so much damage, better get a pala for MT him ?

I realy seem underpowered for MT with my warrior, even with my gear...

I need some advice how down him.

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Originally Posted by Harmonium

Guys i am full DL with my warrior and i take load of damage... and when the heart is explode, i take so much damage, better get a pala for MT him ?

I realy seem underpowered for MT with my warrior, even with my gear...

I need some advice how down him.

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He gets a new ability after the heart dies that only hits the tank and it hits him fucking hard, It's normal for you to take a lot of damage in this phase.

But I will say this PLD is a better tank for Titan because of this spike damage it only drops a geared PLD to around half health, it almost kills the WAR. You are underpowered.

For advice learn the rotation Titan uses and try to save what cooldowns you have for each buster he does(or yell at the healers to top you up before and after)

Yes i have keep my cd, i use some défensive stuff and the 15% evade...

And when i will take load damage i try up my HP with two beast thing i don't know how say the skill in English. But that heal me at nearly 2 K, and with the thing up my hp + 20%, i get like 1 K + Hp recover.

But even all of this, the healer need to heal me so much, and heal so much theirself because of his aoe...

Did that can pass if a pala tank him and i dps ? would be better i guess, i am little sad to see my class are underpowered at end game, i hope something will be done, because i don't play a warrior to be a dps or a offtank.

If i was a warrior with a job stuff only, ok this is my fault, but full ilvl 70, i am geared, all should be fine. In fact, this is wrong, i still take so much thing. :(

Sadly, Harmonium, Warriors are not the best tanks for Titan. Hopefully something about the fight changes so that you can have the standard 2 tank setup, and it could give something important for a possible Warrior off-tank to do that really contributes to the fight. It's not so much that your class is underpowered, but they fill a slightly different niche, a niche which the game really doesn't provide you very often end-game, which, paradoxically to my previous statement, means that you are technically underpowered, but only because they haven't tuned the content to include you.

:( So can i take a pala for mt titan and i dps the titan without defiance ? Maybe that can pass, or did i take 3 healer ? I realy want pass it... but yes i will sad to feel underpowered about big damage, or spike damage.

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Originally Posted by Xbob42

Sadly, Harmonium, Warriors are not the best tanks for Titan. Hopefully something about the fight changes so that you can have the standard 2 tank setup, and it could give something important for a possible Warrior off-tank to do that really contributes to the fight. It's not so much that your class is underpowered, but they fill a slightly different niche, a niche which the game really doesn't provide you very often end-game, which, paradoxically to my previous statement, means that you are technically underpowered, but only because they haven't tuned the content to include you.

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There is no use (or niche) for a WAR currently.

As off tanks we do less DPS. As main tanks we do slightly more but not enough to matter, and it doesn't make up for the massive disparity in durability. The only situation in which the Warrior really shines is situations where there are more than 3 adds to pick up and they are immune to sleep. In every other situation a PLD will be able to do a better job than a WAR. Main tanking and Off tanking. Though there is a case to be made that WAR has an advantage in 4 man content. But since 4 mans are trivial this is a pointless advantage.

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Originally Posted by Harmonium

:( So can i take a pala for mt titan and i dps the titan without defiance ? Maybe that can pass, or did i take 3 healer ? I realy want pass it... but yes i will sad to feel underpowered about big damage, or spike damage.

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Sorry man, we picked the wrong class. Titan is possible for a WAR to tank, but not only will it require more gear from you, but also more gear from the healers as well. Once they have their relic weapons, they should be able to keep you up without too much trouble.

The basic strategy is to save a cooldown for mountain buster (the 4500 damage hit) and then as soon as he does it, use Inner beast, and have your healers make sure you are ALWAYS at full health before mountain buster. He will do something like Rock Buster, Auto Attack, Auto Attack, Mountain Buster, Auto Attack. So after the mountain buster healers have to really dump some heals into you.

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

There is no use for a WAR currently.

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You are right but i am stuck, because no one need me :(

I need pass titan... i need tips for pass it with my warrior. :/

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Originally Posted by Harmonium

You are right but i am stuck, because no one need me :(

I need pass titan... i need tips for pass it with my warrior. :/

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As terrible as it sounds, it is still the best to just level up Pld now if you want to progress as a tank.
Given the chance that you passed Titan on War, you simply won't be able to squeeze by Caduceus when it two shots you.

I will not play paladin, i play a war sorry. Ok i will try something, thanks guys i will try !

If I remember correctly don't you have to beat Titan HM in the class you want your relic for?

I'm also having trouble tanking him as warrior. Undergeared Paladins in AK armor do better then me in Almost full darklight. They have problems maintaining agro but they have better survivability than me. =/

Yes i have see that, i am so sad to see this ! A pala with AK armor are so far better than me with FULL DL.

I am so sad, i lost hope everyday i play my warrior... I realy need pass titan...

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That is their niche that I was talking about. AOE tanking. The reason I said the devs haven't filled this niche for Warriors is because AOE tanking is almost never required. We need more instances where there's 5-10 enemies where a Paladin would have trouble holding them all but a Warrior would shine like a beacon of light. There's nothing wrong with being the AOE tank so long as you actually have something to tank, but SE has neglected this and made all Warriors feel terrible about the class they picked, which sucks. I know how that goes, I was a Paladin in WoW 1.0, we were literally only there to cleanse and out-of-combat res people. It felt awful. Hopefully, like in that game, SE will make Warriors great in this one, be it by changing how they tank or changing what is required for dungeons.

I do agree with the OP that your gear should be checked before going into HM Titan and Beyond. That fight is no joke and no one wants to be wasting runs just to build up their repair bill. Entering with horrible gear is only asking for trouble.

That being said, its on a case by case basis. I was in a group that beat Titan while I was wearing 2 storm sergeant accessories, the wizard coat and pants....the rest were AK greens and DL items. Now let the flames and shooting begin as I have probably just started trouble.

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Originally Posted by Xbob42

There's nothing wrong with being the AOE tank so long as you actually have something to tank, but SE has neglected this and made all Warriors feel terrible about the class they picked, which sucks.

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I know you're on my side so to speak, but that's not a very good niche, to be quite honest. It would make every encounter literally the same in order for a WAR to be useful. You will have WAR required on maybe 1-2 fights per tier of content, and 1-2 PLD required on every fight.

PLD Niche = High damage off tank and Main Tank.
WAR Niche = Overpower spam on bosses that have more than 3 adds which must be tanked and are immune to sleep.

For one thing, I rolled my WAR to do more than spam overpower. For two it would severely limit what they could do (i.e. such design would be impossible on Turn 1 and 5).

You hear PLD's complaining all the time about being interrupt bots on Ifrit. Well, running around spamming the same skill all fight is boring. If that's all WAR did that would be akin to if PLD's couldn't tank half as well and they were only useful for interrupts. PLD's would be rioting, yet they would still be in a better position than WAR are in now because at least there's one encounter where interrupting matters, and at least their damage while off tanking is better than a WAR's.

Perhaps I just need to vent, but if WAR niche is going to be AOE tanking we need more than just Overpower (and Flash, and maybe steel cyclone... ugh) to do it. No matter what, WAR needs a bit of a re-work.

Do you think we will get a update soon or something ? Because i still stuck on titan, every group don't want me.

Looking for a tank, hey i am warrior, no thanks sorry.

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Feel my pain guys...

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Originally Posted by Harmonium

Do you think we will get a update soon or something ? Because i still stuck on titan, every group don't want me.

Looking for a tank, hey i am warrior, no thanks sorry.

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Feel my pain guys...

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My fc has done it with a warrior several times.....got a lot of trigger happy dps out there though in pugs that can't handle waiting more than 5secs to start dpsing.

u can kill it with a war , is harder? yes no doubt , after hearth is broken the chance of warrior dying is higher than if pld was tanking.

my advice : go as DPS , or go with 3 healers (2whm 1 sch) no other options if u are a warrior.

I go as dps, but the party after the heart seem realy chaotic... bomb everywhere, aoe on the ground everywhere, everyone die everytime...

i need Watch some movie.

Op is correct and I would like to point out he says any combination of darklight and AK gear, which is perfectly reasonable (hes not saying full DL)

Tank maybe... but yeah... people who do the 'Gear > Skill' really make me shake my head.

The biggest effect on your out put is Weapon. As a healer testing Mnd, I found that 20 Mnd gave me ~30 healing more on my ability. 30 isnt MUCH at all. Given the gear difference (lets say af -> Darklight) you might see that ~20 stat difference, if that. It has some effect but the effect is minimal.

Rather then complain about Crap gear, why not complain about Crap SKILL? Skill you will find does far more to dps/healing then anything else. As far as tanks go... yes... unfortunately gear DOES play a larger roll for them.

Guess who went into Titan HM with NO experience, wearing AK stuff and Garuda weapon and got bitched out for joining on gear, then SOLO HEALED half the fight and had to spam rez the 'geared' healer WHM? Yeah... the person who never did titan HM and who wasnt' 'geared' enough.

The reason we say you need XX gear for titan isnt the DPS output or healing output, its more due to the HP that is needed to survive in the fight, and the lower geared you are the longer it is and the more HP you need.

Many people are not perfect in their dodges, and if stomps get to many you just can not take the damage (even with 3 healers) if your not geared well enough. I did the mostly AK and few DL and lag killed me way to much, doing mostly DL and some AK allowed me to survive if i messed up once and had been healed, and this slight bit of forgiveness is that is needed to win this without a set group (or just getting lucky on that wahtever number try the group kills it on). So do yourself, and your group, a favor and get the gear and then do titan. I know you want your relic, but if your not FULL DL, there is nothign for you after titan that needs that relic, so get the gear then do titan.